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Old 09-19-2006, 12:55 PM   #81
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Re: 2006/09/19 - Madison, WI - Kohl Center

yeah...why not reschedule?

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San Antonio may be bigger than Dallas, but the Dallas metro area is way bigger than the San Antonio metro area.
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WOW! Fuck them!
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Re: 2006/09/19 - Madison, WI - Kohl Center

well, i joined the forums to tell you guys this and well to be a prt of them in the future too. I have never seen tool in concert, and I live an hour from madison. I have never had my hopes up this high for anything in a long time and I cannot comprehend it. I think of it like a death, it is like it is still there, but yet no longer exists. I don't care for the reason of it being cancelled, but no rescheduling due to orchard season? WTF!!!! I had a good ticket with my friends going along and there a few things I like to do every couple of years. I would have been wasting gas going there if it weren't for my random searching online for tool reviews on this page. I see people's reasons for the cancellation and that brings me back to my original opinion of TOOL. Fuck them! There are no good shows EVER in wisconsin, and I doubt tool will ever come back here again. I am so sorely dissapointed..i dont know what else to say. I cant fucking believe it!
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Re: 2006/09/19 - Madison, WI - Kohl Center

Man, this sucks. This was supposed to be my first Tool show, and I was really looking forward to it, I discovered the band 3 years ago and this is how long I have been waiting for the show. I am so mad I got rid of my Chicago ticket, when I heard about this show.
I just do not agree with the show being completely cancelled. San Antonio is postponed and Madison is cancelled. From what I understand they played in Madison, Milwaukee and even Green Bay last year, so why not play Milwaukee this year. I just do not get that.
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There are good shows in Wisconsin, but I agree that Tool probably isn't coming back to Madison at least. Primus won't cancel...

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Yeah, im all with ya there. Why did they cancel really? I mean if they cared about fans theyd show up in october. The only venue this year was the kohl center, and there werent that many tickets left over for him to cancel, believe me.
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There are good shows in Wisconsin, but I agree that Tool probably isn't coming back to Madison at least. Primus won't cancel...

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well, i mean yeah the rave has everyone come to it, but i mean lately...i go to college full time and I just cant find anything this year.
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Why can't they just be honest and say it was ticket sales coupled with Maynard not feeling exactly 100%? I gurantee it's a combo of the 2, but using this veil to hide the truth only makes the situation worse. Lying never works, especially on such a big scale as this.
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^^ I agree... man I thought that TOOL was a band that wouldn't be taken over by money.. but I guess eventually they all do... I've lost alot of respect for them.. does a band exist that performs just because they enjoy it?
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if tool is a band that has succumb to the almighty dollar, than why didn't they put on the Madison show, and keep the money vs. cancelling and offering a refund? why hasn't tool put out music videos to play on mtv for some extra cash? and why dont you see millions of product advertisements with the band members in them? yes, it was rude to cancel this show, but the San Antonio show is in a precarious situation because of so many booking factors, and the band has no idea of when they will be able to reschedule so the San Antonians (?) are just as pissed as those with tickets for the Madison show
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I actually help book bands in Madison, and I was crushed by the news. I talked to some of my associates (some of whom also do work with Frank Productions... the promoter for the show) and from my understanding the cancellation of the show was on the account of ticket sales and the promoter was behind the cancellation...not the band. The incident may infact be that a member was sick and the show could not occur tonight, but the reason it was not rescheduled was in correlation with ticket sales.
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I actually help book bands in Madison, and I was crushed by the news. I talked to some of my associates (some of whom also do work with Frank Productions... the promoter for the show) and from my understanding the cancellation of the show was on the account of ticket sales and the promoter was behind the cancellation...not the band. The incident may infact be that a member was sick and the show could not occur tonight, but the reason it was not rescheduled was in correlation with ticket sales.
Just great, but i guarantee you if they cared enough and prmoted earlier they could sell out the kohl center no problem!
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Sad to say, but the initial sale of tickets on uwbadgers.com may have hurt this show. Sad, because I hate Ticketmaster and there horse crap convenience charges but if this show was initially sold on Ticketmaster (and announced when the Chicago and Minnesota shows were) it may have sold better. I blame it on that... and the hippies :)
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Its not Madison that is the fault of poor tickets sales. First off, the chicago and minnesota shows near by went on sale 3 months early, so most bought tickets for those first. And the lack of promoting this show (it wasn't even on toolband.com, or ticketmaster) lead to more poor sales.

Metallica sold out the Alliant Energy Center in Madison in 22 minutes. Had this show been annouced and promoted properly, it could have been that way.

Its not the end of the world that the show is not happening, its shitty, but they probably be back with the tour next year. I'm just pissed that I had some great tickets (front row) and I probably won't be as fortunate next time around...
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Yea, I was so excited that this show was the "Underground" show of the tour. I thought they might play a different setlist or something. I had second row center!! I doubt I will fare as well when I try to get the same tickets for a "Properly Promoted" show. I think maynard should pay whatever I have to pay the scalpers to get in the second row if/when they come around again!!

Not rescheduling is a bitch move!!!!

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What happened in Madison?!?!?!

I can’t believe they canceled the show. I have been looking forward to seeing Tool since the last time I saw them, four years ago. Now, it looks like I may never see them again!!!! As many people have duly noted, MJK has been sick all week, but he have been able muster-up the strength to perform each night. I understand that ticket sales may have been dismal, but that shouldn’t matter. Each Tool fan is just an important as the other, and seeing that Tool rarely tours, they should be trying their hardest to perform in each location. The fact that this show was simply canceled instead of rescheduled is even more disheartening. The other show that was canceled was rescheduled. Why the hell doesn’t Wisconsin get the same respect? If they were so concerned with ticket sales, why didn’t they come to Milwaukee instead of Madison? The last time they toured, they came to Milwaukee and the place was almost packed. When perfect circle came to Milwaukee the show was almost sold out. So why Madison? But I guess that is beside the point. If MJK was sick, I’m very sorry to hear that, but they should promptly reschedule. If they don’t miss any other dates, and they never reschedule for Milwaukee, I will be very offended. Tool fans deserve more respect than this.
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Since this was such an odd show (booked late, low ticket sales) I doubt they will come back next year. I hope i'm wrong. I think another thing Frank Productions didnt take in account was the day-of ticket sales. College kids procrastinate for everything and I'm sure there would have been a big about of day-of sales. Its a shitty situation, but there isn't anything any of us can really do about it. Its just sad that music is about the business and not the art. If I had put this gig together, they would be one of the VERY few bands that in this situation I would have stuck with, and rescheduled the show. Besides it was a night of class and I know half my friends would have gone if they didn't have a) class tonite or b) a test tomorrow. The whole gig seemed to have been thrown together sloppily (is that a word?) and its sad because it was a great loss.

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Sad to say, but the initial sale of tickets on uwbadgers.com may have hurt this show. Sad, because I hate Ticketmaster and there horse crap convenience charges but if this show was initially sold on Ticketmaster (and announced when the Chicago and Minnesota shows were) it may have sold better. I blame it on that... and the hippies :)
I also think a lot has to do with the uwbadgers system. It was such a mess the day the tickets went on sale. The university really needs to think twice about using that as their method of selling tickets. Either a) beef up the server to make everything go faster or b) and i'm sad to say this... just leave it to ticketbastard.
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tool should also consider changing the setlist up maybe a little bit night to night. it would give you more incentive to maybe catch them more than 1 time on this tour and lead to more ticket sales.
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Either way, the fact maynard had the gall to say "im too sick for a 90% sold show" is bullshit enough. He wants his fans to experience the music and the show, not him. So ultimately, why didnt we get that? Dont give me that fuckin bullshit about the poor ticket sales or sickness.....I have had the balls to show up to important meetings etc, that turned out to be inconsequential when I had mono and worse.
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if they would have reschedule it they could have tryed to promote the show better.
Got A second Chance, If that was there big thing for cancelling
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What a bunch of selfish pricks. I'm glad they've dumped Madison. You don't think Tool cares about it's fans because they cancelled your show???? Believe it or not you whiners were the sacrificial lambs. Because Madison (and it's poor tickets sales and whiney "fans") is now out of the way, Maynard & co can now have several days to recover so they can perform, in top form, to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of ADORING fans who appreciate their effort. The problem with Tools fanbase is there is a small but vocal portion that think they know everything, they complain about everything, and they seem to feel like the band "owes" them everything. These same asshats all probably downloaded 10K. Tool don't owe you shit. But now the laugh is on you. You got what you deserved; hind tit.

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What a bunch of selfish pricks. I'm glad they've dumped Madison. You don't think Tool cares about it's fans because they cancelled your show???? Believe it or not you whiners were the sacrificial lambs. Because Madison (and it's poor tickets sales and whiney "fans") is now out of the way, Maynard & co can now have several days to recover so they can perform, in top form, to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of ADORING fans who appreciate their effort. The problem with Tools fanbase is there is a small but vocal portion that think they know everything, they complain about everything, and they seem to feel like the band "owes" them everything. These same asshats all probably downloaded 10K. Tool don't owe you shit. But now the laugh is on you. You got what you deserved; hind tit.
What the hell are you talking about? Tool DO owe them something if they've paid for tickets and put time aside to see a scheduled show. They're not being selfish at all, though I do agree that having a go at Maynard is out of order. If he's sick, he can't sing - it's as simple as that. If they're not rescheduling it, take it up with the promotors.
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Either way, the fact maynard had the gall to say "im too sick for a 90% sold show" is bullshit enough. He wants his fans to experience the music and the show, not him. So ultimately, why didnt we get that? Dont give me that fuckin bullshit about the poor ticket sales or sickness.....I have had the balls to show up to important meetings etc, that turned out to be inconsequential when I had mono and worse.

Where did you get that quote from Maynard. If he did actually say that I have lost alot of respect for him.

Another thing is last time they played in Milwaukee Maynard was sick and he did not sing most of the songs. There was proable a 20-30 minute guitar solo in there to, why could they not have done the same thing here. To me it all boils down to ticket sales, which due to the late notice of the concert was not Madisons fault.

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You would think this was the end of the world. Truly fortunate are those who have so much to complain about something so insignificant.
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If this were any other show I would not care less, but the fact I base all of my philosophy and most of my activities from TOOL, then yeah it is very significant. If you think it just music, then why do you post here? They had poor promotion etc, and if I were maynard i would never stress my throat further to ruin future bigger shows. But, the fact of the matter is I doubt san antonio was sold out and they rescheduled that. He does owe to come to wisconsin again on this tour, as I was paid in full (expensive) to continue my life's work and now I cant thanks to a rare venue.
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I gotta say, I'd been looking forward to seeing these guys for the first time yesterday, a day after my birthday, and it was just devestating for me to hear that it was cancelled. While I can understand if you are sick to not want to perform, but to not reschedule due to ticket sales is just selfish. The ones who weren't buying those extra tickets were the ones who were pissed because they couldn't force their way up front to be in a mosh pit. The ones who went and stood in line for tickets to be close to one of the greatests modern musical groups were the ones who wanted to sit/stand on their seats and just enjoy the music, which I would understand Maynard to want anyways. I know Bill Hicks is a big influence on them, and he'd have wanted nothing more than to get his message across to the few who truly appreciate it, touring constantly despite illness or anything, and Tool would have found more of those who appreciate their musicallity and message in Madison, WI than in many many of the places that were sold out.
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Ummmmmmm... There's your problem right there...
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What a bunch of selfish pricks. I'm glad they've dumped Madison. You don't think Tool cares about it's fans because they cancelled your show???? Believe it or not you whiners were the sacrificial lambs. Because Madison (and it's poor tickets sales and whiney "fans") is now out of the way, Maynard & co can now have several days to recover so they can perform, in top form, to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of ADORING fans who appreciate their effort. The problem with Tools fanbase is there is a small but vocal portion that think they know everything, they complain about everything, and they seem to feel like the band "owes" them everything. These same asshats all probably downloaded 10K. Tool don't owe you shit. But now the laugh is on you. You got what you deserved; hind tit.
Is your underwear permanently twisted up with your nuts or something? Quit suckling at Maynards tit for a second and grasp reality. Or are you one of those "true" fans. If taking it up the ass makes you an adoring fan, count me out.

BTW, I downloaded ten thousands day. Why? Because it's a shitty album not worth my $15. For someone who's such a stickler for whining, these "fans" sure seem to have you foaming at the mouth.

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Re: 2006/09/19 - Madison, WI - Kohl Center

Can you guys really blame Tool for skipping a date in Madison, Wisconsin.
especially when Maynard could have 2 days off to get better and in good shape for important shows on the weekend.

Quit your bitching and get out of Wisconsin.
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What a bunch of selfish pricks. I'm glad they've dumped Madison. You don't think Tool cares about it's fans because they cancelled your show???? Believe it or not you whiners were the sacrificial lambs. Because Madison (and it's poor tickets sales and whiney "fans") is now out of the way, Maynard & co can now have several days to recover so they can perform, in top form, to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of ADORING fans who appreciate their effort. The problem with Tools fanbase is there is a small but vocal portion that think they know everything, they complain about everything, and they seem to feel like the band "owes" them everything. These same asshats all probably downloaded 10K. Tool don't owe you shit. But now the laugh is on you. You got what you deserved; hind tit.

So you get a kick out of other's misfortunes? That's nice.
So the people who did buy tickets and are screwed out of the show aren't "adoring" fans who appreciate their effort?
Who's the prick here?
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Can you guys really blame Tool for skipping a date in Madison, Wisconsin.
especially when Maynard could have 2 days off to get better and in good shape for important shows on the weekend.

Quit your bitching and get out of Wisconsin.

I would take offense to that.... but then I realized you were from Canada.
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Is your underwear permanently twisted up with your nuts or something? Quit suckling at Maynards tit for a second and grasp reality. Or are you one of those "true" fans. If taking it up the ass makes you an adoring fan, count me out.

BTW, I downloaded ten thousands day. Why? Because it's a shitty album not worth my $15. For someone who's such a stickler for whining, these "fans" sure seem to have you foaming at the mouth.


Here, Here. He is right though, Madison was the sacrificial lamb...I'm not denying that. What I have a problem with is that if you think that yesterday morning was the first time Tool knew they weren't playing Madison, I have a bridge to sell you. They should have announced the Madison concert was off, as soon as San Antonio was postponed...due to illness AND low ticket sales. I could have then seen them in Chicago, which was my original plan before adding the Madison show late.
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Can I please come to a site and not get bullshit? I was going to go to the concert, just like you guys are going to future shows. Like i said, i understand the cancellation but the fact it isnt rescheduled is just total shit. And, when I said i base my philosophy off of tool....it is a very general lyric set and isnt specific. Im sorry for being intelligent you ignorant pos.
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I would take offense to that.... but then I realized you were from Canada.
yep, sucks to be in Canada with my free health care, army NOT in Iraq, and Tool concert on saturday at an awesome open air ampitheatre with 17,000 people.

btw, you know im just fucking with you guys because yr all so charged up, im sure once they get back from europe and tour other US markets again there will be a date in Milwaukee.
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Old 09-20-2006, 11:33 AM   #117
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Re: 2006/09/19 - Madison, WI - Kohl Center

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So you get a kick out of other's misfortunes? That's nice.
So the people who did buy tickets and are screwed out of the show aren't "adoring" fans who appreciate their effort?
Who's the prick here?
What makes you think I'm getting "a kick" out of this? I could care less. I'm just sick of reading all these posts by you whiney little pissants who think you're owed everything. The people who boughts tix can get their $$$ back so they're not screwed out of that. They are screwed out of a tool show. Oh well, guess what shit happens. Get over it. And if you think I'm just another fanboy, well you're wrong again. With the exception of Vicarious, the songs on this cd are their weakest cd since Opiate. This was not Maynards finest hour and 20 minutes. IMHO he phoned it in. Oh yeah, one more thing; based on the current set list, I have no plans on going to see this show either.
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Old 09-20-2006, 11:52 AM   #118
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Re: 2006/09/19 - Madison, WI - Kohl Center

Let's see...
"I'm glad they've dumped Madison."
"But now the laugh is on you. You got what you deserved"

I think that first one kinda says it all. I sure wouldn't be glad if someone else's show was dumped so the band would be rested up when they got to my city.

And to sianspheric, I know you were kidding, so was I ;)
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Old 09-20-2006, 12:13 PM   #119
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Re: 2006/09/19 - Madison, WI - Kohl Center

i love tool and ive been reading show reviews and yes at first i was pissed off they cancelled cuz i couldve gone to a chitown show, but come on people ur saying you fuckin hate tool because they wont play madison. face it, if u were huge rockstars and ur bands frontman still felt like crap and couldnt sing at 100% u might consider cancelling too. BUT there is a bright side...if u retards who say ill never see tool didnt pay attention to the reviews i do...it sounds like they are coming back to the states in '07... be smart go to the closest BIG venue when u get the chance and stop saying tool screwed you over...u bought tickets so i highly doubt u r gonna stop liking them...so to all haters....suck it up

PS-if you dont like the new album, why do u wanna go to a show based on it. and if its so terrible, how come it went platinum in less than 3 months???

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Old 09-20-2006, 12:58 PM   #120
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Re: 2006/09/19 - Madison, WI - Kohl Center

hey, I understand everybody's disappointment . . . I do a lot of business with arenas and convention centers, etc.(not rock n roll), and let me tell you, rescheduling something can be a bitch. There's a lot involved that has nothing to do with a band's desire to return or not, especially with the tight tour schedule Tool have. . . . I'm surprised they didn't canel San Antono as well. So don't burn Tool for cancelling, there may have been fuck-all they could've done about it.
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