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08-25-2006, 10:47 AM
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so I was listening to Lateralus earlier today and when the end of "Schism" came around, the song ended...and I expected to hear the beginning of "Jambi." which confused me. so I loaded up "Schism" and "Vicarious" together in winamp...and lo and behold, the last 25-30 seconds of these two songs are almost exactly the same.

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last 25 seconds of vicarious.

so I was listening to Lateralus earlier today and when the end of "Schism" came around, the song ended...and I expected to hear the beginning of "Jambi." which confused me. so I loaded up "Schism" and "Vicarious" together in winamp...and lo and behold, the last 25-30 seconds of these two songs are almost exactly the same.

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not surprising at all really...the production values are not spectacular on this album.
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not surprising at all really...the production values are not spectacular on this album.
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Well, the beginning riff of Vicarious is, at least, reminiscent of the middle, breakdown, part of Schism. In fact, watching some of the live clips on youtube of the current tour, it appears that those two riffs are played the same in terms of the interplay between Adam and Justin. Those are my thoughts.
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

Well, the beginning riff of Vicarious is, at least, reminiscent of the middle, breakdown, part of Schism. In fact, watching some of the live clips on youtube of the current tour, it appears that those two riffs are played the same in terms of the interplay between Adam and Justin. Those are my thoughts.
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They both have the 0-3-5 hammers in the end.
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

They both have the 0-3-5 hammers in the end.
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yeah dude WEIRD
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

yeah dude WEIRD
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Well, the beginning riff of Vicarious is, at least, reminiscent of the middle, breakdown, part of Schism. In fact, watching some of the live clips on youtube of the current tour, it appears that those two riffs are played the same in terms of the interplay between Adam and Justin. Those are my thoughts.
Thats the first thing I thought when I first heard Vicarious
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

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Well, the beginning riff of Vicarious is, at least, reminiscent of the middle, breakdown, part of Schism. In fact, watching some of the live clips on youtube of the current tour, it appears that those two riffs are played the same in terms of the interplay between Adam and Justin. Those are my thoughts.
Thats the first thing I thought when I first heard Vicarious
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08-25-2006, 11:41 PM
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Most people picked this up on their first listen..
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

Most people picked this up on their first listen..
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they aren't that similar, crikey.
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

they aren't that similar, crikey.
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08-26-2006, 02:56 AM
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As soon as i heard the vicarious intro, the first thing i did was turn to my mate and say schism.
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

As soon as i heard the vicarious intro, the first thing i did was turn to my mate and say schism.
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Odd, I never thought about it before, but you're right, they are simular.
I can't see anything wrong with that though, its quite a Toolish ending.
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

Odd, I never thought about it before, but you're right, they are simular.
I can't see anything wrong with that though, its quite a Toolish ending.
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08-26-2006, 04:34 AM
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Lol and again.

There are similaritys to Vicarious and Schism.

But the ending?

The ending of Vicarious is DAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAMA

The ending of Schism is DAM DUDULUDA DAM DUDULULA DUDULULA.
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

Lol and again.

There are similaritys to Vicarious and Schism.

But the ending?

The ending of Vicarious is DAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAMA

The ending of Schism is DAM DUDULUDA DAM DUDULULA DUDULULA.
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Lol and again.

There are similaritys to Vicarious and Schism.

But the ending?

The ending of Vicarious is DAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAMA

The ending of Schism is DAM DUDULUDA DAM DUDULULA DUDULULA.
Interesting musical notation. Have you studied drums with Ed Shaughnessy?
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

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Lol and again.

There are similaritys to Vicarious and Schism.

But the ending?

The ending of Vicarious is DAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAMA

The ending of Schism is DAM DUDULUDA DAM DUDULULA DUDULULA.
Interesting musical notation. Have you studied drums with Ed Shaughnessy?
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Lol and again.

There are similaritys to Vicarious and Schism.

But the ending?

The ending of Vicarious is DAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAMA

The ending of Schism is DAM DUDULUDA DAM DUDULULA DUDULULA.


exactly wut i was thinking
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

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Lol and again.

There are similaritys to Vicarious and Schism.

But the ending?

The ending of Vicarious is DAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAMA

The ending of Schism is DAM DUDULUDA DAM DUDULULA DUDULULA.


exactly wut i was thinking
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08-26-2006, 06:58 AM
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yea, they are alike in the ending, but it doesn't irritate me at all. like both songs
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

yea, they are alike in the ending, but it doesn't irritate me at all. like both songs
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08-26-2006, 07:13 AM
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i think that they are pretty different..
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

i think that they are pretty different..
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i think that they are pretty different..
If you listen one after another they are completely different.
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i think that they are pretty different..
If you listen one after another they are completely different.
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08-26-2006, 10:12 AM
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Yes, the two endings sound similar. Similar, but not exactly the same. However, I realized this the very first time I heard Vicarious, over 4 months ago. Old news!
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

Yes, the two endings sound similar. Similar, but not exactly the same. However, I realized this the very first time I heard Vicarious, over 4 months ago. Old news!
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08-26-2006, 10:18 AM
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both songs are alike in the fact that they kick ass, i'll give you that.
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

both songs are alike in the fact that they kick ass, i'll give you that.
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The endings are similar in their ideas, but the guitar riffs are very different from each other.
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

The endings are similar in their ideas, but the guitar riffs are very different from each other.
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i sense a bit of the patient in vicarious. call me crazy. also call me crazy when i say this has been beat to death and the presence of past tool signatures are very much evident in a lot of songs on 10kdays, and thats because of the albums message. not as if they said "fuck it, lets just copy some shit"
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

i sense a bit of the patient in vicarious. call me crazy. also call me crazy when i say this has been beat to death and the presence of past tool signatures are very much evident in a lot of songs on 10kdays, and thats because of the albums message. not as if they said "fuck it, lets just copy some shit"
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I agree, Sasha.
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

I agree, Sasha.
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Lol and again.

There are similaritys to Vicarious and Schism.

But the ending?

The ending of Vicarious is DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DAMN

The ending of Schism is DAM DUDULA DAM DAM DUDULA DAM DUDULA DAM.
fixed.
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

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Lol and again.

There are similaritys to Vicarious and Schism.

But the ending?

The ending of Vicarious is DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DUDULA DAMN

The ending of Schism is DAM DUDULA DAM DAM DUDULA DAM DUDULA DAM.
fixed.
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Unless you're not a musician it's pretty easy hear the differences.
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

Unless you're not a musician it's pretty easy hear the differences.
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fixed.
Yep, exactly.
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fixed.
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The Grudge also has "that" thing. It's probably because Tool "often" use C, D and D# in order to get a evil or some sort of up-building feeling toward an explosion or breakdown.
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

The Grudge also has "that" thing. It's probably because Tool "often" use C, D and D# in order to get a evil or some sort of up-building feeling toward an explosion or breakdown.
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Lol and again.

There are similaritys to Vicarious and Schism.

But the ending?

The ending of Vicarious is DAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAMA

The ending of Schism is DAM DUDULUDA DAM DUDULULA DUDULULA.
hilarious way to put it out. that ill give ya
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

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Originally Posted by Terry21 View Post
Lol and again.

There are similaritys to Vicarious and Schism.

But the ending?

The ending of Vicarious is DAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAMA

The ending of Schism is DAM DUDULUDA DAM DUDULULA DUDULULA.
hilarious way to put it out. that ill give ya
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who cares tho really? alot of bands jam on stuff live and then record it.
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

who cares tho really? alot of bands jam on stuff live and then record it.
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A lot of songs on 10k days pay tribute.

Vicarious sounds like Schism because the themes are similar, what Vicarious talks about is part of what's crippling our communication.
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Re: last 25 seconds of vicarious.

A lot of songs on 10k days pay tribute.

Vicarious sounds like Schism because the themes are similar, what Vicarious talks about is part of what's crippling our communication.
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fixed.
That's right on the money.
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