ohh mayanardeth is not gonna be happy to hear that gabe_angelfire!!!! can you spell S-H-I-T-M-U-S-I-C-L-A-N-D?????
haha, but serioulsy, i'm a straight guy and i'm not gonna hesitate to say adam is a looker.
yeah i think prison sex is done for now. hmm but what for a topic?
one of you has to pickkkkkkkkkkk
I'd actually trade my ticket in for a day at the winery. I don't even care to drink. I would just like a tour of the place. And yes, I want some cheese with that. No toe cheese or dick cheese please. I prefer Gouda. Seriously though, I think that would excite me more than meeting famous people.
Truth be told.. I am actually a little uncomfortable trying to guess what an artist means in their music. It feels kind of weird, like an invasion of personal boundaries or something. Anyone else get that feeling or am I strange?
__________________ You're so vain. I'll bet you think this post is about you. Don't You? Don't You?
well when you put it like that.... i think interpreting an artist's music to get ideas, courage, or whatever emoton you need is whats musics all about.
plus the artist is displaying their ideas in song form, displaying it for people like us to interpret and enjoy!
this of course does not count bands such as panic at the disco who have about as much lyrical diversity as a 2-year old
__________________ If a man says something in a forest and no woman is around to hear it, is it still wrong?
I'd have to agree that Adam is a sexy man. Oh yeah, I'm straight by the way.
I love Risk.
Oh, also, did any of you guys know that Maynard actually did have a church there for awhile? This may have been some rumor, but I have from good sources, friends. haha... Anyway, I think he did at some point. I don't know if it was a joke, or if it was a real attempt to produce something positive. Who knows?
I require spiritual enlightenment, not religion. I think a lot of people look for 'spiritual enlightenment' of some sort, even though they claim they're not. The ideas and morals Tool shares with us is something that would make me go to a church, if that's what you'd call it. Wouldn't that be perfect?
Instead of flipping to some boring ass dated story in the bible, Maynard says, "If you'll turn your pamphlet to page 16, we'll be discussing The Grudge today. Danny would care to lead us in song and worship?"
Instead of flipping to some boring ass dated story in the bible, Maynard says, "If you'll turn your pamphlet to page 16, we'll be discussing The Grudge today. Danny would care to lead us in song and worship?"
haha-This week we will be reading a selection from the book of DOUCHEBAG.
__________________ You're so vain. I'll bet you think this post is about you. Don't You? Don't You?
I'd have to agree that Adam is a sexy man. Oh yeah, I'm straight by the way.
I love Risk.
Oh, also, did any of you guys know that Maynard actually did have a church there for awhile? This may have been some rumor, but I have from good sources, friends. haha... Anyway, I think he did at some point. I don't know if it was a joke, or if it was a real attempt to produce something positive. Who knows?
I require spiritual enlightenment, not religion. I think a lot of people look for 'spiritual enlightenment' of some sort, even though they claim they're not. The ideas and morals Tool shares with us is something that would make me go to a church, if that's what you'd call it. Wouldn't that be perfect?
Instead of flipping to some boring ass dated story in the bible, Maynard says, "If you'll turn your pamphlet to page 16, we'll be discussing The Grudge today. Danny would care to lead us in song and worship?"
hahaha! that church sounds perfect!
__________________ If a man says something in a forest and no woman is around to hear it, is it still wrong?
I'd have to agree that Adam is a sexy man. Oh yeah, I'm straight by the way.
Instead of flipping to some boring ass dated story in the bible, Maynard says, "If you'll turn your pamphlet to page 16, we'll be discussing The Grudge today. Danny would care to lead us in song and worship?"
I think the south park episode "red hot catholic love" was inspired by this song. I think Matt and Trey are probably also big fans of Tool.
Most funniest quote from this episode:
The Galgamec vagina is 3 feet wide and filled with razorsharp teeth. Do you really expect us to have sex with them...lol
__________________ Even as a solid rock is unshaken by the wind, so are the wise unshaken by praise or blame.
-Buddha
While i understand the lyrics, i am constantly confronted by a religious undertone to this song. I am not talking about simply the use of lyrics, but i have a very clear image in my mind of a church. Hands bound, head down, eyes closed, throat wide open. Like praying. I want to say the song isn't about actual physical abuse, but religious abuse, perverted dogma thrust upon the young and innocent. Torturing youth with guilt and shame. Religion as a twisted and perverse activity, and the endless circle of progression. any one else notice or feel the same. I still understand the conventional veiw, but the more i listen the less I see sodomy and the more I see spiritual repression.
Yeah, I see what you mean. Catholicism has had a way of becoming part of the culture in the part of the netherlands where I come from, but fortunately most people are not being forced to go to church anymore. The only reason for me to do communion was that I got lots of presents, but after that I almost never went to church anymore. I never really felt a close spiritual connection with the hole "God and Jesus thing".
But you don't wanna hear the stories I've heard from my parents and grandparents. My grandparents were basically forced to have more children. The priest would come by their house and he would say something like: "well, it seems time you had some more children. you should be fruitful and multiply" If my grandparents would refuse, then the priest would go have a word with the employer of my grandfather and he would risk losing his job.
The priest and the employer would of course have made some sort of agreement, like: you make sure they stay poor, then I'll make sure they stay "stupid".
So, basically, people were forced to have more children, although they might not have enough money to feed the children they already had. And all these children would off course also become nice catholics and bring more money to the church.
So, you could say there's some sort of "blackmail" involved, which in some cases also occurs with for example the sexual abuse of children.
There are also some religious references, like the lamb and martyr. I also think the "do unto others what has been done to you" might be from the old testament(?), which refers to the "eye for an eye, tooth for tooth-mentality".
__________________ Even as a solid rock is unshaken by the wind, so are the wise unshaken by praise or blame.
-Buddha
While i understand the lyrics, i am constantly confronted by a religious undertone to this song. I am not talking about simply the use of lyrics, but i have a very clear image in my mind of a church. Hands bound, head down, eyes closed, throat wide open. Like praying. I want to say the song isn't about actual physical abuse, but religious abuse, perverted dogma thrust upon the young and innocent. Torturing youth with guilt and shame. Religion as a twisted and perverse activity, and the endless circle of progression. any one else notice or feel the same. I still understand the conventional veiw, but the more i listen the less I see sodomy and the more I see spiritual repression.
yeah i i have kinda had a a feeling of religion being SOME part of this but i never out the pieces together. oh and good way to put it azula!
__________________ If a man says something in a forest and no woman is around to hear it, is it still wrong?
Yeah, I see what you mean. Catholicism has had a way of becoming part of the culture in the part of the netherlands where I come from, but fortunately most people are not being forced to go to church anymore. The only reason for me to do communion was that I got lots of presents, but after that I almost never went to church anymore. I never really felt a close spiritual connection with the hole "God and Jesus thing".
But you don't wanna hear the stories I've heard from my parents and grandparents. My grandparents were basically forced to have more children. The priest would come by their house and he would say something like: "well, it seems time you had some more children. you should be fruitful and multiply" If my grandparents would refuse, then the priest would go have a word with the employer of my grandfather and he would risk losing his job.
The priest and the employer would of course have made some sort of agreement, like: you make sure they stay poor, then I'll make sure they stay "stupid".
So, basically, people were forced to have more children, although they might not have enough money to feed the children they already had. And all these children would off course also become nice catholics and bring more money to the church.
So, you could say there's some sort of "blackmail" involved, which in some cases also occurs with for example the sexual abuse of children.
There are also some religious references, like the lamb and martyr. I also think the "do unto others what has been done to you" might be from the old testament(?), which refers to the "eye for an eye, tooth for tooth-mentality".
thats horrible! your right though, religion has always had a way of "persuading" or manipulating in the past the to help their "cause". just another fact that helps prove organized religion is just business...
i do think those quotes from prison sex hint at reigion being a basis for the song... who knows
__________________ If a man says something in a forest and no woman is around to hear it, is it still wrong?
Wow! This thread really took off! Hard to believe I started it almost 5 months ago.
While I can see your point about a religious undertone, I will take the position that it is mainly about sexual abuse... though it could be sexual abuse by the clergy. It is also about longing for fulfillment that never comes.
Wow! This thread really took off! Hard to believe I started it almost 5 months ago.
While I can see your point about a religious undertone, I will take the position that it is mainly about sexual abuse... though it could be sexual abuse by the clergy. It is also about longing for fulfillment that never comes.
This thread is great.
That longing for fulfillment which never comes, is really inherent to the church business.
Maybe the word "Prison" in the title is a metaphor for "Church". They both are institutions that try to "control" people. People in prison usually don't want to be there and some people who are/were "forced" to go to church don't want to be in church.
This might explain (part of) the title for the song...however it could off course also refer to the fact that people are being raped in prison...
__________________ Even as a solid rock is unshaken by the wind, so are the wise unshaken by praise or blame.
-Buddha
While i understand the lyrics, i am constantly confronted by a religious undertone to this song. I am not talking about simply the use of lyrics, but i have a very clear image in my mind of a church. Hands bound, head down, eyes closed, throat wide open. Like praying. I want to say the song isn't about actual physical abuse, but religious abuse, perverted dogma thrust upon the young and innocent. Torturing youth with guilt and shame. Religion as a twisted and perverse activity, and the endless circle of progression. any one else notice or feel the same. I still understand the conventional veiw, but the more i listen the less I see sodomy and the more I see spiritual repression.
i never thought of it like that but i totaly see where your coming from, my sister got married recently, and she and her husband had to go through catholic marriage classes, at my moms insistence, and her husband told me basically all they were told to do is to make lots o babies
oh ya, holy shit its been a long time since i posted
