ok, im sure this will get blasted, but i think this song is about jimmy page.

he has sued bands in the past for ripping zeppelin off, but his band was "eyeballs deep in Muddy Waters." i dunno, muddy waters just works better than blind willie johnson.

lemon juice? squeeze my lemon til the juice runs down my leg, etc.

this was a common metaphor used by zeppelin.

still dont know about ganja police, or kangaroo, but the rest seems to fit nicely.

sounds coherent. im not a zeppelin fan, but Tool sure is.

note: it's "Ganja? Puh-lease" according to the official lyrics.

oh yeah i forgot it was please. and i guess the kangaroo court could be a reference to the lawsuit. of course, this all happened quite a while ago. but its the first theory ive heard that actually makes sense with real clues. pretty cool huh? also, they have sued other times as well, not just pearl jam, thats just the one i was reminded of.

Better luck next time kiddo

so what is your theory, wise one?

and perhaps a reason why mine isnt correct?

Cause you failed life 3 times, thats why...


But seriously do you guys like argue about what a song is "really" about?

Since not all songs need to have a message or hidden meaning.

i dont think theres a need to argue, but yeah i like to soemtimes figure out what a song is about. why do you care what we do?

because sometimes its nice just to listen to the song, and appreciate it for wut you hear at that given moment, imo.

but you'll find your opinions on wut a song is about will change over time, so have fun.

yeah, like this one did. and btw, this is the section for deciphering the song, should you choose to do so. and id be having a little more fun if youd shut up and pass that bowl :)

[Originally Posted by insaner
ok, im sure this will get blasted, but i think this song is about jimmy page.

he has sued bands in the past for ripping zeppelin off, but his band was "eyeballs deep in Muddy Waters." i dunno, muddy waters just works better than blind willie johnson.

lemon juice? squeeze my lemon til the juice runs down my leg, etc.

this was a common metaphor used by zeppelin.

still dont know about ganja police, or kangaroo, but the rest seems to fit nicely.]

Ok, first of all, you knew outright you would get blasted and expected it...so don't whine about it when someone does. Secondly, I wanted to be the first to do so...it's what I'm good at. And finally, your farfetched connection of Led Zepplin holds no merit. Are we done now?

I personally think the song is about anal sex....

Or maybe its about Tupac and that crazy loon who was ranting about how Tool was insulting Tupac was totally right

...

Hobble, so much to say?

you are.

pwnd.


but not really.


that was like a lame "your mom" joke in defense of a position that I'm not sure hold much merit.

Unlike Inner_ (who I have come to appreciate, but not necessarily side with on these forums), I wouldn't mind hearing more of your thoughts if you have them. But it'd be better if they were more coherent than "lemon juice in eye = lemon juice down the pants" and "Muddy Waters = ???". I'm not a huge Zepp fan (which doesn't mean I don't like them, I just don't follow/know as much) so I don't know what we are referring to at all. Some explanation might be helpful.

Also note that if you post a thread that starts with "figured it out", you WILL get blasted hardcore. We don't have the right answers most of the time (except for Three_Deviations who is the most arrogant person [though often correct] that I've ever spoken with in a forum), so if you think you do, you're gonna get flamed by someone. But take heart, Inner_'s a good guy once you get passed the sign that says "No Bullshit Accepted".

haha yes. Not quite like me. I had a hard time processing that last interpretation.


Imagine that...

Like hell

LMAO, why thanks. And yes, that's a great way to describe it..."No Bullshit Accepted". I'm open to good ideas and well thought out theories, it's the farfetched and obviously lame ones that I jump on. Honestly, it wasn't that his idea was that bad...but he basically asked to get blasted as well as creating a thread titled "figured it out" when the post holds absolutely no merit....That's like trying to run around and get people to believe 1+2=666.....it just fucking doesn't no matter which way you look at it. Know whatta' mean?

Same old shit I see, Eulogy. haha

what are we talking about again?

<shrug>

I thought this was about Lemons.

first off, fuck your no bullshit sign. maybe i couldve changed the title but whatever. ive been posting here forever and thats just how i talked. im sorry no one here is enough of a zeppelin fan to understand what i meant. lemme try to make it a little more clear. zeppelin, while being the greatest band of all time, were notorious rip off artists. not just like ripping off riffs, but as in doin actual covers and then taking the songwriting credit on the records. this means they kept all the royalties from these songs.


from wiki -

Allegations of plagiarism

When Led Zeppelin's debut album was released, it received generally positive reviews, however John Mendelsohn of Rolling Stone magazine, criticized the band for stealing music, notably "Black Mountain Side" from Bert Jansch's "Black Water Side" and the riff from "Your Time Is Gonna Come" from Traffic's "Dear Mr. Fantasy". He also accused the band of mimicking black artists, and showing off. This marked the beginning of a long rift between the band and the magazine, with Led Zeppelin rejecting later requests for interviews and cover stories as their level of success escalated.[32]

One song from the album, "Dazed and Confused", was a song originally written by Jake Holmes on his album "The Above Ground Sound" of Jake Holmes. The Yardbirds, Jimmy Page's old band, had made a version called "I'm Confused", and Page reworked the song again for Led Zeppelin's debut recording, with Holmes having never received any royalty payments for their recording.[74] Holmes did not file suit over the song, although he did send the band a letter stating "I understand it's a collaborative effort, but I think you should give me some credit at least and some remunity." His letter was never replied to and he did not follow up on it.[74] Holmes is however also reported to have said "what the hell, let him [Page] have it [Dazed and Confused]".[15]

Led Zeppelin II's credits have also been the subject of debate since the album's release. The prelude to "Bring It on Home" is a cover of Sonny Boy Williamson's "Bring it on Home" and drew comparisons with Willie Dixon's "Bring It on Back". "Whole Lotta Love" (sample (info)) shared some lyrics and an overall pattern with Dixon's "You Need Love/Woman You Need Love". In the 1970s, Arc Music, the publishing arm of Chess Records, brought a lawsuit against Led Zeppelin for copyright infringement over "Bring It on Home" and won an out-of-court settlement.[75] Dixon himself did not benefit until he sued Arc Music to recover his royalties and copyrights. Years later, Dixon filed suit against Led Zeppelin over "Whole Lotta Love" and an out-of-court settlement was reached. Later pressings of Led Zeppelin II credit Dixon.

The opening chord progression and verse in Stairway to Heaven are very similar to the 1968 instrumental "Taurus" by the group Spirit.[76] Led Zeppelin was the opening act for Spirit's 1968 tour,[77] a little over two years before "Stairway To Heaven" was written.

The Lemon Song is a cover of Howlin' Wolf's song Killing Floor but was not credited as such when it was first released. The band was sued for copyright infringements and forced to give credit to the original author of the song.

so move forward to the 90s and zeppelin, and page specifically decided it would be a good idea to sue bands who in their minds had ripped THEM off, if that was even possible. beginning to make sense yet? ok so thats what came to me the other day, i wasnt trying to be a prick, and like i said i knew it would get blasted. doesnt bother me a bit. i think its the best idea yet as to the actual meaning of this song. i have some more, but why should i have to give it all away, go check it out again under this light and see what you think...

Hmm... I had no idea about this. This song does describe something simliar to what you're talking about. I don't necessarily think this song is specifically about that, but it does reflect those types of people.

Agreed, and at least time he gave some merit to his thought, which I can now comend. However, I agree that while there's a similarity that you can connect...I still disagree entirely that this song was written about this.

HERESY!!!


(damn, I like that word)

while im not sure its true, the main riff is like a backwards the ocean maybe>? haha.

i did catch another part of the song that reminded me of a zeppelin song, i forgot what it was. this still makes pretty good sense to me on the whole. i will get back if i find any forther eveidence. i still say its the best thory ive seen yet as to any more speciofic meaning to the song. its easy to say it has a larger meaning, and im sure any tool song does. it always just seemed to me that this was a sort of simple song, and deserved a simple meaning. like any great band, no mater how simple the original meaning, theyre good enough to make it mean something else in a more general sense. im drunk, sorry if none of this was coherent.

When you say this seems like a simple song, you're only cutting yourself short. It can be as simple or as complex as you want it. I don't believe there are many "simple" tool songs because they tend to offer more than most bands. If we sit here and try to figure out what was going through their heads when they wrote it, we'll only come up with questions and guesses. If we work with the context of what we're given, we can come up with incredibly in-depth interpretations, or simple interpretations. If you come up with a simple one, thats your lack of imagination.

riiiight.

I suppose I should lay off. I realized that this isn't my first post complaining about simplicity... I guess it's partially because I expect there to be more and partially because I can find so many connections to Tool songs that aren't always obvious at first.

i agree with most of their songs, but i say that the pot is the simplest song theyve ever done, besides maynards dick. i had always wished that tool would do a striahgt up rock song in 4/4 and this song delivered. and i think a simple song could have relatively simple lyrics.

im still not convinced myself, but it damn sure has some possibilities.

It's about Rush Limbaugh and the far-right.

It's about the inherent anger of kitchen utensils.

}=-P

Like this???

did page ever make accusations toward tool?

oh shit son! he referenced it now! hes def. right! gawd, i love the internet so much. its so much fun for everyone to be right and then argue why everyone else is wrong. what a bunch of fun tubes!

Like that?

rob the grave - steal from dead blues musicians
to snow the cradle - fool the kids listening into thinking its an original song
then burn the evidence down - give yourself the writing credits, and no credit for the person who actually wrote the song.