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Old 02-08-2010, 07:38 PM   #1
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The Amalgamated Work of 3libras420

Withering away in the complacency of today
Holding on, I wait and pray
That you may someday soon see the light
Showing me the way.
I only fear that you too may slip away
Drift away in tidal currents
Apathetically like all the other slaves
In the end of their wasted days.

There is a reason, within reason
Choose to fill your cup till your soul overflows
With blood, into wine.
To reconnect with the divine
Beyond time and bending the line of your morality
To transcend this opaque reality
And see again like a child for the first time
And know that everything will be just fine
If you just choose to break the cycle
And ascend from your downward spiral.
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Re: Ascend

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Withering away in the complacency of today
Holding on, I wait and pray
That you may someday soon see the light
Showing me the way.
I only fear that you too may slip away
Drift away in tidal currents
Apathetically like all the other slaves
In the end of their wasted days.

There is a reason, within reason
Choose to fill your cup till your soul overflows
With blood, into wine.
To reconnect with the divine
Beyond time and bending the line of your morality
To transcend this opaque reality
And see again like a child for the first time
And know that everything will be just fine
If you just choose to break the cycle
And ascend from your downward spiral.
The poem struggles because you've written it based on a rhyme scheme as opposed to what you really want to say.

Today
Pray
Light
Way
Away
Currents
Slaves
Days

Reason
Overflows
Wine
Divine
Mortality
Reality
Time
Fine
Cycle
Spiral

If you look at the pattern of the rhyme scheme by breaking your poem down into the last word of each sentence, it's seems cohesive only because the last word and what it's appropriate to rhyme with.

This is only my opinion. I'm commodifying my perspective and offering you constructive feedback. Take it or leave it.
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Re: Ascend

Hey man, actually, i do appreciate the feedback.
I've been struggling for a breakthrough in my writing.
I do try to stay constant in the idea of a piece but the rhymes just kind of manifest along with it.
I've been trying to find a way to rhyme, appropriatly.
I suppose.
I've read many of your works and am sincerely inspired, namely, because I'm going through many of the same things you convey in your writings.
So I can relate and gain insight from a 3rd party perspective, it's very helpful.
*kudos*
Any suggestions man?
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Hey man, actually, i do appreciate the feedback.
I've been struggling for a breakthrough in my writing.
I do try to stay constant in the idea of a piece but the rhymes just kind of manifest along with it.
I've been trying to find a way to rhyme, appropriatly.
I suppose.
I've read many of your works and am sincerely inspired, namely, because I'm going through many of the same things you convey in your writings.
So I can relate and gain insight from a 3rd party perspective, it's very helpful.
*kudos*
Any suggestions man?
I'm always skeptical of giving feedback, that's why I threw in the disclaimer.
I've always heard people say that it's arrogant to try to critique someones poetry, but I never really agreed with that sentiment. I've received some of the best feedback on message boards (that's you gonzo)

Anyways, as far as any insight... The best I can say is what everyone always says, which is keep writing and don't quit. I keep 2 moleskin tablets with me at all times. One I use as a journal and a catchall. The other I usually write about what I'm reading, just my take on what the work is really about, external themes to follow up on...etc. Between the two I write a lot, and I have a couple creative pockets online that see regular posting.

I used to hate writing stuff down, sometimes I would be really excited about something I had floating around in my head and I'd hurry up and write it down. I'd come back to these little bits and pieces and a lot of times they weren't as good as I had thought, that always seemed discouraging. I guess it was only within the last year or so that I quit caring if everything I wrote sounded great, I just started writing it all. A lot of what I write isn't too impressive, but I write it anyways because it means something to me... I've quite worrying that I can't just scribble brilliance across every page I write on. In the end you'll come up with some gems, as you go along you'll always be refining your voice. Just don't let yourself become discouraged. There will always be people on message boards that slam you and tell you that you're shit, there will also be people who take the time to read and offer feedback... Just remind yourself which is more important.

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Re: Ascend

Also, don't worry about the rhyme scheme you're using. It's par for the course. I used to write just the same, most everyone does. It's not really such a big deal and the only reason I pointed it out was because I wanted to be aware of the method you were using.
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Re: Ascend

Well, 'Visceral Primate', I do see you as being one of having their most verbal expressions of his heart underestimated and hurt by the words of the critiques.
I guess that's just something we come to terms with dealing with as artists.
Bearing the pain of our souls to offer a message of truth to heal the collective wounded.
But you know...That's just how it is...

Whatever.

I do find you appealing to my senses tho, you really spoke to me in the first writing of yours I had explored. I completely agree with you as far as 'Insight" can not be taught.
It is literally something you have to go out yourself and achieve, experiment, to push the envelope...watch it bend.

This can not be taught to you by another.
Style, can not be inherit to some seminar...
So i do, Keep writing.
To let the inner voice of my soul and the trials and tribulations that ARE inherit to this life/reality/world...speak through words of my intuiton.

I know, in time...
When I've reached the pinnacle of my own self discovery, the physical manifestations of art i put forth will be nothing but...Just-Right.

Until then, I'll see you further down the rabbit hole.

Stay Weird.
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Inertia

I was once left out in the rain for so long-
Becoming rust resisting, existing only, a lonely stone.
Remaining strange, staying unchanged, misplaced=
My space, in a disgraced garden for never belonging...
Bearing my thorns right out in the open...
Why would I lie?
Why would I even try to hide?
Shining bright wide open through a blinding sky.
And a crystalline veil, well, to magnify my sight.
Confiding cries in my minds twilight.
While a box of my tears appear under cover with a built in skylight.
Exposed pride from inside, in spite sly spies, spinning and convincing lies.
While a wise child sighs, open wide tired eyes-
Despite hunger, my son you shall never fall under...
Whatever the weather the thunder will run seeking cover.
Suffer not younger brother-
Fear for an in-disclosed hope chose your purpose yet undiscovered.
Would this quake chase away thin faith in haste?
Or shall unshaken awaken, a forsaken notion to run away?
So then, if you were he, when he and I agree-
Would we be pleased in conceding and sewing a seed to grow free?
Holding love in place of greed...
Filling holes till souls overflow so that need never be known
Your first purpose is now complete.
Proceed freely, believing, we soon shall meet...
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(Choice of Explicitives) & also, Hallelujah...

Our choices don't dictate us or make us,
The resulting consequence shouldn't change us or break us.
Can't shake us or forsake us, provided fear doesn't deceive us to believe it.
If you can conceive it, achieve it.
Your security seems to be misery so leave it, delete it.
Trust me, you won't need it.
I'm so tired of this petty shed of regrets you've chosen a home in.
Why would you dwell in a well of your failures?
Focus forward on the light.
If you can't see it, open your eyes.
Find the mind you left behind. Embrace the tears you cry.
I promise someday we'll fly.
One day we may realize, look inside for new heights, hypothesize that imagination is so much larger than the expanse of the sky.
Excuses are useless; brandishing bruises can't get you through this.
Screw the to-do list, it's all so foolish.
Find time for life, take it with you, make haste, It's all there to spend, not a good thing to waste.
If you take time you'll have it, never take it for granted, it goes by so fast, it may someday soon pass us, we can't sit on our asses and hope time will last us....
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Spoken

As I begin to write this, the message will be unclear but certain.
It makes itself known in any room.
It is haughty beyond words.
It feeds off attention.
The hallow of our fears always there-
Eating at the back of our skulls...

You begin to talk.
Your lips quiver...
Every thought & emotion pours out of you like a river that is almost impossible to turn off.
Are you feeling me?

If so, please, do continue.
If not, now would be the place to stop.

Or you can look for yourself over the great emptiness that lies before you,
And learn from a teacher who knows nothing.

"Why so many riddles?" you say.
Unready to face life because it scares you.

Take LOVE by the hand it is the only way.
Through LOVE, Life itself was born.
The answer to the secrets of the ages is found in peace, but peace is only achieved through LOVE.
This sad state of being hopeless, works it's way to the bone.
Ripping up fruit and destroying homes.
Burn it, Burn it, a pyromaniacs dream.

When these thoughts are so unclear, that you don't know what they mean-
Twisted and beaten, torn up, and broken.

But wait, I haven't spoken-

Amazing, how life throws the curve when you least expect it.
Almost as if it is waiting on you to step up to the plate all along, while taunting, "Swing batter, batter, swing."
Then, when you finally hit the damn thing, it’s a foul ball.

It's fucked up...
You know that saying how you hurt the one's you love?
Well, it works both ways.

Funny isn't it... that this poor, homely of a subject would be the girth of this story.

But that's just how it work...
The punch line of the joke just happens to be the person thrown in the riddle of the game.

Now, what I don't understand is how some insignificant, little speck on the ass of society could cause such an ungodly rash-
I think a topical ointment might be needed on 2nd base...

Beside the point, life doesn't make sense.
It is all so very confusing, the players change but the rules are the same.

And every time I swing and miss I catch myself striking out on the first try.
What a devastating blow to the catcher’s testicular fortitude.
He didn't need kids anyway.

Why is this?
That’s almost like
"What's the meaning of life?"
The six-million dollar question

On top of that, Everything around you is constantly changing.

Just here, in this moment I have realized that nothing is the same as it was.
Even five minutes ago something was different than it is now. Odd, when you think about it.
How do we live in a world where everything was literally five minutes ago?

I am trying to figure this out... let me see.
If everything changes and is not constant,
how do we accurately portray reality?

Cause that's the point, isn't it?
To rely on that one thing that’s constant.
But what is it?

What do we seek that is so instinctive to our human nature?

Love is constant-
True Love is constant-
Through bad and good,
Love is constant.

It is with you when you're down and out-
And when you fly above the crowd.
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Re: Inertia

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I was once left out in the rain for so long-
Becoming rust resisting, existing only, a lonely stone.
Remaining strange, staying unchanged, misplaced=
My space, in a disgraced garden for never belonging...
Bearing my thorns right out in the open...
Why would I lie?
Why would I even try to hide?
Shining bright wide open through a blinding sky.
And a crystalline veil, well, to magnify my sight.
Confiding cries in my minds twilight.
While a box of my tears appear under cover with a built in skylight.
Exposed pride from inside, in spite sly spies, spinning and convincing lies.
While a wise child sighs, open wide tired eyes-
Despite hunger, my son you shall never fall under...
Whatever the weather the thunder will run seeking cover.
Suffer not younger brother-
Fear for an in-disclosed hope chose your purpose yet undiscovered.
Would this quake chase away thin faith in haste?
Or shall unshaken awaken, a forsaken notion to run away?
So then, if you were he, when he and I agree-
Would we be pleased in conceding and sewing a seed to grow free?
Holding love in place of greed...
Filling holes till souls overflow so that need never be known
Your first purpose is now complete.
Proceed freely, believing, we soon shall meet...
Very nice work, very rhythmic.

There's an obvious sense of style in your writings.

Is this new or something from catalog?

Thank you for sharing.
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Old 02-13-2010, 03:43 PM   #11
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Re: (Choice of Explicitives) & also, Hallelujah...

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Our choices don't dictate us or make us,
The resulting consequence shouldn't change us or break us.
Can't shake us or forsake us, provided fear doesn't deceive us to believe it.
If you can conceive it, achieve it.
Your security seems to be misery so leave it, delete it.
Trust me, you won't need it.
I'm so tired of this petty shed of regrets you've chosen a home in.
Why would you dwell in a well of your failures?
Focus forward on the light.
If you can't see it, open your eyes.
Find the mind you left behind. Embrace the tears you cry.
I promise someday we'll fly.
One day we may realize, look inside for new heights, hypothesize that imagination is so much larger than the expanse of the sky.
Excuses are useless; brandishing bruises can't get you through this.
Screw the to-do list, it's all so foolish.
Find time for life, take it with you, make haste, It's all there to spend, not a good thing to waste.
If you take time you'll have it, never take it for granted, it goes by so fast, it may someday soon pass us, we can't sit on our asses and hope time will last us....
Is this a rap?
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Re: (Choice of Explicitives) & also, Hallelujah...

Just a flow of thoughts man.
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Re: Inertia

no, this IS new, I wrote it the same day I read your advice.
Thank you, glad you like it
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Re: (Choice of Explicitives) & also, Hallelujah...

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Just a flow of thoughts man.
It would have been fine if it was. I was just curious.
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Re: (Choice of Explicitives) & also, Hallelujah...

CEILING UNLIMITED, ACTION!
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Rewarding read.
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Weather

This light is so familiar.
Fading away, Jaded today-
Just more to bear along the way.
Do you see me?
See, what I’m trying to say-
Is that It’s harder to explain
When you haven’t even felt the pain.
And since there is no explanation.
No redeeming revelation,
A formula to this equation-
Simply...Run away.
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You did a really great job with this one.
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Re: Weather

I reread this a couple times since my initial post and thought I'd elaborate.

To me, the light represented hopefulness. Then the fleeting glance is gone, leaving behind its residue or baggage. It's hard to explain when the other person doesn't have the context because they haven't "felt the pain" since you can't decode the disappointment maybe it's best that they don't understand the equation. Naivety is beautiful, so if we can shoulder the weight and take the hit... maybe we should.

I choose to allow the poem to abandon hope but then find it again.

Plus, and Gonzo I think you'll like this, If you have more access to seeing the possibilities of how a scenario can go, doesn't that give you a sense of obligation to "protect" the other person. Meaning if someone has to get hurt, is it fair to blindside them with conflict if you can see it coming and prevent it? Although preventing it might cost you to take the damage... If you can see it coming you can prepare for it.

In this scenario I can either react by A)_______ or B)_________

Reaction A) will result in __________
Reaction B) will result in __________

If A) is - Let them take the damage
If B) is - Prepare myself to take the hit for them

If you consider yourself a noble person, this is the perfect chance to test yourself.

A) - results in them paying the price for something you could have spared them, they may even suffer emotional distress because of this.

B) - results in you realizing what is going on, acting accordingly (and based off of choice instead of reaction) and handling a situation with competence in order to protect someone you care about.

Which is the rational choice?
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so then, let's say in scenario A we are living in tornado alley. i see a weather warning on the tv, and even though the weather is pleasant outside still, i get the warning and take care of my home. i know my neighbor does not have cable and is out in the fields working. do i let this go?

no. i'd go to scenario B. we live in TA. i see a WW on tv. i take care of my home, and knowing what i know, i rush next door to do the right thing regardless of what happens to me. i can see the months ahead and my choice is either; let it go and live with the distress, or put myself in a pickle and run next door regardless because i would rather be able to live w/ my actions in the future.

however, i think this changes from the big things down to the little things.

again for instance, my child gets chocolate for easter. in scenario A i let them keep all their chocolate, i let them eat it as they may, and don't even mention tummy aches. am i teaching them about their choices in a controlled environment?
in scenario B, my child gets chocolate at easter. i remember what i did last year and this year I keep their chocolate, I give them 4pieces a day, and there is no mention of tummy aches. or did they simply learn this lesson on their own last year.

i guess it all comes down to information, a particular individuals sensibilities, and what sort of grit said individual is made of when faced with these choices life throws at them.

i've rambled. simply, life is complicated.
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Re: Weather

^ I agree it's case specific and has multiple inputs/outputs. From the big things to the little things it's all about scaling in and out. Seeing how the little details effect the large concepts etc. I just thought it was an interesting way to illustrate a previous point.
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yes it is interesting. especially when we layer these choice scenarios with the concept of weather.

we, humans, like to try to predict both; behaviour and weather, even though both are unpredictable.

even w/ all the information we could gather, i believe it could only add up to about 1/10 of the total information altogether. in that the truth is like an iceberg, our perceptional apparatus only lets us see the tip of anything.

predicting human behaviour; environment, economics, education, and expectations we could quantify, but at the cellular and synaptic levels well, who knows. memories. joys, traumas, dreams; unknowable.

the weather; again the tip can be measured by instruments but at the sub-atomic level well, again, who knows.

here's a tangential monkey wrench re: the tip of the iceberg. our conscious mind works at (well here my knowledge is foggy) the alpha level. during anaesthesia (spelling) we count backwards from a 100. consider this a ladder down into our mind. we're conscious for 4-5 rungs. there are 95 more rungs down into the delta level.

weirdness occurs in the underground, in the things we can't see.

does this make any sense?
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Re: Weather

re: run away

disclaimer...sorry if this is derailing this thread, but i would like to get it out. i need a cathartic moment.

today at school one of my students comes into class wearing his sunglasses all cool like the snowboarders at the Olympics, the glasses situated on the top of his head. i say, "looking good man." no reason to get excited, i think. and for two hours or more no adult says anything about his sunglasses.
then later, going to the library, the Principal yells at the student to "get those glasses off!"
all the other adults turn on the student, three adults, and say, "yes, now get those sunglasses off," all sucking up to the leader.

now here's the grudge. we didn't tell the student to get them off for two hours. and not saying anything for two hours, in my mind, is the same as saying yes and condoning the wearing of the glasses. nobody came right out and said anything specific. letting it go is the same as allowing it.

so, i took the hit. i told the adults it was my fault. w/ all the information i had about the whole affair, i sincerely felt that i should take the blame for the whole sunglasses incident.

this is one of those reasons why students don't trust adults. we're fickle like the weather. and too quick to transfer consequences or blame onto others.
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Wow..thanks for such intuitive feedback. I'll have to re read it all and give you 2 some as well, unfortunatly, conveying thoughts through an I-phone isn't what it's cracked out to be so le me get to a real computer and surely by them I'll have something to say. Thanks again, I like you guys :) hey who has a myspace?
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we, humans, like to try to predict both; behaviour and weather, even though both are unpredictable.
Nice, I was afraid of derailing the conversation as well. The weather tie in keeps it relevant and brings the discussion back around.

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does this make any sense?
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so, i took the hit. i told the adults it was my fault. w/ all the information i had about the whole affair, i sincerely felt that i should take the blame for the whole sunglasses incident.
What was the outcome of this?

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Wow..thanks for such intuitive feedback.
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Wow..thanks for such intuitive feedback. I'll have to re read it all and give you 2 some as well, unfortunatly, conveying thoughts through an I-phone isn't what it's cracked out to be so le me get to a real computer and surely by them I'll have something to say. Thanks again, I like you guys :) hey who has a myspace?
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i know yall have your thoughts on myspace, but i was just asking...

and no, i love your feedback. it really helps me in my writing and even, gives me new insights that honestly-i've really needed here lately.

i've been stuck in a dysmal cycle, but this thread...well, Visceral Primate and Gonzo-
it's really helping me get by.
see, some of your writings actually reflect exactly what the fuck i'm dealing with in REAL LIFE right now...sometimes it's difficult to find the words to say or even grasp for an answer that will bring you what? just another way to temporarily be happy?

Fuck that.

Pain is the catalyst of your own metamorphosis.
And Art/Writing/Music...is the direction i choose.
Not using your pain as an excuse to spiral out...
Everyone hurts.
But we all have path to choose.

and like, 'Gravity'

"I choose to live"
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i know yall have your thoughts on myspace, but i was just asking...

and no, i love your feedback. it really helps me in my writing and even, gives me new insights that honestly-i've really needed here lately.

i've been stuck in a dysmal cycle, but this thread...well, Visceral Primate and Gonzo-
it's really helping me get by.
see, some of your writings actually reflect exactly what the fuck i'm dealing with in REAL LIFE right now...sometimes it's difficult to find the words to say or even grasp for an answer that will bring you what? just another way to temporarily be happy?

Fuck that.

Pain is the catalyst of your own metamorphosis.
And Art/Writing/Music...is the direction i choose.
Not using your pain as an excuse to spiral out...
Everyone hurts.
But we all have path to choose.

and like, 'Gravity'

"I choose to live"
We're glad you find something productive from coming here man. I've really enjoyed reading your work as well as hearing your input on the subjects we've discussed.

I look forward to reading more of your work and seeing your perspective.
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I agree. There have been some unique synchronistic nuances radiating from these poems and discussions.

Sort of feels like floating in a Jungian 'stream of universal consciousness.'

Your thanks is reciprocated. Carry on.
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I've felt so alone in this life, where my head is at...
Nobody 'Gets it'...Nobody cares.
Sometimes the only way to accuratly express myself and understand-
Is through Art.

It's affirming to know there are like minded individuals out there still, with a lot to say.
Every post is a revelation, and I really do feel blessed that these forums have come into my life.

So much to learn yet.

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There have been some unique synchronistic nuances radiating from these poems and discussions.

Sort of feels like floating in a Jungian 'stream of universal consciousness.'
I completely agree, the conversations have been amazing in tune with each other. Very give and take, very balanced.

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It's affirming to know there are like minded individuals out there still, with a lot to say.
Every post is a revelation, and I really do feel blessed that these forums have come into my life.
When it comes to need fulfillment, sometimes you'll never find what you're looking for unless you branch out. I've found that message boards, such as this one, are a place where I can find a certain amount of gratification. Some people dismiss the internet as a faceless medium that can't serve as a substitute for feeling connected to others. I've never really agreed with that stance, I think it can be used to build a false construct of something we're not (ego-driven internet persona) which is unfortunate. However, when people are authentic and when they're given a chance to discuss what's relevant to them and contribute to a series of ideas I think people can feel good about that.

I've used this example on another post, but it's relevant again plus the point is still the same ---
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the lens in which we look through to see the world is the way that we interpret information.

Think of it like this. If you have a coke can on the table and you have a group of people sitting around it everyone can see a different part of the coke can, this is their interpretation of what the coke can is. However, since no one can see the entire coke can they have an incomplete understanding of the can as a whole. It's important to try to understand someone elses frame of reference because you can use their interpretation to build a model of their context. You can also begin to see more of the can.
The point is that everyone has something to offer, your ontogeny (everything that has shaped you into who you are and how you see the world) makes "your reality" very distinct. Yet, it does not make it actuality. So often it's easy to assume we all live in the same ideas, that's not true. At times we can be passed over because there are incongruent perceptions from our own, it's easy to get dismissed and feel like you were cheated from sharing your input. Yet, isn't that so often the price intelligent minds pay? I guess the trick is this: when you know that a certain amount of people won't get what you're talking about they become a wall. Sometimes we measure our freedom by the obvious parameters that surround us (Kafka tie in for you Gonz) However, if we stare at a wall that's always going to be there we'll never make progress... Choose to turn around. Treat a wall as such, find freedom where you can and enjoy it. To bang your head against the wall will only cause discontent and a cycle of negativity...
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Building a model of someone's context is relevant through a couple of other conversations we've had lately... Gonzo, do you know what I'm talking about?
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Building a model of someone's context is relevant through a couple of other conversations we've had lately... Gonzo, do you know what I'm talking about?
uh, there is a blackness where my memory should be, plz remind me...
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the outcome of the sunglasses incident i think is that the student trusts me a little more than they did before.

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the outcome of the sunglasses incident i think is that the student trusts me a little more than they did before.
Nice, well handled. You saw the benefit and you went for it, gaining the students trust wasn't so much the goal as it was doing what was right.

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we, humans, like to try to predict both; behaviour and weather, even though both are unpredictable.

even w/ all the information we could gather, i believe it could only add up to about 1/10 of the total information altogether.
Our incomplete predictions of behavior reflect our arrogance. However, certain physiological principles will often help predict generalized patterns of behavior. Building a context of an individual by charting different experiences from their life will help you not only understand their lens, it will also give you a generalized idea of how they would react in a given scenario.

For instance, if you take a kid who's been abused and you try to teach them something that involves discipline, the kid will almost always cower from the lesson because they've constructed so many defense mechanisms to cope. So when you confront tough issues they will always ego guard because they're trying to protect themselves from vulnerability. If you can anticipate that reaction, maybe there's a backdoor.

To build onto a running model that we've been talking about, to help someone overcome something maybe it's relevant to address the issue from multiple standpoints while working at the same idea. It's a slightly different slant from the reaction A) and reaction B) topic, but since there was context to bring it up I thought you might be savvy to give it a ponder and figure out its application.
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HAHA wow, there is so much I still have to read!
The tool forum isn't some convention, IT'S A LIFESTYLE!!! .....just kidding.
Maybe I should get off my ass and redeem myself to my eclectic nature, and of course-
My roots with Tool :)
Anyways.

This ones great Gonzo, and I recieved everything you said prior to this but I'm still laughing lol
"i've rambled. simply, life is complicated."

Your scenerio's were perfection! And this really made me smile :)

More posts to come!
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Gozno your metaphor with weather and behavior was amazing.
We lament about the future nobody knows, that cycle of over-analyzing is the very thing that brings you down.
Contend with making every moment NOW mean something valuble.
Fretting about the things we can't change-Changes Nothing.
Interesting how the scenerio of Visc. Primates ( A:____ B:____) example manifested with the situation of the sunglasses...I'm glad you chose the latter :)

Also, Visc. Primate-
Your analogy on perspective was great.
It's amazing seeing a person who is so narcissitic and you might as well say they're their own '13th. Step'-They think they have it all figured out when really, their greatest flaw is what is right in front of them. Not that they didn't want to see it, but sometimes it literally takes anothers perspective on the situation to point out something you wouldn't or couldn't have seen on your own.

Scared of vulnerability because the unkown just might be what beckons for them to rise to the higher calling.
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i'm heading into work today to try and get a couple fellas out of their solemn worried cages. or double skins, if you want. protection from the dipshits, i guess.

forgiveness, and unconditional trust is where i'll start. whoa-who:)
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Do what you do man, I hope their minds are open.
But, then again...new age hipsters...
Anyways, hope it all works out man-
I'll say a prayer for you lol

stay in touch.
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