Thats like saying perhaps you should start your own country and get the f outta mine since my government can't quite cut it for you. No really, gtfo.

See that, Adam? Youre #3....at best.

*watches Adam Jones cry himself to sleep because of Submachine's comment*

Submachine:
I'm not a guitar-expert or anything either, but it seems you're just set on bashing Adam's guitar playing without any constructive criticism. You started off bashing his playing on 10k days, but then went over to bashing ALL his playing in general (read your last post here). Why I wonder...
IMO, A. Jones has a wonderful ability to play awide range of styles, from soft and melodic to raging loud and powerful. I've always been a diehard fan of David Glimour (of Pink Floyd), but there are times that I think A. Jones may even have a higher priority in my own mind as a guitarist...now, that's MY taste, and you're entitled to yours, of course, but it seems you keep getting frustrated in trying to justify your own citicism of a. Jones' playing.

Yeah maybe cause the drums are right under you :roll:

Yeah im sure that would only make the drums louder :roll:

I've never had a problem on any previous cd, and I don't have a problem with Vicarious. Its all good, but on other tracks on 10000 Days like this one, adam is mixed too high and Danny too low.

submachine your stereo sucks
btw i did enjoy the drums from the second time i listened to it :P

hmm, i thought it was fine

Because its high quality allows me to discern fluctuations and determine mixing miscalculations?

the album could have been mixed better, like many others i would ahve liked the bass to be there, but with the bass buried there in the thick layers of noise it kind of just, well, fits

the guitar does not suck
adam rips it on this album like he does on any other
he's just not the showcase, and really, never has been

I thought this topic was going to be about that bit. I'm still a bit irked by its abrubtness and feeling out of place with the rest of the music, but that interpretation justifies it a bit.

Still seems so out of place and, well, heavy-handed. Clumsy even.
To mine ears anyway.

That part seems to act as a bridge to the end of the song. It picks up the pace, and just as its picking up, it slows right down again. The outro wouldnt sound as slow or sorrowful as it does without the heavy part.

Ok i can accept that, but maybe they could have built up to it progressively rather than just ripping it out of nowhere.

You think?? I thought the bass was more proclaimed on this record than any other. For me, it's easier to pick out the bass on this CD because on a lot of other CD's the bass almost blends w/ the guitar on parts of songs.

Sub's still pissed about all those non-spanish spanish people he doesn't actually know ruining his country there in New York City. Not to mention the diaper rash.

He wouldn't even be that, because with out Justin's bass, Adam's guitar would be far too bland. The fact that the bass and guitar mix so perfectly together is what makes tool so amazing. Everyone in the band has a chance to shine in their own spots.

I think most would agree Adam is the "weakest" member of the band. But you have to face the fact that Maynard not only vocally, but lyrically is one of the best rock singers ever. Personally I think next to probably Lennon, he's the best singer ever.

Few drummers can compare to Danny, and few Bassists can compare to Justin as well. Of course there are going to be guys better at both. Jazz drummers are some of the most amazing in the world, and of course bassists like Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius etc are better than Justin, but the way these two work in a band setting, you don't see that much creativity and skill in many bands.

Adam does a great job. If he did more it would be really difficult for the others to have their moments. His more simplistic style allows for Danny and Justin to be as good as they can be.

Anyway, as far as 10,000 Days is concerned, I don't know what you're talking about honestly. The bass and drums aren't buried at all, at least certainly not on my sound systems. The bass is featured through out the beginning, and it's meant to be quiet. He's playing on 3 of the 4 strings so there's a lot of full bass ringing throughout the beginning. It's not about the individual notes, but the full sound created from all of them.

Maybe comapred to past albums Adam may stand out a bit more, but I still don't see it. Justin's tone is so much sharper and clearer on this album that you can definitely hear him, and honestly I think Danny is better heard as well. Now, I'm a bassist, so maybe it's because I tend to have an ear, and pay a lot of attention to the rhythm section to begin with rather than guitar, but I think this album is incredbily well mixed. Besdies, how many other bands can you name where the bass and drums are featured so prominantly as in Tool?

As for those who say Adam can't solo, as others have said, his spots in Lateralus, Parabola, etc show that he can put a great solo in where it's needed.

My sound systems must all suck ... it sounded terrific to me. Someone mentioned it earlier, and I'd have to agree, the "solo" in Wings Pt 2 definately sounds like musical crying/mourning to me.

A large reason that this debate continues on is that a hell of a lot of people on the "Adam" side assume that all who dislike the "solo" would rather have a shred fest.

you are some jerk, why are you on this forum if you dont appreciate tool's work. Adam is a one of four essential musicians in the band. Are you declaring you could do a better job than he does? Why is he a crybaby? Do you know him? - No . So why slander him, especially since it is his band which has given you so much great music. Consider yourself a hypocrite.

This allbum, and specifically the song "10,000 Days" reminds me of a Grateful Dead concert. It's just a trippy jam in the spirit of Ken Kesey and his Merry Pranksters. Just much better becuase it F-ing rocks unlike that sappy ass folk/blues/jazz shit the Dead played.

How could any fan of TOOL in general make a statement this stupid. As every fan knows TOOL plays with feeling and raw emotion so if Adam felt that was the lick, then it became the lick. How dare you!

If Adams playing is clumsy thats even more reason to tone it down. Maybe its clumsiness is why it sounds so heavy-handed and overpowering, like cheap cologne.

OH SNAP!1!

MAYBE Adam is the weakest musician in the band (I'd probably give the title to Justin first, but they're ALL good)..

What you people are all forgetting is that a HUGE part of Adam's work is WRITING THE SONGS, not just playing the riffs. All your favorite Tool songs, the structure and the form and the sound of those songs was written largely by Adam (working with Justin, and Danny). Adam is a GREAT songwriter, and a good guitarist.

Now stop bashing him!

Calm down, no one is forgetting anything. You know its probably this kind of ass-kissing that led adam to go overboard on 10000 Days. Its not even bad, its just too LOUD in the mix.

It must be that time for you, huh?

Nice just just what I was thinkin...................but I still respect his/her opinion

The time I school you on music? Yeah that was a few minutes ago.

what is your purpose submachine?

Objectively honest constructive criticism :)

Um, I'm not sure if Adam has read this thread.....but he'd probably laugh at you guys for thinking that somehow your input would improve the song. Do Adam a favor, pick up a guitar and show him how its done.....then he'd laugh again.

"As always, the affair is shabbily held together by the guitar work of Adam Jones, which manages to touch all the extremes of mediocrity, from the chilling abyss of conspicuous sub-mediocrity (the spit-soaked Frampton-Comes-Alive solo on “Jambi”) to the thrilling stratosphere of… defensibility. Yes, that’s about the best that could be said of him: someone somewhere might have some kind of argument in his favor. Lord knows it isn’t me. His ass is frequently saved by the workmanlike bass twiddling of What’s-His-Face, who charitably wrests the lead from Jones when the going gets too tough."

ahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahah

STUPID THREAD. END IT. STOP POSTING,

Tool, as a whole, makes this song beautiful.

submachine, do us all a favour GTFO

sub...i have a question for you

what are you listening to 10,000 days on?

obviously a set of mackie monitors designed by god himself.

how else can one man be *so* assured in his conviction that 4 musicians who've been together more than 15 years and an extremely talented mixing engineer with many years' more experience than him are utterly, totally inept at doing what they're paid to do?

1. Aenima was mixed flawlessly by David Bottrill

2. Lateralus was mixed flawlessly by David Bottrill

3. 10000 Days was mixed horribly by (the new) Joe Baressi

You're assuming they were all equally involved in the process.

You're assuming they all agreed with uniform opinions.

You're assuming they are satisfied with the outcome.

Why wouldn't they be?? When I recorded w/ my band, all 4 members made sure everything was as we wanted it (within budgeted reasoning:)). Tool waited 5 yrs to release this, why wouldn't it be exactly how they wanted it?? Afterall, THEY produced it!!