Okay, to side-step the petty arguments in the past few posts...

I like this idea, Octopod. I definitely agree with the prophet/Judith connection. "Shitting the bed" is common phenomenon at death and taking the line in a serious tone vastly changes the song. I wish you would post more often because you always contribute well-thought out ideas which are completely new AND you are articulate (and not an asshole who talks down to other members and can't spell for shit.)

In other words, thank you for another enlightening post and I look forward to any blog updates.

that octopod, hes a good guy. but yea, thats what I said, everybody shits the bed when they die. nobody thinks he was tryin to be funny at all?

and to resolution, ahahahaha.

Arkham, thank-you for bringing th thread back to the topic.

I think that much of the song is cynical and funny, and yes that line is definitely a joke. But it's serious at the same time.

Yes, everyone shits when they die, but not everyone dies in bed. Specifically, it's the death of the sick, the affluent, the lazy, the quitter, and the crippled. In other words, it's the death of those either unable or unwilling to die "in action". Unlike someone who would die while swimming, for instance. When you consider the death of the comatose in these terms, Tool's lyrics for such songs as Vicarious gain further resonance. Why? Because those who watch TV are, in one sense, the amassed comatose. They watch death on TV, and doing so wait for the kind of death Keenan describes.

With this thought in mind, the speaker's reference is very specific to the sort of death Judith experienced. This makes it's presence more than just a flippant usage. But it also offers critique to the speaker's own revelatory experience in Third Eye, indicating that he is not willing to rest on the laurels of that experience no matter how mind blowing or eye-opening it was. This is where the lyrics to Lateralus come into play:

"Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition leaving all these opportunities behind."

People use this quote a lot here in the Navy when trying to dissuade others from thinking too deeply about the lyrics, but I feel that Keenan is really talking about his own analyzation of his experience with LSD. You can only think about your own personal revelations (be they spiritual or practical) so much before it becomes time for you to do something about them. You must risk all and act because the opportunity to do so is fleeting, which is true for all. It is at the moment of overanalyzation that revelations which initially felt holy can become a joke on your unwilling or fearful existence, and Rosetta Stoned... within the scheme of the band's other songs... seems to highlight this idea while sending up the notion that anyone could have a revelation that applies to all humanity (a quality which those within scripture claim to have).

Another difference between his mother's death and the death of some prophets in scripture is also highlighted in the name of the song: A prophet who braves death by stoning to speak what he or she believes to be the word of God to a people faces dying "in action", and not in bed. It is in these subtleties that we can infer that the speaker was in many ways disgusted by his mother, and disdainful of her faith.

Your seriously are the dumbest person i have ever talked to on the internet...you modified my post to say "Resumes sucking cock" you need to grow up seriously dude...i dont even know who to modify someone elses fuckin post so that tells me right there that you are a pathetic loser that has no life. Get a life.

How is this thread still alive?

Fucking lock it already.

wow and the rabbit finishes the race.

i think they read this website www.alloya.com she channeled a book called we are here by zeta aliens from hyperspace you can download it and 2 othere books on her site i get mad sychronictys that have to do with this site .she says shes a et from zeta reculit in human body too also theres a line about a double 11 in the book of law .alloya is probaly a secert chief . it says this about 11 11 in the we are here book Chapter seven – The Zeta Mission
You as a Zeta are on Earth at this time to impart a new frequency of energy into the
planetary grid. By aligning and integrating your Zeta aspect you are bringing a new
frequency into the body. This new frequency will aid the planet in its development. You have
by now probably had many dreams, encounters and inspired ideas about yourself being one
of us, a Zeta. We will guide you in the integration procedure and allow you to anchor into the
grid who you really are.
Here is a little game that we have designed to get your attention. We use the digital
clock to show you synchronized times. If you are seeing groups of numbers such as 11.11,
12.12 10.01 etc then this is a way that we can communicate with you.
Here is what the numbers mean.
Numbers
1) Is the number of the oneness, the source and the Universal Dreamer. If you see
number combinations that have one in it, then it is a sign of your spirit influencing your
reality, being in the flow of creation. The one singularity.
2) Is the number of the twin flames or the two polarities coming together. If you
see two then it is a sign that you are co-creating with someone or something, creating
something new. If you saw one and two together then this is a sign that you are in divine
flow with someone else.
3) Is the number of evolution in thought. If you see three then it is a sign that you
are moving faster along your evolutionary path and are speeding along your time lines to
catapult you into the destiny of your future. You are taking a short cut. If you see this three
combination then it is a sign that you are injecting a new blueprint into your reality.
4) Is the number of the elements that make up the natural world. It also represents
the four laws that hold the universe in balance. So if you see the number four it is a sign that
you are affecting your physical world, or that you are coming against the natural laws of the
universe.
5) Is the number of alchemy, it is the number that transforms the physical energies
into spiritual energies. If you see the number five, you are seeing a sign of a process of
transmutation of physical energies. Turning lead into gold. Turning the dense physical body
into a body of light.
6) Is the number of movement. If you see this number it is sign of destiny affecting
your motion through life.
7) Is the number of cycles and phases. If you see this number it is a sign you are
going through maybe even karmic cycles and there is promise of clearing and balancing with
the number seven.
8) Is the number of the snake, it is infinity. The ability to self perpetuate your
creative process. It is the number of sex, and the exchange and merging of energies. If you
see the number eighth it is a sign that you are aligning and running your creative energy in
the correct way.
9) Is the number of death. It is the opposite of six which is movement in evolution
the urge to be the “I am “. Nine however is the number associated with moving back to the
“Am “. The all that is. If you see nine you are getting a sign that you need to let go of
something to be closer to the source.
10) Is the number of the oneness and “0”, which is the void and the ability to create
a reality a new. So 10 is the spirit and the void coming together to create something new.
You are getting a sign that you can in that moment recreate your reality inline with your
soul‘s intent.
11) Is the number of the Zeta and the gateway for new energies and concepts to
enter your reality. So if you see eleven it is a sign that you are opening to new possibilities.
Often brought by the Zeta. It is a sign that we are in your reality. back to me writing this is not from alloyas book . i ve seen 4 faces of the zeta when i was laying down then opened my eyes and it was a 11 11 on the clock . alloya teaches you to breath into tense parts of your body till it clears and say people have emotional chasms and miasms that block energy thru the chakra system . she talks about how the anuucki implant people too and fill your charkra sytem and meridian lines with fear programing . she has pics of graphics that show them made out of metal . i keep breathing into this spot onmy head the energy drips into my mouth that has a metal taste like when your stoned and dont get the whole wraper off a hershy kiss and eat it . i paid for her service to get implants removed because of that . she told me i had a anuucki implant in my 3 rd eye i took her 2 sessions to remove it . inbetween the 2 sessions my brother records a episode of sienfeild on a dvd recorder and watches it around 11 o clock im sitting at the computer and here someone on the show say hows that for a coincidence and its 11 11 on the clock. next i pay for a kundalin activation service from alloya a few weeks later . i was checking my downloads on soulseek around 11 20 and noticed someone sent me a message at 11 11 and right as i noticed that a box pops up that says have mail from alloya . the mail was about how she woke up my kundalini and there where blocks in the root the one of above it the solor pelux was clear then my soul told he to stop or it will overload my body she said to e mail her back in a month and she finish it with nomore pay . also in 1999 there was this guy on deoxy.org a discordian futant cthulu worshiper called octopus dancer who kept trying to start a orgy on the date 11 11 i read the story on his site then saw waves turn into tenticals and would trip on that chulthlu was going to eat my soul when i disvolved into oneness . i would think apc lyrics and the lyric off nins the fragil that went the folls devotion swolled up in emty space the tears of regret flowing down the side of his face was about that . there was a demented uncle in octopusdancers story how tured out to be lucifer . i read thru alloyas site before she channeled anything about 11 11 to get my mind of chthulu . i found the link on spritweb under a interveiw with druval malkedik or how ever you spell that merkaba teachers name s interveiw i e mailed alloya and she told me i was goig thru the lucifer process . she has a story about a demon called delucy trying to eat someones soul in the land of maya avoloni on her site too . then was reading a list i was lurking on a guy with lucifer in his name was saying the light is a trap thing is a joke . i had sychnictys conected with alloyas book and the cosmic trigger too ill post about that in a forum not about song lyrics. one more thing she has stars you click on her site i was listining to the lyrics The universe is hostile
So impersonal
Devour to survive
So it is, so it's always been ... right as i clicked on a star that says you are working withlucifers energy . she teaches that the universal mind made lucifer so he could create a place of daulity where no one would rember we are part of god and all one . in 1999 she said lucifer was released from st michaels mount in cornwall england .

No offense but, were you physically sitting there with a bed pan on her death bed? Most of what you've said was very well put and thought out but this is just flat out lame making a connection between his "god damn, shit the bed" line and his mother actually shitting herself as she died. As a matter fact it's pretty sick that you would even bring it up.

I inflate my penius with my keyboard...does that count?

Hey now, you thought the same thing of me before you got to know me better. =-P

What in the FUCK was that?

Yeah, it is pretty sick, but that's the whole point. I didn't bring it up. The guy who wrote the lyrics for this particular album is the one joking about shitting the bed in an album that is named after a song that was written to eulogize his mother, who undoubtedly experienced that very thing as she died. If it's "lame" to make that connection in the first place, then why joke about it on the same album?

No one has to be present to know that someone who dies from complications related to paralysis from a stroke does so in bed. Perhaps she was in a wheel chair at the time, but that makes little difference. It's not like she was out there playing murder ball and took one to the skull. Maynard knew that this particular usage of humor would be very black when juxtaposed with the album's title track.

Good points octopod.

yes of course my good friend but your intelligent. I have different thoughts about this resolution character. Good Day. Maybe there is a diamond in the ruff...Maybe not.

Maybe there is a foot in your mouth...Maybe not because it's up your ass.

Perhaps you're unaware of what differentiates your head from your ass and may be quite confused as to which is which.

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

Resolution...I dont feel the need to fuel your fire anymore to recieve these ridiculous comments you enjoy saying so try to grow up than maybe we can have an intelligent conversation.

LOL....

I'm sayin'.

Sorry i didnt see this thread before i started one of my own. but there is a connection:

http://www.nvisible.com/

its not just the 11:11 being a digital number. its just he number 11 that is significant. In Tarot 11 is a master number as is 22.

here are some interesting ideas of 11 (also in the song Jimmy)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11_(number))

they even mention the song Jimmy there...

The atomic number of sodium.
In chemistry, Group 11 includes the three coinage metals copper, silver, and gold known from antiquity.
The number of spacetime dimensions in M-theory.
Apollo 11 was the first manned spacecraft to land on the Moon.
The approximate periodicity is 11 years in sunspot cycle.

The interval of an octave and a fourth is an eleventh. A complete eleventh chord has almost every note of a diatonic scale.
The band Primus has a song "Eleven" on their Album Sailing the Seas of Cheese that is in 11/8 time.
The band Tool has a song "jimmy" on their Album Ćnima which includes many instances of the number eleven.
The stylized maple leaf on the Flag of Canada has eleven points.
The Canadian one-dollar coin is a hendecagon, an eleven-sided polygon.
Clocks depicted on Canadian currency, for example the Canadian fifty-dollar bill, show 11:00.
In Astrology, Aquarius is the 11th astrological sign of the Zodiac.
In tarot, card no. 11 is "Justice".

its just one of those numbers that are everywhere and people pick up on it. may not have any significance!

HOLY FUCKIN SHIT! (pun intended)

wow, some fans go pretty far for this stuff...

There are no words to describe that.

They are trying to tell us that when we drink Sunkist and take large amounts of sudafed we will see various 1's.

Interesting thought. when i take large amounts of sudafed and sunkist i dont really see 1's...

You have to REALLY want to see them.

Do eyes count as 1's? i was just wondering. and what about other distorted images?

No. No they don't.