Hello, this week i was privileged enough to see tool for the 3rd time and it was amazing as usual. They have grown tremendously since i first saw them in 94. Anyways, i was wondering if anyone know's what the 7sided star is a symbol for?
Known as the Faerie or Elven Star, 7 pointed star is 1 of the entrances to the Faerie Realm - the gateway to the Otherworld. Each point on star represents a pathway, or the 7 rays of manisfestation of the Higher Self, as follows:
*1st point - Power, Personal Will and Determination.
*2nd point - Unconditional Love, Wisdom and Growth.
*3rd point - Knowledge and Intelligence.
*4th point - Harmony and Tranquility.
*5th point - the Powers of Mind and Science.
*6th point - Devotion and Honesty.
*7th point - Magick.
Coincidentally, another of my favourite bands is also fond of this star.
that's interesting... maybe i should study some of this sacred geometry just for fun... does anyone know about all that other stuff danny has on his drums? I'll see if I can dig up some pictures somewhere...
Thanks for the information, ive don’t some reasearch after you told me that’s its an Elven star. One of the things that is a common theme in all the research that ive done is that the Elven star is a symbol for believing in fairy's. Now i know Danny is into the occult scene but i couldn’t see him believing in fairies. Another thing that i found interesting is that the Elven star can also be a symbol for the 7 charkas in the body. Now this i can believe Danny to be involved in, he seems to have alot of Hinduism beliefs and ideas. IM just kinda rambling on. dont mind me. :)
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the weird thing is i seen that star long before i knew Tool was using it. i can't remember the first time i seen it, or where i seen it, but i knew i had before.
i'm not saying anything bad about tool, and beleive my, im definitly not the kind of person that goes around trying to defend religion, but, i think that having symbols like this is what gives tool there reputation of being "devil worshipers" because all the bible freaks ignorantly assume that if there is some sort of strange symbol that the Devil has something to do with it
Originally posted by stattica i'm not saying anything bad about tool, and beleive my, im definitly not the kind of person that goes around trying to defend religion, but, i think that having symbols like this is what gives tool there reputation of being "devil worshipers" because all the bible freaks ignorantly assume that if there is some sort of strange symbol that the Devil has something to do with it
Yea that pisses me off when people say Tool is Satanic. I ran into these two guys while walking to the park one time and i was wearing a tool shirt and they said,"you listen to tool?" I replied with a yes. Then the stupid ingnorant bastard asked me if i was a devil worshiper and being that I really don't follow anything in religious matter i replied with no. Then he said i wasn't a Tool fan then.
-Just a little story of something that happened to me and i'm probably sure more Tool fans have got the same bullshit pulled on them.
Did anyone happen to see the fact that the metal framework from which the lights are attatched above the stage was arranged in this 7 pointed star as well?
I saw that in Calgary, Alberta.
Yea that pisses me off when people say Tool is Satanic. I ran into these two guys while walking to the park one time and i was wearing a tool shirt and they said,"you listen to tool?" I replied with a yes. Then the stupid ingnorant bastard asked me if i was a devil worshiper and being that I really don't follow anything in religious matter i replied with no. Then he said i wasn't a Tool fan then.
-Just a little story of something that happened to me and i'm probably sure more Tool fans have got the same bullshit pulled on them.
I agree with you on that. Since when did Tool ever mean religion? Last I heard (at least from the band members) it was all about the music.
I know a girl who, if she wasn't so stoic in her beliefs and her faith in Christianity (I'll blame it on her childhood) she'd be more open to Tool or any other kind of music. Sad to see how relegated new and more adventurous music has become.
Originally posted by seeyouauntie Thanks for the information, ive don’t some reasearch after you told me that’s its an Elven star. One of the things that is a common theme in all the research that ive done is that the Elven star is a symbol for believing in fairy's. Now i know Danny is into the occult scene but i couldn’t see him believing in fairies. Another thing that i found interesting is that the Elven star can also be a symbol for the 7 charkas in the body. Now this i can believe Danny to be involved in, he seems to have alot of Hinduism beliefs and ideas. IM just kinda rambling on. dont mind me. :)
that sounds kind of ignorant doncha think???
(no offence, we all say ignorant things sometimes)
Originally posted by Valkyrie Did anyone happen to see the fact that the metal framework from which the lights are attatched above the stage was arranged in this 7 pointed star as well?
I saw that in Calgary, Alberta.
Something to think about...I suppose.
Yes! I noticed the same thing at their show in Hamilton, Ontario. At first, I thought it was just a series of rafters for their lighting, but then towards the end of their set, when the heptagram appeared on the backdrop, I saw the connection.
I know a girl who, if she wasn't so stoic in her beliefs and her faith in Christianity (I'll blame it on her childhood) she'd be more open to Tool or any other kind of music. Sad to see how relegated new and more adventurous music has become.
I believe you're right... It's funny, I actually used to be Christian before, or I was actually raised an atheist but later got involved in Christianity. Later I became a fan of Tool and after hearing Opiate and other songs as well, I realized all I had believed in was fake. At least for me. Like Flood says, "All I knew and all I believed are crumbling images that no longer comfort me". That's exactly how I felt. It's OK to be a Christian, but if you do it only because someone tells you to... it's pretty fucking stupid. Right now I don't really know what I believe in, and I don't care. As long as I'm happy, nothing really matters.
Yea that pisses me off when people say Tool is Satanic. I ran into these two guys while walking to the park one time and i was wearing a tool shirt and they said,"you listen to tool?" I replied with a yes. Then the stupid ingnorant bastard asked me if i was a devil worshiper and being that I really don't follow anything in religious matter i replied with no. Then he said i wasn't a Tool fan then.
-Just a little story of something that happened to me and i'm probably sure more Tool fans have got the same bullshit pulled on them.
yea, a lot of people are really closed minded about matters such as religion and philosophy. i find it discouraging. but it isn't only those devout christians for "bible freaks" that insist that tool=devil. anyone who is closed minded and pharisaic will say that.
somethink i've noticed in tool fans- they don't seem to have any staple, dominant religion. most don't know what religion they are, which suits them just fine. anyone else notice this?
However, you can't deny the occultic references in pretty much every aspect of what Tool presents these days. Whether it is references to Qabalah, or Aleister Crowley, they are everywhere. I don't think this helps to dispel their "satanic" image very well; of course, they probably aren't trying to do that anyway.
if you go and read what i wrote in my analysis of the beginning of the parabola video i talk about the heptagram as a symbol of a state of consciousness.. i'd write it here but i'm just too tired.
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Hello, i have noticed the seven pointed star in other tool things, and they have seven pointed stars in their concerts, someone told me before what it meant but me being a numbskull forgot, can anyone refresh me
This seven-pointed star (septagram) represents a belief in fairies and magic. Each of the seven points is believed to have a different meaning, although there are several common interpretations.
Some say each point represents a pathway, or the "seven rays of manifestation of the Higher Self."
1 - power, personal will and determination
2 - unconditional love, wisdom and growth
3 - knowledge and intelligence
4 - harmony and tranquillity
5 - the powers of mind and science
6 - devotion and honesty
7 - magick.
Another idea is that the points signify the seven magical elements - earth, air, fire, water, light, life and magic - or the inner and outer elements - earth, air, fire, water, heaven, earth and self. Whilst a further suggestion is that they represent the seven directions - north, south, east, west, above, below and within.
Whatever your individual theory, the number seven is believed to be a magical or lucky number, and can be used to indicate appreciation and knowledge of fairies.
And...
Definition: The septagram, a continuously drawn figure having seven points, is far less common than the pentagram. It is however important in Western kabbalah, where it symbolizes the sphere of Netzach, the seven planets, the seven alchemical metals, and the seven days of the week. It is a sacred symbol to Wiccans who follow the "Faery" tradition, where it is called the Elven or Fairy star. The seven pointed star is also an important part of the seal of the A.A., the inner order of Aleister Crowley's OTO.
Represents unity of all peoples.
Unites Earth and Trinity
The seven elements: Earth, Air, Fire, Water, Life, Light, and Magick.
The seven directions: North, South, East, West, above, below, within.
they're the numbers considered to be assigned to Man, Satan and God, respectively. i don't have much insight into this, i'm just... throwing it out there. you know.
Does anyone know what the 7 sided star signifies? Tool had it hanging over their stage on their last tour and I'm curious about what it symbolizes. seeyouauntie, please make a post so people can see what it is.
Does anyone know what the 7 sided star signifies? Tool had it hanging over their stage on their last tour and I'm curious about what it symbolizes. seeyouauntie, please make a post so people can see what it is.
i was trying to draw it in class on friday... it was kidof hard and it never came out right ill try again tomorow
Yeah....it does...or at least I know that the arrangement of Danny's drum set means that. It represents Paimon, the 9th spirit of the Order of the Goetia.
I got this off of Toolband.com or something. I did not know this before I read it so don't ask me questions. I am sure you can google and find the info.
To me a sptagram signifies the 7 pt charka system, i forgot where i read that but that’s what it means to me.
This is what others think of the septagram. The seven points represent the Sun, the Forest, the Sea, Magick, the Moon, the Wind, and Spirit.
I think its also a symbol to acknowledge the existence of faeries..
through alot of research it seems like it has multiple meanings. Like i said i like it because to me its like the protection/representation of the 7 charka's.
