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You realize you just referred to yourself in the third person, right?
And I don't really care one way or the other on this quote.
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Way to follow along! LOL
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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You realize you just referred to yourself in the third person, right?
And I don't really care one way or the other on this quote.
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Way to follow along! LOL
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05-07-2006, 07:33 AM
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Yes, and I've already told you that I was wrong for using a word as strong as 'only' while changing it to 'mainly.'
It's not only conservatives. You're right about that. But a majority of conservatives do get angry when artists express their political views because the expressions are generally directed towards them.
Being that we've been under Republican executive leadership for 18 of the past 26 years, there's a valid reason for this assessment. With most or a majority of artists being liberal/leftist, or atleast with the majority of artists that express political views at all being liberal/leftist, it's no surprise that conservatives get sensitive when their administation are criticized, but it doesn't change the fact that they do.
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Why did you post all that shit about the war. I am curious.
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Yes, and I've already told you that I was wrong for using a word as strong as 'only' while changing it to 'mainly.'
It's not only conservatives. You're right about that. But a majority of conservatives do get angry when artists express their political views because the expressions are generally directed towards them.
Being that we've been under Republican executive leadership for 18 of the past 26 years, there's a valid reason for this assessment. With most or a majority of artists being liberal/leftist, or atleast with the majority of artists that express political views at all being liberal/leftist, it's no surprise that conservatives get sensitive when their administation are criticized, but it doesn't change the fact that they do.
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Why did you post all that shit about the war. I am curious.
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*shakes head in frustration*
From THEIR point of view, YOU'RE morally wrong.
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I was proving why I thought their point of view is morally wrong.
Whether or not that was warranted or instigated, I saw it fit to atleast support my own assessment.
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*shakes head in frustration*
From THEIR point of view, YOU'RE morally wrong.
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I was proving why I thought their point of view is morally wrong.
Whether or not that was warranted or instigated, I saw it fit to atleast support my own assessment.
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I was proving why I thought their point of view is morally wrong.
Whether or not that was warranted or instigated, I saw it fit to atleast support my own assessment.
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It came off as really douchbagish.
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I was proving why I thought their point of view is morally wrong.
Whether or not that was warranted or instigated, I saw it fit to atleast support my own assessment.
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It came off as really douchbagish.
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finally, some humor!
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
finally, some humor!
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It came off as really douchbagish.
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That's your opinion.
It makes it no less true.
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It came off as really douchbagish.
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That's your opinion.
It makes it no less true.
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finally, some humor!
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I'm still waiting on your rebuttal, John.
Feel free to present it when you stop laughing.
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finally, some humor!
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I'm still waiting on your rebuttal, John.
Feel free to present it when you stop laughing.
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05-07-2006, 08:01 AM
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That's your opinion.
It makes it no less true.
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It doesn't matter whether its true. I personally agree with what you said. The way you said it just came off like you were a huge tool. SO judgemental and closed minded.
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That's your opinion.
It makes it no less true.
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It doesn't matter whether its true. I personally agree with what you said. The way you said it just came off like you were a huge tool. SO judgemental and closed minded.
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It doesn't matter whether its true. I personally agree with what you said. The way you said it just came off like you were a huge tool. SO judgemental and closed minded.
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It was a generalization, not an argument presented towards one specific person.
Don't just make assessments without supporting them. If it's judgemental and closed-minded then please explain how.
I'm not saying that my claims are irrefutable. I presented an argument. If my argument was baseless or flat out wrong, then a simply rebuttal could have proven that.
It's called debating. Unlike some, I'm not trying to restrict debate, I'm advocating it.
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It doesn't matter whether its true. I personally agree with what you said. The way you said it just came off like you were a huge tool. SO judgemental and closed minded.
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It was a generalization, not an argument presented towards one specific person.
Don't just make assessments without supporting them. If it's judgemental and closed-minded then please explain how.
I'm not saying that my claims are irrefutable. I presented an argument. If my argument was baseless or flat out wrong, then a simply rebuttal could have proven that.
It's called debating. Unlike some, I'm not trying to restrict debate, I'm advocating it.
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Sorry buddy, I'm more frustrated than you are. You've gotten what you wanted, and you're seeing the mal-effects. Don't get angry or irritated when people point out that you may have been wrong.
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This was judgemental.
And I was wrong.
It's not that difficult to admit.
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Sorry buddy, I'm more frustrated than you are. You've gotten what you wanted, and you're seeing the mal-effects. Don't get angry or irritated when people point out that you may have been wrong.
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This was judgemental.
And I was wrong.
It's not that difficult to admit.
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I'm still waiting on your rebuttal, John.
Feel free to present it when you stop laughing.
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alright, i stopped.
i'm sorry you're taking this whole thing personally and feel the need to go point-for-point with an intentionally-absurd post where all I did was make some social commentary on how it's ironic that "liberals" and "independent thinkers" are close-minded when it comes to the majority of the nation (ideologically; actually women are the majority coming in at or about 51% of the population).
i think we all just need to relax, drink, smoke, do whatever you gotta do, turn on some D/R/T and spiral away the next glorious 20-odd minutes.
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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I'm still waiting on your rebuttal, John.
Feel free to present it when you stop laughing.
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alright, i stopped.
i'm sorry you're taking this whole thing personally and feel the need to go point-for-point with an intentionally-absurd post where all I did was make some social commentary on how it's ironic that "liberals" and "independent thinkers" are close-minded when it comes to the majority of the nation (ideologically; actually women are the majority coming in at or about 51% of the population).
i think we all just need to relax, drink, smoke, do whatever you gotta do, turn on some D/R/T and spiral away the next glorious 20-odd minutes.
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05-07-2006, 08:36 AM
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It was a generalization, not an argument presented towards one specific person.
Don't just make assessments without supporting them. If it's judgemental and closed-minded then please explain how.
I'm not saying that my claims are irrefutable. I presented an argument. If my argument was baseless or flat out wrong, then a simply rebuttal could have proven that.
It's called debating. Unlike some, I'm not trying to restrict debate, I'm advocating it.
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Dude, you dont think all those massive insults you threw my way were restrictive to debate? all i see from your camp is the massive hammer of your opinion coming down on those you percieve to disagree with you. Open up, dude.
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It was a generalization, not an argument presented towards one specific person.
Don't just make assessments without supporting them. If it's judgemental and closed-minded then please explain how.
I'm not saying that my claims are irrefutable. I presented an argument. If my argument was baseless or flat out wrong, then a simply rebuttal could have proven that.
It's called debating. Unlike some, I'm not trying to restrict debate, I'm advocating it.
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Dude, you dont think all those massive insults you threw my way were restrictive to debate? all i see from your camp is the massive hammer of your opinion coming down on those you percieve to disagree with you. Open up, dude.
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alright, i stopped.
i'm sorry you're taking this whole thing personally and feel the need to go point-for-point with an intentionally-absurd post where all I did was make some social commentary on how it's ironic that "liberals" and "independent thinkers" are close-minded when it comes to the majority of the nation (ideologically; actually women are the majority coming in at or about 51% of the population).
i think we all just need to relax, drink, smoke, do whatever you gotta do, turn on some D/R/T and spiral away the next glorious 20-odd minutes.
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Not taking this personally at all. Merely having discussion.
You don't seem to be big on rebuttals, but I just want to know why liberals are presumably closed-minded?
I gave my assessment on Conservatives.
Considering that the president's poll ratings are in the 30s, while the Republican Congress's ratings are in the 20s, I'm not sure how you can say that the majority of Americans are in favor of the current status of the Republican party. To me, it seems that the closed-minded are the few that still believe that the current direction of this nation is the right one, as well as the one favored by the majority of this nation. Clearly not the case.
Also, assuming the skewed perception that many Americans are presented by distorted news sources and sometimes outright propaganda, you can even argue that an American concensus still may not hold the best interest of this nation, and more importantly of the rest of the global community.
Perhaps we do need to relax, but what has transpired should not be taken lightly. Doing so would be negligent to say the least.
However, this probably isn't the forum for such a discussion, and that's probably why you'd rather we got on to other things and other discussions. Considering the forum, I'll agree, although I doubt Tool would take issue with any form of thought expansion.
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alright, i stopped.
i'm sorry you're taking this whole thing personally and feel the need to go point-for-point with an intentionally-absurd post where all I did was make some social commentary on how it's ironic that "liberals" and "independent thinkers" are close-minded when it comes to the majority of the nation (ideologically; actually women are the majority coming in at or about 51% of the population).
i think we all just need to relax, drink, smoke, do whatever you gotta do, turn on some D/R/T and spiral away the next glorious 20-odd minutes.
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Not taking this personally at all. Merely having discussion.
You don't seem to be big on rebuttals, but I just want to know why liberals are presumably closed-minded?
I gave my assessment on Conservatives.
Considering that the president's poll ratings are in the 30s, while the Republican Congress's ratings are in the 20s, I'm not sure how you can say that the majority of Americans are in favor of the current status of the Republican party. To me, it seems that the closed-minded are the few that still believe that the current direction of this nation is the right one, as well as the one favored by the majority of this nation. Clearly not the case.
Also, assuming the skewed perception that many Americans are presented by distorted news sources and sometimes outright propaganda, you can even argue that an American concensus still may not hold the best interest of this nation, and more importantly of the rest of the global community.
Perhaps we do need to relax, but what has transpired should not be taken lightly. Doing so would be negligent to say the least.
However, this probably isn't the forum for such a discussion, and that's probably why you'd rather we got on to other things and other discussions. Considering the forum, I'll agree, although I doubt Tool would take issue with any form of thought expansion.
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Dude, you dont think all those massive insults you threw my way were restrictive to debate? all i see from your camp is the massive hammer of your opinion coming down on those you percieve to disagree with you. Open up, dude.
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How did I massively insult you? I already admitted that I wrongfully misjudged you.
However, that doesn't change the fact that my argument is still up for debate, and anyone choosing to take issue with it has full authority to do so.
I haven't restricted any kind of debate. I STARTED the debate, and anyone that wishes to refute my claims can do so.
Restricting debate would be claiming that an artist shouldn't discuss his/her political views, which was done, and which was one of the main reasons why I took issue with this thread to begin with.
Don't misperceive a strong argument as a one-sided debate. Debates take two people, I simply provided my side...
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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Dude, you dont think all those massive insults you threw my way were restrictive to debate? all i see from your camp is the massive hammer of your opinion coming down on those you percieve to disagree with you. Open up, dude.
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How did I massively insult you? I already admitted that I wrongfully misjudged you.
However, that doesn't change the fact that my argument is still up for debate, and anyone choosing to take issue with it has full authority to do so.
I haven't restricted any kind of debate. I STARTED the debate, and anyone that wishes to refute my claims can do so.
Restricting debate would be claiming that an artist shouldn't discuss his/her political views, which was done, and which was one of the main reasons why I took issue with this thread to begin with.
Don't misperceive a strong argument as a one-sided debate. Debates take two people, I simply provided my side...
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You've obviously never listened to Tool.
I don't see how a closed-minded conservative could listen to a band that seeks to enlighten.
You must be here for the surface noise, because there's no way that you listen to the lyrics.
"don't these talking monkeys know that Eden has enough to go around?
plenty in this holy garden, silly old monkeys
well there's one you're bound to divide it
right in two"
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^ this. I dont feel like this is a debate, i feel like this is you trying to assert your intellectual superiority, and i don't appreciate it.
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You've obviously never listened to Tool.
I don't see how a closed-minded conservative could listen to a band that seeks to enlighten.
You must be here for the surface noise, because there's no way that you listen to the lyrics.
"don't these talking monkeys know that Eden has enough to go around?
plenty in this holy garden, silly old monkeys
well there's one you're bound to divide it
right in two"
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^ this. I dont feel like this is a debate, i feel like this is you trying to assert your intellectual superiority, and i don't appreciate it.
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^ this. I dont feel like this is a debate, i feel like this is you trying to assert your intellectual superiority, and i don't appreciate it.
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Then I apologize.
That wasn't my intention, and I did misjudge you.
Mistakes and misinterpretations happen.
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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^ this. I dont feel like this is a debate, i feel like this is you trying to assert your intellectual superiority, and i don't appreciate it.
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Then I apologize.
That wasn't my intention, and I did misjudge you.
Mistakes and misinterpretations happen.
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Then I apologize.
That wasn't my intention, and I did misjudge you.
Mistakes and misinterpretations happen.
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It almost doesn't matter if you apologize. I appreciate that you're willing to admit you were wrong, but i doubt that you realize what i'm taking issue with. Its not the fact that you thought i was a "closed minded conservative" that i take issue with, its the way that you reacted to me when you thought i was. VERY antagonistic. This is not how someone who wishes to change minds comports themselves.
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Then I apologize.
That wasn't my intention, and I did misjudge you.
Mistakes and misinterpretations happen.
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It almost doesn't matter if you apologize. I appreciate that you're willing to admit you were wrong, but i doubt that you realize what i'm taking issue with. Its not the fact that you thought i was a "closed minded conservative" that i take issue with, its the way that you reacted to me when you thought i was. VERY antagonistic. This is not how someone who wishes to change minds comports themselves.
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It almost doesn't matter if you apologize. I appreciate that you're willing to admit you were wrong, but i doubt that you realize what i'm taking issue with. Its not the fact that you thought i was a "closed minded conservative" that i take issue with, its the way that you reacted to me when you thought i was. VERY antagonistic. This is not how someone who wishes to change minds comports themselves.
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So, you take issue with the fact that I made a mistake and assumed that you fit the mold of a generalization that I was trying to depict?
Is it so wrong for someone to make a mistake?
I think you're making more of an issue out of this than you should be. A misjudgement was made, it was acknowledged, and then an apology was granted. Now you're trying to drag it out to make you seem like the better person.
If you want to claim that you've never made a mistake then I'd love to hear it. If not, then perhaps you can empathize a bit?
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It almost doesn't matter if you apologize. I appreciate that you're willing to admit you were wrong, but i doubt that you realize what i'm taking issue with. Its not the fact that you thought i was a "closed minded conservative" that i take issue with, its the way that you reacted to me when you thought i was. VERY antagonistic. This is not how someone who wishes to change minds comports themselves.
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So, you take issue with the fact that I made a mistake and assumed that you fit the mold of a generalization that I was trying to depict?
Is it so wrong for someone to make a mistake?
I think you're making more of an issue out of this than you should be. A misjudgement was made, it was acknowledged, and then an apology was granted. Now you're trying to drag it out to make you seem like the better person.
If you want to claim that you've never made a mistake then I'd love to hear it. If not, then perhaps you can empathize a bit?
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So, you take issue with the fact that I made a mistake and assumed that you fit the mold of a generalization that I was trying to depict?
Is it so wrong for someone to make a mistake?
I think you're making more of an issue out of this than you should be. A misjudgement was made, it was acknowledged, and then an apology was granted. Now you're trying to drag it out to make you seem like the better person.
If you want to claim that you've never made a mistake then I'd love to hear it. If not, then perhaps you can empathize a bit?
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once again, its not the mistake that was made that i take issue with. I dont care if you accidentally thought I was a "closed minded conservative". Its that it shows how you react to closed-minded conservatives in general.
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So, you take issue with the fact that I made a mistake and assumed that you fit the mold of a generalization that I was trying to depict?
Is it so wrong for someone to make a mistake?
I think you're making more of an issue out of this than you should be. A misjudgement was made, it was acknowledged, and then an apology was granted. Now you're trying to drag it out to make you seem like the better person.
If you want to claim that you've never made a mistake then I'd love to hear it. If not, then perhaps you can empathize a bit?
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once again, its not the mistake that was made that i take issue with. I dont care if you accidentally thought I was a "closed minded conservative". Its that it shows how you react to closed-minded conservatives in general.
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I wonder if this is how wars happen? Arguing about pointless shit. Indeed its true!
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I wonder if this is how wars happen? Arguing about pointless shit. Indeed its true!
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Please tell me what the fuck you have ever done with your life that allows you to be the judge and jury of others. Likely your some little shit who sits around doing nothing while the world passed you by.
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At his computer...24/7. This board is littered with his negative posts.
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Please tell me what the fuck you have ever done with your life that allows you to be the judge and jury of others. Likely your some little shit who sits around doing nothing while the world passed you by.
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At his computer...24/7. This board is littered with his negative posts.
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At his computer...24/7. This board is littered with his negative posts.
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Its much more littered with my ambiguous ones.
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At his computer...24/7. This board is littered with his negative posts.
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Its much more littered with my ambiguous ones.
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once again, its not the mistake that was made that i take issue with. I dont care if you accidentally thought I was a "closed minded conservative". Its that it shows how you react to closed-minded conservatives in general.
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No, I understand what you're trying to do... you're trying to imply that I'm a hypocrite.
What I'm saying is, I made a mistake, and it'd be hypocritical to look down on someone simply for doing so, especially when fault was admitted and an apology was granted.
Yes, it was closed-minded for me to assume that you fell in line with typical conservative thought, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I hold a closed-minded view against all conservatives.
I have a number of conservative friends, some more open-minded than others.
You're assuming that I have some sort of ill-seeded disdain towards everything conservative, and that isn't the case. I'm not some disgruntled democrat. I'm no democrat at all.
Yes, there are various perceptions of reality, and you seem to be claiming that a conservative's perception would lead them to believe that they are indeed right, and that's true, it does. However, regardless of perception, there is a tangible reality, discernable or not, and I do what I can to find that reality as objectively as possible.
I think that's fairly open-minded.
If, in my journey, I discover that my perception is wrong, then I do not hold a bias that will prevent me from accepting any kind of reality. A closed-minded person would be incapable of doing so.
So, once again, you're ASSUMING that I'm closed-minded just because I misjudged you. I don't think that made me closed-minded. That just made me wrong.
If I were truly closed-minded, I'd be incapable of even discerning the fact that I was wrong.
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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Originally Posted by Oberon
once again, its not the mistake that was made that i take issue with. I dont care if you accidentally thought I was a "closed minded conservative". Its that it shows how you react to closed-minded conservatives in general.
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No, I understand what you're trying to do... you're trying to imply that I'm a hypocrite.
What I'm saying is, I made a mistake, and it'd be hypocritical to look down on someone simply for doing so, especially when fault was admitted and an apology was granted.
Yes, it was closed-minded for me to assume that you fell in line with typical conservative thought, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I hold a closed-minded view against all conservatives.
I have a number of conservative friends, some more open-minded than others.
You're assuming that I have some sort of ill-seeded disdain towards everything conservative, and that isn't the case. I'm not some disgruntled democrat. I'm no democrat at all.
Yes, there are various perceptions of reality, and you seem to be claiming that a conservative's perception would lead them to believe that they are indeed right, and that's true, it does. However, regardless of perception, there is a tangible reality, discernable or not, and I do what I can to find that reality as objectively as possible.
I think that's fairly open-minded.
If, in my journey, I discover that my perception is wrong, then I do not hold a bias that will prevent me from accepting any kind of reality. A closed-minded person would be incapable of doing so.
So, once again, you're ASSUMING that I'm closed-minded just because I misjudged you. I don't think that made me closed-minded. That just made me wrong.
If I were truly closed-minded, I'd be incapable of even discerning the fact that I was wrong.
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At his computer...24/7. This board is littered with his negative posts.
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Please buddy explain to me how this could be a critism of me when you post twice as frequently as I do. Negative posts? not everything can be roses all day long, anyways go re-read the reason for this post and you'll understand my point a-hole......yeah I know facts can get a bit annoying but look it up.
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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Originally Posted by omnitronic
At his computer...24/7. This board is littered with his negative posts.
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Please buddy explain to me how this could be a critism of me when you post twice as frequently as I do. Negative posts? not everything can be roses all day long, anyways go re-read the reason for this post and you'll understand my point a-hole......yeah I know facts can get a bit annoying but look it up.
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No, I understand what you're trying to do... you're trying to imply that I'm a hypocrite.
What I'm saying is, I made a mistake, and it'd be hypocritical to look down on someone simply for doing so, especially when fault was admitted and an apology was granted.
Yes, it was closed-minded for me to assume that you fell in line with typical conservative thought, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I hold a closed-minded view against all conservatives.
I have a number of conservative friends, some more open-minded than others.
You're assuming that I have some sort of ill-seeded disdain towards everything conservative, and that isn't the case. I'm not some disgruntled democrat. I'm no democrat at all.
Yes, there are various perceptions of reality, and you seem to be claiming that a conservative's perception would lead them to believe that they are indeed right, and that's true, it does. However, regardless of perception, there is a tangible reality, discernable or not, and I do what I can to find that reality as objectively as possible.
I think that's fairly open-minded.
If, in my journey, I discover that my perception is wrong, then I do not hold a bias that will prevent me from accepting any kind of reality. A closed-minded person would be incapable of doing so.
So, once again, you're ASSUMING that I'm closed-minded just because I misjudged you. I don't think that made me closed-minded. That just made me wrong.
If I were truly closed-minded, I'd be incapable of even discerning the fact that I was wrong.
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And you seem to be incapable of understanding my point.
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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Originally Posted by Iconoclast
No, I understand what you're trying to do... you're trying to imply that I'm a hypocrite.
What I'm saying is, I made a mistake, and it'd be hypocritical to look down on someone simply for doing so, especially when fault was admitted and an apology was granted.
Yes, it was closed-minded for me to assume that you fell in line with typical conservative thought, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I hold a closed-minded view against all conservatives.
I have a number of conservative friends, some more open-minded than others.
You're assuming that I have some sort of ill-seeded disdain towards everything conservative, and that isn't the case. I'm not some disgruntled democrat. I'm no democrat at all.
Yes, there are various perceptions of reality, and you seem to be claiming that a conservative's perception would lead them to believe that they are indeed right, and that's true, it does. However, regardless of perception, there is a tangible reality, discernable or not, and I do what I can to find that reality as objectively as possible.
I think that's fairly open-minded.
If, in my journey, I discover that my perception is wrong, then I do not hold a bias that will prevent me from accepting any kind of reality. A closed-minded person would be incapable of doing so.
So, once again, you're ASSUMING that I'm closed-minded just because I misjudged you. I don't think that made me closed-minded. That just made me wrong.
If I were truly closed-minded, I'd be incapable of even discerning the fact that I was wrong.
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And you seem to be incapable of understanding my point.
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05-07-2006, 10:10 AM
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Please buddy explain to me how this could be a critism of me when you post twice as frequently as I do. Negative posts? not everything can be roses all day long, anyways go re-read the reason for this post and you'll understand my point a-hole......yeah I know facts can get a bit annoying but look it up.
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he wasn't talking about you, i dont think.
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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Please buddy explain to me how this could be a critism of me when you post twice as frequently as I do. Negative posts? not everything can be roses all day long, anyways go re-read the reason for this post and you'll understand my point a-hole......yeah I know facts can get a bit annoying but look it up.
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he wasn't talking about you, i dont think.
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05-07-2006, 10:17 AM
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he wasn't talking about you, i dont think.
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Oh....I guess thats possible
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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he wasn't talking about you, i dont think.
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Oh....I guess thats possible
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And you seem to be incapable of understanding my point.
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I'm beginning to wonder if there even is one.
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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And you seem to be incapable of understanding my point.
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I'm beginning to wonder if there even is one.
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05-07-2006, 10:22 AM
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I'm beginning to wonder if there even is one.
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I've articulated it clearly enough.
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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I'm beginning to wonder if there even is one.
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I've articulated it clearly enough.
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05-07-2006, 10:30 AM
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Please buddy explain to me how this could be a critism of me when you post twice as frequently as I do. Negative posts? not everything can be roses all day long, anyways go re-read the reason for this post and you'll understand my point a-hole......yeah I know facts can get a bit annoying but look it up.
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Sorry, I was not talking about you...I was talking about the guy you were taking issue with: submachine or whatever back on page one. I should have included both quotes...sorry about the confusion.
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05-07-2006, 10:30 AM
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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Originally Posted by buster hymen
Please buddy explain to me how this could be a critism of me when you post twice as frequently as I do. Negative posts? not everything can be roses all day long, anyways go re-read the reason for this post and you'll understand my point a-hole......yeah I know facts can get a bit annoying but look it up.
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Sorry, I was not talking about you...I was talking about the guy you were taking issue with: submachine or whatever back on page one. I should have included both quotes...sorry about the confusion.
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Sorry, I was not talking about you...I was talking about the guy you were taking issue with: submachine or whatever back on page one. I should have included both quotes...sorry about the confusion.
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Sorry to you as well. Seems we were both getting at the same thing about submachine.
Also thanks for correcting me Oberon I realized I was wrong after reading your post.
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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Sorry, I was not talking about you...I was talking about the guy you were taking issue with: submachine or whatever back on page one. I should have included both quotes...sorry about the confusion.
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Sorry to you as well. Seems we were both getting at the same thing about submachine.
Also thanks for correcting me Oberon I realized I was wrong after reading your post.
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Lateralus was about branching out and reaching out into the cosmos.
This album's about retreating back into yourself once you understand the failure of trying to transcend..
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Interesting.
05-07-2006, 11:27 AM
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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Lateralus was about branching out and reaching out into the cosmos.
This album's about retreating back into yourself once you understand the failure of trying to transcend..
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but now, when the idiot has returned, it's back to writing heavy metal music.
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that would make alot of sense if this album was actually heavy.
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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but now, when the idiot has returned, it's back to writing heavy metal music.
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that would make alot of sense if this album was actually heavy.
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05-07-2006, 11:32 AM
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he is the saying people shouldn't voice their opinions.
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No, im saying famous artists with large audience based on their art should keep their opinions to their art, lest the populace consider them an "Authority" to worship.
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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he is the saying people shouldn't voice their opinions.
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No, im saying famous artists with large audience based on their art should keep their opinions to their art, lest the populace consider them an "Authority" to worship.
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10k isn't that heavy though. most of it is really mellow. why did they keept saying it would be heavy when it really isn't? I was expecting more rocking out.
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
10k isn't that heavy though. most of it is really mellow. why did they keept saying it would be heavy when it really isn't? I was expecting more rocking out.
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05-07-2006, 11:38 AM
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Only conservatives get angry when artists express their political views because the expressions are generally directed towards them.
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It's easy to be a liberal when you're relaxing all day in mansions inside gated communities, these artists and actors and singers speak for no one but their wealthy brethren.
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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Only conservatives get angry when artists express their political views because the expressions are generally directed towards them.
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It's easy to be a liberal when you're relaxing all day in mansions inside gated communities, these artists and actors and singers speak for no one but their wealthy brethren.
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05-07-2006, 11:42 AM
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No, im saying famous artists with large audience based on their art should keep their opinions to their art, lest the populace consider them an "Authority" to worship.
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The only people who will view them as an authority are sheepish individuals and therfore would latch onto anything they do and that cannot be controlled or resticted.
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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No, im saying famous artists with large audience based on their art should keep their opinions to their art, lest the populace consider them an "Authority" to worship.
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The only people who will view them as an authority are sheepish individuals and therfore would latch onto anything they do and that cannot be controlled or resticted.
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05-07-2006, 11:54 AM
^ You mean like Iconoclast?
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I wrongfully misjudged you.
It was close minded for me
I made a mistake
This was judgemental.
I was wrong..
A misjudgement was made
fault was admitted
I did misjudge you.
Mistakes and misinterpretations happen
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Typical liberal, wrong about even the smallest things but always with the loudest (and still wrong-est) voice in global politics.
And now I lol.
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Is it so wrong for someone to make a mistake?
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Maybe when they are in power? Which is precisely why you and those you would follow are thankfully not :)
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
^ You mean like Iconoclast?
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Originally Posted by Iconoclast
I wrongfully misjudged you.
It was close minded for me
I made a mistake
This was judgemental.
I was wrong..
A misjudgement was made
fault was admitted
I did misjudge you.
Mistakes and misinterpretations happen
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Typical liberal, wrong about even the smallest things but always with the loudest (and still wrong-est) voice in global politics.
And now I lol.
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Is it so wrong for someone to make a mistake?
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Maybe when they are in power? Which is precisely why you and those you would follow are thankfully not :)
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05-07-2006, 12:04 PM
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^ You mean like Iconoclast?
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Directed towards me? If so no, I was speaking in general terms.
Also one admitting their own mistakes to me is a sign of personal growth and should not be frowned upon or mocked.
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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^ You mean like Iconoclast?
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Directed towards me? If so no, I was speaking in general terms.
Also one admitting their own mistakes to me is a sign of personal growth and should not be frowned upon or mocked.
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I'm beginning to wonder if there even is one.
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As liberal as I am in most of my opinions, views, etc, it's people like you that make me hate liberals far more than conservatives.
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Re: Reason why the songs on 10k days sounds like the old songs
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I'm beginning to wonder if there even is one.
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As liberal as I am in most of my opinions, views, etc, it's people like you that make me hate liberals far more than conservatives.
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