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Old 04-26-2006, 09:05 AM   #41
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

10,000 days is actually December of 1978. Bin Laden the antichrist? Wow... just wow! I'm no christian, but even I know that's ridiculous. Perhaps Bin Laden was actually attacking the antichrist. Hmmm...
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

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I think this song is about George Bush earning his wings as a pilot. They denied him when he was in the airforce, they will not anymore! Give the man his wings!
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bin Laden is not and never has been anything anywhere on the scale of the Anti-Christ. Sure, he's a terrorist...but he's only a terrorist mastermind, not one who is actually willing to lay his own life down for the ideals he espouses. If bin Laden was so fervent about what he believes, he would've been ON one of the planes on September 11, 2001.

To say bin Laden is greater than he actually is is simply to play into his delusion of grandeur.
perhaps, but this is the wrong forum for that.
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

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To tell you the truth, the first image that came to mind was Hamlet (yes, Shakespeare).

When the Ghost speaks to Hamlet, he speaks of the fires of purgatory burning away a lifetime of sins.

In this case, 10,000 days of purgatory before the soul is sent home (i.e. cleansed of their sins, and go to Heaven).

Mind you, that's not really applicable to this song, as she wasn't dead, but it's just an image.
Well, she is dead now, and given the concept of Karma, each lifetime is exactly what you describe- a purgatory for the cleansing of the soul. Her Karmic burden was to be paralyzed, and to endure that painful existence for 10,000 days. This song sounds like a meditation directing energy towards Judith's after-death Enlightenment. Maynard feels like she suffered long enough, and now she can return to her spiritual home, which is the same home for all of us (since, after all, "we are eternal, all this pain is an illusion").

On this album, Maynard is using more Sufi imagery as opposed to the Vedic imagery of the past albums. 'Angels' as the enlightened state of man, and 'monkeys' as the creature that man was before he was "inspired" with the Divine spark....
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

wasn't 27 the age of Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain and Janis Joplin when they died?
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

When they came to Knoxville in November, he said "Thank".
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

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I think this song is about George Bush earning his wings as a pilot. They denied him when he was in the airforce, they will not anymore! Give the man his wings!
rofl, I just spit water on my keyboard at work.
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

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It's simple really. The tool album is released in 2006. It's entitled 10,000 days, about 27 years right, simple arithmetic: 2006+27 equals 2033, the Gregorian calendar marks two dates in Christian belief that are most important, Good Friday and Easter; in 2033 coming exactly 2000 years after Christ was crucified and resurrected. So now we must wait patiently in this fire that we vicariously live by (refer back to vicarious). In the hope and faith that Jesus and the Mehdi speak.

I thought the guy that went 27 years back to 1979 gave it a good go. Somehow his is more immediate contentwise with the whole Iran thing.

i want to hear more about this.
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

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i want to hear more about this.
Why? He's completely off the mark.
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

Jmk's own personal hell she lived with, until her death. As for the word " fire " of course it's hell ...but those are mjk's feelings, she was deep into her faith so i'm sure "counted her blessings" as they say.



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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

You're all wrong...
27 years ago there was a movie made about the real savior! This movie perfectly explains the reason for maynards' resent towards christianity.. or so it seems... Check it out, you probably know the movie in your uncontious:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079470/
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

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I went to one of the concerts during the Thirtheenth Step Tour and he definitely said "fuck Your God"... Perhaps this change was only there on the lohner remixes...who knows.
He says fuck your god on my album
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Old 04-30-2006, 03:57 PM   #53
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

Go listen to Jimmy on Aenima. It's been 10,000 days (give or take) since 1975 - when he was "11"... That's when he waved goodbye to "her". He strayed away from all that she believed then. Coincidently, Saturn's orbit (see "the grudge" - "Saturn comes back around") is around 29.4 years - thus, this cycle is completed and he is wide awake and heading home - whereas "she" is now dead and has gone home - 10,000 days since he strayed, now he's wide awake and heading home - although he has a different perspective of the divine than her, she nevertheless showed him that it is possible to "be" divine (10,000 days lyrics: "Who could deny you were the one who illuminated my piece of the divine"). I won't say more than this - keep digging.
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

this song is about jimi hendrix, janis joplin, kurt cobain and jim morisson

the 27 year old curse

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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

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It's his about his mom in the wheelchair for 27 years. End of discussion.

Exactly, she (Judith) lived for 10,000 days of hell (in the fire) being paralyzed. Perhaps he is referring to himself as living for 10,000 days of hell having to watch his mother like that.
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

i duno y everyone is findign this song so hard to interpret it's written very simply.

its a eulogy for his mum - in everyway
its slow paced, even though its 12 mins long- there are the atmospheric thunder sounds.
thelyrics are plain and simple, the fire symbolizes suffering of course, i don't know why everyone needs to refer to purgatory on earth or whatever.
i don't see any political connections what so ever.

judith is my least favourite MJK song in the world - but i understand that the theme is similar to that of 10,000 days, it's just that the 'fuck your god' line is lame imo- but it's cool that some of you dig it.

the style in which the lyrics are written is cool, he 'suspends his belief', since i think he doesnt actually believe in the christian heaven and shit but he does so to make the story work.
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

I think it's about Nard's mom... her suffering for 10,000 days during a stroke... but, was she religious or something? Where do these Biblical references come from?
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

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I think it's about Nard's mom... her suffering for 10,000 days during a stroke... but, was she religious or something? Where do these Biblical references come from?
Did you bother to read the rest of the thread, or did you just hit reply?
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

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Exactly, she (Judith) lived for 10,000 days of hell (in the fire) being paralyzed. Perhaps he is referring to himself as living for 10,000 days of hell having to watch his mother like that.

indeed.
"she never told a lie. well, might have told a lie, but never lived one." and maybe even, "Judith Marie, unconditional one." those seem to sum it up, if you haven't taken a chance to absorb the seventeen minutes and thirty-two seconds of eulogistic beauty that is so obviously directed to his mother. a peek into his reality. 10,000 days in hell on earth i.e. "the Fire." is long enough. your going home.
you know, now that i think about it. probably not even "hell on earth," but definitely daily struggles and trials and tribulation, and all of that which stemmed from the paralyzed state.
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

as someone else pointed out "the fire" could also be a reference to purgatory, which is said, in some versions, to be a fire that burns away your sins.. and you spend however long it takes in purgatory until you're purged, and only then you can ascend to heaven.. so he's bascially saying, "ok you've been in purgatory for 10,000 days, you can go straight on up."

and lol @ smeefsmeef.. wait.. that *was* supposed to be a joke, right? :p
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

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as someone else pointed out "the fire" could also be a reference to purgatory, which is said, in some versions, to be a fire that burns away your sins.. and you spend however long it takes in purgatory until you're purged, and only then you can ascend to heaven.. so he's bascially saying, "ok you've been in purgatory for 10,000 days, you can go straight on up."
That's an interesting interpretation I hadn't considered. Good one.
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

I completely agree that the 'fire' is purgatory. I think Maynard is describing his Mother's death on earth as happening from the moment she became paralysed. 'Eleven and she was gone. Eleven is when we waved good-bye' - she 'died' and went to purgatory when he was 11, spent 10, 000 days there and as bogsnarth explained, then she ascended. Her real death took her straight to heaven.
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You all are talking as if you know he's talking about his mother for sure. Did you ever stop to think that there are other things he might have meant by it? Think about what Tool talks about in all the albums..it's a spiritual type of guidance in a way. If you where in a band that has as many fans as Tool would you write most of your music about your mom....or would you make it aimed more towards the audience that's listening? If I was in his position I would probably write a song about my mom, but I wouldn't base my most awaited album of all time around it.
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Are you serious? He says her name - that's a pretty big hint.
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

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It's simple really. The tool album is released in 2006. It's entitled 10,000 days, about 27 years right, simple arithmetic: 2006+27 equals 2033, the Gregorian calendar marks two dates in Christian belief that are most important, Good Friday and Easter; in 2033 coming exactly 2000 years after Christ was crucified and resurrected. So now we must wait patiently in this fire that we vicariously live by (refer back to vicarious). In the hope and faith that Jesus and the Mehdi speak.
Interesting. I don't think I fully buy this yet...because I don't think Tool is going to be telling me about the second coming...but still, interesting thought nonetheless.
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Are you serious? He says her name - that's a pretty big hint.
Hmm, QFE.
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The song is about Maynards mother and her suffering, but being such a good person nonetheless. He shows his love and apprecciation for everything that she did. "Give me my wings" is so awesome lyrically, because it's Maynard's way to say that she was an angel all the time (word play I guess) and now she has got the right to have her "wings" along with the ability to move. Maybe Maynard in the past was bad to her because of her religion but now he is accepting it or something like that. Nonetheless, the title is also refering to something anybody said, I read it at Wikipedia, but it seems like they've taken it out.
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The year 2033 (MMXXXIII) :

Predicted events

* In accordance with traditional values that Jesus was born in 1 BC or 1 AD, Good Friday and Easter of 2033 will be two of the most historic days for Christianity, marking the 2000th year since Jesus the Christ was crucified and resurrected.
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Holy focking shit.
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

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You all are talking as if you know he's talking about his mother for sure.
And you're talking like you know something I don't.

I'm dying to hear it.
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when i heard this and read the lyrics i assumed the fire refered to being in hell


yeah me too
she suffered for 27 years being being paralyzed so I guess maynard thought that was hell


So I just insert hell in place of fire for it's meaning

"10000 days in the hell is long enough..."

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Hmm, QFE.
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Meaning?
QFE -

An acronym for Quoted for Emphasis, it's used to help drive a point home to someone who's fairly dimwitted. Also used when someone makes an exceedingly good point, and people want to make sure that it gets across. Usually seen used in internet forums.

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This song ranks right up there with Ænema as being extremely straightforward. Seriously, having such a debate over the meaning of the song, or even something as simple as the refrence to fire in the song seems kind of silly.

It's already been said, but for some reason at very great length. "10,000 days in the fire is long enough, You're going home!" It basically translates into "27 years of being in a paralyzed and otherwise overwhelming state of helplessness, get your ass up to heaven and kick God in the nuts". Perhaps not that brutal of a definition, but really that's it in a nutshell.

Yes, it's a beautiful song, and to sit here debating whether it's about Bin Laden, Bush, the "real" Hell, the Anti-christ, whatever is just dumb, and practically ruins the beauty of this song. Really, it isn't complicated at all, and acting like it is will get you nowhere.
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Its like 12 minutes of driving rain with the base just driving the song. At first, it annoyed me to not be able to hear maynard with my 3 and 5 year olds bothering me but then got the chance to listen to it by myself and fell in love. What ever it is about doesn't matter to me but I do think he is letting himself "believe" in a god again. Fun stuff but probably the last tool album.
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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

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This song ranks right up there with Ænema as being extremely straightforward. Seriously, having such a debate over the meaning of the song, or even something as simple as the refrence to fire in the song seems kind of silly.

It's already been said, but for some reason at very great length. "10,000 days in the fire is long enough, You're going home!" It basically translates into "27 years of being in a paralyzed and otherwise overwhelming state of helplessness, get your ass up to heaven and kick God in the nuts". Perhaps not that brutal of a definition, but really that's it in a nutshell.

Yes, it's a beautiful song, and to sit here debating whether it's about Bin Laden, Bush, the "real" Hell, the Anti-christ, whatever is just dumb, and practically ruins the beauty of this song. Really, it isn't complicated at all, and acting like it is will get you nowhere.


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i agree, maybe it is time for you to see how U relate to this song other than to think what is it about?

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"10,000 days in the fire is long enough", is definitly a reference to the time his mother spent confined to a wheelchair, dealing with the tragic effects of a brain aneurysm. There is no need to read into every song so deep, some things are right on the surface.

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QFE -

An acronym for Quoted for Emphasis, it's used to help drive a point home to someone who's fairly dimwitted. Also used when someone makes an exceedingly good point, and people want to make sure that it gets across. Usually seen used in internet forums.

They're saying I'm wrong..I just don't want to believe it.

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Re: "10000 days in the fire is long enough..."

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Well I used to just say, "He changed the lyrics," but I've been challenged on that and unable to verify it one way or the other.

I know for a fact that it was changed in the Lohner remix for Underworld and aMOTIOn. I also know that the shows I saw in 2004 featured the changed lyrics.

However, I do not know if he changed those lyrics during every performance of the Thirteenth Step tour. I'd dig through APC.net, but Skwerl's media stash is down for now. That's on my list of things to do once it's back up.
i have a bunch of concerts from the 13th step tour, and not once in the ones i have does he say "thank your god"...and as far as the lohner mix....that mix was out wayyyyy before emotive and lohner just used the "edited" version of the song that appeared on music channels....also when apc would perform the song on tv (leno etc. ) the nard would always say "thank" just to self censor.....
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