opin.menu.register.jpgopin.menu.members.jpgopin.menu.forumfaq.jpgopin.menu.search.jpgopin.menu.home.jpgview our wiki

Go Back  The Tool Page: Opinion » Tool » Albums » 10,000 Days » 01. Vicarious
User Name
Password
Reply
Old 01-22-2010, 09:02 AM   #1
Level 4 - Thinker
 
jenocide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: 419
Posts: 20
Bincount™: 0
halls of hospital

this could be his walk down the halls of a hospital unit..behind each door a different story bad or good only one way its ends for those pass'n by...vicarious
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2010, 02:00 PM   #2
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: San Fernando Valley
Posts: 717
Bincount™: 391
Re: halls of hospital

how does this relate to the lyrics (more specifically)?
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 12:15 AM   #3
Level 4 - Thinker
 
jenocide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: 419
Posts: 20
Bincount™: 0
Re: halls of hospital

in every hopsital room is a tv..right in front of the guest aka sick/die'n person..nurses almost always put the news on..leaving em stear at the tv like zombies..each person has a differant story..so the story goes..as a visitor he could only look thru the doors watching from a distance or in passing...much better them/u then i
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 12:48 AM   #4
Jedi Master
 
Rolo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Yavin IV
Posts: 4,033
Bincount™: 2635
Re: halls of hospital

Quote:
Originally Posted by jenocide View Post
..nurses almost always put the news on..leaving em stear at the tv like zombies..
You have a huge sense of imagination.
__________________
JOIN THE ACADEMY
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 01:20 AM   #5
I, lengthened eon
 
Enlightened One's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Transfixus sed non mortuus
Posts: 171
Bincount™: 144
Re: halls of hospital

Quote:
Originally Posted by jenocide View Post
in every hopsital room is a tv..right in front of the guest aka sick/die'n person..nurses almost always put the news on..leaving em stear at the tv like zombies..each person has a differant story..so the story goes..as a visitor he could only look thru the doors watching from a distance or in passing...much better them/u then i
Thats an interesting theory. I don't think that your really getting the meaning of Vicarious. Listen to the song many, many, many more times. OK? At least read the lyrics a couple times. Think what you want to think but there is no way that this song is about a hosptal hallway.
__________________
"It's like going to a zoo blindfolded! So much fun!"

B.B.S.C. For life!
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 05:00 AM   #6
homer jay
 
slamminsalmon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Wtvl, Maine
Posts: 6,067
Bincount™: 4656
Re: halls of hospital

i dont think you have been in a hospital much.
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 05:25 AM   #7
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: San Fernando Valley
Posts: 717
Bincount™: 391
Re: halls of hospital

Quote:
Originally Posted by Enlightened One View Post
Thats an interesting theory. I don't think that your really getting the meaning of Vicarious. Listen to the song many, many, many more times. OK? At least read the lyrics a couple times. Think what you want to think but there is no way that this song is about a hosptal hallway.
The hospital idea is interesting. I took the lyrics and started thinking how could a hospital hallway relate to the lyrics. The outcome of my thinking might differ from the OP's one, but maybe it could develop the conversation to new branches.

Quote:
Eye on the TV
'cause tragedy thrills me
Whatever flavor it happens to be

Like:
"Killed by the husband" ...
"Drowned by the ocean" ...
"Shot by his own son" ...
"She used a poison in his tea,
Then (she) kissed him goodbye"
That's my kind of story
It's no fun til someone dies.
Watching the televisions and the patients as walking by the rooms in the hospital. The news in the television seems so distant and thrilling. However, when looking at the patients it is more real and "its no fun till someone dies" since they represent the people behind the news, who have survived some tragedy and now have to live it.

Quote:
Don't look at me like I am a monster
Frown out your one face, but with the other (you)
Stare like a junkie into the TV
Stare like a zombie while the mother holds her child,
Watches him die,
Hands to the sky cryin "why, oh why?"
Maybe the patient in one room notices your tragedy tourism and gives you disrespectful face, but in reality the patient is just like you - the only difference is that the patient follows the TV.

Quote:
Cause I need to watch things die from a distance
Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies
You all need it too - don't lie.

Why can't we just admit it?
Why can't we just admit it?
We won't give pause until the blood is flowin'
Neither the brave nor bold
Nor brightest of stories told
We won't give pause until the blood is flowin'

I need to watch things die from a good safe distance
Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies
You all feel the same so why can't we just admit it?
We all benefit from tragedies, and it would be rad to acknowledge it.

Quote:
Blood like rain fallin' down
Drum on grave and ground

Part vampire, part warrior,
Carnivore and voyeur
Stare at the transmittal.
Sing to the death rattle.

La, la, la, la, la, la, la-lie (x4)
Now you get to the person you are supposed to visit in the hospital. He is not in good condition and the situation does not look good for him.

You stare at the heart rate machine that reflects his bad condition, but you decide to talk positive and sing the lies to the death rattle.

One some level you might benefit from the situation, on some other level you do not. You are part vampire, part warrior.

Quote:
Credulous at best
Your desire to believe in
Angels in the hearts of men.
But pull your head on out (of) your hippie haze
And give a listen
Shouldn't have to say it all again

The universe is hostile
So impersonal
Devour to survive
So it is, so it's always been ...
The patient talks about what if some miracle happens through some person/doctor and his state would be improved drastically.

However, you know this would not be the case. You think the patient should take a look around at the other patients and how everyone else are just hanging there for their own survival.

Quote:
We all feed on tragedy.
It's like blood to a vampire.
The tragedies are everywhere, and in some form or another we all benefit from it.

Quote:
Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies
Much better you than I.
Now you are leaving the hospital, and for sure you do not want to be in the place of some of those patients.

Last edited by 0.618; 01-25-2010 at 05:32 AM..
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 03:17 PM   #8
Level 12 - Scurrilous
 
Inner_Eulogy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Chicago
Posts: 6,480
Bincount™: 135
Re: halls of hospital

It's quite a bit of a stretch but I can't knock it considering it's at least logical
__________________
"WITHOUT A LITTLE EVIL, GOOD WOULD NEVER EXIST"
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 10:23 PM   #9
Level 4 - Thinker
 
jenocide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: 419
Posts: 20
Bincount™: 0
Re: halls of hospital

Quote:
Originally Posted by slamminsalmon View Post
i dont think you have been in a hospital much.
as a two time cancer survivor my stays at hospital were many starting as a 23 yr old recieving radiation..when 10,000 days come to light a friend gave it too me for spiritual guidance when my soul was broken..go'n thru my second war w/chemo and hyprobaric treatments from 2004 thru 2007..a 2 months stay at one point in 2005 in a hospis unit aka place where ppl go to die..8 surgerys and countless number of needles later beating the odds again something i am very proud of..Judiths wings gave me hope/energy...maynards voice gave me honey...and the music gave me insight/uplifted me
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2010, 05:10 AM   #10
homer jay
 
slamminsalmon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Wtvl, Maine
Posts: 6,067
Bincount™: 4656
Re: halls of hospital

if thats the case, you have been in a hospital too much, regardless i dont see it.

best of luck with surviving and your bills.
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2010, 12:18 AM   #11
Level 4 - Thinker
 
jenocide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: 419
Posts: 20
Bincount™: 0
Re: halls of hospital

Eye on the TV
'cause tragedy thrills me
Whatever flavor it happens to be
Like:
"Killed by the husband" ...
"Drowned by the ocean" ...
"Shot by his own son" ...
"She used a poison in his tea,
Then (she) kissed him goodbye"
That's my kind of story
It's no fun til someone dies

(one eye on the tv the other on the patient that is sleep'n/or rest'n
we have all heard the say'n its all fun in games til someone gets hurt
then all eyes are on you as the blood flows)
-
Don't look at me like I am a monster
Frown out your one face, but with the other (you)
Stare like a junkie into the TV
Stare like a zombie while the mother holds her child,
Watches him die,
Hands to the sky cryin "why, oh why?"

(as he passed by rooms sees a mother w/her child
he/maynard throws up hands...asking why?
even as the mother looks at him like a monster for pry'n
one face frowns cause patient is hooked into iv's in front of tv junkie/zombie
the other face be'n unable to turn away
from the tragedy around him like a junkie/zombie himself

_

Cause I need to watch things die from a distance
But Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies
You all need it too - don't lie.
Why can't we just admit it?
Why can't we just admit it?
We won't give pause until the blood is flowin'

(when looking at handycap/sickly ppl
say to oneself.."glad that isnt me"
but we dont say it out loud even as feeling stronger ourselves)
_

Neither the brave nor bold
Nor brightest of stories told
We won't give pause until the blood is flowin'
I need to watch things die from a good safe distance
Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies
You all feel the same so why can't we just admit it?

(could be telling a brave story of survival brightest story ever told
when someone screams fire everyone goes running to the scene
we all feel releaved knowing its not someone we know
even better if its not us...as we watch from a safe distance)
_

Blood like rain fallin' down
Drum on grave and ground

(the more blood the more ppl watch
closer to death the patient the more ppl come)

_

Part vampire, part warrior,
Carnivore and voyeur
Stare at the transmittal.
Sing to the death rattle.
La, la, la, la, la, la, la-lie (x4)

(a movement causes him/maynard to rememeber the patient
whos pale as a vampire
yet fighting a good fight like a warrior
feels the voyeur for being caught pry'n
but still we lie never amit'n we're glad it isnt us)
-
Credulous at best
Your desire to believe in
Angels in the hearts of men.
pull your head on out (of) your hippie haze
And give a listen
Shouldn't have to say it all again

(they didnt come running to recue the victim of the accedent
outta the goodness of they'r hearts/hippie love and unity
""also the time/60's when handycap got more services"
but to watch carnage/gore to be lookie lue's
_

The universe is hostile
So impersonal
Devour to survive
So it is, so it's always been ...
We all feed on tragedy.
It's like blood to a vampire
Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies
Much better you than I.

(when two galaxies collide..one devours the other
its nothing personal...the stronger eats the weak
it just is as its always been..aka dog eat dog world
and we like it that way as long as its not us..
and i'll/maynard watch until it is but at least i/maynard amits it
hes the stronger one for amit'n it..
while watching from 3 points of view)
1-watching the patient
2-watching on tv
3-walking thru the hallls watching tragedy
alive while what seemed at the time...whole world dies
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2010, 06:47 AM   #12
homer jay
 
slamminsalmon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Wtvl, Maine
Posts: 6,067
Bincount™: 4656
Re: halls of hospital

sounds like a good music video. open it with lost keys, doing a long shot a nurse walking down the same hallway. im thinking of her feet in the shot, with a long dolly from behind. focus would be on the floor itself. something like a black and white checkerboard pattern. the whole doctor dialogue could show the three in a room. the doctors feet, the nurses feet, then the patients feet, dangling from exam table. then into vicarious.

Last edited by slamminsalmon; 01-27-2010 at 06:53 AM..
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2010, 11:51 PM   #13
I, lengthened eon
 
Enlightened One's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Transfixus sed non mortuus
Posts: 171
Bincount™: 144
Re: halls of hospital

Quote:
Originally Posted by jenocide View Post
Eye on the TV
'cause tragedy thrills me
Whatever flavor it happens to be
Like:
"Killed by the husband" ...
"Drowned by the ocean" ...
"Shot by his own son" ...
"She used a poison in his tea,
Then (she) kissed him goodbye"
That's my kind of story
It's no fun til someone dies

(one eye on the tv the other on the patient that is sleep'n/or rest'n
we have all heard the say'n its all fun in games til someone gets hurt
then all eyes are on you as the blood flows)
-
Don't look at me like I am a monster
Frown out your one face, but with the other (you)
Stare like a junkie into the TV
Stare like a zombie while the mother holds her child,
Watches him die,
Hands to the sky cryin "why, oh why?"

(as he passed by rooms sees a mother w/her child
he/maynard throws up hands...asking why?
even as the mother looks at him like a monster for pry'n
one face frowns cause patient is hooked into iv's in front of tv junkie/zombie
the other face be'n unable to turn away
from the tragedy around him like a junkie/zombie himself

_

Cause I need to watch things die from a distance
But Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies
You all need it too - don't lie.
Why can't we just admit it?
Why can't we just admit it?
We won't give pause until the blood is flowin'

(when looking at handycap/sickly ppl
say to oneself.."glad that isnt me"
but we dont say it out loud even as feeling stronger ourselves)
_

Neither the brave nor bold
Nor brightest of stories told
We won't give pause until the blood is flowin'
I need to watch things die from a good safe distance
Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies
You all feel the same so why can't we just admit it?

(could be telling a brave story of survival brightest story ever told
when someone screams fire everyone goes running to the scene
we all feel releaved knowing its not someone we know
even better if its not us...as we watch from a safe distance)
_

Blood like rain fallin' down
Drum on grave and ground

(the more blood the more ppl watch
closer to death the patient the more ppl come)

_

Part vampire, part warrior,
Carnivore and voyeur
Stare at the transmittal.
Sing to the death rattle.
La, la, la, la, la, la, la-lie (x4)

(a movement causes him/maynard to rememeber the patient
whos pale as a vampire
yet fighting a good fight like a warrior
feels the voyeur for being caught pry'n
but still we lie never amit'n we're glad it isnt us)
-
Credulous at best
Your desire to believe in
Angels in the hearts of men.
pull your head on out (of) your hippie haze
And give a listen
Shouldn't have to say it all again

(they didnt come running to recue the victim of the accedent
outta the goodness of they'r hearts/hippie love and unity
""also the time/60's when handycap got more services"
but to watch carnage/gore to be lookie lue's
_

The universe is hostile
So impersonal
Devour to survive
So it is, so it's always been ...
We all feed on tragedy.
It's like blood to a vampire
Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies
Much better you than I.

(when two galaxies collide..one devours the other
its nothing personal...the stronger eats the weak
it just is as its always been..aka dog eat dog world
and we like it that way as long as its not us..
and i'll/maynard watch until it is but at least i/maynard amits it
hes the stronger one for amit'n it..
while watching from 3 points of view)
1-watching the patient
2-watching on tv
3-walking thru the hallls watching tragedy
alive while what seemed at the time...whole world dies
Way over thought and way over analyzed. This song is simply about the human need to see death and tragedy. Mostly how americans feed on it through the mass media outlets. Thats it. We feed on it and its much better someone else than me. I would explain more but its pointless. Just listen to the song and read through the lyrics again. Im not bashing your thoughts but they are not aimed at the true meaning of this song.
__________________
"It's like going to a zoo blindfolded! So much fun!"

B.B.S.C. For life!
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2010, 03:05 AM   #14
Jedi Master
 
Rolo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Yavin IV
Posts: 4,033
Bincount™: 2635
Re: halls of hospital

Quote:
Originally Posted by Enlightened One View Post
Way over thought and way over analyzed. This song is simply about the human need to see death and tragedy. Mostly how americans feed on it through the mass media outlets. Thats it. We feed on it and its much better someone else than me. I would explain more but its pointless. Just listen to the song and read through the lyrics again. Im not bashing your thoughts but they are not aimed at the true meaning of this song.
I agree.
__________________
JOIN THE ACADEMY
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2010, 08:21 AM   #15
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: San Fernando Valley
Posts: 717
Bincount™: 391
Re: halls of hospital

Quote:
Originally Posted by Enlightened One View Post
This song is simply about the human need to see death and tragedy. Mostly how americans feed on it through the mass media outlets. Thats it.
I think it is not just about seeing, we actually live because of someone else tragedy. I think just saying it is about "seeing death and tragedy" is not all of it.

The universe is hostile
So impersonal
Devour to survive
So it is, so it's always been ...
We all feed on tragedy.
It's like blood to a vampire
Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies
Much better you than I.

Quote:
Way over thought and way over analyzed...

...This song is simply about...

..the true meaning of this song.
If your reply was supposed to falsify jenocide's interpretation, this is not the way to do it. There were not any argument why it was not close to "true meaning".

I say: "I think this candy tastes sweet".
You say: "That is not true, because I think it tastes bad".


Of course, one could wonder if there is any point to use term "true meaning" when talking about interpretations of this song..
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2010, 01:50 AM   #16
On Probation
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: W-MA S-VT
Posts: 92
Bincount™: 0
Re: halls of hospital

I like bunnies because they hop.
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2010, 02:13 AM   #17
I, lengthened eon
 
Enlightened One's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Transfixus sed non mortuus
Posts: 171
Bincount™: 144
Re: halls of hospital

Quote:
Originally Posted by RayBourque777 View Post
I like bunnies because they hop.
Sometimes
__________________
"It's like going to a zoo blindfolded! So much fun!"

B.B.S.C. For life!
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2010, 02:17 AM   #18
On Probation
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: W-MA S-VT
Posts: 92
Bincount™: 0
Re: halls of hospital

Except on Mondays and Thursday's, when it's snowing, the stars are aligned and if the moon is 7/8 full and something is on fire.
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2010, 03:29 AM   #19
Jedi Master
 
Rolo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Yavin IV
Posts: 4,033
Bincount™: 2635
Re: halls of hospital

Take that shit to the bin, people.
__________________
JOIN THE ACADEMY
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2010, 04:09 AM   #20
I, lengthened eon
 
Enlightened One's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Transfixus sed non mortuus
Posts: 171
Bincount™: 144
Re: halls of hospital

Quote:
Originally Posted by 0.618 View Post
Of course, one could wonder if there is any point to use term "true meaning" when talking about interpretations of this song..
You are right about the "true meaning" comment. I should have just stuck with "they are not aimed at the meaning of this song." It was a very poor choice of words. But I still stick to the rest of my statement.
__________________
"It's like going to a zoo blindfolded! So much fun!"

B.B.S.C. For life!
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2010, 10:38 PM   #21
Level 4 - Thinker
 
jenocide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: 419
Posts: 20
Bincount™: 0
Re: halls of hospital

a different way to look at vicarious..thru others eyes..we cant all see the same thing when listening or we wouldnt be individuals..wouldnt need this opinion page..we would all just magically know..its meant to mean different things to each..there's no guide line say's this is what it should mean to all..i do realize its about feeding off tragedies thats a given..pretty much spelled that out for us...like my view better then the norm "human/americans need to feed off death and tragedy thru mass media" so baseline..if ur not bashing my thoughts then why tell me to listen again and again..your pissing on my back only to tell me its rain
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 12:39 AM   #22
I, lengthened eon
 
Enlightened One's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Transfixus sed non mortuus
Posts: 171
Bincount™: 144
Re: halls of hospital

Quote:
Originally Posted by jenocide View Post
a different way to look at vicarious..thru others eyes..we cant all see the same thing when listening or we wouldnt be individuals..wouldnt need this opinion page..we would all just magically know..its meant to mean different things to each..there's no guide line say's this is what it should mean to all..i do realize its about feeding off tragedies thats a given..pretty much spelled that out for us...like my view better then the norm "human/americans need to feed off death and tragedy thru mass media" so baseline..if ur not bashing my thoughts then why tell me to listen again and again..your pissing on my back only to tell me its rain
You are correct. I am sorry for my ignorance in my past posts on this thread. I do not have the right, and it is not my place to say that your interpretation of this song is not aimed at the meaning of this song. Songs mean different things to all of us and we all have our own views of things and free thought is one of the things that makes us human and what we are. Your view of what this song could mean is very interesting, and considering the fact that you have spent quite some time in a hospital, it is unique. I myself was in a hospital for 17 days recently after a bad bike accident and I can see where your coming from. Again, I am sorry.
__________________
"It's like going to a zoo blindfolded! So much fun!"

B.B.S.C. For life!
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2010, 10:00 PM   #23
Level 5 - Deep Thinker
 
okman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Inside, without sunglasses
Posts: 50
Bincount™: 0
Re: halls of hospital

Quote:
Originally Posted by Enlightened One View Post
You are correct. I am sorry for my ignorance in my past posts on this thread. I do not have the right, and it is not my place to say that your interpretation of this song is not aimed at the meaning of this song. Songs mean different things to all of us and we all have our own views of things and free thought is one of the things that makes us human and what we are. Your view of what this song could mean is very interesting, and considering the fact that you have spent quite some time in a hospital, it is unique. I myself was in a hospital for 17 days recently after a bad bike accident and I can see where your coming from. Again, I am sorry.
We shouldn't try to analyze every aspect of every song we love, just to fully enjoy it. Tool Is The epitamy of letting yourself "go", therefore take it as it comes, and bang your head a couple of times in the mean time.
__________________
I took the red one
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2021, 01:03 AM   #24
Level 2 - Poster
 
Join Date: Apr 2021
Location: Miami Beach
Posts: 6
Bincount™: 0
Re: halls of hospital

This is a very interesting topic. My sister worked as a nurse in a large hospital, but then she had to quit and she could not find a job for a long time. Thanks to a good review https://edureviewer.com/best-nurse-r...ting-services/ my sister managed to learn how to write a good nursing resume and now she is again helping people restore their health.
OFFLINE |   Reply With Quote


Reply

Rate This Thread
You have already rated this thread
« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Quick Reply
Your Reply:
Forum Jump

all posts © their respective authors. the tool page is not responsible for any of their thoughts, brilliant or otherwise.