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Someone figure this out already so I can impress all my friends...
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Someone figure this out already so I can impress all my friends...
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I hear "Fransisco" and I think it's a very obvious reference to the movie Elf. "FranSISCoooo, gee that's fun to say. FranSISCoooo". Same rhythym and everything. Open your eyes people!

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I hear "Fransisco" and I think it's a very obvious reference to the movie Elf. "FranSISCoooo, gee that's fun to say. FranSISCoooo". Same rhythym and everything. Open your eyes people!

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I agree with earlier comments here that this is intended to be the voice of God. The way i interpret is "Assist Her". God talking to his angels, to aid the ascension.

Track 11 23...1-1-2-3 is the beginning of the Fibonacci sequence, what one might call a beautiful ascension.

Sounds plausible to me and seems more and more correct every time i hear it.

Thoughts??
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I agree with earlier comments here that this is intended to be the voice of God. The way i interpret is "Assist Her". God talking to his angels, to aid the ascension.

Track 11 23...1-1-2-3 is the beginning of the Fibonacci sequence, what one might call a beautiful ascension.

Sounds plausible to me and seems more and more correct every time i hear it.

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Airgonaut, I did some thinking with my Latin buddies.

Many have agreed that, since Latin is not widely spoken anymore, is mostly textual, it is likely that a sure pronounciation is not available. Proof of this is that our Latin teacher says that C can work both ways, as it does in Latin and Portugese, and, following an S, will act as an S.
He also said that Canadian Bishops would speak a slightly different dialect of Latin than would a Vatican Bishop. So, maybe "Ascisco" could work after all.

I really don't think that the other voices matter, seeing as it's not the real track. That's like adding "Thank you very much, asshole" at the end of Lost Keys Lyrics because it's "now what happened? Tell me everything." backwards.

Some one should post a poll or somethingto finalize what it's saying.
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Airgonaut, I did some thinking with my Latin buddies.

Many have agreed that, since Latin is not widely spoken anymore, is mostly textual, it is likely that a sure pronounciation is not available. Proof of this is that our Latin teacher says that C can work both ways, as it does in Latin and Portugese, and, following an S, will act as an S.
He also said that Canadian Bishops would speak a slightly different dialect of Latin than would a Vatican Bishop. So, maybe "Ascisco" could work after all.

I really don't think that the other voices matter, seeing as it's not the real track. That's like adding "Thank you very much, asshole" at the end of Lost Keys Lyrics because it's "now what happened? Tell me everything." backwards.

Some one should post a poll or somethingto finalize what it's saying.
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I have no valuable contribution to this very interesting discussion.

I just get more and more creeped out each time i listen to this shit.
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I have no valuable contribution to this very interesting discussion.

I just get more and more creeped out each time i listen to this shit.
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It is most definately ascisco. The voice is obviously slowed down.....so I sped that shit the fuck up.

http://www.geocities.com/nectarguru/TresMessage.mp3

Not English.
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Re: What the hidden message is really saying

It is most definately ascisco. The voice is obviously slowed down.....so I sped that shit the fuck up.

http://www.geocities.com/nectarguru/TresMessage.mp3

Not English.
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Why not just compile a list of what we have variously thought it may be when listening. These are the ones I can recall.

Ascension
Assistance
A see-saw
Francisco
Partition
The System

Not saying any of these are even close to correct, just what I have subjectively heard at various times while playing the disc.
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Re: What the hidden message is really saying

Why not just compile a list of what we have variously thought it may be when listening. These are the ones I can recall.

Ascension
Assistance
A see-saw
Francisco
Partition
The System

Not saying any of these are even close to correct, just what I have subjectively heard at various times while playing the disc.
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It is most definately ascisco. The voice is obviously slowed down.....so I sped that shit the fuck up.

http://www.geocities.com/nectarguru/TresMessage.mp3

Not English.
Sounds backwards too ... try reversing it?
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It is most definately ascisco. The voice is obviously slowed down.....so I sped that shit the fuck up.

http://www.geocities.com/nectarguru/TresMessage.mp3

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Sounds backwards too ... try reversing it?
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Sounds backwards too ... try reversing it?
No it doesn't sound backwards. I did reverse it and it sounded garbled.
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Sounds backwards too ... try reversing it?
No it doesn't sound backwards. I did reverse it and it sounded garbled.
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On that thing I hear Das ist Gut.
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On that thing I hear Das ist Gut.
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The disco? just kidding ... after that sped-up mp3 though, "Fransisco" is sounding pretty fucking good right about now.
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The disco? just kidding ... after that sped-up mp3 though, "Fransisco" is sounding pretty fucking good right about now.
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I'm pretty positive it says "Satan" in a sweeping voice.
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I'm pretty positive it says "Satan" in a sweeping voice.
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^ i doubt it
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What we have to remember is, that Tool is a rational band... more or less. If this is a message, then we need to think in their heads.

Ascisco actually makes sence. Do any of the others? It's latin, like the name. It's referencing ascension, which they refer to many times in 10,000 Days, it's a godly voice, which fits Ascisco, and it sounds like Ascisco.

If it's a message (and they're probably wondering why we haven't figured it out yet) we need to decode it. And we need to get it right, so let's THINK. That's what Toolheads do.
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What we have to remember is, that Tool is a rational band... more or less. If this is a message, then we need to think in their heads.

Ascisco actually makes sence. Do any of the others? It's latin, like the name. It's referencing ascension, which they refer to many times in 10,000 Days, it's a godly voice, which fits Ascisco, and it sounds like Ascisco.

If it's a message (and they're probably wondering why we haven't figured it out yet) we need to decode it. And we need to get it right, so let's THINK. That's what Toolheads do.
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Ascisco actually makes sence. Do any of the others? It's latin, like the name. It's referencing ascension, which they refer to many times in 10,000 Days, it's a godly voice, which fits Ascisco, and it sounds like Ascisco.

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Why not just compile a list of what we have variously thought it may be when listening. These are the ones I can recall.

***************Ascension*************
Assistance
A see-saw
Francisco
Partition
The System
I like it.
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Ascisco actually makes sence. Do any of the others? It's latin, like the name. It's referencing ascension, which they refer to many times in 10,000 Days, it's a godly voice, which fits Ascisco, and it sounds like Ascisco.

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Why not just compile a list of what we have variously thought it may be when listening. These are the ones I can recall.

***************Ascension*************
Assistance
A see-saw
Francisco
Partition
The System
I like it.
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Chances are that when Maynard posts the lyrics to the album he will put Viginti on there as well, afterall it is a lyric.
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Chances are that when Maynard posts the lyrics to the album he will put Viginti on there as well, afterall it is a lyric.
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IF he does.
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IF he does.
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That could be a few years off. Maynard may pull another undertow and wait two years.
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That could be a few years off. Maynard may pull another undertow and wait two years.
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Actually, it's a line from Star Wars Episode VI, where Darth Vader says:
"A Sister..."
In the scene where he goes on to say "So! You have a sissster"
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Actually, it's a line from Star Wars Episode VI, where Darth Vader says:
"A Sister..."
In the scene where he goes on to say "So! You have a sissster"
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Read this thread when it's really late at night and you're alone and then turn off your light and listen to this song while you stare into the blackness of your open closet door, then when the voice comes up you should be able to see satan's face for a split second. Go ahead, try it.
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Read this thread when it's really late at night and you're alone and then turn off your light and listen to this song while you stare into the blackness of your open closet door, then when the voice comes up you should be able to see satan's face for a split second. Go ahead, try it.
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Funny, I saw Belial. You sure you know your demons?
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Funny, I saw Belial. You sure you know your demons?
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Actually, it's a line from Star Wars Episode VI, where Darth Vader says:
"A Sister..."
In the scene where he goes on to say "So! You have a sissster"
Dude, you are much closer with this one... i still think "Assist Her" is what is said, but "A sister" does fit in with the whole big secret theory.

You know the one that goes along the lines that Maynard actually had a twin sister from whom he was separated at birth. Rumour has it that the sister had died at birth, however something else happened here, not sure on the details.

The sister however lived and turned out to be a hermaphrodite and went by the name of Dave and it wasn't until a chance meeting in or around Area 51 that Maynard was able to substantiate a life long feeling he had held. Sadly, MJK was never able to discuss this with his Mother to confirm the details, but his tendency to dress in women's clothing is a clear indication of a longing for a feminine counterpart. God finally sent Maynard a message to confirm his beliefs and he managed to record this and play it back for us as Track 11. There is conjecture about all of this, however after all this has come to light, the reason for Judith Marie's strong feelings of guilt over losing a daughter (or so she thought?), led to the turn towards God and for forgiveness.

You all heard about that one?
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Actually, it's a line from Star Wars Episode VI, where Darth Vader says:
"A Sister..."
In the scene where he goes on to say "So! You have a sissster"
Dude, you are much closer with this one... i still think "Assist Her" is what is said, but "A sister" does fit in with the whole big secret theory.

You know the one that goes along the lines that Maynard actually had a twin sister from whom he was separated at birth. Rumour has it that the sister had died at birth, however something else happened here, not sure on the details.

The sister however lived and turned out to be a hermaphrodite and went by the name of Dave and it wasn't until a chance meeting in or around Area 51 that Maynard was able to substantiate a life long feeling he had held. Sadly, MJK was never able to discuss this with his Mother to confirm the details, but his tendency to dress in women's clothing is a clear indication of a longing for a feminine counterpart. God finally sent Maynard a message to confirm his beliefs and he managed to record this and play it back for us as Track 11. There is conjecture about all of this, however after all this has come to light, the reason for Judith Marie's strong feelings of guilt over losing a daughter (or so she thought?), led to the turn towards God and for forgiveness.

You all heard about that one?
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I just get more and more creeped out each time i listen to this shit.

LOL. Amen to that.
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I have no valuable contribution to this very interesting discussion.

I just get more and more creeped out each time i listen to this shit.

LOL. Amen to that.
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A big question here is..

Why "Viginti Tres"?

Why not simply "Twenty-Three"?

The Latin means something.

Ascisco. I recieve you.
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A big question here is..

Why "Viginti Tres"?

Why not simply "Twenty-Three"?

The Latin means something.

Ascisco. I recieve you.
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Either Magister or Ascisco. Both fit the context of the overt symbology. This album cannot be fully 'comprehended' without at least a cursory knowledge of the Kabbalah and its Tree of Life. Listen to the tracks in reverse order.

Some people are drawing some pretty long bows, which is fine, but 'he who has eyes to see'...
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Either Magister or Ascisco. Both fit the context of the overt symbology. This album cannot be fully 'comprehended' without at least a cursory knowledge of the Kabbalah and its Tree of Life. Listen to the tracks in reverse order.

Some people are drawing some pretty long bows, which is fine, but 'he who has eyes to see'...
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i vote for Francisco
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I don't see how the Tree of Life should require reversing the album, I can understand the stories either way, and the lightning bolt is traced in either direction depending on whether you follow a souls maturation or an original creation/decension of the divine.

Reversing the track order can help underscore connections which can also be held in mind and interpreted in a forward sequence.
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I don't see how the Tree of Life should require reversing the album, I can understand the stories either way, and the lightning bolt is traced in either direction depending on whether you follow a souls maturation or an original creation/decension of the divine.

Reversing the track order can help underscore connections which can also be held in mind and interpreted in a forward sequence.
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Dude, you are much closer with this one... i still think "Assist Her" is what is said, but "A sister" does fit in with the whole big secret theory.

You know the one that goes along the lines that Maynard actually had a twin sister from whom he was separated at birth. Rumour has it that the sister had died at birth, however something else happened here, not sure on the details.

The sister however lived and turned out to be a hermaphrodite and went by the name of Dave and it wasn't until a chance meeting in or around Area 51 that Maynard was able to substantiate a life long feeling he had held. Sadly, MJK was never able to discuss this with his Mother to confirm the details, but his tendency to dress in women's clothing is a clear indication of a longing for a feminine counterpart. God finally sent Maynard a message to confirm his beliefs and he managed to record this and play it back for us as Track 11. There is conjecture about all of this, however after all this has come to light, the reason for Judith Marie's strong feelings of guilt over losing a daughter (or so she thought?), led to the turn towards God and for forgiveness.

You all heard about that one?
Hilarious!
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Dude, you are much closer with this one... i still think "Assist Her" is what is said, but "A sister" does fit in with the whole big secret theory.

You know the one that goes along the lines that Maynard actually had a twin sister from whom he was separated at birth. Rumour has it that the sister had died at birth, however something else happened here, not sure on the details.

The sister however lived and turned out to be a hermaphrodite and went by the name of Dave and it wasn't until a chance meeting in or around Area 51 that Maynard was able to substantiate a life long feeling he had held. Sadly, MJK was never able to discuss this with his Mother to confirm the details, but his tendency to dress in women's clothing is a clear indication of a longing for a feminine counterpart. God finally sent Maynard a message to confirm his beliefs and he managed to record this and play it back for us as Track 11. There is conjecture about all of this, however after all this has come to light, the reason for Judith Marie's strong feelings of guilt over losing a daughter (or so she thought?), led to the turn towards God and for forgiveness.

You all heard about that one?
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i hear smithers isn't a soldier. maybe the words he's saying are also in latin.
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i hear smithers isn't a soldier. maybe the words he's saying are also in latin.
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i hear smithers isn't a soldier. maybe the words he's saying are also in latin.

thats what i hear
Old 07-07-2006, 09:14 AM   #71
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i hear smithers isn't a soldier. maybe the words he's saying are also in latin.

thats what i hear
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Lol ok i was gunna post about how my 2 years of latin in highschool told me magister is "teacher" but some one else already did.... but i hear i too.....
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Lol ok i was gunna post about how my 2 years of latin in highschool told me magister is "teacher" but some one else already did.... but i hear i too.....
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Someone should speed up the voice. It is obviously slowed down a lot. If someone can speed it up until it sounds like a normal human voice, we might even be able to tell whose voice it is along with what it is saying.
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Someone should speed up the voice. It is obviously slowed down a lot. If someone can speed it up until it sounds like a normal human voice, we might even be able to tell whose voice it is along with what it is saying.
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He's obviously saying a crisco. Crisco would follow the ass sex motif that seems to be prevalent among tool albums and fans.
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He's obviously saying a crisco. Crisco would follow the ass sex motif that seems to be prevalent among tool albums and fans.
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Francisco... that's fun to say!


someone already referenced Elf, didn't they?
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Francisco... that's fun to say!


someone already referenced Elf, didn't they?
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Christ guys, there is nothing deep or meaningful with this song. It's just an ambient track to wind down the album. As for the samples - have none of you heard "Aldebaran of the Hyades" from Lustmord's "The Place Where the Black Stars Hang" abum? And he contributed to this album did he not? Well there you go.
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Christ guys, there is nothing deep or meaningful with this song. It's just an ambient track to wind down the album. As for the samples - have none of you heard "Aldebaran of the Hyades" from Lustmord's "The Place Where the Black Stars Hang" abum? And he contributed to this album did he not? Well there you go.
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A big question here is..

Why "Viginti Tres"?

Why not simply "Twenty-Three"?

The Latin means something.

Ascisco. I recieve you.
finally someone is making some sense.
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A big question here is..

Why "Viginti Tres"?

Why not simply "Twenty-Three"?

The Latin means something.

Ascisco. I recieve you.
finally someone is making some sense.
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Pablo Francisco, comedian, duh. ^_^.....not.
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Pablo Francisco, comedian, duh. ^_^.....not.
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ASCISCO.
i used fruity loops and heard it with higher pitch and it says ASCISCO. it's undeniable.
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ASCISCO.
i used fruity loops and heard it with higher pitch and it says ASCISCO. it's undeniable.
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Alright well, I'm sure every huge fan here believes, like I do, that they are a huge Tool authority who "gets" them like no other. That being said, can I attack this at an angle I haven't seen anybody take a bite at just yet?

Aenima had a lot to do with people (or a person) who is treading the border of self discovery and dabbling in what will become the background of heavy duty psychic practice, clearly designed to have the listener do some heavy research into somewhat occultish topics and parapsychology, if they want to have any idea wtf is going on.

Lateralus was kind of the "preaching to the chior" album, accepting that the listener already has some weight under their belt in the metaphysics arena, and feels more like they're kind of speaking our language ("us" being the people in that comunity) about stuff instead of trying to really teach anything too new and crazy.

10,000 days is a totally different animal, it's kind of saying "alright we all took you there, let's remember we fucking live on earth". It's grounding and current, the new lesson being yes, look into every thing for significance and use the knowledge you've gained, but don't fuck up and let your mind float away. Shit is still real as hell outside of the metaphysics world and we can't forget to let our feet touch the ground.

Now, agree or disagree, Tool knows how their fans are, they know that we will sit here and try to tear apart everything for significance and sometimes concoct the most ridiculous connections between actually unrelated things. Wouldn't it make sense to send us on a wild goose chase, looking for an audible easter egg in the most obvious fucking place for it on any Tool album? They've been at this for years guys, if they wanted to make us work for it, they'd put it where we'd never find it, like in Lateralus. I think the lesson here may be just that, don't look for significance in the obvious place where you are expecting it, DON'T have preconceived notions about things ("Tool always puts hidden shit in their albums") because it can inhibit you seeing actual reality. Seems to be the theme of the album, perhaps viginti tres is just nailing the point home?
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Alright well, I'm sure every huge fan here believes, like I do, that they are a huge Tool authority who "gets" them like no other. That being said, can I attack this at an angle I haven't seen anybody take a bite at just yet?

Aenima had a lot to do with people (or a person) who is treading the border of self discovery and dabbling in what will become the background of heavy duty psychic practice, clearly designed to have the listener do some heavy research into somewhat occultish topics and parapsychology, if they want to have any idea wtf is going on.

Lateralus was kind of the "preaching to the chior" album, accepting that the listener already has some weight under their belt in the metaphysics arena, and feels more like they're kind of speaking our language ("us" being the people in that comunity) about stuff instead of trying to really teach anything too new and crazy.

10,000 days is a totally different animal, it's kind of saying "alright we all took you there, let's remember we fucking live on earth". It's grounding and current, the new lesson being yes, look into every thing for significance and use the knowledge you've gained, but don't fuck up and let your mind float away. Shit is still real as hell outside of the metaphysics world and we can't forget to let our feet touch the ground.

Now, agree or disagree, Tool knows how their fans are, they know that we will sit here and try to tear apart everything for significance and sometimes concoct the most ridiculous connections between actually unrelated things. Wouldn't it make sense to send us on a wild goose chase, looking for an audible easter egg in the most obvious fucking place for it on any Tool album? They've been at this for years guys, if they wanted to make us work for it, they'd put it where we'd never find it, like in Lateralus. I think the lesson here may be just that, don't look for significance in the obvious place where you are expecting it, DON'T have preconceived notions about things ("Tool always puts hidden shit in their albums") because it can inhibit you seeing actual reality. Seems to be the theme of the album, perhaps viginti tres is just nailing the point home?
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