Agree. I actually followed up my OP with this remark. I think Danny, Adam, Justin are still loving what they're doing. Especially Danny and Justin, who have more influence on 10,000 Days and a higher profile.

Where the fuck in my post did I say I wanted Opiates 2, 3, 4 and 5????

Where did I say I don't LIKE 10,000 Days????

Oh, that's right...NOWHERE!!!!

I am trying to post some intelligent threads that evoke opinions, thoughts, different viewpoints, etc, etc....as opposed to all the fucktards out there who are posting moronic "thoughts" such as "my girlfriend has never had an orgasm", or "Vicarious was saved for 10,000 Days because of it's greatness".

Understand?

One of my favorite quotes is MJK at Lollapalooza 93. "Anger is constructive. Hatred is not."

no?

Sober, Swamp Song, Opiate, Bottom, Jerk Off are on it....live from Lollapalooza 1993. I don't know if I would call it "that GREAT", but I'd never heard these recordings before, so for me it was a new experience. It reminded me of when I was 20 and we'd all go to see new / emerging bands. It's like hearing Tool play those songs for the very first time to people who've never heard of them.

Umm, then why would MJK "sell his soul to make a record"?

LOL. McRoggles would worship anything Tool / MJK did. Probably even loves that stupid segue on Lateralus with Maynard's cat being squeezed...

A "swan song" is like an ending, or I guess an act of finality. Basically the last thing he will do before exiting in pursuit of other things.

i agree with you. i think 10k days lacks passion. don't know why. maybe, if mjk is the character in vicarious, b/c he is sick of having to "say it all again." which is a douche thing to say, but whatever.

been listening to undertow a lot lately. i seriously neglected that album back when it first came out. good stuff.

Mhm, the band has evolved, lyrically, and vocally, drumming wise, guitar wise and bass wise. Always different every album as well. The effects are what blow our mind's as well. The hair raising pick scrapes with delay and Danny on drum's, beating away melodically...Everything has changed but evolved stronger.

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It really isn't rhythmatic, because the sequence isn't patterned in his drumming normally.

lol...they really don't, but they make it work better that way in their advantage...

Instead of calling mjk tired and not hungry has anyone stopped think that maybe he is just getting older and can't yell like that anymore. I am no vocallist but mjk's instrument is his voice, without it he would not be the lead singer of tool, and if he con't to scream with that power/raw emotion that we all love he wouldn't be able to hit any of the notes that we come to love in tool music those notes that give the feeling. those notes that we connect with. those MOMENTS that we talk about and debate about. if pavarotti screamed like mjk once did for ten years do you think his voice would be half of what it is now........NO! anyway all i am saying is that one should grow with tool and not dwell on the past. i doubt any of want to be the person we were ten years ago, and why should tool. long live evoution in life as well as art!

Have you heard him live yet, i downloaded a video, he can yell just fine!

just for checking... aren't those on opiate/the 1991 demo/undertow? cool that they are live, but is the quality great or is it just a bootleg made by someone in the croud where you can hear the person next to the bootleg better than the band ;) cuz i allready have those demo's and opiate and undertow, so probably have heard all those songs, unless they are very different from the album versions...

The quality is not fantastic, but it's better than the MP3 crap turning up from the latest shows. I'm not sure how it was recorded, I suspect it was done by the crew or somebody like that.

Only way you'll find out for yourself is to track it down and listen. And, yes, these live songs from Lollapalooza are different to Opiate and Undertow. I think it's worth listening to.