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Old 10-06-2010, 09:54 AM   #1
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New Lateralus Info...

Remember the Fibonacci Spiral thing with Lateralus?
The numbers go 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,e tc...

I've spent the last month listening to just this song, and here are more numeral-"coincidences" in the song.

•The intro to the song is 1 minute and 12 seconds long, or, 01:12, the first 4 numbers.
•The tempo of the intro is 112 bpm.
•The intro, counted in the common 4/4 time signature, is 34 measures long, the 10th Fibonacci number!
•Maynard begins singing exactly at 1:37 into the song. 1 minute 37 seconds, or 97 seconds, is approximately 1.618% a full minute. This happens to be exactly the Golden Ratio!!
•When the 1st verse begins, the tempo jumps to average about 181 bpm. (I say average because it varies slightly through out the song, indicating the band did not use a metronome). Interestingly, the jump from 112 to 181 is the Golden Ratio!
•The riff played here is 3 sections of a repeating 9/8, 8/8, 7/8 pattern. A musician counting this in his head would count the measures as 9,8,7, 9,8,7, 9,8,7 etc... 987 is the sixteenth number in the Fibonacci sequence!!
•The basic structure of Lateralus’ verse is a 5/8 time signature repeating in sections of 8 bars each.
•The first verse is 55 seconds long.
•Also, a guitar or bass player playing through the chorus would see only these numbers in the tablature: 0, 3, 5, 8, 10 (or 1,0; also 2+3+5), and 12 (or 1,2; also 1+1+2+3+5)
•1st chorus kicks in just a half second shy of 2:33
•The breakdown at 4:47 is a 4/4 section that repeats for 54 measures, beginning a new section at measure 55.
•Maynard begins singing “Swing on the spiral” right at 6:10
•The final segment beginning at 7:21 is a slowed down 6/4 time, extended for 13 measures. Interestingly, it SHOULD be 14 measures, but the 14th measure switches comfortably but abruptly to 4/4 again, thus it does not fit into the 6/4 time.
I found that the track preceding Lateralus (in the "Holy Gift" order) is 1 min 12 seconds long, or 01:12. Remember Lateralus’ intro is 01:12. I believe they can be overdubbed perfectly!
The album, 13 tracks, is 1.3 hours in length.)
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Sometimes this place truly makes me lose ANY hope I have left in mankind.
If you had hope in one hand and shit in the other, I would suggest throwing the hope and keeping the shit. It has more value.
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And then toss the shit at you and every other Tool fan who are missing a few chromosomes?
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just because you ask questions, doesnt mean you should ask every question out loud
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And then toss the shit at you and every other Tool fan who are missing a few chromosomes?
You make is too easy dude, and I am getting disillusioned with this little pissing contest we have here. I would rather have you for a friend than an enemy, for enimies of mankind are in no short supply. However, progress and not perfection still leaves my depraved ego feeling the need for one more passive aggressive retort, and then I won't bust your balls anymore. so here goes:

It's not that we lack chromosomes, hommie, it's that you have two extra ones.
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It's not that we lack chromosomes, hommie, it's that you have two extra ones.
says the guy who just spelled 'HOMIE' hommie.
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Also, this.

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Lol "enimies"
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You had to put great effort into numerical research in Lateralus.
Wonder, how many of these are coincidences and how many were planned, after all to record the song with all of these special aspects in mind would be nearly impossible I think, some of them (or most) just came out by the way.
One thing I understand is how one can love Lateralus enough to listen to it over and over for 1 month, as I had with Schism :)
If you love "phi" I suggest you to watch "pi" (a movie by Darren Aaronofsky, cool surname btw :P)
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You had to put great effort into numerical research in Lateralus.
Wonder, how many of these are coincidences and how many were planned, after all to record the song with all of these special aspects in mind would be nearly impossible I think, some of them (or most) just came out by the way.
One thing I understand is how one can love Lateralus enough to listen to it over and over for 1 month, as I had with Schism :)
If you love "phi" I suggest you to watch "pi" (a movie by Darren Aaronofsky, cool surname btw :P)
Pi was quite an interesting movie
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When I was a little kid, my mother told me not to stare into the sun, so when I was six I did...

[drill]

Max! Max! How about 748 divided by 238. I got it! What's the answer?

When I watched Pi for first time I instantaneously noticed it's a very Toolish movie in a variety of ways. Sure you guys have to like it too :)
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Loved it!!

And yes, I also did not heed that advice (staring into the sun) when I was younger.
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Remember the Fibonacci Spiral thing with Lateralus?
The numbers go 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,e tc...

I've spent the last month listening to just this song, and here are more numeral-"coincidences" in the song.

•The intro to the song is 1 minute and 12 seconds long, or, 01:12, the first 4 numbers.
•The tempo of the intro is 112 bpm.
•The intro, counted in the common 4/4 time signature, is 34 measures long, the 10th Fibonacci number!
•Maynard begins singing exactly at 1:37 into the song. 1 minute 37 seconds, or 97 seconds, is approximately 1.618% a full minute. This happens to be exactly the Golden Ratio!!
•When the 1st verse begins, the tempo jumps to average about 181 bpm. (I say average because it varies slightly through out the song, indicating the band did not use a metronome). Interestingly, the jump from 112 to 181 is the Golden Ratio!
•The riff played here is 3 sections of a repeating 9/8, 8/8, 7/8 pattern. A musician counting this in his head would count the measures as 9,8,7, 9,8,7, 9,8,7 etc... 987 is the sixteenth number in the Fibonacci sequence!!
•The basic structure of Lateralus’ verse is a 5/8 time signature repeating in sections of 8 bars each.
•The first verse is 55 seconds long.
•Also, a guitar or bass player playing through the chorus would see only these numbers in the tablature: 0, 3, 5, 8, 10 (or 1,0; also 2+3+5), and 12 (or 1,2; also 1+1+2+3+5)
•1st chorus kicks in just a half second shy of 2:33
•The breakdown at 4:47 is a 4/4 section that repeats for 54 measures, beginning a new section at measure 55.
•Maynard begins singing “Swing on the spiral” right at 6:10
•The final segment beginning at 7:21 is a slowed down 6/4 time, extended for 13 measures. Interestingly, it SHOULD be 14 measures, but the 14th measure switches comfortably but abruptly to 4/4 again, thus it does not fit into the 6/4 time.
I found that the track preceding Lateralus (in the "Holy Gift" order) is 1 min 12 seconds long, or 01:12. Remember Lateralus’ intro is 01:12. I believe they can be overdubbed perfectly!
The album, 13 tracks, is 1.3 hours in length.)

Out of all this stuff I can't believe you couldn't figure out the only number combination of this entire song that has any relevance whatsoever.
1:37 the end of the beginning
7:31 the beginning of the end
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^what kind of statement is that? how is that any more relevant if at all?

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how many of these are coincidences and how many were planned
most I'd say are coincidence. if you spend enough time digging and manipulating, you can find anything you want to find.

I mean if there is anything to all this scared geometry, golden ratio, numerology whathaveya... the fact that they were aware that the core riff to the song was written in 9/8/7 and were thinking about the fibonacci sequnce during the writing process, and that maynard consciously paced the lyrics to count out the sequence... it would all mean that as they moved forward from that point, more ties to these "perfect numbers" (or whatever you want to call them) would come about on a subconscious level during the writing process.

So basically, if any of it is really significant, it doesnt necessarily mean it was put there intentionally. But even if it's not put there intentionally doesnt mean it's not significant.

moral of the story, go outside, get some fresh air.
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The reason this stuff is so awesome is because it is in everything. You could probably find the golden ratio in a Neil Young song if you looked at it from the right angle. Lateralus is strange because it is apparent on so many levels, but in art class I remember exploiting basic patterns to no end. This is relevant because that's kind of what Lateralus is doing, but it's not just a value scale from black to white. It's...well, what it is, an incredible song full of meaningful coincidences. I guess you could say it is exploiting the basic patterns of the matrix or reality or somehting like that. It's a spiral infinitely inwards and outwards, but beyond that it's up to you. You are an element of the fractal matrix and you can effect the whole through your "ripples". Remember, it's just a bunch of spheres, full of emptiness, bouncing around and into one another.
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Forgive me, but I'm gonnaquote Pi again:
"My new hypothesis: If we're built from Spirals while living in a giant Spiral, then is it possible that everything we put our hands to is infused with the Spiral?"
Creepy.
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Forgive me, but I'm gonnaquote Pi again:
"My new hypothesis: If we're built from Spirals while living in a giant Spiral, then is it possible that everything we put our hands to is infused with the Spiral?"
Creepy.
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this is strangely like that movie, '21'......hmmmmmm
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Any commments, questions?
Yes, comment (which also happens to be a non-direct quote from the movie Pi): If you go looking for a number you'll begin to find it everywhere.

Listen to the music, find inspiration from it, don't get lost in it.
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This album syncs up nicely with Enter the Void.
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this cannot be a coincidence
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