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McRoggles is the man. Look at him solve this shit by himself.
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McRoggles is the man. Look at him solve this shit by himself.
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yeah that really does seem to fit well
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yeah that really does seem to fit well
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You're a member?

Time to approach the '19'.

(add tool members plus relatives, blair, some management(?) and you'll come to 30 I guess).
I know a couple of the 19, and if there was something accessible to them we'd know about it by now. Also, I don't think those stats have been updated for some time - I'd expect there's well more than 30 now.
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You're a member?

Time to approach the '19'.

(add tool members plus relatives, blair, some management(?) and you'll come to 30 I guess).
I know a couple of the 19, and if there was something accessible to them we'd know about it by now. Also, I don't think those stats have been updated for some time - I'd expect there's well more than 30 now.
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tool getting their mystery back..
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well, Tool's 4/1 Jokes in the past were actually funny. Like Maynard leaving the band because he became born again. Or them all dying in a bus crash. Maybe this years joke is that they lost a sense of humor.
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well, Tool's 4/1 Jokes in the past were actually funny. Like Maynard leaving the band because he became born again. Or them all dying in a bus crash. Maybe this years joke is that they lost a sense of humor.
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maybe when you hear it your head explodes
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I know a couple of the 19, and if there was something accessible to them we'd know about it by now. Also, I don't think those stats have been updated for some time - I'd expect there's well more than 30 now.
I don't think it's been updated in a LONG time. I've been a Mystagogue for quite some time now and my points haven't went up.
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I know a couple of the 19, and if there was something accessible to them we'd know about it by now. Also, I don't think those stats have been updated for some time - I'd expect there's well more than 30 now.
I don't think it's been updated in a LONG time. I've been a Mystagogue for quite some time now and my points haven't went up.
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I don't think this so called secret song exists. Someone in the right mind would have put this up on Youtube by now and the mystery would have been solved years ago. Like how on earth could a secret song be kept in the vaults for all of these years even if a select few own the track? and further more I'm supposed to believe that NONE of these so called owners aren't aware of its existence... why? C'mon people think with your heads, we are living in the 21st century now.
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I don't think this so called secret song exists. Someone in the right mind would have put this up on Youtube by now and the mystery would have been solved years ago. Like how on earth could a secret song be kept in the vaults for all of these years even if a select few own the track? and further more I'm supposed to believe that NONE of these so called owners aren't aware of its existence... why? C'mon people think with your heads, we are living in the 21st century now.
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Hmm, I still like my idea about certain Aenema cases being playable on a turntable.
Have you tried to actually play it on a turntable yet? Do the ridges look deliberate or just like an effect of the manufacturing? Can you post a photo of the case plz?
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Hmm, I still like my idea about certain Aenema cases being playable on a turntable.
Have you tried to actually play it on a turntable yet? Do the ridges look deliberate or just like an effect of the manufacturing? Can you post a photo of the case plz?
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C'mon people think with your heads, we are living in the 21st century now.
tool is living in the 23rd
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^ I don't believe you.

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tool is living in the 23rd
This I do believe to be true.
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this song only exists in the 5th dimension.
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I don't think this so called secret song exists. Someone in the right mind would have put this up on Youtube by now and the mystery would have been solved years ago. Like how on earth could a secret song be kept in the vaults for all of these years even if a select few own the track? and further more I'm supposed to believe that NONE of these so called owners aren't aware of its existence... why? C'mon people think with your heads, we are living in the 21st century now.
The answer is clear.

They sent them out to a bunch of senior citizens in DVD format. The recipients were NEVER able to get their players working, and only two of them are signed up for the electronic mail.
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I don't think this so called secret song exists. Someone in the right mind would have put this up on Youtube by now and the mystery would have been solved years ago. Like how on earth could a secret song be kept in the vaults for all of these years even if a select few own the track? and further more I'm supposed to believe that NONE of these so called owners aren't aware of its existence... why? C'mon people think with your heads, we are living in the 21st century now.
The answer is clear.

They sent them out to a bunch of senior citizens in DVD format. The recipients were NEVER able to get their players working, and only two of them are signed up for the electronic mail.
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The answer is clear.

They sent them out to a bunch of senior citizens in DVD format. The recipients were NEVER able to get their players working, and only two of them are signed up for the electronic mail.
Am I really supposed to believe that? Tool giving out their secret songs to a bunch of senior citizens who probably don't even listen to Tool? Unless I hear this secret song for myself then I am going to stick to my theory-- it's all bullshit.
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The answer is clear.

They sent them out to a bunch of senior citizens in DVD format. The recipients were NEVER able to get their players working, and only two of them are signed up for the electronic mail.
Am I really supposed to believe that? Tool giving out their secret songs to a bunch of senior citizens who probably don't even listen to Tool? Unless I hear this secret song for myself then I am going to stick to my theory-- it's all bullshit.
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Am I really supposed to believe that? Tool giving out their secret songs to a bunch of senior citizens who probably don't even listen to Tool? Unless I hear this secret song for myself then I am going to stick to my theory-- it's all bullshit.
i think he was joking
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Am I really supposed to believe that? Tool giving out their secret songs to a bunch of senior citizens who probably don't even listen to Tool? Unless I hear this secret song for myself then I am going to stick to my theory-- it's all bullshit.
i think he was joking
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Am I really supposed to believe that? Tool giving out their secret songs to a bunch of senior citizens who probably don't even listen to Tool? Unless I hear this secret song for myself then I am going to stick to my theory-- it's all bullshit.
No dude, it's the God's truth. My grannie got a copy...but she thought it was a coaster and it was ruined by the time I got to it.

(It should be clear that this was a joke)
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Am I really supposed to believe that? Tool giving out their secret songs to a bunch of senior citizens who probably don't even listen to Tool? Unless I hear this secret song for myself then I am going to stick to my theory-- it's all bullshit.
No dude, it's the God's truth. My grannie got a copy...but she thought it was a coaster and it was ruined by the time I got to it.

(It should be clear that this was a joke)
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Hahaha okay, sorry my sarcasm meter never really works so I don't know how seriously to take people sometimes :P

I'm glad we both agree this is all just a hoax to get people excited over nothing... assholes
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Hahaha okay, sorry my sarcasm meter never really works so I don't know how seriously to take people sometimes :P

I'm glad we both agree this is all just a hoax to get people excited over nothing... assholes
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If you looked up Problem 8 on Wikipedia the day the newsletter first appeared, you would have seen that it was edited by someone (Blair?) on April 1.
That edit has since been deleted.
Could that Wikipedia edit that day have been a link to the song?
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If you looked up Problem 8 on Wikipedia the day the newsletter first appeared, you would have seen that it was edited by someone (Blair?) on April 1.
That edit has since been deleted.
Could that Wikipedia edit that day have been a link to the song?
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It would come as no surprise to me if there was unreleased material. I suspect the majority of it will remain unreleased.
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Would seem to me to be breaking April Fools Day Etiquette to be keeping this joke going.
And this.

I wonder if it is some kind limited pressing only for promo purposes for example. 30 seems so small amount to press anything for public and to me something like promo pressing seems to be only thing to make sense of so small number of copies. But what occasion would Tool need something like this for? The time they changed their rec company? I don't think so. Festival/Concert organizer abroad? That doesn't seem too plausible either..

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It would come as no surprise to me if there was unreleased material. I suspect the majority of it will remain unreleased.
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Would seem to me to be breaking April Fools Day Etiquette to be keeping this joke going.
And this.

I wonder if it is some kind limited pressing only for promo purposes for example. 30 seems so small amount to press anything for public and to me something like promo pressing seems to be only thing to make sense of so small number of copies. But what occasion would Tool need something like this for? The time they changed their rec company? I don't think so. Festival/Concert organizer abroad? That doesn't seem too plausible either..

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About the unreleased material: I remember reading a Lateralus-era interview (with Danny I think) here on toolshed where Danny said that there was quite some material from the Lateralus-sessions unreleased, and because of that, we wouldn't have to wait so long for the next album to be released (which we now know isn't true). However, my guess is that he was referring to jams, bits and pieces instead of completed songs.

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I wonder if it is some kind limited pressing only for promo purposes for example. 30 seems so small amount to press anything for public and to me something like promo pressing seems to be only thing to make sense of so small number of copies. But what occasion would Tool need something like this for? The time they changed their rec company? I don't think so. Festival/Concert organizer abroad? That doesn't seem too plausible either..

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Tool have released quite some promo-items . You can find them here: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Tool+%282%29#t=Releases_Miscellaneous&q=&p=1 and here: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Tool+%282%29#t=Releases_Miscellaneous&q=&p=1

And if you're wondering why they would release promo's, wikipedia says: "A promotional recording, or promo (more recently known as a radio single), is a recording issued on Vinyl, 8-track, Cassette, CD, MP3, VHS, DVD, or Blu-ray, and generally distributed free in order to promote a commercial recording. Promos are usually sent out to music radio and television stations, music journalists and reviewers in advance of the official release date so that their reviews will appear in the current publications, and DJs. They are often distributed in plain white packaging, without the text or artwork that appears on the commercial version. "

So every time a new album, single or video (was about to be) released by Tool, also a promo was released.

If the Blair's story is actually true, I think the promo-hypothesis is the most likely one to be true, since Blair mentioned that the item containing the song was "never made available for sale". However, regarding Blair and the April Fools Day's Etiquette mentioned by hellboy, keep in mind that with Blair everyday is April Fools.
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About the unreleased material: I remember reading a Lateralus-era interview (with Danny I think) here on toolshed where Danny said that there was quite some material from the Lateralus-sessions unreleased, and because of that, we wouldn't have to wait so long for the next album to be released (which we now know isn't true). However, my guess is that he was referring to jams, bits and pieces instead of completed songs.

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I wonder if it is some kind limited pressing only for promo purposes for example. 30 seems so small amount to press anything for public and to me something like promo pressing seems to be only thing to make sense of so small number of copies. But what occasion would Tool need something like this for? The time they changed their rec company? I don't think so. Festival/Concert organizer abroad? That doesn't seem too plausible either..

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Tool have released quite some promo-items . You can find them here: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Tool+%282%29#t=Releases_Miscellaneous&q=&p=1 and here: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Tool+%282%29#t=Releases_Miscellaneous&q=&p=1

And if you're wondering why they would release promo's, wikipedia says: "A promotional recording, or promo (more recently known as a radio single), is a recording issued on Vinyl, 8-track, Cassette, CD, MP3, VHS, DVD, or Blu-ray, and generally distributed free in order to promote a commercial recording. Promos are usually sent out to music radio and television stations, music journalists and reviewers in advance of the official release date so that their reviews will appear in the current publications, and DJs. They are often distributed in plain white packaging, without the text or artwork that appears on the commercial version. "

So every time a new album, single or video (was about to be) released by Tool, also a promo was released.

If the Blair's story is actually true, I think the promo-hypothesis is the most likely one to be true, since Blair mentioned that the item containing the song was "never made available for sale". However, regarding Blair and the April Fools Day's Etiquette mentioned by hellboy, keep in mind that with Blair everyday is April Fools.
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For the Danny quote on unreleased material, see here: http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=41538
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For the Danny quote on unreleased material, see here: http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=41538
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the song is hidden in the black square on the salival casing
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point this shit at it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_microphone

or point this shit at the "smoke box" aenema morphing box and there lies yee song maties
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point this shit at it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_microphone

or point this shit at the "smoke box" aenema morphing box and there lies yee song maties
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Just read the newsletter, and buried in the mass of text about Rare tool collectables: apparently there's a secret Tool song called problem 8 (the Riemann hypothesis), of which only about 30 copies exist.

The exact quote is "Most people don't even know they have it, it's been staring them right in the eye on a near daily basis. The reason they aren't aware of it, is because they'd never think to play it. Okay, enough said..."

Now the newsletter was posted on April 1st, so im not sure whether I take it serious or not. Any thoughts?


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Just read the newsletter, and buried in the mass of text about Rare tool collectables: apparently there's a secret Tool song called problem 8 (the Riemann hypothesis), of which only about 30 copies exist.

The exact quote is "Most people don't even know they have it, it's been staring them right in the eye on a near daily basis. The reason they aren't aware of it, is because they'd never think to play it. Okay, enough said..."

Now the newsletter was posted on April 1st, so im not sure whether I take it serious or not. Any thoughts?


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“I could see the next record coming in two or three years,” he says,
“unless we take on something huge, like try to do the next Wall.
Which is a possibility . . . I think we’re the ones to step up and do
that.”

heres my guess:
the vicarious-video is just a snippet.
except for "wings" part 1 & 2, lk & rosetta stoned, 10,000 days is "lateralus 2" (the mix of leftovers)...
the four (and for the visual part especially adam) are working on the "next the wall" since 2001...to be released shortly before the world ends in 2012. :D man that would be great...sorry i had nothing better to do...
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“I could see the next record coming in two or three years,” he says,
“unless we take on something huge, like try to do the next Wall.
Which is a possibility . . . I think we’re the ones to step up and do
that.”

heres my guess:
the vicarious-video is just a snippet.
except for "wings" part 1 & 2, lk & rosetta stoned, 10,000 days is "lateralus 2" (the mix of leftovers)...
the four (and for the visual part especially adam) are working on the "next the wall" since 2001...to be released shortly before the world ends in 2012. :D man that would be great...sorry i had nothing better to do...
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are you guessing or do you know?

its an educated guess. what is released in such low numbers? what stares at the owners everyday? an album on the wall, how many people know you can actually put music on a gold or platinum album, even though you need a certain type of stylus for playback. nasa did it why wouldnt tool. i came to this conclusion about 3 minutes after reading the newsletter so i havent put much thought into it. i say undertow because of the uncertainty of bassist, undertow went gold if im not mistaken before ænima was recorded during the transition. ive tried doing research to find out how many gold albums were printed for undertow with no luck. but 30 sounds about right. band members get one or 2 each, agents, producer, record company ceo, the mixers, studio owner so on and so forth, and last but not least, its the last place anyone would ever think to look. cept me
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are you guessing or do you know?

its an educated guess. what is released in such low numbers? what stares at the owners everyday? an album on the wall, how many people know you can actually put music on a gold or platinum album, even though you need a certain type of stylus for playback. nasa did it why wouldnt tool. i came to this conclusion about 3 minutes after reading the newsletter so i havent put much thought into it. i say undertow because of the uncertainty of bassist, undertow went gold if im not mistaken before ænima was recorded during the transition. ive tried doing research to find out how many gold albums were printed for undertow with no luck. but 30 sounds about right. band members get one or 2 each, agents, producer, record company ceo, the mixers, studio owner so on and so forth, and last but not least, its the last place anyone would ever think to look. cept me
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are you guessing or do you know?

"they would never think to play it" that says it all right there, so yes tool fans you can thank me now
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are you guessing or do you know?

"they would never think to play it" that says it all right there, so yes tool fans you can thank me now
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Promotional singles were issued for "H.", "Eulogy", and "Forty-Six & 2."

Demo versions of the songs "Pushit", "Stinkfist", "Ænema", and "Eulogy" were recorded with Paul D'Amour on bass, before he left the band. These appeared online in early 2007. D'Amour also worked on "H.", as he is credited as a co-songwriter on ASCAP's website.

Before the first track on any CD, there's a section of data called the pregap, which is typically used to store structuring data for the disc itself.
To access the pregap, you must go against your every instinct by pressing and holding the rewind button at the beginning of the first track, until it can't go back any further. This will often show a "-1" in the display window.
All you have to do to listen to this rare gem is press rewind. Simple, right? Well, it would be, if it wasn't for the fact that most pregap songs aren't accessible anymore. Nowadays, electronics manufacturers have to build their products to a standard known as Red Book audio, and pregap audio goes against those standards. As a result, the majority of stand-alone CD players and computer optical disc drives can't read pregap audio. ITunes and other media players won't recognize it and the tracks are typically not available for sale from online music retailers.

Dollars to donuts, "Problem 8" is in the pregap on the promotional single of either "H.", "Eulogy," or "Forty-Six & 2."

I don't have access to any of these, so if you do, please...
GET UP AND KILL!
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

Promotional singles were issued for "H.", "Eulogy", and "Forty-Six & 2."

Demo versions of the songs "Pushit", "Stinkfist", "Ænema", and "Eulogy" were recorded with Paul D'Amour on bass, before he left the band. These appeared online in early 2007. D'Amour also worked on "H.", as he is credited as a co-songwriter on ASCAP's website.

Before the first track on any CD, there's a section of data called the pregap, which is typically used to store structuring data for the disc itself.
To access the pregap, you must go against your every instinct by pressing and holding the rewind button at the beginning of the first track, until it can't go back any further. This will often show a "-1" in the display window.
All you have to do to listen to this rare gem is press rewind. Simple, right? Well, it would be, if it wasn't for the fact that most pregap songs aren't accessible anymore. Nowadays, electronics manufacturers have to build their products to a standard known as Red Book audio, and pregap audio goes against those standards. As a result, the majority of stand-alone CD players and computer optical disc drives can't read pregap audio. ITunes and other media players won't recognize it and the tracks are typically not available for sale from online music retailers.

Dollars to donuts, "Problem 8" is in the pregap on the promotional single of either "H.", "Eulogy," or "Forty-Six & 2."

I don't have access to any of these, so if you do, please...
GET UP AND KILL!
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Promotional singles were issued for "H.", "Eulogy", and "Forty-Six & 2."

Demo versions of the songs "Pushit", "Stinkfist", "Ænema", and "Eulogy" were recorded with Paul D'Amour on bass, before he left the band. These appeared online in early 2007. D'Amour also worked on "H.", as he is credited as a co-songwriter on ASCAP's website.

Before the first track on any CD, there's a section of data called the pregap, which is typically used to store structuring data for the disc itself.
To access the pregap, you must go against your every instinct by pressing and holding the rewind button at the beginning of the first track, until it can't go back any further. This will often show a "-1" in the display window.
All you have to do to listen to this rare gem is press rewind. Simple, right? Well, it would be, if it wasn't for the fact that most pregap songs aren't accessible anymore. Nowadays, electronics manufacturers have to build their products to a standard known as Red Book audio, and pregap audio goes against those standards. As a result, the majority of stand-alone CD players and computer optical disc drives can't read pregap audio. ITunes and other media players won't recognize it and the tracks are typically not available for sale from online music retailers.

Dollars to donuts, "Problem 8" is in the pregap on the promotional single of either "H.", "Eulogy," or "Forty-Six & 2."

I don't have access to any of these, so if you do, please...
GET UP AND KILL!

if this is the case i have never been so joyed to be wrong, these are much more easy to get ones hands on than a gold record. so we need to find a first generation cd player.
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Promotional singles were issued for "H.", "Eulogy", and "Forty-Six & 2."

Demo versions of the songs "Pushit", "Stinkfist", "Ænema", and "Eulogy" were recorded with Paul D'Amour on bass, before he left the band. These appeared online in early 2007. D'Amour also worked on "H.", as he is credited as a co-songwriter on ASCAP's website.

Before the first track on any CD, there's a section of data called the pregap, which is typically used to store structuring data for the disc itself.
To access the pregap, you must go against your every instinct by pressing and holding the rewind button at the beginning of the first track, until it can't go back any further. This will often show a "-1" in the display window.
All you have to do to listen to this rare gem is press rewind. Simple, right? Well, it would be, if it wasn't for the fact that most pregap songs aren't accessible anymore. Nowadays, electronics manufacturers have to build their products to a standard known as Red Book audio, and pregap audio goes against those standards. As a result, the majority of stand-alone CD players and computer optical disc drives can't read pregap audio. ITunes and other media players won't recognize it and the tracks are typically not available for sale from online music retailers.

Dollars to donuts, "Problem 8" is in the pregap on the promotional single of either "H.", "Eulogy," or "Forty-Six & 2."

I don't have access to any of these, so if you do, please...
GET UP AND KILL!

if this is the case i have never been so joyed to be wrong, these are much more easy to get ones hands on than a gold record. so we need to find a first generation cd player.
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lets find them and try it out! anyone got an idea and how to digitalize such pregaps? i think my cd-player can still handle it (at least i remember such a pregap on some cds- wel, without music)...damn! a mixed and mastered tool-song from the aenima-sessions :X:X:X O_O
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lets find them and try it out! anyone got an idea and how to digitalize such pregaps? i think my cd-player can still handle it (at least i remember such a pregap on some cds- wel, without music)...damn! a mixed and mastered tool-song from the aenima-sessions :X:X:X O_O
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lets find them and try it out! anyone got an idea and how to digitalize such pregaps? i think my cd-player can still handle it (at least i remember such a pregap on some cds- wel, without music)...damn! a mixed and mastered tool-song from the aenima-sessions :X:X:X O_O
i think first it would be better to find out how many copies of these cd's where issued. when blair says only a handful he might mean only a handful. i would also like to think that a good record store may have copies, or ebay.
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lets find them and try it out! anyone got an idea and how to digitalize such pregaps? i think my cd-player can still handle it (at least i remember such a pregap on some cds- wel, without music)...damn! a mixed and mastered tool-song from the aenima-sessions :X:X:X O_O
i think first it would be better to find out how many copies of these cd's where issued. when blair says only a handful he might mean only a handful. i would also like to think that a good record store may have copies, or ebay.
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i think first it would be better to find out how many copies of these cd's where issued. when blair says only a handful he might mean only a handful. i would also like to think that a good record store may have copies, or ebay.
hmmm...than maybe we should try to check out where they were sent (probably music magazines, radio stations etc.)...i dunno how to find out? ebay could gibe a clue...i`m still not sure if blair is just fucking around with our minds (again...).
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i think first it would be better to find out how many copies of these cd's where issued. when blair says only a handful he might mean only a handful. i would also like to think that a good record store may have copies, or ebay.
hmmm...than maybe we should try to check out where they were sent (probably music magazines, radio stations etc.)...i dunno how to find out? ebay could gibe a clue...i`m still not sure if blair is just fucking around with our minds (again...).
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http://www.discogs.com/Tool-Selectio...elease/1121022

maybe??? ^ how do we find out how many copies of those were made?

it says "promotional use only. not for sale."

http://www.discogs.com/release/stats/1121022#collection

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http://www.discogs.com/Tool-Selectio...elease/1121022

maybe??? ^ how do we find out how many copies of those were made?

it says "promotional use only. not for sale."

http://www.discogs.com/release/stats/1121022#collection

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maybe getting a gold record would be easier
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some people say that about jobs, social lives and hobbies etc.
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