okay dont knock this until you try it - but it really works and it works extremely well.
by accident i stumbled upon syncing up LATERALUS to THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS. to me it looks way better than wizard of oz/darkside of the moon ever did - plus it flows through the entire movie.
all you have to do is hit play when the thouchtone logo vanishes. it will work almost immediately and you will tell right away that it is.
dont just notice how the music flows with the movie - what is really eerie is that the CONTENT of the lyrics seems to fit at almost every moment - from the patient describing jacks sentiment as he tries to search for a new way - to schism showing along side the on screen dichotomy between the shifting relationship from salyy and the doctor - to sally and jack, to parabola sernading sally's thoughs and scenes with jack - to probably the best of all - ticks and leeches is praticlly lock shock and barrels theme song.
this does work amazingly so and i suggest you try it before you flame it
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Re: Re: LATERALUS and THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS
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Originally posted by Chris_Brightwell
Then again - you can make _anything_ synchronized if you try hard enough.
yea i usually watch cartoons or something while listening to tool or anything else for that matter and it usually seems to sync up. no biggie. but ill try that sometime thanx!
yeah i saw the movie pi. good movie by they way. fucked up but good. but yeah i tried the whole syncing up bit with nbc and lateralus. It worked pretty well but i still think wizard of oz and dark side of the moon worked better. you can't go wrong with that one.
I have to say, that was freaking great. There is no way in hell that's just a coincidence. My god.. every song fit in perfectly. I was a little skeptical during the Grudge, but once Eon started I knew it was golden.
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By the way, how exactly did you just "stumble" across this? You just got the idea that maybe Lateralus synched up with, oh, i dunno, Nightmare before Christmas? Good find though :)
i used to work in a record store and we pretty much open and played everything we wanted even though we werent supposed to.
so i had an open copy of nightmare and of lateralus. and whilst board just sittin behind the register i am looking at the running time of nightmare and it occurs to me that lateralus was actually longer - so i said what the fuck it will be kind of cool to have lateralus playing while watching it (they always bitched if we turned the movies up instead of the music - i know it makes no sense) so basically we could watch movies and not listen to them.
so i started lateralus precisely when i said as kind of a gag - i love both so i guess i was just excercing a flair for the dramatic
let me tell you i have never been able to seem to get it to sinc up as good as that first time. it was just astonishing.
i played it for my girlfriend that night and she made us watch it like three times. all my friends who are into TOOL -a nd some who are just into nightmare have done it and have been speechless.
i know this may all sound silly to some - but like i said - dont knock something or judge something until you see it for yourself.
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Originally posted by EndEyeQuote know this may all sound silly to some - but like i said - dont knock something or judge something until you see it for yourself.
absolutely, I've watched it twice so far and will most likely watch it again soon.
Do you ever watch it while listening to the movie as well? I had the volume up on the movie just a bit, and I caught the girl saying something along the lines of "I don't want to be patient" about :30 into The Patient. I wonder if there are any more quotes that tie in.
I rented Nightmare Before Christmas today, and threw it in the DVD player when I got home.
WOW. But I did notice that the best synchronization is after parabola, notable in ticks and leaches when jack yells at the three little kids. Also, did you notice how the boogie man seemed to be mouthing the lyrics to reflection?
Looks like I've got another movie to put on the list.
wow. i'm sorry but maybe i'm missing something. i really don't see what the huge deal is. like i posted before i tried it and it was ok. i still think wizard of oz and DSOTM was better. the only part in nightmare that i really thought went well with lateralus was when jack was in the cemetary after he got shot out of the sky and he was singing to reflection. it almost moved me. the way that the music flowed and jack was moving went together so so so well. but that is the only part in the movie i can think of that went well together. i don't know maybe i started it at the wrong spot. someone please help me.
Originally posted by Professor Frink
Do you ever watch it while listening to the movie as well? I had the volume up on the movie just a bit, and I caught the girl saying something along the lines of "I don't want to be patient" about :30 into The Patient. I wonder if there are any more quotes that tie in.
yes i noticed that too - at the place where i found it because th movies were never tunred up we always had the subtitles on - and it was inetersting to notice that what they were talking baout seemed to even fit - but i usually dont mention that cause that seems like i am really pushing it
and to the one who said he was lost - start it immediately after the touchtone logo dissapears. notice how the tempo of each song moves precisely with the tempo of the movie - and especially notice that as each songchanges the scene in the movie changes to the next sequence in the movie. and also pay attention to what each song is about and how it realates and then maybe you will see what we are all seeing.
now i am not saying that there is anything behind this at all - id be skeptical myself to believe that i discovered some profound secert.
here is a dissenting opinion of why there is nothing to it - but why it still does look cool - this was from my girlfriend at the time. basically anything can sinc up - especially since the movie is a musical - its not a strech to see that the tempos go togetehr well. and being that the movie and the album are both essentially about relationships and inner strife that is why the lyrics go well.
now i tend to believe that - but this is me playing devils advocate for the assenting opinion. tim burton has said that very fe people in this world do stop action animation and do it well. i defiantely think thtat there is a good chance that adam jones and tim burton have met - may be even friendly. i personally dont think it would be too hard to pull off an album sincing up to a movie like nightmare. the real trick would not to be anal about it. maybe extend a solo a little bit here - or add a sound effect there - just to get the key moments of the movie to line up to the songs. the only thing that would take any real forethought ois what song to put with what part of the movie. like i said i dont really believe they did that -but hey in this buisness and when you are talking about TOOL you never know.
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This is weird.. the first 2 times I did it, it worked out amazingly well. The last 2 were much, much worse. I really don't understand what made the big difference, it seems like I started it at the exact same time.. I'll have to look into it and tinker some more.
Anyways, there's no way this just happens to coincide with the movie. It was obviously a planned effort, not only from the way each song fits the mood, from the grudge to schism to reflection, but the way many lyrics match up to what's happening on screen. "this tedious path i've chosen here" as Jack chooses the xmas door; "We are eternal/all this pain is an illusion" as Sally opens her eyes after the fall from the window and proceds to stand up, smiling; The whole "a million light reflections" part of reflection are just a few of the small touches that prove that this is all WAY too much to be a coincidence.
well i will admit thati myself feel sometimes it is more than a coincadenc - kind of makes me feel good that i stumbled upon it ;)
as far as it working not as good i have experienced this too. it really seems that even a second or less off on that play button and its not the same. which could lend credence to it being real - TOOL is all about perfection after all.
one of these days ill sit down in front of the cd player and the dvd and time it perfect and write it down so i can do it every time.
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This is a really great find! Thanks Endeye, I really enjoyed watching this :).
My favourite moments were Jack's crash scene soundtracked by 'Reflection', him 'spiralling' off into the sky at the end of 'Lateralus', Sally being 'wide eyed and hopeful' in the intro to 'Parabola', and particularly Boogie's kids preparing to kidnap Santa to the tune of 'Ticks and Leeches'.
This is an incredible coincidence, but I very much doubt that it has been done on purpose. Like Endeye said, the emotional passages in this film just happen to occur in the quiet songs like 'Eon Blue Apocalypse' and so on. There are blatent moments were the film and the album have nothing in common, I thought that the 'What's This?' scene didn't fit the music of 'The Patient' too seemlessly. Also, the majority of 'Schism' had little substance too. There do seem to be other links in these places however, like 'Disposition' doesn't aesthetically match Jack giving out his Christmas presents, but 'Watch the weather change...' seems to have a certain prominence, since he is changing Christmas...
Whatever happens, this is amazing and totally enjoyable to watch though. Thanks again!
Originally posted by EndEyeQuote As far as it working not as good i have experienced this too. it really seems that even a second or less off on that play button and its not the same. which could lend credence to it being real - TOOL is all about perfection after all.
one of these days ill sit down in front of the cd player and the dvd and time it perfect and write it down so i can do it every time.
It's not even that, the second or two. The first two times I watched it, it was PERFECT. Every scene matched up.. the buildup in Schism and T&L fit Jack's face perfectly, all the lyrical references. It was after these 2 watchings that I was convinced it was a planned effort, and done extremely well. Now, however, it seems like it's up to 15 or 20 seconds off, and is TOTALLY ruining the experience, causing me to understand why some people don't think of this as such a big deal. I simply cannot figure out what is causing this huge discrepency... i'm so freaking confused :P
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I think the key to continue enjoying it is to watch it without expecting anythign to happen. The way I do this is to just concentrate on the music, not on what is going to happen next in the movie.
I also noticed that right as parabola starts up Sally puts her hand in her pocket rather forcefully to take out a needle.
Well, my copy of nbc is at home so I can't wait to try it - Normally I'm a skeptic about that kind of stuff but I can see TOOL doing something like that intentionally, especially because of some of the extended and blank endings to songs (Triad, Disgustipated, Parabola, etc.). Anyways, thats cool.
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How exactly did Aenima fit in? Could you tell me some details on that VCD you received? I'd be interested in trying that, as well.
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ok, it appears i've fixed it! Actually i didn't do anything.. The first 2 times I did it with a tape, the 2nd two times w/ a downloaded DVD/divx rip (whatever you call it). Apparently, the speeds are different for some reason. I again tried the tape, and it works great.
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this is really scaring me.... this summer I showed my friend the sober video because he said he'd never heard of tool, and it suddenly occured to us (both of us at the same time) that this was very similar in a way to a nightmare before christmas.....
i've got to try this now....
do you hit play with the cd player turned OFF right before the thing fades? because they take time to start up after you hit play and all
i usually hit play and let the cd player go - i dont pause it and cue it first - but that of course isnt exact because not all cd players take the same time to load - play with it a bit youll get it after a couple of tries
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yeah, all CD players are different. I usually start my cd player as the movie is starting up, then hit the "back" button when the logo fades away. It seems to get it closer than just playing.
btw, im still waiting on word of the AEnima synch! :)
Man, I love synchronizations. I've been trying to find some Tool syncs that work and I haven't found any really good ones yet, so I've got to try this one. I haven't watched it yet, but here's another little clue, that it might be intentional. Right at the beginning of lateralus, you hear a film projector turning on. Also, if tool was going to to do this to a movie, Nightmare Before Christmas would be like the pefect one for them. Stop motion animation, just like their videos... I can't wait to try it.
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Thanks for the bump. Gotta check this one out. I love how Tools music seems to sync up with so much in the world. I notice it all the time just driving along and watching things. Pretty beautiful stuff.
I don't get it. I actually wasted my time with this, thinking that it would actually work. How could I have been so foolish? Let me issue a warning to anyone who is considering this: DONT DO IT. It is a complete waste of time and is very dissapointing. Not at one point did the move sync up.
me and some of my friends watched the dsotm/oz thing one time and put in lateralus when dsotm ended. i know it'll never work again because my friends cd skips, but when theyre in the field of flowers and dorothy passes out, the patient is playing talking about "the desire to heal the damaged and broken met along this tedious path i've chosen here..." then she passes out and it gets the the sigh and "i still may" and she opens her eyes right when the music gets hard again. that was the best part of the whole experience for me. like i said, i'll never be able to recreate it because of the skippin but it was a really cool coincencidence.
OK...so there's a lot of confusion about where to start this movie (nbc) so it syncs up correctly with the cd. I found the solution and it works so completely well it's haunting that some think this is just a coincidence.
The trick is to START the cd right when the movie starts timing (yes, during the touchstone logo) so that Grudge and the first few chapters of the movie are in perfect time. You'll notice right away if you got it right (watch the pumpkins as they fall on the fence posts; witches should start flying when Maynard sings "saturn ascends"). Check out what Jack says as he puts his arm around the tombstone in the graveyard and what Maynard does in the song...I was speechless.
The whole CD is like this. It's in perfect sync with each step, scene change, and motion in the movie. Still think it's coincidence? Check out how the CD counts down during the final minutes of the credits and how the touchstone logo fades out into faaip de oiad. I guarantee you'll be stunned.
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Wait, you start the CD when the touchstone logo shows up? You're supposed to start it as soon as it fades away.. "saturn ascends" shouldn't come until that tree starts walking around.
The best proof for this method is in Ticks & Leeches. The burst after the quiest part (~6:00) comes right when Jack makes the face at the kids. Plus, the rest of the movie matches up just fine.. I see a lot of parts that wouldn't work nearly as well if you start it as early as you do. I'll give it a look anyways.
wow! I never thought the grudge fit very well, but after watching it your way, it was amazing. I'm only on the Patient right now. But I'm so confused. It seems like many parts are giong to be thrown off now.. anyways, I'll have to watch the rest this way.
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i think you have too much time on your hands, yeah it's kind of interesting, but I'm sure you could match Lateralus with plenty of movies that really have no connection
Originally posted by holy reality does anyone know if I can find a file with them synched up together on the net together..... or does anyone feel like making one?
I was planning on making one, as soon as I figure out Adobe Premier (or even if i can do it in that program). Not really sure how I'm going to share it though, my school has the bandwidth to a lot of programs cut. Maybe SoulSeek? I'll keep you posted.
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Originally posted by holy reality Do you all listen to the movie with sound, or mute it?
I just mute the video.. the first time, though, I left the sound on a little. The only thing I noticed was one of the characters saying "I don't want to be patient" shortly into The Patient. But there's really no advantage of listening to the movie simulataneously.
if you're using the dvd version it works just as well to leave the subtitles on during the movie. A LOT of what Jack says during the movie coincides with Maynard's lyrics.
I know there's a way to rip the movie to vcd format (I used EasyVCD) and convert it to MPEG-1. Just haven't figured out how to link in lateralus for the soundtrack. Suggestions?
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hey professor frink, that would be great if you could do that, i'd recommend making a high quality one, then a really small kind of crappy one so it's easier to download for slower connections, if you put it on your shared kazaa folder people will download and it'll eventually start getting spread everywhere
let us/me know if you get it up somewhere, i can try and download at my school with it's awesome 1.12 mb per sec download speed, then i can put it on my mp3 player and transfer it back home... you'd have to put it on a site that wouldn't be normally blocked by a site filter though, like not angelfire or anything commonly used
I just tried the match up a couple days ago and it worked great. I had never seen nightmare before christmas before this and I understood what was going on and the feelings of all the characters from just watching it listening to lateralus, I did it again two nights later and was still amaised, my friends say the movie is better with the music then with the real monologue
It may be a coincedence, but it is still pretty incredible. the music and the images seemed to go perfectly together, and there were a few parts that had me in awe.
During Schism, when Maynard is singing, "I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit...", jack is hastily looking through books, trying to find a logical explanation for christmas. Also, at about 5:20 into Schism, the music sort of "explodes" into a loud finale, and right at that moment, jack looks at something with a really crazy face and it gets all red, and bright.
At the end of Parabol, when Maynard is singing, "All this pain is an illusion....", Sally jumps out of a window, loses her arm and leg, and then sows them back on!
During Reflection, when he is singing, "And in my darkest moment, fetal and weeping" Jack is lying in the graveyard, right after he got shot down out of the sky.
