So since Tool always has this "we dont make commercial songs etc.."
why are there commercials on Comedy Central for the new album..

lol

commercial songs != commercials on TV

tool doesn't handle all of their advertising. the record company wants to make money.

Lateralus had commercials too. it played a little clip of schism.. what are you guys like 15 years old?

I thought Tool prided its self on total control of its music and such..isnt that what they said on that interview posted here?
And besides..afetr with Maynard writing so many anti-TV songs isnt that odd?

You make me want to stab myself.

yea, because in this thread not only he but i as well both stated that they did not do this for Lateralus.

Someone post some lyrics from Hooker with a Penis and bin this thread.

Do you wear vans, 501's and Beastie T's?

please, stab him instead. at least punch him/it in between his/it's "sips of coke".

I think people have lofty expectations of the band.

I dont have problems with commercials and commercial music. Tool is 100% fair with the way they market their music and i see no problem with that. I was even glad when i saw APC performing on Jay Leno show. Thats a good way to introduce ordinary people to their music. I dont want them to lose their artistical and human integrity, of course, but i dont want them to be isolated band for arrogant elitists.

it'd be my pleasure (I can't close or bin shits here though)

I met a boy wearing Vans, 501s, and a
Dope Beastie t, nipple rings, and
New tattoos that claimed that he
Was OGT,
From '92,
The first EP.

And in between
Sips of Coke
He told me that
He thought
We were sellin' out,
Layin' down,
Suckin' up
To the man.

Well now I've got some
A-dvice for you, little buddy.
Before you point the finger
You should know that
I'm the man,

And if I'm the man,

Then you're the man, and
He's the man as well so you can
Point that fuckin' finger up your ass.

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one.

So I've got some
Advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point your finger
You should know that
I'm the man,

If I'm the fuckin' man
Then you're the fuckin' man as well
So you can
Point that fuckin' finger up your ass.

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one.

All you read and
Wear or see and
Hear on TV
Is a product
Begging for your
Fatass dirty
Dollar

So...Shut up and

Buy my new record
Send more money
Fuck you, buddy.

close thread

hey, aenema had a comercial too.

i waited outside a record store before they opened to get aenema, lateralus had a midnight sale, as will this one.
fucking noobs.

of course they gonna have comercials, they are not an underground band,
they were maybe when undertow came out...but not since....they make comercial music, they are the most mainstream band in the alternative music today along metallica and one of the biggest selling (comercial) bands that came out of the underground through selling out....again this is a normal normal side-effect so if you dont like commercial music go listen indie....

LOL you guys take this far far to serious.
its a band web site lol..and you run around bashing each other lol.
I ask a question on irony I happen to feel when I saw the comercial, and instead you answer with witty remarks the teen interdweeb users so fondly enjoy on forums lol.
And by god I didnt spend a moment researching the bands history of marketing through TV,,I mean why would I find it ironic with the barrage of "shit on TV tells you what to do like sheep" lyrics...

Please really I hate to offend or annoy you with a mere question...yes I know its not another "I listen to W.F.M pt 1& 2 on acid, meditating wondering what the bands thinking as I contemplate the any given number as a sign of Maynard coming up and allowing me lick his taint"..

Seriously..

you suck.

with the state of music & radio today today - a rock music fan like you would be more likely to watch comedy central than to listen to the radio.

the fact that you saw it means that i'm right.

Alright douche bag, I'll give you a straight answer. The band does have total creative control. This means no one tells them what to write or how to write it. This doesn't include marketing of their product. They can't just tell the record label they refuse all advertising, that won't fly. But they won't whore themselves out, making appearences on every talk show and trl, so small comercials seem to be the compromise they've made. It was most likely something thrown together by the marketing department of sony, tool probably had nothing to do with it.

Being commercial in your creativity means that you record numbers that you think will sell easy not because they are the best for the album.
Non commercial means that you make the numbers you think are best fitting on the album.

This has nothing to do with the marketing or selling of cd/cds afterwards.

THAT! iiissss.... IRONY!

Id hate to be little DEvo, NO TV FOR YOU!!!!1!!

;)

Under statement. But the band DID "open my eyes" and allow me to see the world in the best and most practical way i could, but theres only so much a human can do.

There is no doubt that learning something from anothers experience is an inherent part of life and living.

However, the moment we begin to validate our own existence by those same experiences is the moment we truly start losing ourself.

So find what you can that means something to you, and GROW FOR YOURSELF.

In this way TooL are a phenomenal tool for learning.

The tv spots have been discussed many times before. There have been tv spots for every album to date from Tool, this one *shock* happens to be no different in that regard. Having a spot for an album is absolutely nothing like selling your song to a car commercial.

I always thought having TV commercials for albums was just as [n] if not [no]er than being on talkshows. At least conan is entertaining and smart. I try to avoid watching commercials.

That's equating your product with all the other shit that's being sold. How can someone talk shit about a fast food eating, TV-watching, no attention span having society but at the same time sandwhich their commercials for their product between Coors light and Burger King commercials?

If they're going to put 10,000 days on the same level as those products, I'm not going to buy it, and just save the 12.00 to get a BK combo and a 6-pack.

It's not like anyone who has any business listening to Tool doesn't know that they have a new album about to be released.
Shit, the internet is such a better medium than television in every way, that should be sufficient.

I hope you guys understand that the label is the one responsible and the band has little if any control over promotion outside of not selling their song to a product.

I love how you guys "know" how this works LOLOLOL
you guys are so silly you think you knwo what Tool and what the record company think and hwo it worked.."the record company did it" lol..I guess I didnt get the memo with my purchase you guys got..

Why dont TooL just boycott advertising all together and not tell ANYONE about their music.

Because i can guarantee you one thing, without the support of a record label theyd be unable to have gotten where they are today.

Im sick of this phenomenon where people think a band has sold out just because they are popular.

There is a significant difference between making consistently good music over a certain timespan and gaining millions of fans every release, than there is to making one album with 2 half decent songs on it.

Even so, the latter types of bands are more sold out than TooL will ever be.

After all TooL arent some kind of secret that we a re supposed to keep.

Music is a gift.

Try living one day of your life being deaf.

i'm prettty sure tool want to make money off this album, and they will advertise it and blah blah, u don't tink all the confindentiality agreements and shit wer there for any other reason except get people into these forums and hype it all up?

you're funny!!!
music is indeed a gift - - im waiting for my free copy of 10,000days with a pretty little ribbon and maybe a card signed my maynard and co -
no not quite theyre the millionaires that made their money off people like me. good music but they dont do it for free.

Hmm maybe i should clarify that for some :

The ability to HEAR is a gift.

The ability to HEAR music is an even greater gift.

this thread sucks and that makes me sad.

Yeah, it is pretty awesome how much you can learn just by reading. Nice try at flaming though.

LOL. This is exactly what I was thinking. Not only Tool, but other bands have to deal with record labels for a number of logistical/practical reasons. If you read anything about the record industry, the consensus is that the executives and managers are bastards (and Ticks and Leeches). Even greedy Steve Jobs called them greedy. Furthermore, I am sure Tool did have complete control over the content of their record, and that is what they wanted.

There's no irony here. Promotion is promotion. You deal with the world you've got, not the one you're trying to actualize.

dude i saw commercials for lateralus when it came out. what are you crying about?

Well, yes. You got a message from the music, and I suppose that's what they're trying to do. But people think the band members are some kind of omiscent beings that don't need money, and are completely above everything... which is different than whether or not they influence you in some way.

He's crying because he seems to think that if you have anything that promotes the product you have been working on, whether it's tv spots, posters, etc then it is offensive to him somehow. As if the guys should really just throw their record out there and hope someone notices. Hooker with a penis is about right in this case.

ok, so i want to try to respond without coming off as a prick, which is often a feat in this forum. Having said that, the people here responding to you are largely correct about record companies having the right to publicize its product. Granted, i/we dont know the specificities about tool's particular contract, however, i am a law student and have taken a fair amount of classes in intellectual property and entertainment law. From my admittedly theoretical understanding, even contracts where artists maintain a relaitvely considerable amount of control over their distribution, production and creative preferences and what not, the record company still has to have the ability to make make a fair market return on its investment. After all, contracts are just that, contracts, and an essential aspect of this is an exchange of value. I guarantee you that tool has neither the time nor the interest in micromanaging every single marketing decision it makes. When we start hearing vicarious playing on saturn commercials, ill start worrying a little bit and will give up this point. But i dont see why a band and its record company shouldnt be able to publicize its product in a meaningful way on a media outlet that is on the whole , of great quality. I love comedy central and dont find it particularly offensive that tool would be advertised there. Bottom line, music is a business and unfortunately a very shallow one in recent times. However, when a band can still have not 1 but several songs on an album pushing the 10 minute mark, that is a sign of a band with some leverage and a sign of a band that hasnt entirely "sod out." So, try and look at this with a little perspective. Tool is a band, not a religion and they want to fucking sell some records. So be it.