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06-23-2009, 10:36 PM

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Inner_Eulogy needs to learn how to multi-quote(hint: ctrl c +ctrl v)

Rivek needs to quit trolling in 10,000 days.

Kody needs to shut the fuck up
Two out of three ain't bad.

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Inner_Eulogy needs to learn how to multi-quote(hint: ctrl c +ctrl v)

Rivek needs to quit trolling in 10,000 days.

Kody needs to shut the fuck up
Two out of three ain't bad.

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Two out of three ain't bad.

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How's MI Marcus? I'll be in upper MI for the 4th.
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Two out of three ain't bad.

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How's MI Marcus? I'll be in upper MI for the 4th.
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I'm sorry you can't comprehend the difference between trolling and posting disagreement with no motivation to be nice about it?
you can't either. what's the big deal?
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I'm sorry you can't comprehend the difference between trolling and posting disagreement with no motivation to be nice about it?
you can't either. what's the big deal?
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06-24-2009, 09:34 AM

i've a theory that the popularity of aenima is largely down to the fact that most of us listened to it in our formative years, it has that emotional attachment that also decides our musical preferences for a while, on a base level. Bring on the hole poking...in the theory...and, ok, my anus
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i've a theory that the popularity of aenima is largely down to the fact that most of us listened to it in our formative years, it has that emotional attachment that also decides our musical preferences for a while, on a base level. Bring on the hole poking...in the theory...and, ok, my anus
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06-24-2009, 10:02 AM

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I'm sorry you can't comprehend the difference between trolling and posting disagreement with no motivation to be nice about it?
Hint: don't get uppity to the person who moderates the forum you're posting in.
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06-24-2009, 10:29 AM

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Hmm, following me into unrelated threads in an attempt to get a rise out of me? Yes, you are definitely attempting to troll.
unrelated to what?

10,000 days is great. i had something to say about what you had to say in the thread. i used my past experience trying to talk to you as a frame of reference. based on that, you definitely do not understand the difference.

you seem paranoid.
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Hmm, following me into unrelated threads in an attempt to get a rise out of me? Yes, you are definitely attempting to troll.
unrelated to what?

10,000 days is great. i had something to say about what you had to say in the thread. i used my past experience trying to talk to you as a frame of reference. based on that, you definitely do not understand the difference.

you seem paranoid.
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06-24-2009, 10:42 AM

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How's MI Marcus? I'll be in upper MI for the 4th.
It's hot right now, but I live in the lower part of MI.




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How's MI Marcus? I'll be in upper MI for the 4th.
It's hot right now, but I live in the lower part of MI.




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Yay for paper-thin rationalizations for blatant trolling.
blatant? the fun i'm having with you is merely incidental. it started with your paper-thin attempt to "troll" what i had to add to the parabola/reflection thread. if you're trying to imply i don't belong here at TDN, or should "leave", or should "not chime in on anything you have to say", fly yourself a kite!
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Yay for paper-thin rationalizations for blatant trolling.
blatant? the fun i'm having with you is merely incidental. it started with your paper-thin attempt to "troll" what i had to add to the parabola/reflection thread. if you're trying to imply i don't belong here at TDN, or should "leave", or should "not chime in on anything you have to say", fly yourself a kite!
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It's hot right now, but I live in the lower part of MI.
Cool, not looking forward to the 6hr drive, that's for sure




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Haha, sounds about right
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It's hot right now, but I live in the lower part of MI.
Cool, not looking forward to the 6hr drive, that's for sure




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good job on the copy and pasting, man.
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06-24-2009, 12:56 PM

I like eating Frosted Flakes while listening to 10,000 Days.



IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITS GRRREAT!
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I like eating Frosted Flakes while listening to 10,000 Days.



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I like eating Frosted Flakes while listening to 10,000 Days.



IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITS GRRREAT!
Noiice. Nutra-tainment.

Aurally splendicious.
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IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITS GRRREAT!
Noiice. Nutra-tainment.

Aurally splendicious.
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06-24-2009, 01:30 PM

hey, it also goes well w/ BBQ and beer. not bad.
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hey, it also goes well w/ BBQ and beer. not bad.
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good job on the copy and pasting, man.
Uhhh....I made that smiley on my own
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good job on the copy and pasting, man.
Uhhh....I made that smiley on my own
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I like eating Frosted Flakes while listening to 10,000 Days.



IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITS GRRREAT!
Hey, did you make it to Lateralus' last show in West Dundee?
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I like eating Frosted Flakes while listening to 10,000 Days.



IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITS GRRREAT!
Hey, did you make it to Lateralus' last show in West Dundee?
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Uhhh....I made that smiley on my own
uhh, yea, i'm an idiot. what i meant to say in retrospect is;

excellent creativity, bro...i'm still trying to conquer the copy and paste scene :)
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Uhhh....I made that smiley on my own
uhh, yea, i'm an idiot. what i meant to say in retrospect is;

excellent creativity, bro...i'm still trying to conquer the copy and paste scene :)
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Yes, I'm aware of what trolling is. I'm also aware of what my motivations in posting the things I post are. Furthermore, I am aware that the two are entirely different concepts, whether you are or not.
I could give two shits and a fuck what your motivation for trolling is. Turning a decent thread from a new user into a cluster fuck between you and kody is still trolling.

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Geez ok. Well it was good to get some differing interpretations regarding the album, but it's just sad how the thread ended up at this. I think i'll give up on this whole forum thing for a while. peace.
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And nothing of value was lost.
What was your motivation here? besides acting like an asshole
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Yes, I'm aware of what trolling is. I'm also aware of what my motivations in posting the things I post are. Furthermore, I am aware that the two are entirely different concepts, whether you are or not.
I could give two shits and a fuck what your motivation for trolling is. Turning a decent thread from a new user into a cluster fuck between you and kody is still trolling.

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Geez ok. Well it was good to get some differing interpretations regarding the album, but it's just sad how the thread ended up at this. I think i'll give up on this whole forum thing for a while. peace.
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And nothing of value was lost.
What was your motivation here? besides acting like an asshole
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06-26-2009, 06:03 AM

I like pizza!
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I like pizza!
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I like pizza!
Is it greater then 10,000 days?
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Is it greater then 10,000 days?
i don't know, pizza seems to go right through ya, whilst--love it or hate it--10,000 days sticks with you for a bit. for my money, i'm sticking w/ 10K.
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Is it greater then 10,000 days?
i don't know, pizza seems to go right through ya, whilst--love it or hate it--10,000 days sticks with you for a bit. for my money, i'm sticking w/ 10K.
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06-26-2009, 09:17 AM

Yeah well, you guys haven't had Chicago-style deep dish pizza
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Yeah well, you guys haven't had Chicago-style deep dish pizza
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I think italian style pizzas are best
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Celestinos Pizza in Chico California is the shit.
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Celestinos Pizza in Chico California is the shit.
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I was confused by that at first too, when all of a sudden it looked like you were chilling in a thread about the military talking about how your tour was a good thing, which made me think "wtf?" and then check the actual username.

He didn't just rip it off, he mirrored it along the x-axis, but it's still similar enough to be fucking annoying.
lol, I concur
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I was confused by that at first too, when all of a sudden it looked like you were chilling in a thread about the military talking about how your tour was a good thing, which made me think "wtf?" and then check the actual username.

He didn't just rip it off, he mirrored it along the x-axis, but it's still similar enough to be fucking annoying.
lol, I concur
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Uh, what's with stealin my avi dude?
well i was making a new avatar and after some failed attempts of Maynard's picture i thought i would make a small modification to some person's avatar and if someone detects it.

i guess i have too much free time
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well i was making a new avatar and after some failed attempts of Maynard's picture i thought i would make a small modification to some person's avatar and if someone detects it.

i guess i have too much free time
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Hey, did you make it to Lateralus' last show in West Dundee?
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It's been detected since day one. It's just not important enough to merit mass commenting.
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http://drownedinsound.com/in_depth/1321251


Most interesting bits from Danny:

That was an awesome interview.



*edit* holy shit i didnt realize that was 4 pages ago.. lol.

Still, kick ass article.
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*edit* holy shit i didnt realize that was 4 pages ago.. lol.

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07-28-2009, 10:05 PM

I you're a trained musician, then you already know what I'm about to say. 10,000 Days is an absolutely astounding piece of work. The musicianship is way, way ahead of the curve. The album is actually more technically complex than Lateralus as a whole, and I believe it's just as emotional. The band wanted to challenge themselves and the listeners (us) by writing more intricate compositions, and they have done that with 10,000 Days. As Maynard said about their music in an interview, there is a lot of light at the end of the tunnel, but you have to fight your way through the muck to get there. That is especially true with the 10,000 Days album. The songs require much more patience and much more of a musician's ear to appreciate than any of the previous albums. It is much more difficult to get through these songs and find that light at the end of the tunnel, but I believe it makes the reward that much greater. Unfortunately, most people are impatient and are incapable of appreciating real musical depth- that's the bottom line when it comes to all the criticism. After 3 years now of literally studying these songs and all of their musical elements, I believe 10,000 Days is the greatest Tool album to date. I believe it blows Opiate and Undertow out of the water, it destroys Aenima, and it just barely tops Lateralus.
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I you're a trained musician, then you already know what I'm about to say. 10,000 Days is an absolutely astounding piece of work. The musicianship is way, way ahead of the curve. The album is actually more technically complex than Lateralus as a whole, and I believe it's just as emotional. The band wanted to challenge themselves and the listeners (us) by writing more intricate compositions, and they have done that with 10,000 Days. As Maynard said about their music in an interview, there is a lot of light at the end of the tunnel, but you have to fight your way through the muck to get there. That is especially true with the 10,000 Days album. The songs require much more patience and much more of a musician's ear to appreciate than any of the previous albums. It is much more difficult to get through these songs and find that light at the end of the tunnel, but I believe it makes the reward that much greater. Unfortunately, most people are impatient and are incapable of appreciating real musical depth- that's the bottom line when it comes to all the criticism. After 3 years now of literally studying these songs and all of their musical elements, I believe 10,000 Days is the greatest Tool album to date. I believe it blows Opiate and Undertow out of the water, it destroys Aenima, and it just barely tops Lateralus.
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Whoa, I just mean whoa. I am with you that 10,000 Days is their best album, but destroying Ænima? That's over the top.
I like Aenima obviously more than albums from any other band, but it never struck as much of a chord with me. Lateralus and 10,000 Days, to me, are the 2 greatest musical works of art in the modern era. I think the writing on Lateralus and 10,000 Days is much more sophisticated than that of Aenima.
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Whoa, I just mean whoa. I am with you that 10,000 Days is their best album, but destroying Ænima? That's over the top.
I like Aenima obviously more than albums from any other band, but it never struck as much of a chord with me. Lateralus and 10,000 Days, to me, are the 2 greatest musical works of art in the modern era. I think the writing on Lateralus and 10,000 Days is much more sophisticated than that of Aenima.
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I you're a trained musician, then you already know what I'm about to say. 10,000 Days is an absolutely astounding piece of work. The musicianship is way, way ahead of the curve. The album is actually more technically complex than Lateralus as a whole, and I believe it's just as emotional. The band wanted to challenge themselves and the listeners (us) by writing more intricate compositions, and they have done that with 10,000 Days. As Maynard said about their music in an interview, there is a lot of light at the end of the tunnel, but you have to fight your way through the muck to get there. That is especially true with the 10,000 Days album. The songs require much more patience and much more of a musician's ear to appreciate than any of the previous albums. It is much more difficult to get through these songs and find that light at the end of the tunnel, but I believe it makes the reward that much greater. Unfortunately, most people are impatient and are incapable of appreciating real musical depth- that's the bottom line when it comes to all the criticism. After 3 years now of literally studying these songs and all of their musical elements, I believe 10,000 Days is the greatest Tool album to date. I believe it blows Opiate and Undertow out of the water, it destroys Aenima, and it just barely tops Lateralus.

Wow, yet another person saying the same thing about 10,000 days. One thing that interests me is the fact that practically everyone saying this album is far superior musically to the other albums is a "trained musician" lol mmm hmmm. It just must be the greatest masterpiece of all time. It requires a "musicians ear". I could say something like... You would give someone a piece of shit & say "it doesn't smell bad, just requires a supperior sense of smell". I don't hate the album, i just don't think it's a great album, "trained musician" or not.
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I you're a trained musician, then you already know what I'm about to say. 10,000 Days is an absolutely astounding piece of work. The musicianship is way, way ahead of the curve. The album is actually more technically complex than Lateralus as a whole, and I believe it's just as emotional. The band wanted to challenge themselves and the listeners (us) by writing more intricate compositions, and they have done that with 10,000 Days. As Maynard said about their music in an interview, there is a lot of light at the end of the tunnel, but you have to fight your way through the muck to get there. That is especially true with the 10,000 Days album. The songs require much more patience and much more of a musician's ear to appreciate than any of the previous albums. It is much more difficult to get through these songs and find that light at the end of the tunnel, but I believe it makes the reward that much greater. Unfortunately, most people are impatient and are incapable of appreciating real musical depth- that's the bottom line when it comes to all the criticism. After 3 years now of literally studying these songs and all of their musical elements, I believe 10,000 Days is the greatest Tool album to date. I believe it blows Opiate and Undertow out of the water, it destroys Aenima, and it just barely tops Lateralus.

Wow, yet another person saying the same thing about 10,000 days. One thing that interests me is the fact that practically everyone saying this album is far superior musically to the other albums is a "trained musician" lol mmm hmmm. It just must be the greatest masterpiece of all time. It requires a "musicians ear". I could say something like... You would give someone a piece of shit & say "it doesn't smell bad, just requires a supperior sense of smell". I don't hate the album, i just don't think it's a great album, "trained musician" or not.
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Wow, yet another person saying the same thing about 10,000 days. One thing that interests me is the fact that practically everyone saying this album is far superior musically to the other albums is a "trained musician" lol mmm hmmm. It just must be the greatest masterpiece of all time. It requires a "musicians ear". I could say something like... You would give someone a piece of shit & say "it doesn't smell bad, just requires a supperior sense of smell". I don't hate the album, i just don't think it's a great album, "trained musician" or not.
Unlike a "piece of shit," music is a very multifaceted art form, and complex music takes sincere studying to understand. Also unlike a "piece of shit," music has intelligent design behind it, and the more intelligent that design is, the harder it is to identify with for the average person. People like yourself don't realize that 10,000 Days was written for musicians. The rhythmic structures, the chord structures, the melody progression and integration...they're all very meticulously patterned by Tool. They are a challenge for the band, and they are very clearly a challenge for the listeners- a challenge to educate themselves on the musical elements, to study them, and to begin to incorporate that intelligence into their own music and art. Some people are up to that challenge, and some are not. My point is that the music on this album is so highly developed that it's difficult to truly appreciate and understand unless you have actually studied music. It's the direction that Tool is evolving. They aren't angry, anti-establishment radicals anymore, and they haven't been since around 1994. Forget about Undertow and Opiate. That Tool is long long gone. It is very obvious to me that they are interested in expressing musical sophistication, complexity, and deeper emotional exploration now...not anger and rebellion. If you can't accept that, then I suggest you find another band.
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Wow, yet another person saying the same thing about 10,000 days. One thing that interests me is the fact that practically everyone saying this album is far superior musically to the other albums is a "trained musician" lol mmm hmmm. It just must be the greatest masterpiece of all time. It requires a "musicians ear". I could say something like... You would give someone a piece of shit & say "it doesn't smell bad, just requires a supperior sense of smell". I don't hate the album, i just don't think it's a great album, "trained musician" or not.
Unlike a "piece of shit," music is a very multifaceted art form, and complex music takes sincere studying to understand. Also unlike a "piece of shit," music has intelligent design behind it, and the more intelligent that design is, the harder it is to identify with for the average person. People like yourself don't realize that 10,000 Days was written for musicians. The rhythmic structures, the chord structures, the melody progression and integration...they're all very meticulously patterned by Tool. They are a challenge for the band, and they are very clearly a challenge for the listeners- a challenge to educate themselves on the musical elements, to study them, and to begin to incorporate that intelligence into their own music and art. Some people are up to that challenge, and some are not. My point is that the music on this album is so highly developed that it's difficult to truly appreciate and understand unless you have actually studied music. It's the direction that Tool is evolving. They aren't angry, anti-establishment radicals anymore, and they haven't been since around 1994. Forget about Undertow and Opiate. That Tool is long long gone. It is very obvious to me that they are interested in expressing musical sophistication, complexity, and deeper emotional exploration now...not anger and rebellion. If you can't accept that, then I suggest you find another band.
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You're kidding, right? How can you believe Tool is good, and then say that? Do you have any idea what Tool's music really entails, or do you just like them because they're heavy? I'm guessing it's the latter.

EDIT: Or are you saying that because you know he composed incredible music, but you think our MTV-minded society would spit in his face? If this is the case, then I agree with you completely, and I'm sorry for being harsh.

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If mozart came around today, people would probably just spit in his face
You're kidding, right? How can you believe Tool is good, and then say that? Do you have any idea what Tool's music really entails, or do you just like them because they're heavy? I'm guessing it's the latter.

EDIT: Or are you saying that because you know he composed incredible music, but you think our MTV-minded society would spit in his face? If this is the case, then I agree with you completely, and I'm sorry for being harsh.

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Unlike a "piece of shit," music is a very multifaceted art form, and complex music takes sincere studying to understand. Also unlike a "piece of shit," music has intelligent design behind it, and the more intelligent that design is, the harder it is to identify with for the average person. People like yourself don't realize that 10,000 Days was written for musicians. The rhythmic structures, the chord structures, the melody progression and integration...they're all very meticulously patterned by Tool. They are a challenge for the band, and they are very clearly a challenge for the listeners- a challenge to educate themselves on the musical elements, to study them, and to begin to incorporate that intelligence into their own music and art. Some people are up to that challenge, and some are not. My point is that the music on this album is so highly developed that it's difficult to truly appreciate and understand unless you have actually studied music. It's the direction that Tool is evolving. They aren't angry, anti-establishment radicals anymore, and they haven't been since around 1994. Forget about Undertow and Opiate. That Tool is long long gone. It is very obvious to me that they are interested in expressing musical sophistication, complexity, and deeper emotional exploration now...not anger and rebellion. If you can't accept that, then I suggest you find another band.

I believe they were exploring "deeper emotional exploration" on Lateralus than they do on 10'000 days & i happen to love Lateralus. To basically say someone doesn't understand the album because you don't believe they understand music is obnoxious and wholly untrue. I don't think 10,000 days is as "challenging" as you make it out to be. I'm not going to say i'm a master composer like you all seem to be, but i do play electric guitar & have a fair idea how unchallenging this music actually is. ANyway i'll quit bashing the album now.
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Unlike a "piece of shit," music is a very multifaceted art form, and complex music takes sincere studying to understand. Also unlike a "piece of shit," music has intelligent design behind it, and the more intelligent that design is, the harder it is to identify with for the average person. People like yourself don't realize that 10,000 Days was written for musicians. The rhythmic structures, the chord structures, the melody progression and integration...they're all very meticulously patterned by Tool. They are a challenge for the band, and they are very clearly a challenge for the listeners- a challenge to educate themselves on the musical elements, to study them, and to begin to incorporate that intelligence into their own music and art. Some people are up to that challenge, and some are not. My point is that the music on this album is so highly developed that it's difficult to truly appreciate and understand unless you have actually studied music. It's the direction that Tool is evolving. They aren't angry, anti-establishment radicals anymore, and they haven't been since around 1994. Forget about Undertow and Opiate. That Tool is long long gone. It is very obvious to me that they are interested in expressing musical sophistication, complexity, and deeper emotional exploration now...not anger and rebellion. If you can't accept that, then I suggest you find another band.

I believe they were exploring "deeper emotional exploration" on Lateralus than they do on 10'000 days & i happen to love Lateralus. To basically say someone doesn't understand the album because you don't believe they understand music is obnoxious and wholly untrue. I don't think 10,000 days is as "challenging" as you make it out to be. I'm not going to say i'm a master composer like you all seem to be, but i do play electric guitar & have a fair idea how unchallenging this music actually is. ANyway i'll quit bashing the album now.
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Unlike a "piece of shit," music is a very multifaceted art form, and complex music takes sincere studying to understand. Also unlike a "piece of shit," music has intelligent design behind it, and the more intelligent that design is, the harder it is to identify with for the average person. People like yourself don't realize that 10,000 Days was written for musicians. The rhythmic structures, the chord structures, the melody progression and integration...they're all very meticulously patterned by Tool. They are a challenge for the band, and they are very clearly a challenge for the listeners- a challenge to educate themselves on the musical elements, to study them, and to begin to incorporate that intelligence into their own music and art. Some people are up to that challenge, and some are not. My point is that the music on this album is so highly developed that it's difficult to truly appreciate and understand unless you have actually studied music. It's the direction that Tool is evolving. They aren't angry, anti-establishment radicals anymore, and they haven't been since around 1994. Forget about Undertow and Opiate. That Tool is long long gone. It is very obvious to me that they are interested in expressing musical sophistication, complexity, and deeper emotional exploration now...not anger and rebellion. If you can't accept that, then I suggest you find another band.
"musicians" and "average people".

Good one.

Oh and last time i read Keenan said something about going for the more earlier and straightforward touch. I remember it was in Revolver but i cant quite remember. Though one should not trust these interviews.
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Unlike a "piece of shit," music is a very multifaceted art form, and complex music takes sincere studying to understand. Also unlike a "piece of shit," music has intelligent design behind it, and the more intelligent that design is, the harder it is to identify with for the average person. People like yourself don't realize that 10,000 Days was written for musicians. The rhythmic structures, the chord structures, the melody progression and integration...they're all very meticulously patterned by Tool. They are a challenge for the band, and they are very clearly a challenge for the listeners- a challenge to educate themselves on the musical elements, to study them, and to begin to incorporate that intelligence into their own music and art. Some people are up to that challenge, and some are not. My point is that the music on this album is so highly developed that it's difficult to truly appreciate and understand unless you have actually studied music. It's the direction that Tool is evolving. They aren't angry, anti-establishment radicals anymore, and they haven't been since around 1994. Forget about Undertow and Opiate. That Tool is long long gone. It is very obvious to me that they are interested in expressing musical sophistication, complexity, and deeper emotional exploration now...not anger and rebellion. If you can't accept that, then I suggest you find another band.
"musicians" and "average people".

Good one.

Oh and last time i read Keenan said something about going for the more earlier and straightforward touch. I remember it was in Revolver but i cant quite remember. Though one should not trust these interviews.
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