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04-23-2006, 12:40 AM
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I'm new here, but here's my interpretation....most of what I've read I agree with...the rest is changed accordingly...

Here from the king's mountain view,
Here from the wild dream come true,
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh, never few.

But I, I would wish it all away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day.

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I fell.
Dabbling all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me.
Lifted me up, turned me 'round
So I,
I,
I,
I...

I would,
I would,
I would,
Wish this all away...

Prayed like a martyr, dusk till dawn,
Begged like a hooker all night long,
Tempted the devil with my song,
And got what I wanted all along.

But I,
And I would,
If I could,
And I would

Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No pressure could hold sway
Or justify my
Kneeling away my sinner/center.

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away.
You're my peace of mind, my home
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day.

Damn my eyes.
Damn my eyes.

Damn my eyes.
If they should compromise
Or fall from what you need to find me then, (This line is still unclear to me)
I might as well be gone.

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent son/sun

Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent son/sun

Shine on upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided I'm withering away
Divided I wither away

Shine on upon the many, light our way
Benevolent son/sun

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
So as one survive
Another day and season

Silence leech, and save your poison
Silence leech, and stay out of my way

(The last two lines are still unclear to me but this is the best interpretation i could find to fit)

I think it's "Hid from the king's...
Hid from the wild dream..."

Considering "Here from..." doesn't make any sense.

And I'm getting "No prize you could hold [could hold] sway
or justify my kneeling away: my sentence"

And I get "Dim my eyes
Dim my eyes
Dim my eyes if they should
compromise a hope of
wanting the divine need then I might as well be gone"

...which I think makes some sense in the context of the meaning of the song.

And I think it's "sun". But I guess we won't know for sure until they post the lyrics on toolband?

"Divide and wither it away"

And the last two lines I get as:

"Silently just save your poison
Silently just stay out of my way."
Old 04-23-2006, 12:40 AM   #81
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Re: Jambi Lyrics

Quote:
Originally Posted by partwarrior
I'm new here, but here's my interpretation....most of what I've read I agree with...the rest is changed accordingly...

Here from the king's mountain view,
Here from the wild dream come true,
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh, never few.

But I, I would wish it all away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day.

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I fell.
Dabbling all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me.
Lifted me up, turned me 'round
So I,
I,
I,
I...

I would,
I would,
I would,
Wish this all away...

Prayed like a martyr, dusk till dawn,
Begged like a hooker all night long,
Tempted the devil with my song,
And got what I wanted all along.

But I,
And I would,
If I could,
And I would

Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No pressure could hold sway
Or justify my
Kneeling away my sinner/center.

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away.
You're my peace of mind, my home
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day.

Damn my eyes.
Damn my eyes.

Damn my eyes.
If they should compromise
Or fall from what you need to find me then, (This line is still unclear to me)
I might as well be gone.

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent son/sun

Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent son/sun

Shine on upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided I'm withering away
Divided I wither away

Shine on upon the many, light our way
Benevolent son/sun

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
So as one survive
Another day and season

Silence leech, and save your poison
Silence leech, and stay out of my way

(The last two lines are still unclear to me but this is the best interpretation i could find to fit)

I think it's "Hid from the king's...
Hid from the wild dream..."

Considering "Here from..." doesn't make any sense.

And I'm getting "No prize you could hold [could hold] sway
or justify my kneeling away: my sentence"

And I get "Dim my eyes
Dim my eyes
Dim my eyes if they should
compromise a hope of
wanting the divine need then I might as well be gone"

...which I think makes some sense in the context of the meaning of the song.

And I think it's "sun". But I guess we won't know for sure until they post the lyrics on toolband?

"Divide and wither it away"

And the last two lines I get as:

"Silently just save your poison
Silently just stay out of my way."
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04-23-2006, 01:32 AM
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He's not saying "Damn my eyes" or "Dim my eyes".... i'm pretty sure he's saying "Jambi eyes". When I first saw the track listing, I though Jambi was pronounced (Johm-bee). Apparently, it's pronounced (Jam-bye). Jambi eyes.
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He's not saying "Damn my eyes" or "Dim my eyes".... i'm pretty sure he's saying "Jambi eyes". When I first saw the track listing, I though Jambi was pronounced (Johm-bee). Apparently, it's pronounced (Jam-bye). Jambi eyes.
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04-23-2006, 02:49 AM
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He's not saying "Damn my eyes" or "Dim my eyes".... i'm pretty sure he's saying "Jambi eyes". When I first saw the track listing, I though Jambi was pronounced (Johm-bee). Apparently, it's pronounced (Jam-bye). Jambi eyes.

Look, in the context of the lyrics..

Damn my eyes if they should compromise

makes a lot more sense

than

jambi eyes if they should compromise
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Originally Posted by Placid_Storm
He's not saying "Damn my eyes" or "Dim my eyes".... i'm pretty sure he's saying "Jambi eyes". When I first saw the track listing, I though Jambi was pronounced (Johm-bee). Apparently, it's pronounced (Jam-bye). Jambi eyes.

Look, in the context of the lyrics..

Damn my eyes if they should compromise

makes a lot more sense

than

jambi eyes if they should compromise
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04-23-2006, 03:23 AM
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id damn near say these are 99% correct

Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh, never few

But I...
I would
Wish it
All away
If I
Thought I'd
Lose you
Just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the darkside i FELL (not found)
Dabbling all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me 'round
So I
I
I
I...

I would
I would
I would
Wish this all away...

Prayed like a father does to dawn (father as in a priest)
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
And I would
If I could
And I would

Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No pressure could hold sway
Or justify my
Kneeling away, my sinner

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away
You're my peace of mind, my home
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

Damn my eyes
jambi eyes

Damn my eyes if they should compromise
Or fall from what sin need you find within
I might as well be gone.

"solo"

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent Son

Shine on upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent Son

Shine on upon the sever
Shine until the two become one

Divided I'm withering away
Divided I wither away

Shine on upon the many, light our way
Benevolent Son

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
So as one survive
Honor the day and season

Silence leech, and save your preaching (definitly preaching not poision)
Silence leech, and stay out of my way

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Old 04-23-2006, 03:23 AM   #84
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id damn near say these are 99% correct

Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh, never few

But I...
I would
Wish it
All away
If I
Thought I'd
Lose you
Just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the darkside i FELL (not found)
Dabbling all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me 'round
So I
I
I
I...

I would
I would
I would
Wish this all away...

Prayed like a father does to dawn (father as in a priest)
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
And I would
If I could
And I would

Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No pressure could hold sway
Or justify my
Kneeling away, my sinner

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away
You're my peace of mind, my home
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

Damn my eyes
jambi eyes

Damn my eyes if they should compromise
Or fall from what sin need you find within
I might as well be gone.

"solo"

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent Son

Shine on upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent Son

Shine on upon the sever
Shine until the two become one

Divided I'm withering away
Divided I wither away

Shine on upon the many, light our way
Benevolent Son

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
So as one survive
Honor the day and season

Silence leech, and save your preaching (definitly preaching not poision)
Silence leech, and stay out of my way

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04-23-2006, 04:04 AM
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Here is my current best guess.

Here from the king's mountain view,
Here from the wild dream come true,
Feast like a sultan I do,
On treasures and flesh never few,

But I, I would, wish it, all away,
If I, thought I'd, lose you, just one day,

The Devil and his had me down,
In love with the dark side I'd found,
Dabbling all the way down,
Up to my neck soon to drown,

But you changed that all for me,
Lifted me up turned me round,
So I, I, I, I, I would, I would, I would wish this all away,
Prayed like a martyr/potter/father? dusk til dawn,
Beg like a hooker all night long,
Shattered?/sheltered?/shafted the devil with my song,
And got what I wanted all along.

But I, I would, If I could, I would
Wish it away, wish it away, wish it all away,
Wanna wish it all away,
No pressure could hold sway
Or justify my
Kneeling away, my sinner?/center

So if I could I'd wish it all away, if I thought tomorrow they'd take you away.

Your my piece of mind my home I said I'm just trying to hold on, one more day,
Damn my eyes,
Damn my eyes,
Damn my eyes if they should comprimise
Or fall from what you need to find me then
I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one
Shine on forever, Shine on benevolent sun
Shine out upon the sinner shine until the two become one,

Divided withering away, divided withering away
Shine out upon the many, light our way
Benevolent sun

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
So as one survive
another day and season
Silence leech, and save your poison
Silence leech and stay out of my way

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Here is my current best guess.

Here from the king's mountain view,
Here from the wild dream come true,
Feast like a sultan I do,
On treasures and flesh never few,

But I, I would, wish it, all away,
If I, thought I'd, lose you, just one day,

The Devil and his had me down,
In love with the dark side I'd found,
Dabbling all the way down,
Up to my neck soon to drown,

But you changed that all for me,
Lifted me up turned me round,
So I, I, I, I, I would, I would, I would wish this all away,
Prayed like a martyr/potter/father? dusk til dawn,
Beg like a hooker all night long,
Shattered?/sheltered?/shafted the devil with my song,
And got what I wanted all along.

But I, I would, If I could, I would
Wish it away, wish it away, wish it all away,
Wanna wish it all away,
No pressure could hold sway
Or justify my
Kneeling away, my sinner?/center

So if I could I'd wish it all away, if I thought tomorrow they'd take you away.

Your my piece of mind my home I said I'm just trying to hold on, one more day,
Damn my eyes,
Damn my eyes,
Damn my eyes if they should comprimise
Or fall from what you need to find me then
I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one
Shine on forever, Shine on benevolent sun
Shine out upon the sinner shine until the two become one,

Divided withering away, divided withering away
Shine out upon the many, light our way
Benevolent sun

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
So as one survive
another day and season
Silence leech, and save your poison
Silence leech and stay out of my way

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04-23-2006, 05:42 AM
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In love with the dark side I'd fell

Up to my neck SOON to drown

Prayed like a martyr does to dawn

Damn my eyes if they should compromise
Or fall from what you need to find me then
I might as well be gone
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In love with the dark side I'd fell

Up to my neck SOON to drown

Prayed like a martyr does to dawn

Damn my eyes if they should compromise
Or fall from what you need to find me then
I might as well be gone
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04-23-2006, 05:53 AM
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In love with the dark side I'd fell

Up to my neck SOON to drown

Prayed like a martyr does to dawn

Damn my eyes if they should compromise
Or fall from what you need to find me then
I might as well be gone
In love with the dark side I'd found makes more sense and rhymes too.
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In love with the dark side I'd fell

Up to my neck SOON to drown

Prayed like a martyr does to dawn

Damn my eyes if they should compromise
Or fall from what you need to find me then
I might as well be gone
In love with the dark side I'd found makes more sense and rhymes too.
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04-23-2006, 05:59 AM
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You Found in love with the dark side?.....Sorry Maynard is a lyricist not a butcher.
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You Found in love with the dark side?.....Sorry Maynard is a lyricist not a butcher.
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Actually In love with the dark side I'd found makes perfest sense. He's saying he is in love with the dark side he has found. It's grammatically correct and fits within the context of the song better.
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Actually In love with the dark side I'd found makes perfest sense. He's saying he is in love with the dark side he has found. It's grammatically correct and fits within the context of the song better.
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Actually In love with the dark side I'd found makes perfest sense. He's saying he is in love with the dark side he has found. It's grammatically correct and fits within the context of the song better.
it is FELL open ya ears jesus christ oh mighty
and found dont make sense
in love with the darkness i found, dabbling all the way down
dont make much sense to me

but

in love with the darkness i FELL, dabbling all the way down
makes prefect sense think about the downward sprial
maynard is saying he fell in love with darkness and was dabbling
all the way down the sprial (if you dont know what dabbling means look it up)
and hes up to his neck soon to drown

then some one lifts him up

who ever says found is correct is a fool and needs to go back to grammar school
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Actually In love with the dark side I'd found makes perfest sense. He's saying he is in love with the dark side he has found. It's grammatically correct and fits within the context of the song better.
it is FELL open ya ears jesus christ oh mighty
and found dont make sense
in love with the darkness i found, dabbling all the way down
dont make much sense to me

but

in love with the darkness i FELL, dabbling all the way down
makes prefect sense think about the downward sprial
maynard is saying he fell in love with darkness and was dabbling
all the way down the sprial (if you dont know what dabbling means look it up)
and hes up to his neck soon to drown

then some one lifts him up

who ever says found is correct is a fool and needs to go back to grammar school
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it is FELL open ya ears jesus christ oh mighty
and found dont make sense
in love with the darkness i found, dabbling all the way down
dont make much sense to me


who ever says found is correct is a fool and needs to go back to grammar school
Look dude... "Fell" doesn't quite fit the rhyme scheme, now does it?

The Devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found
Dabbling all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown

Sound's pretty clear to me at full, 70%, and half-speed.

You don't need to get all pissed off about it... we're each just doing the best that we can... I hope...
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it is FELL open ya ears jesus christ oh mighty
and found dont make sense
in love with the darkness i found, dabbling all the way down
dont make much sense to me


who ever says found is correct is a fool and needs to go back to grammar school
Look dude... "Fell" doesn't quite fit the rhyme scheme, now does it?

The Devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found
Dabbling all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown

Sound's pretty clear to me at full, 70%, and half-speed.

You don't need to get all pissed off about it... we're each just doing the best that we can... I hope...
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it is FELL open ya ears jesus christ oh mighty
and found dont make sense
in love with the darkness i found, dabbling all the way down
dont make much sense to me

but

in love with the darkness i FELL, dabbling all the way down
makes prefect sense think about the downward sprial
maynard is saying he fell in love with darkness and was dabbling
all the way down the sprial (if you dont know what dabbling means look it up)
and hes up to his neck soon to drown

then some one lifts him up

who ever says found is correct is a fool and needs to go back to grammar school
He FOUND the dark side, and fell in love with it.

"In love with the dark side (that) I (have) found"

(That) and (have) are in parentheses because they're understood to be there in the context of the sentence, but aren't needed for it to make sense. There's a grammar lesson for you.

Besides, there's a definite "ow" sound in there, which goes along with (rhymes with) the rest of the stanza... "down", "FOUND", "down", "round"
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Quote:
Originally Posted by primeraz
it is FELL open ya ears jesus christ oh mighty
and found dont make sense
in love with the darkness i found, dabbling all the way down
dont make much sense to me

but

in love with the darkness i FELL, dabbling all the way down
makes prefect sense think about the downward sprial
maynard is saying he fell in love with darkness and was dabbling
all the way down the sprial (if you dont know what dabbling means look it up)
and hes up to his neck soon to drown

then some one lifts him up

who ever says found is correct is a fool and needs to go back to grammar school
He FOUND the dark side, and fell in love with it.

"In love with the dark side (that) I (have) found"

(That) and (have) are in parentheses because they're understood to be there in the context of the sentence, but aren't needed for it to make sense. There's a grammar lesson for you.

Besides, there's a definite "ow" sound in there, which goes along with (rhymes with) the rest of the stanza... "down", "FOUND", "down", "round"
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so how does him telling the legion to shut up and get out of his way imply that he is worshipping satan? i don't think he's found jesus either, mind you, but just something higher. this is just an extension from 'reflections' imho.

oh and i agree with the guy that said it's justify vs just a fine line
Yes it reminds me of Reflection as well. Haven't completely made the tie-in yet, but I think it's there.
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so how does him telling the legion to shut up and get out of his way imply that he is worshipping satan? i don't think he's found jesus either, mind you, but just something higher. this is just an extension from 'reflections' imho.

oh and i agree with the guy that said it's justify vs just a fine line
Yes it reminds me of Reflection as well. Haven't completely made the tie-in yet, but I think it's there.
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I really think it's Shine on benevolent son. I think this may be his mother speaking to him. If you were to assume he is singing Silence leeches, save your poison. Silence leeches, stay out of my way you could assume the leeches are doctors. Save your poison, stay out of my way, it's time for me to die. This would make sense in the context of the story, because then he starts singing about how his mother is dead and needs her wings.
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I really think it's Shine on benevolent son. I think this may be his mother speaking to him. If you were to assume he is singing Silence leeches, save your poison. Silence leeches, stay out of my way you could assume the leeches are doctors. Save your poison, stay out of my way, it's time for me to die. This would make sense in the context of the story, because then he starts singing about how his mother is dead and needs her wings.
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I really think it's Shine on benevolent son. I think this may be his mother speaking to him. If you were to assume he is singing Silence leeches, save your poison. Silence leeches, stay out of my way you could assume the leeches are doctors. Save your poison, stay out of my way, it's time for me to die. This would make sense in the context of the story, because then he starts singing about how his mother is dead and needs her wings.

Well it could be "son", but no one is sure about the end yet. Assuming that he says "leeches" and then also assuming that "leeches" means doctors...I dunno... lots of assumption there.

Maybe he wrote the line so that it could be either "sun" or "son" though. I still like "sun", just because it says "shine down upon the many, light our way"... It just feels right to me.
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I really think it's Shine on benevolent son. I think this may be his mother speaking to him. If you were to assume he is singing Silence leeches, save your poison. Silence leeches, stay out of my way you could assume the leeches are doctors. Save your poison, stay out of my way, it's time for me to die. This would make sense in the context of the story, because then he starts singing about how his mother is dead and needs her wings.

Well it could be "son", but no one is sure about the end yet. Assuming that he says "leeches" and then also assuming that "leeches" means doctors...I dunno... lots of assumption there.

Maybe he wrote the line so that it could be either "sun" or "son" though. I still like "sun", just because it says "shine down upon the many, light our way"... It just feels right to me.
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The line "Or justify my Kneeling away, my sinner?/center", sounds like "or justify my kneeling away my sentence." to me and the closing lines sound like, " silently just take your poison, silently just take your love away."
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The line "Or justify my Kneeling away, my sinner?/center", sounds like "or justify my kneeling away my sentence." to me and the closing lines sound like, " silently just take your poison, silently just take your love away."
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No i dont think hes worshipping Satan in a cheesy black metal sense. Its a reference to Satan as Baphomet its not like he hasnt referenced it before. "As above so below" on Lateralus in fact the lyrics of that album seem to be pretty obsessed with it (see Reflection aswell). Baphomet is seen as a fair judge, benevolent even, but his image is the Satan archetype.

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Taking into account the lyrics from intention aswell, i think this is a reocurring theme.
hm...so i read the wiki exerpt as well as a tiny bit more from the original wiki entry and your post regarding a lateralus interpretation; i have to say that it's some interesting information and i do especially like your pasted smidgen that portrays baphomet as basically everything being in constant balance. i love the idea of neutrality in all things and any disturbance in one is countered by [here comes newton's lawsuit] an equal and opposite disturbance. it's a nice abstract idea and i've kinda clung onto this in some form since i saw 'o brother where art thou' and did some thinking. sounds dumb that i finally figured it out from a movie, but hey.

well ok back on track - i'm still not completely agreeing with you that this is what maynard is trying to reference in these pieces. i'll agree on lateralus possibly, but even then i thought he was more trying to exhibit that every boundary that ever existed for him was giving way. also i'm still not totally certain on jambi or intention, but honestly i don't think i care that much. i believe we're both bringing in our own biases here and arguing to fit our beliefs maybe so let's just leave it at that. you already said it wasn't the 'cheesy black metal satan' so that's good enough for me. haha.

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Also see Chaos in connection with Thelma.
i'll try and check this out later. have a paper to write now. =P

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nah. quite interesting actually, even if we don't fully agree. =)
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No i dont think hes worshipping Satan in a cheesy black metal sense. Its a reference to Satan as Baphomet its not like he hasnt referenced it before. "As above so below" on Lateralus in fact the lyrics of that album seem to be pretty obsessed with it (see Reflection aswell). Baphomet is seen as a fair judge, benevolent even, but his image is the Satan archetype.

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Taking into account the lyrics from intention aswell, i think this is a reocurring theme.
hm...so i read the wiki exerpt as well as a tiny bit more from the original wiki entry and your post regarding a lateralus interpretation; i have to say that it's some interesting information and i do especially like your pasted smidgen that portrays baphomet as basically everything being in constant balance. i love the idea of neutrality in all things and any disturbance in one is countered by [here comes newton's lawsuit] an equal and opposite disturbance. it's a nice abstract idea and i've kinda clung onto this in some form since i saw 'o brother where art thou' and did some thinking. sounds dumb that i finally figured it out from a movie, but hey.

well ok back on track - i'm still not completely agreeing with you that this is what maynard is trying to reference in these pieces. i'll agree on lateralus possibly, but even then i thought he was more trying to exhibit that every boundary that ever existed for him was giving way. also i'm still not totally certain on jambi or intention, but honestly i don't think i care that much. i believe we're both bringing in our own biases here and arguing to fit our beliefs maybe so let's just leave it at that. you already said it wasn't the 'cheesy black metal satan' so that's good enough for me. haha.

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its either damn or dim.
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its either damn or dim.
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No, its absolutely Damn. I just listened to it 4 times, its damn. I can see maybe hes saying Jambi the second time, but the other two are definetly damn.
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No, its absolutely Damn. I just listened to it 4 times, its damn. I can see maybe hes saying Jambi the second time, but the other two are definetly damn.
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i think it is "a love with the darkside ive found" and in what grammar school would you find aenima????????not everyones parents could afford a perfect grammar school. ok fucktard, dont hassle people because they dont live up to YOUR expectations when it comes to grammar,like im sure maynard sits down when they are finished recording and goes"oh geez that aint goood grammar we will have to start again people might not know what im saying"...
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i think it is "a love with the darkside ive found" and in what grammar school would you find aenima????????not everyones parents could afford a perfect grammar school. ok fucktard, dont hassle people because they dont live up to YOUR expectations when it comes to grammar,like im sure maynard sits down when they are finished recording and goes"oh geez that aint goood grammar we will have to start again people might not know what im saying"...
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hahahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahaha
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hahahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahaha
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i think it is "a love with the darkside ive found" and in what grammar school would you find aenima????????not everyones parents could afford a perfect grammar school. ok fucktard, dont hassle people because they dont live up to YOUR expectations when it comes to grammar,like im sure maynard sits down when they are finished recording and goes"oh geez that aint goood grammar we will have to start again people might not know what im saying"...
Definitely agree on 'found' (although I think 'I found'). Matches the rhyming scheme of the other verses of the song too.
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i think it is "a love with the darkside ive found" and in what grammar school would you find aenima????????not everyones parents could afford a perfect grammar school. ok fucktard, dont hassle people because they dont live up to YOUR expectations when it comes to grammar,like im sure maynard sits down when they are finished recording and goes"oh geez that aint goood grammar we will have to start again people might not know what im saying"...
Definitely agree on 'found' (although I think 'I found'). Matches the rhyming scheme of the other verses of the song too.
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hm...so i read the wiki exerpt as well as a tiny bit more from the original wiki entry and your post regarding a lateralus interpretation; i have to say that it's some interesting information and i do especially like your pasted smidgen that portrays baphomet as basically everything being in constant balance. i love the idea of neutrality in all things and any disturbance in one is countered by [here comes newton's lawsuit] an equal and opposite disturbance. it's a nice abstract idea and i've kinda clung onto this in some form since i saw 'o brother where art thou' and did some thinking. sounds dumb that i finally figured it out from a movie, but hey.

well ok back on track - i'm still not completely agreeing with you that this is what maynard is trying to reference in these pieces. i'll agree on lateralus possibly, but even then i thought he was more trying to exhibit that every boundary that ever existed for him was giving way. also i'm still not totally certain on jambi or intention, but honestly i don't think i care that much. i believe we're both bringing in our own biases here and arguing to fit our beliefs maybe so let's just leave it at that. you already said it wasn't the 'cheesy black metal satan' so that's good enough for me. haha.


i'll try and check this out later. have a paper to write now. =P


nah. quite interesting actually, even if we don't fully agree. =)
I have to say that the interpretation has nothing to do with my personal beliefs. It was just semi informed speculation based on some of the themes on Lateralus. Despite Maynards denial in that recently posted interview, Tool do frequently reference the occult (again listen to intention). However re-reading the lyrics to this particular song im now not certain this is about that, i think it may be about his mum again, although i have no idea what this two become one thing is i always thought it was the Crowley "From all one" (misquote) thing. Most of the time though Tools references to Thelmic Law, Hermeticism, and Gnostism in various forms are tongue in cheek, because they clearly dont believe in dogma of any kind.
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hm...so i read the wiki exerpt as well as a tiny bit more from the original wiki entry and your post regarding a lateralus interpretation; i have to say that it's some interesting information and i do especially like your pasted smidgen that portrays baphomet as basically everything being in constant balance. i love the idea of neutrality in all things and any disturbance in one is countered by [here comes newton's lawsuit] an equal and opposite disturbance. it's a nice abstract idea and i've kinda clung onto this in some form since i saw 'o brother where art thou' and did some thinking. sounds dumb that i finally figured it out from a movie, but hey.

well ok back on track - i'm still not completely agreeing with you that this is what maynard is trying to reference in these pieces. i'll agree on lateralus possibly, but even then i thought he was more trying to exhibit that every boundary that ever existed for him was giving way. also i'm still not totally certain on jambi or intention, but honestly i don't think i care that much. i believe we're both bringing in our own biases here and arguing to fit our beliefs maybe so let's just leave it at that. you already said it wasn't the 'cheesy black metal satan' so that's good enough for me. haha.


i'll try and check this out later. have a paper to write now. =P


nah. quite interesting actually, even if we don't fully agree. =)
I have to say that the interpretation has nothing to do with my personal beliefs. It was just semi informed speculation based on some of the themes on Lateralus. Despite Maynards denial in that recently posted interview, Tool do frequently reference the occult (again listen to intention). However re-reading the lyrics to this particular song im now not certain this is about that, i think it may be about his mum again, although i have no idea what this two become one thing is i always thought it was the Crowley "From all one" (misquote) thing. Most of the time though Tools references to Thelmic Law, Hermeticism, and Gnostism in various forms are tongue in cheek, because they clearly dont believe in dogma of any kind.
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i think it is "a love with the darkside ive found" and in what grammar school would you find aenima????????not everyones parents could afford a perfect grammar school. ok fucktard, dont hassle people because they dont live up to YOUR expectations when it comes to grammar,like im sure maynard sits down when they are finished recording and goes"oh geez that aint goood grammar we will have to start again people might not know what im saying"...

LOL. I think this is directed at me. Haha... where to begin?

1) Um... nice post.

2) Coining a term by merging existing words together (like Aenema) is nothing new and has nothing at all to do with grammar... or being able to form a sentence that works.

3) If you actually read my post, you'll see that I never said that the lyrics are ALWAYS grammatically correct. Someone posted that "In love with the dark side I found" could not be right because it made no sense. I was merely showing that it did make sense, and why it made sense.

4) Wow... nice post.
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i think it is "a love with the darkside ive found" and in what grammar school would you find aenima????????not everyones parents could afford a perfect grammar school. ok fucktard, dont hassle people because they dont live up to YOUR expectations when it comes to grammar,like im sure maynard sits down when they are finished recording and goes"oh geez that aint goood grammar we will have to start again people might not know what im saying"...

LOL. I think this is directed at me. Haha... where to begin?

1) Um... nice post.

2) Coining a term by merging existing words together (like Aenema) is nothing new and has nothing at all to do with grammar... or being able to form a sentence that works.

3) If you actually read my post, you'll see that I never said that the lyrics are ALWAYS grammatically correct. Someone posted that "In love with the dark side I found" could not be right because it made no sense. I was merely showing that it did make sense, and why it made sense.

4) Wow... nice post.
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I'm sooo diggin Jambi.... From the first riff to the last one.... I'm so into this song!
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Old 04-24-2006, 11:26 AM   #109
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"The devil and his hand-me-downs."
Like his old pants that he grew out of?
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So, anyone knows what 'Jambi' has to do with the song?
Am I the only one who heard 'Jambi eyes' as opposed to 'damn my eyes'?
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So, anyone knows what 'Jambi' has to do with the song?
Am I the only one who heard 'Jambi eyes' as opposed to 'damn my eyes'?
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Am I the only one who heard 'Jambi eyes' as opposed to 'damn my eyes'?
Several people have said that right in this thread... Did you read it?

God I hope that's not what he's saying. I think I'd like the song a lot less.
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Re: Jambi Lyrics

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Am I the only one who heard 'Jambi eyes' as opposed to 'damn my eyes'?
Several people have said that right in this thread... Did you read it?

God I hope that's not what he's saying. I think I'd like the song a lot less.
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"damn my eyes" is not a very common saying in the US, but it's very common in the UK and Ireland especially.. it's used in a variety of ways but the way i've heard it used most often is like "damn my eyes if i'm lying" or "oy, ye bastid, where've ya been, damn yer eyes!"

in the context of this song he seems to be saying that he should be struck blind if he fails to be what his son needs him to be, namely a good father. or that's my take on it anyway.

"jambi eyes" is just....... no.
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"damn my eyes" is not a very common saying in the US, but it's very common in the UK and Ireland especially.. it's used in a variety of ways but the way i've heard it used most often is like "damn my eyes if i'm lying" or "oy, ye bastid, where've ya been, damn yer eyes!"

in the context of this song he seems to be saying that he should be struck blind if he fails to be what his son needs him to be, namely a good father. or that's my take on it anyway.

"jambi eyes" is just....... no.
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i'm just glad the phrase "meka leka hi meka heini ho!" isn't in the song.. <_<
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i'm just glad the phrase "meka leka hi meka heini ho!" isn't in the song.. <_<
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I am pretty sure that it is Shine on benevolent sun. In the context that this song talks about the religious worship of a sun god. This is considering Jambi from the geographical perspective that they are this native people years ago praying to the sun. Shine on benevolent sun makes a hell of a lot more sense than song or sun. The devil is night time and the part where he says:

But you changed that all for me.
Lifted me up, turned me 'round

reminds me of sunflowers rising and turning to face the sun.

I could be talking out of my ass but i really think this song is referring to worship of a sun god.
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I am pretty sure that it is Shine on benevolent sun. In the context that this song talks about the religious worship of a sun god. This is considering Jambi from the geographical perspective that they are this native people years ago praying to the sun. Shine on benevolent sun makes a hell of a lot more sense than song or sun. The devil is night time and the part where he says:

But you changed that all for me.
Lifted me up, turned me 'round

reminds me of sunflowers rising and turning to face the sun.

I could be talking out of my ass but i really think this song is referring to worship of a sun god.
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I am pretty sure that it is Shine on benevolent sun. In the context that this song talks about the religious worship of a sun god. This is considering Jambi from the geographical perspective that they are this native people years ago praying to the sun. Shine on benevolent sun makes a hell of a lot more sense than song or sun. The devil is night time and the part where he says:

But you changed that all for me.
Lifted me up, turned me 'round

reminds me of sunflowers rising and turning to face the sun.

I could be talking out of my ass but i really think this song is referring to worship of a sun god.
IT's both sun and son it's a play on words. and I do hear jambi I the first time he says it but it changes into damn my eyes. there's deffinatly a "j" sond to it at the beginning, also a play on the words.
there is a grey area in the lyrics neither is right or wrong.
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I am pretty sure that it is Shine on benevolent sun. In the context that this song talks about the religious worship of a sun god. This is considering Jambi from the geographical perspective that they are this native people years ago praying to the sun. Shine on benevolent sun makes a hell of a lot more sense than song or sun. The devil is night time and the part where he says:

But you changed that all for me.
Lifted me up, turned me 'round

reminds me of sunflowers rising and turning to face the sun.

I could be talking out of my ass but i really think this song is referring to worship of a sun god.
IT's both sun and son it's a play on words. and I do hear jambi I the first time he says it but it changes into damn my eyes. there's deffinatly a "j" sond to it at the beginning, also a play on the words.
there is a grey area in the lyrics neither is right or wrong.
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benivolent soul?
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Like his old pants that he grew out of?
lmao, can't help but think of the devil's poor younger brother with pants down to his hooves and a pitchfork way too big for him.
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Like his old pants that he grew out of?
lmao, can't help but think of the devil's poor younger brother with pants down to his hooves and a pitchfork way too big for him.
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Here from the king’s mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true

Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I
I would
Wish it
All, away
If I
Thought I’d
Lose you
Just one day

The devil and his has me down
In love with the dark side I’d found

Dabbling all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up turn me round

So I
I
I
I

I would
I would
I would
Wish
This
All
Ah-way

Prayed like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long

Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
And I would
If I could
I would

Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No pressure could hold sway
Or just a fine line
Kneeling away, my sinner

So if I could I’d wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You’re my piece of mind, my own
I said I’m just trying to hold on
One more day

Damn my eyes
Damn my eyes

Damn my eyes, well they should compromise
All hope from what you need to find me
Then I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolant sun/son

Shine down upon the broken
Shine on ‘til the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolant sun/son

Shine down upon the severed
Shine on 'til the two become one

Divide and wither in our way
Divide and wither on our way

Shine down upon the many, light our way
Benevolent sun/son

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
So as one
Survive another day and season

Silently, just say your poison
Silently, just stay out of my way
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Here from the king’s mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true

Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I
I would
Wish it
All, away
If I
Thought I’d
Lose you
Just one day

The devil and his has me down
In love with the dark side I’d found

Dabbling all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up turn me round

So I
I
I
I

I would
I would
I would
Wish
This
All
Ah-way

Prayed like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long

Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
And I would
If I could
I would

Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No pressure could hold sway
Or just a fine line
Kneeling away, my sinner

So if I could I’d wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You’re my piece of mind, my own
I said I’m just trying to hold on
One more day

Damn my eyes
Damn my eyes

Damn my eyes, well they should compromise
All hope from what you need to find me
Then I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolant sun/son

Shine down upon the broken
Shine on ‘til the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolant sun/son

Shine down upon the severed
Shine on 'til the two become one

Divide and wither in our way
Divide and wither on our way

Shine down upon the many, light our way
Benevolent sun/son

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
So as one
Survive another day and season

Silently, just say your poison
Silently, just stay out of my way
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I really think it's "You're my peace of mind, my all, my Saturn," and it really REALLY sounds like it
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I really think it's "You're my peace of mind, my all, my Saturn," and it really REALLY sounds like it
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Times are wrong in the first post.
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Times are wrong in the first post.
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