I sincerely apologise if this has been stated before, but, in Kabir's review of 10,000 days from the listening party he went to a week ago, I found a compelling clue to support the hoax theory.

Kabir says that he was told that Viginti Tres is a segue.

Good point, well made. Surely it would of been referred to as a walk out track, or something similar. Segue just ties pieces of music together.

But perhaps we shouldn't delve too deep into semantics.

wow. i guess you just proved all the non-believers wrong, didn't you?
mr. S-M-R-T!

that "back cover" looks suspiciously photochopped

I don't think the leak is by any means a hoax. I really like it, but that $27 import on amazon is just weird to me, and also keeps the chance alive we might be getting something more on may 16 (import release date) Just ideal thinking, wait and see

fucking right. eat glass dickweeds. would you spout the same shit if you'd bought the album on May 2nd?

I've only allowed myself to listen to Vicarious and The Pot.

The Pot is stinking HILARIOUS! "who are you to wave your finger? who are you to wave your FATTY FINGERS at me?"

WHAAATTT??!!!???

Did Maynard just say, "Fatty Finger?"

what's next?
"Who are you to wave your Fatty-fat Fatty fat fats fingers? Fatteroni Fatogoli with Cheese!"

anyone else think it's funny?

Son, I think you just proved that Tool is now it's own religion, along with it's own misguided followers. But which camp is misguided?

I say the people who like this album are the misguided, because I obviously think this album is pretty awful.

Let the jihad roll on.

i giggle in a high voice right here

pretty sure they are allowed to completly fuck over fans, music stores etc, by giving them false info, false promotion etc, but i am sure they will have to release something may 1st. if they don't it would of been a waste of time and hype, look at the hype 10kd days has started, and when peple realise it was a fake it will only create more publicity.

You guys are supposed to be Tool fans. You are the ones who study every musical note and put every word under a microscope. This is not A+ material. This leak is just full of out takes and gags. It is refreshing to hear them play new songs after a 5 year absence. But a man dying of thirst would be grateful to have a drink of muddy water.

This leak came out of no where. It is very unusual. Things like music and other copyrighted material usually show up on Usenet first not Torrents. And there is more than a single source….That group takes credit for it too. And it was encoded in m4a’s. That is just weird. It’s usually encoded to Mp3’s in either VBR or 256kb or higher. Even if Joe Shmoe got a hold of this album, don’t you think others would as well? This thing wasn’t even in shipment when it was leaked.

If this happens to be the real deal I will Man Up and admit I was wrong….. Could you?

You know, I find it hard to believe that I'm the only one who noticed that this mysterious leak happened right before april 20th. Jesus, there's a song on there about people being high, and the leak happens right before international weed day...

Still having fun I see ;)

Okay chodaboy, we recognize that you're a fucking idiot, but man... your trolling techniques need serious work. For one... try posting something that someone might respect first, then turn around and say something absolutely retarded.

It makes for MUCH better drama.

Troll? At least my post had content. Yours is just insults. How about being constructive.

He's got a point, there. Besides, everyone knows trolling only gets worse when you actually pay attention to the troll. Message Boarding 101.

Of course, Magnolia et al have a poin as well. The first post you made sounded quite retarded, choda, even though there was some content in it. Still, at least you got better, and actually provided a reasoning for believing the decoy theory, instead of just saying "nuh uh, you fucking dumb! Gtfo"

Oh by the way, I feel that "gtfo" is the new "stfu" - a shorthand best used for frustrated Halo players and guys who masturbate while playing Magic Online.

Wise words. I'm all for a heated debate, but I struggle to bite my lip when morons post such inane attempts at being derogotory. Please put in more effort people, because you appear embarresingly childlike in many of your comments.

[QUOTE= This forum is full of children. Ya know, the Britney Spears version of Tool fans. Im sure they walk around decked out in black tee shirts and black baggy pants, spouting off about "conformist assholes" and repeating their mantra "think for yourselves, question authority" lol. Tool makes mature music for mature adults.
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I don't think Tool has a "you must be this old to listen" policy. If you enjoy what your listening to why does it matter if you get the deeper meanings, most of the interpreatations on this site probably aren't "right" anyways, but the fact that the music has evoked this much thought and discussion is cool by itself.

Walking around in my black tee and baggy black pants,

-Brian

Why does anyone bother to post on here anyways? You can't win on an internet form. I ask myself the question and its because my Ego tells me I'm RIGHT. I know it all. I know the answer and my pigheaded equation will surely change the other pigheaded dumbasses mind. I can't even spell forum right.

I think if the band wanted to create a good hoax, they wouldnt have been idiots and photocopied the back!?
God I hate conspiracy theorists...always 'but..'
SHUT UP, ITS REAL, BUY THE ALBUM AND GO AWAY.

I have seen three times now the last track of the album being referred to something other than what it currently is (a bunch of noise as far as I am concerned). On this forum, in a thread about a Polish interview/review, the Polish reviewer says that the last track of the album is in "interesting instrumental".

The Amazon.com review says that the Viginiti Tres is a "mood enhancing soundscape".

Finally, in the recent Danny Carey interview he mentioned something about the last track being much more fitting or something.

In any case it sounds like Tool might have replaced what we think of as the Viginiti Tres noise track and replaced it with something decent. I can't imagine the opposite happening, where a 5 minute instrumental was the last track and Tool yanked it to replace it with utter shit.

dont have the leaked material... dont have the leaked material... darn it im dying of curiosity...arggh... still better than arguing though.

this hoax shit is utter lunacy, and anyone still subscribing to the belief that Tool (along with Sony BMG) would spend thousands of pounds recording, promoting and manufacturing a "fake" album is utterly preposterous.

i also find the idea that people would perpetuate such an idea as a joke equally preposterous. but, the longer this shit drags on, the more i hope you folks are having a laugh.

at this point, its farely safe to say that if you believe 10,000 Days is a fake, a joke, a hoax, or some kind of "bad" album, you are an idiot. the proof is behind your eyes.

i don't quite get the point of this hoax-discussion. i mean, what's the difference? either you like the music - or you don't. personally, i like the "leak version" no matter if it's "genuine tool" or not. the answer to the hoax-question only changes the way i see the band as such, not the music itself.

btw - i really like the idea of a fake album. it would be perfect advertising - just think of all the discussions going on about wheter the leaked version is the real album or not (eg this one :). everybody would be eager to buy the real album as soon as it's in stores to see if he was right about the hoax theory. but after listening to this "hoax" album, i can't really believe that it IS a hoax. nevertheless, as i've said, i like the idea.

Fuck all this hoax shit.
I'll wait 'till 2nd may.

The album is real! I was wrong. However, I still think it is a funny album for the most part. It is hard to take it seriously.

Songs I like

Vicarious-Good, Very Tool sounding.
Wings-Good, but could have been better.

Thats it.

My friend gave me the leaked album and I broke it in half in front of his face. I will get the album on may 2nd and not steal from the band.

it's a hoax....

You can play magic online now? Now my cards won't get all messy

Thats awesome of you. The band members lurk here and sets asside special tickets and backstage passed for self righteous people so I'd check my inbox frequesntly if I were you.

I don't feel I stole from the band. If anything, the leak just sold more copies to me to dole out to friends that I feel ought to know MORE than they think they do about TOOL. I'll be buying 8-9 of them on 5/2 and I have always bought multiple copies of their releases. Why wouldn't you want to spread the wealth about the greatest band on the planet? I believe the majority of the people that downloaded the leak will also buy the CD; even the people who SAY they hate it. It's starting to grow on a lot of those people, but of course they feel like they have to stick to their original opinions. I respect anyone's opinion on whether they like it or not as long as they can support it with reason. Glad the CD is coming out overseas so the hoax talk can finally die down. Jeez, now we can talk about the music that we do have, not what some were expecting and are disappointed about. For those of you that were able to abstain from stealing (I prefer to refer to it as peeking), I take my hat off to you. You are stronger than I. Five years is a long time.

if you hate it get over and go buy the new godsmack or rhcp

I got a thing or two to say about the whole hoax issue.

:)

I just gotta say that Lipan is probably the hardest proof we have that the album is a hoax. I mean, have you listened to it, really? I cringe everytime I do. I can't help it. It's bad. It feels improvised. I just can't get past this thought. I'm at the point now where the first half of the album is ok, while the second half is intolerable. You have to put yourself through it to listen to the songs. Not really enjoyable.

Then Rosetta Stoned, well, yeah, Maynard's dick is harder... lol

Anyways, time has passed and it now seems as if the album is in fact real. As a tool fan, I accept it. But all I tell my buddies is that this is Tool's worst effort up to date. Emphasize on the word "effort".

Chill out, dudes

Vicariously?

Aye.

Right, you aren't a musician. I'd love to see you try to play any minute of Jambi (save of course the parts where he doesn't play). Time signature changes can be a bitch if you don't know how to play them right. And also, if you didn't notice (and I'm sure you didn't), he leads the other instruments in the time signature changes. Jambi, Rosetta Stoned, The Pot, and Right in Two all as or more complex drumwise alone compared to...say... The Grudge.

Also, The Pot is an amazing song. It has feels from Undertow (right after the opening lyrics), ÆNIMA (toward the end) and Lateralus all in one song.

I'm not going to go on and on, but to end, MJK said this wasn't going to be like his others. He said that it wasn't going to be about the global consciousness or ascension or anything, it's about what he's been dealing with.

But I do hope you're right. If this album's a joke, then I absolutely can't wait for the new one because this kicks ASS.

Wait, are you serious?

I will be buying the RHCP album though. THe single kicks ass. I just hope the rest of the album doesn't "Shit the bed".