to me it sounds like a machine that i work with frequently. the click then the whirr sound then the whine,it sounds almost exactly like when i start the big reel 2 track tape machine sitting three feet from me(maby a reberb added or something), the one we use for the recording of a final mix down, obviously louder of course. even further, the sound at the end of faaip sounds just like when the tape hits the end of the reel and slips out(as its supposed to) then whips through the record heads and sticks to the other reel, the thing then shuts off by itself with a series of clicks. this may not be it, but it'd be a startling co-incidence. that said, i have no idea what it means. perhaps a spurr of the moment kind of thing, i dont know, but i like the sybian idea.:)
(when i say sounds like, i mean it sounds like the artifact imposed on the tape recording, it only lasts for a few seconds till the bearings in te motor have had a chance to warm up)
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What do you guys think the sound at the beginning is? What do you believe it to mean?
Personally, to me it sounds like a machine of some sort starting up. Much like a dentist's drill. No idea what bearing that could have on a meaning, other than the fact that the grudge in general has a much more 'mechanical' sound than a lot of the other songs.
No bearing on what any of this means whatsoever, a pointless thread indeed.
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The sound at the beginning of Lateralus is actually part of a standard sound effects library that we used for a post production class at my school. I don't know what the sound effects library is called, but it was in the "science fiction" folder, and is entitled "Servo Motor". I still have a copy of the clip, if someone wants proof. Basically, they just extended the noise of the motor at the end of the clip, and dropped the gain a lot.
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I don't think it's an elevator at all, although that would be my first guess. Three years after I heard this album, I saw the movie "Lifestyles." It's about all these old swingers and it shows them fuck each other and shit. It's pretty disgusting to see elderly women and men in swingers clubs. Ick.
But anyway at the beginning of a MTV Cribs-like scene, grandpa is showing off his swingers pad. Then he goes over to the jacuzzi and starts up the jets...IT SOUNDED EXACTLY LIKE THE BEGINNING OF THE GRUDGE. The movie was made in '97. I think it would be very funny if Tool sampled this.
It's an old-style film projector starting up. I think it's pretty distinct. Check out the begining of scorsese's Mean Streets for the same sound (i think about a minute into the film, when the projector turns on)
it reminds me of an old projector machine starting up for some reason. but i agree with the high frequency post. it makes sense....
but it also sounds like any random machine starting up.
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to me it sounds like a machine that i work with frequently. the click then the whirr sound then the whine,it sounds almost exactly like when i start the big reel 2 track tape machine sitting three feet from me(maby a reberb added or something), the one we use for the recording of a final mix down, obviously louder of course. even further, the sound at the end of faaip sounds just like when the tape hits the end of the reel and slips out(as its supposed to) then whips through the record heads and sticks to the other reel, the thing then shuts off by itself with a series of clicks. this may not be it, but it'd be a startling co-incidence. that said, i have no idea what it means. perhaps a spurr of the moment kind of thing, i dont know, but i like the sybian idea.:)
(when i say sounds like, i mean it sounds like the artifact imposed on the tape recording, it only lasts for a few seconds till the bearings in te motor have had a chance to warm up)
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It's an old-style film projector starting up. I think it's pretty distinct. Check out the begining of scorsese's Mean Streets for the same sound (i think about a minute into the film, when the projector turns on)
This is what I always imagined it as. Really interesting to see so many have the elevator idea. That never even crossed my mind. All the elevators I've been in have had much more of a lower pitched hum sound.
I always pictured it was the old-style film projecter winding up. I dunno why I had the idea about it, but the Grudge seems like it was take place on an old film like that machine would play. It seems to fit the song. It always had an archaic feel to it in my mind.
Me and a friend were watching season one - second episode of King of the Hill where Hank brings his son to some sort of dairy/cow place to teach him the facts of life.
The sound at the beginning of the grudge came on when they put some machine against a cow. We looked at each other, replayed it a few times. The put in lateralus. We are 100% convinced it is the same sound effect.
It's an old-style film projector starting up. I think it's pretty distinct. Check out the begining of scorsese's Mean Streets for the same sound (i think about a minute into the film, when the projector turns on)
That exact sample/sound was included in a sound effects collection
in my engineering school. I actually used it in a radio commercial I had to do.
It was called "elevator shaft"
I've heard it countless times in movies and TV shows.......it's kind of generic
The effects collection I was using was made in the late 80's too.....
I highly doubt it's any kind of bio electrical sound...if you listen closely you can hear the
metal clacking as it starts up. But if thats what you hear....go with it.
Personally, I dont think it has any deeper meaning than
Tool saying "here we go"
I mostly just agree with that last comment there. And honestly, are you going to go around listening to everyone's skull to try and compare it to the sound on the album?
On second thought, that'd be awesome if someone did that. Just run up to every person you meet on the street untill you hear it, then report back here with the details.
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I did a little research and found <a href="http://www.audiolicense.net/sfx/subcat_search.asp?subcat_id=11817&type=basic&keywo rds=elevator%2Bstart&match=n&ch=&dur_min=&dur_max= ">this</a>
I did a little research and found this sound :
http://www.audiolicense.net/sfx/subcat_search.asp?subcat_id=11817&type=basic&keywo rds=elevator%2Bstart&match=n&ch=&dur_min=&dur_max=
just hit the speaker on the side
My first interpretation of this sound gave me a feeling of sinking, meaning the sound goes from high to low, it sounds like a futuristic platform sinking below the Earth. In the back of my head for some reason I have a feeling that at some point on the cd this platform will rise again, I can't recall if it does.
this elevator comes back up during ticks and leeches
Sorry, "Deus Ex Machina" is Latin for "God Out of the Machine". We talked about it in English class; in the Shakesperian days it was used to describe a machine used in plays to lower a character (usually portraying God or some other divine figure) onto the stage as if they were flying. That is the direct translation but now it is used to interperate literature where something amazing or unrealistic occurs as a product of a machine or another non-living object. I usually think about this when I hear the noise at the beginning of the song; as if it is the machine about to produce the amazing work of art that is Lateralus...
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The phrase deus ex machina (literally "god out of a machine") describes an unexpected, artificial, or improbable character, device, or event introduced suddenly in a work of fiction or drama to resolve a situation or untangle a plot (e.g. the rope that binds the hero's hands is luckily chewed off by a rat, or an angel suddenly appearing to solve problems).
Nothing to do with machines, or The Grudge, I'm afraid.
I know. And deus ex machina has nothing to do with that. I'm just pointing that out.
Okay BUDDY. I'm making a connection that makes sense; the masterpiece that is Lateralus comes out of this machine that begins to run at the beginning of The Grudge. It makes sense so I don't care what you think. ; )
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I just logged in for the first time in years... to say that I was just watching this movie myself and immediately thought of The Grudge after hearing the sound. You can check it out, it's around 19 minutes into the film, a scene where Gretchen Mol character enter the elevator.
lateralus starts with the sound of an elevator/lift's revolving motor parts
at the very least - metaphors aside - it suggests that "we're going up"...
up through the tracks/album/body-of-work/chakras. "the grudge" = root.
"faaip de oiad" = voice of god (enochian) = 13. thirteenth step = godhead
when you're watching tricky release the leaf in the woods, cosmic eyes...
we see the energy enter the "body-of-work" from the body of earth itself
the epic ending to the parabola video reiterates the album's liner artwork
yet another tool 'release' meant to lift us up. a 're-cord', you bought 'one'
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