Mars Volta wins when it comes to touring though. I've seen TMV twice, and never seen Tool. I've seen Maynard twice with APC and Danny with PLC though, so thats like... half of Tool I've seen.
Dude, if I had the money, I would honestly buy a Civic hybrid right now. Gas money is like one third of my mother f*cking paycheck.
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I actually wanted to express my dismay but I didnt figure swearing was necessary. I settled somewhere in between.
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Werd, if I were a store, I'd be emofags-r-us. You could buy your eyeliner and douchebag beliefs all in one aisle.
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The Mars Volta are an amazing band and I hardly think Maynard "hates" anyone.. maybe in his earlier years he did, but if his music is anything to do with the accordance of his life then I'd assume he loves everyone and everything on the planet.
If for some reason Maynard did in fact hate The Mars Volta I'm sure he woulda pulled some strings to get them removed from the APC tour.. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for him to do.
The Mars Volta are an amazing band and I hardly think Maynard "hates" anyone.. maybe in his earlier years he did, but if his music is anything to do with the accordance of his life then I'd assume he loves everyone and everything on the planet.
If for some reason Maynard did in fact hate The Mars Volta I'm sure he woulda pulled some strings to get them removed from the APC tour.. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for him to do.
You're right. Because being the singer of a band makes you dictator of the hundreds of people involved in a tour.
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I heard TMV live, and then tried to kill myself. It sounded like peter frampton meets one big pile of flaming shit. They ruined the entire experience, I went to see APC, not some flaming ******s.
MrMcPheezy is right.... compositionally TMV sucks. They may get by in the "prog" world on flashiness and over-playing, but that doesn't mean they know jack about real music. Simply getting airplay and fans doesn't make you talented... it makes you popular. Huge difference. Beethoven could eat TMV alive when it comes to music, but you don't see Beethoven with swarms of fans and huge airplay, do you? Yea, I know he's dead... but so is Kurt Cobain and I guarantee that more young music listeners love him.
MrMcPheezy is right.... compositionally TMV sucks. They may get by in the "prog" world on flashiness and over-playing, but that doesn't mean they know jack about real music. Simply getting airplay and fans doesn't make you talented... it makes you popular. Huge difference. Beethoven could eat TMV alive when it comes to music, but you don't see Beethoven with swarms of fans and huge airplay, do you? Yea, I know he's dead... but so is Kurt Cobain and I guarantee that more young music listeners love him.
MrMcPheezy is right.... compositionally TMV sucks. They may get by in the "prog" world on flashiness and over-playing, but that doesn't mean they know jack about real music. Simply getting airplay and fans doesn't make you talented... it makes you popular. Huge difference. Beethoven could eat TMV alive when it comes to music, but you don't see Beethoven with swarms of fans and huge airplay, do you? Yea, I know he's dead... but so is Kurt Cobain and I guarantee that more young music listeners love him.
I don't play instruments or know stuff about time signatures or measure or whatever the fuck else.. but TMV is not compositionally weak. How the hell can you even compare Beethoven and TMV? I seriously have no fucking idea why anyone would make a comparison like that. I don't even know what point you're trying to establish with that last line either.
Beethoven played classical music through long elaborate symphonies. Music today can be long and elaborate (ie. Cassandra Gemini by TMV), but that doesn't mean that what Beethoven does is the same thing and can be compared to what musicians do today. Why the fuck would you ever even think that Beethoven would have tons of airplay today? He's been dead for fucking ever.. and played way back in the day. Modern radiostations and television doesn't play him because when was his fucking music made? Not recently.
I wish I could make my point more clear.. but that's the best I can do.
My point was not that Beethoven should get airplay... my point is that popularity and such do not prove a band's talent. As you said, "I don't play instruments or know stuff about time signatures or measure or whatever the fuck else...", so you obviously can make no comment about how compositionally talented they are. Just because their songs are long and complex on the surface does not mean that they are well composed. There are amazingly long books that are absolute shit. There are huge pieces of visual art that are horrible. There are terrible long movies.
I digress... the point is that, as a professional composer, I know what I'm talking about, and any other studied musician can tell you: the mars volta cannot compose. When I listen to music, it's hard to look over glaring errors, same way you would probably hate reading [/i]See Spot Run[/i] books in your spare time.
Anyway, you may find TMV entertaining, and by all means go ahead, but that does not make it art.
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I like what my ear likes, and i like tmv and tool. I think my ear has good taste
tmv could do without some useless fillers that seem to wruin songs like the widdow and L'via l'viaque, but hey, thats what the skip button is for. at least about 6 minutes of the 12 are good!
i know that this has nothing to do with what you guys are talking about, but, smallwanged man, 3433 posts dude! lvl 11! how? dont you get bored?
3433 is nothing. There have been those who have come before me with multiples of 3433 posts, and there will still be more to come. (Keep in mind 3433 is from steady posting over the course of more than 2 and a half years...my post average is less than 4 per day.)
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I like what my ear likes, and i like tmv and tool. I think my ear has good taste
tmv could do without some useless fillers that seem to wruin songs like the widdow and L'via l'viaque, but hey, thats what the skip button is for. at least about 6 minutes of the 12 are good!
Agreed on all counts.
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Anyway, you may find TMV entertaining, and by all means go ahead, but that does not make it art.
Wow. Who are you to judge what is and isn't art? Art can be everything.. don't get me started on that can of worms. Fuck dude, stop being so retarded. Your post was decent before you wrote this heap-of-shit for a comment.
I digress... the point is that, as a professional composer, I know what I'm talking about,
When I listen to music, it's hard to look over glaring errors
well tell me, professional composer, what makes an error in music? taste in music is personal, an error to you may be sonically amazing to me. i don't give a fuck about music theory or whatever. i like what sounds good to me, as most people do. the mars volta sound good to me, and to me are very talented at what they do. to you they're not. there is no error in that.
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Again I will interate: Whatever brings you emotion and knowledge or whatever you look for in music is what you should listen to. For those of you who like TMV, listen to it. Please. Don't listen to some guy on the internet about what you should and shouldn't like.
My only point was that when I listen to TMV, I get the same feeling that an English teacher might get when reading the sentence "me go to store and buys book." That sentence goes against most rules of english grammar, right? And I know that you have to "push the envelope" and break rules every now and then in art, but there's such a thing as tasteful discretion, and, in my opinion, TMV does not have it. You gotta know the rules to break them, and when I listen to their music I do not hear a knowledge of composition, or as my earlier analogy put it, grammar.
I love Tool because I can hear that tasteful discretion: they have a huge background of musical knowledge to bend and shape to their will and they do so beautifully.
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You do realize, their ignoring traditional scales and progressions is completely intentional. Kind of like free jazz.
Also, rock and pop music is about much more than composition. It's certainly a factor in it, but anyway you cut it, we don't listen to the bands we do, any of us, primarily for composition. If we did, well, we wouldn't be listenting to rock/pop music at all.
And Tool's theory is not that advanced, even for rock.
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You do realize, their ignoring traditional scales and progressions is completely intentional. Kind of like free jazz.
It's really all opinion, but you seem to have ignored this bit here from dracomordag: "there's such a thing as tasteful discretion, and, in my opinion, TMV does not have it."
Is he the authority on all things musical? No, certainly not, and I doubt he wants to try and seem as such. He is just saying that, based on his background and knowledge, he believes the mars volta are not good composers. He backed this up with "they ignore traditional rules of composition", to which you replied "they do that on puprose." Now, maybe I'm just crazy, but I think that doesn't really refute his point.
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Also, rock and pop music is about much more than composition. It's certainly a factor in it, but anyway you cut it, we don't listen to the bands we do, any of us, primarily for composition. If we did, well, we wouldn't be listenting to rock/pop music at all.
That's irrelevant to the argument, which is currently judging the quality of the band's music objectively, using composition.
I don't mean to be a dick and fuel arguments I have no real part in, but bad logic makes me sad inside.
While he's welcome to like and dislike whatever he chooses for whatever reason he chooses, he implied that TMV is a bad band because they have poor composition. If we could judge rock bands on that, Nirvana would be among the worst of the last 20 years, and Tool would certainly not be near the top. Of course, we can make judgements like that all day long, but what is the point? I could pick up Bach's complete works and critique the whole thing as shit because there's no energy, songsmanship or production and I would be right, but it certainly doesn't make the music shit.
You're right about the first part though, I misread. SORRIES LOL.
Why the fuck am I defending the mars volta?
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If we could judge rock bands on that, Nirvana would be among the worst of the last 20 years, and Tool would certainly not be near the top.
And I believe that Nirvana is one of the worst bands of the last 20 years, so you're just fueling my point...
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Also, rock and pop music is about much more than composition. It's certainly a factor in it, but anyway you cut it, we don't listen to the bands we do, any of us, primarily for composition. If we did, well, we wouldn't be listenting to rock/pop music at all.
I don't listen to music for composition, but poor composition almost hurts my ears. Did you read my example of the english teacher reading bad grammar? Go re-read it. That essentially sums up what I am trying to say: although compositional rules are not the absolute standard of quality of music, to me they play a very large role.
Oh, and thanks for helping out, Jacques.
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