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Old 11-06-2014, 04:58 AM   #281
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

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Why does it have to be a "problem"?
Boo Boo called. He wants his solution back.
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Old 11-06-2014, 11:00 AM   #282
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

What if problem 8, the big curveball and the new album were all one in the same thing.
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

I mentioned the '96 WILMA article a few posts ago and in it Maynard says this:

...we spent two years in the South of France at the Renne LeChateau
writing the record. We recorded and mixed it on an 8-track in three
days at Casablanca Recording Studios..."

Maybe the box does say Final Mix on 7in - as in master recording tape, it would fit this mysterious recording/writing sessions that M mentions but seems way out of place and is not mentioned on any liner notes. Also there is no Casablanca in S France but there was one in Palm Springs.
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

written in france, then recorded/mixed (not in france).
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

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What if problem 8, the big curveball and the new album were all one in the same thing.
BMB has refuted this, or at least alluded that they are entirely separate ideas.

additionally, from TOOL NEWSLETTER AUGUST 2013, E.V.:

...to answer those email questions about any contention between the supposed hidden track, “Problem 8: The Riemann Hypothesis” and the “Bethlehem Abortion Clinic” record in the spoof catalog in the import release of the “Aenima” CD, I can tell you unequivocally that there is NOT (other than the obvious). And as for the name “Volto” being an anagram for “Tool V”, although technically it is, this is merely a coincidence…
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written in france, then recorded/mixed (not in france).
Likely if he isn't full of shit, also it fits the time that Paul was leaving and they toured Europe hence Blair not knowing which bassist was on Prob 8 if it is what he is referring to - but have you ever heard of Casablanca in relation to Tool? I haven't but I could be wrong, if they had released songs recorded there it would be in the liner of something or somewhere buried in a FAQ but this article is it and it M also mentions other weird things like the Joyful Guide to Lachrymology.. I did some research on Casablanca Records not too long ago, their old studio is for sale in Palm Springs and I want it! They definitely had the equipment to match all of the conjecture.

This interview just seems out of place and seems to be the beginning of them inserting fallacies and or misinfo regarding Aenima. Why would they do an interview with this magazine - http://www.wilmaontheweb.com/
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Old 11-06-2014, 03:37 PM   #287
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

my doubts lie with the "two years" bit. unless, you know, it was meant: "over the course of two years". though, the band (and friends - including BMB and DC's father Bob) had frequented the area to take precise measurements as a means to replicate RLC's 'tour magdala' building. why? for what purpose? there are a few BMB articles (in and around toolband) that go into great depth concerning this very unique/curious DC project, and the entire RLC mystery, while directly (and repeatedly) referencing lachrymology, blue apples, the grand dreaming of a treasured eye ("see": 4 degrees), etc, et al. but all i can say about my own theories right now is to remind everyone that TOOL is a math band; numbers can represent infinite forms, models, modes, and mediums. if the tour magdala tower is so important, even sacred - as all anything tool says about it suggests - then perhaps "writing the record" refers to a sort of musical transcription of those same measurements. maybe this is what those whiteboard formulas represent. like some sort of trans-cryptic decoder ring. "a word to guide you in".

locked up inside you like a calm beneath the castle is a cavern of treasures that NO ONE has been to -_- let's go digging
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

I met Bob. He was a kind man with a nice Cadillac. Do you think the numbers in the catalog mean something other than the possible phone number? Maybe they have a cipher. I have looked around Dissectional and found some strings of numbers that look like a code for one but I know what you mean about RLC being everywhere (even hidden in the pink dot) and repeated ocular references.
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

Im fairly sure problem 8 is salival
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

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Boo Boo called. He wants his solution back.
but what about the Ranger?
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

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*knocks yogi's half full glass of water out of his hand*

it's a problem okay
i don't mind

but i'm a "her"
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

no you've gone and done it

prepare for pervy pm's from greasy tool fanboi's
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

Hey baby, what's your Intention here? Do you want to Sweat and become a Part of Me? Or do you want the Gaping Lotus Experience and just watch me Jerk-Off? Can I give you an Ænima? I'll Stinkfist you right in your Third Eye. Don't Crawl Away from me because you're Disgustipated. Am I just Cold and Ugly? Don't hold this Disposition. I may just be a Hooker with a Penis, but it's Maynard's Dick and not mine. I'll let you feel Die Eier Von Satan. Let me Pushit right into this Schism. I'll split you Right in Two. During the Intermission, we can smoke The Pot and stop being Sober. Once we're good and Rosetta Stoned, we can continue with this Prison Sex.

- i think i figured out what Problem 8 is.
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Old 11-17-2014, 09:52 AM   #294
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

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i don't mind

but i'm a "her"
I figured this much. You definitely give off that feminine vibe. Welcome to toolnavy!
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

so i just bought a lenticular keychain from the toolshop.
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

Maybe the song is recorded on an 8-track. Addition to the obvious 8-association Blair has hinted towards soon-to-be obsolete technology and "reel 2 real".

Edit: Nevermind. 8-track cartridges were out production at the time. Instead, I found this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-TOOL-RA...item1e605002ff
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

i see the realtooreel thing as a hint at a 3D production.
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

i think the biggest clue is that it is on the ultimate collectors item, also I think that the 7in could be referring to master recording tape. Wilma interview etc etc...
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

i think that problem 8 isnt actually 1 song you sort of have to think of each album as 1 song

now for problem 8 i think it is made up of undertow aenima and salival in a 34 song track list

because "Problem 8 (The Riemann Hypothesis)" is exactly 34 characters long (including spaces and brackets) and if you ad up the songs from those 3 albums it comes to 34

1 intolerance
2 prison sex
3 sober
4 bottom
5 crawl away
6 swamp song
7 undertow
8 4°
9 flood
10 disgustipated
11 track 69
12 stinkfist
13 eulogy
14 h.
15 useful idiot
16 forty six & 2
17 message to harry manback
18 hooker with a penis
19 intermission
20 jimmy
21 die eier von satan
22 pushit
23 cesaro summability
24 aenema
25 (-)ions
26 third eye
27 third eye (live)
28 part of me (live)
29 pushit (live)
30 message to harry manback II
31 merkaba (live)
32 you lied (live)
33 no quarter
34 L.A.M.C.

but the songs wouldnt be played in that order if you read my post on how tool spells out the album/band name then youll know what i mean

it can be found here : https://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=126706

so for the problem 8 you would spell out "Problem 8 (The Riemann Hypothesis)"
and you would probably put the songs that spell out the band name "TOOL" where the spaces are and the brackets would be one of the live songs or (-) ions

as for the 8 im not too sure it since theres no tool song in that list (or otherwise) that has the number 8 in it might be track 8 on one of the albums it could be opiATE it could be H. cause H is the 8th letter of the alphabet (though H. is probably the H in Hypothesis)

or when those songs are properly assembled it could actually spell out the word "EIGHT"
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

THE TOOL FAQ ( http://toolshed.down.net/faq/faq.html ) did say merkaba was the intro to sober

"This song is actually an extended intro to "Sober" which was played live on the 1997-98 tours. Then it got a name. You may recall from those shows seeing Maynard sit while the rest of the band gave birth to this screaming sound. "

and on the wikipedia page for Ænima ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ænima )

it says that jimmy is the sequel to prison sex

"During 1996 concerts, Maynard told audiences that the song "jimmy" is the sequel to "Prison Sex", and how it's about getting through the abuse"

which supports my 3 album track list idea and also tells you those songs go together on the track list
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

It's been a while...

Something I discovered...

If you take the catalogue numbers from Bethlehem Abortion Clinic and add them together;

12134-66649-4

12134+66649+4

= 78787

78787 is a prime number

Isn't the Riemann Hypothesis to do with Prime Numbers?
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

Another few...

Iced Pee & Subtraction

36948-12659-8

= 24281

Another prime number...



The Christmas Album & Addition

12250+000000+3

= 12253

Another Prime Number...
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

still fake
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

Good bump.
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

I want to believe
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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

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Re: Tool: Problem 8 (Reimann hypothesis) Real or fake?

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Just read the newsletter, and buried in the mass of text about Rare tool collectables: apparently there's a secret Tool song called problem 8 (the Riemann hypothesis), of which only about 30 copies exist.

The exact quote is "Most people don't even know they have it, it's been staring them right in the eye on a near daily basis. The reason they aren't aware of it, is because they'd never think to play it. Okay, enough said..."

Now the newsletter was posted on April 1st, so im not sure whether I take it serious or not. Any thoughts?
i thought this was related to the riemann hypothesis :(
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