Okay. So, earlier I was listening to Undertow, right? Like we usually do. I know I personally set aside an hour and a half to listen to it every day. So, I came upon 4° at some point down the line, two-and-a-half sides in on the vinyl, and, on listening to the intro, I had a sudden thought.
"Hey, don't that sound familiar?" I said to myself, listening to these first thirty seconds or so... but I couldn't quite put my finger on it.
Then, later, I put my MP3 player on shuffle. 4° comes up again. Next song after it? Stinkfist. Now I knew where I recognized that sound from!
So, is it just me, or are the intros to Stinkfist and 4° similar?
Also something I noticed is that Stinkfist is a song about how much we are over-stimulated, expressed in a way such that it could be misconstrued as being a song about anal sex, and 4° is a song about how much we need to open to others, expressed in a way such that it could be misconstrued as being a... song about anal sex.
Why am I asking? Because I'm writing this long thing regarding my full interpretation of Ænima, and while I could, in theory, assume this relationship, you know what they say - assuming makes an ass of you and me. I'd love some backing-up.
As far as the intro goes, I don't really hear it. It does carry a similar rhythm to it though.
I think the meanings are sort of similar though. Maynard has referred to both of them as "love songs". They seem to describe a similar relationship. While one is more pushing the other into a change, into something more, and the other more about how such action needs to happen. Almost wanting the other to do that pushing forward to something more.
As far as the intro goes, I don't really hear it. It does carry a similar rhythm to it though.
That's what I meant, thanks. Phew, I'm not on too much acid.
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I think the meanings are sort of similar though. Maynard has referred to both of them as "love songs". They seem to describe a similar relationship. While one is more pushing the other into a change, into something more, and the other more about how such action needs to happen. Almost wanting the other to do that pushing forward to something more.
Hm... interesting interpretation. Thanks muchly. I thought about this a little, where Stinkfist seems a little more... passive than 4° in its attempts for change, in my opinion... Then, it's probably just me.
wow schema that's a pretty long stretch but if you hear it...
maybe the second riff is a similar pattern of notes, but the first part
of 4 degrees is like some opium den harp effect as opposed to the
digital ponging of Stinkfist
I'd say that the intros... at least follow the same rhythm. As for the second riff? I may have to look into it...
I had to slow down Stinkfist a little bit to get them to sync up, and it loses sync after the fourth time because Stinkfist slows down and the feedback comes in. First 3 loops sound really cool though.
I had to slow down Stinkfist a little bit to get them to sync up, and it loses sync after the fourth time because Stinkfist slows down and the feedback comes in. First 3 loops sound really cool though.
I see what you mean. It's not a striking similarity, but the intro/chorus of 4 Degrees and the chorus of Stinkfist (from a guitarist's perspective) are played with a similar rhythm and are played near similar frets (ie have the same low-high-low contrast). That's my two cents.
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4 degrees:
Let's go digging.
Bring it out to take you back in.
Stinkfist:
I'll keep digging till
I feel something.
4 degrees:
Lay back and let me show you another way.
Stinkfist:
Relax, turn around and take my hand.
4 degrees:
You won't feel what you'd like to feel.
Stinkfist:
How can it mean anything to me
If I really don't feel anything at all?
Never stopped to think about them in this light but it is pretty interesting. I don't know if there was a specific intention with this or just similar themes as most of their albums seem to have anyway and we find the similarities in the songs. Pretty cool duality with those lyrics though Blake
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sorry... that should have been "eyeballs deep"... no space... but on that creepy note... what if your eyes were under your junk and your balls hung from your forehead??? then you would have to wear boxers/briefs/boxer-briefs on your face and sunglasses under your shaft... that would be weird... of course you could get a pretty good look at things when you're getting lucky : ) but you would have to smell balls all day, so i guess that's a negative... don't know how i got here, but it was fun anyway : )
sorry... that should have been "eyeballs deep"... no space... but on that creepy note... what if your eyes were under your junk and your balls hung from your forehead??? then you would have to wear boxers/briefs/boxer-briefs on your face and sunglasses under your shaft... that would be weird... of course you could get a pretty good look at things when you're getting lucky : ) but you would have to smell balls all day, so i guess that's a negative... don't know how i got here, but it was fun anyway : )
I don't know about you but the thought of balls on my face doesn't necessarily sound fun to me.
Enjoy =-)
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I don't know about you but the thought of balls on my face doesn't necessarily sound fun to me.
Enjoy =-)
someone else's balls, definitely not... but my/your own balls... might get used to it... especially if it were either that or no balls... your eyes would still be down under though...
someone else's balls, definitely not... but my/your own balls... might get used to it... especially if it were either that or no balls... your eyes would still be down under though...
Um, no....but to each their own
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so back to 4 degrees... the sitar(spelling?) sound at the beginning is really cool...
I'd like to learn how to play the guitar myself....tried for about 2weeks years ago and got fed up and impatient and said fuck it...now I have no guitar at all.
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I'd like to learn how to play the guitar myself....tried for about 2weeks years ago and got fed up and impatient and said fuck it...now I have no guitar at all.
it's actually not that hard to get the sitar sounding effect... i'm sure he used a pedal, but when i play this song i usually pluck the strings as far right as they go, before going into the guitar... it sounds close enough... i also use this technique when playing the intro to 'wish you were here'(floyd not incubus)... then i pluck higher and lower in between the different guitar sounds... they obviously are using two different guitars, but since i don't have 4 arms...4 arms... 4 degrees... WOW...
I'd like to learn how to play the guitar myself....tried for about 2weeks years ago and got fed up and impatient and said fuck it...now I have no guitar at all.
I bought a guitar 2 weeks ago, I've yet to catch onto any signs of developing talent. I think I'm going to need to get a good book on it and just play the entire weekend away.
I bought a guitar 2 weeks ago, I've yet to catch onto any signs of developing talent. I think I'm going to need to get a good book on it and just play the entire weekend away.
the first thing you need to learn, no matter what any book tells you, is rhythm... not what chord is what or whatever... if you can get a good rhythm going with your strumming and your picking then it doesn't matter what you play, it will sound half decent... or semi like you know what you're doing... the one thing that makes a bad guiter player is the stiff metronomic(that's a word i made up) strumming that a lot of people do... even people who have played for years... if you've got rhythm, you've got it... that's just my 2 cents...
the first thing you need to learn, no matter what any book tells you, is rhythm... not what chord is what or whatever... if you can get a good rhythm going with your strumming and your picking then it doesn't matter what you play, it will sound half decent... or semi like you know what you're doing... the one thing that makes a bad guiter player is the stiff metronomic(that's a word i made up) strumming that a lot of people do... even people who have played for years... if you've got rhythm, you've got it... that's just my 2 cents...
I've started to get good rhythm going, and I know what you mean by metronomic strumming. I just need to learn how to play some chords now and I think I can kind of learn the rest as I go. The guitar I bought was only 150 dollars so I didn't waste much money if I can never get good.
I've started to get good rhythm going, and I know what you mean by metronomic strumming. I just need to learn how to play some chords now and I think I can kind of learn the rest as I go. The guitar I bought was only 150 dollars so I didn't waste much money if I can never get good.
good for you... rhythm is the first step... bad-assness is soon to follow : )
He's a little bit wrong in a way. Some types of music (especially if you're playing with another guitarist) require as perfect of timing as you can get, if you're playing notes of the same rhythmic value for an entire bar or more. Since you're human, you'll still have enough variation on everything to keep it sounding natural, but making sure you can stay on time with, say, a full bar or more of eighth or sixteenth notes, can be very important.
well i don't pay attention to eighth or sixteenth notes or any other musically inclined sounding jargon... i never learned to read music or any of the fundamentals... i started playing and just kept playing and playing... i've played now for about 11 years... i did the band thing a couple of times but now i have a family and have no time for that... my children love the guitar though... they usually beat on my djimbae while i play the guitar... it's fun...
well i don't pay attention to eighth or sixteenth notes or any other musically inclined sounding jargon... i never learned to read music or any of the fundamentals... i started playing and just kept playing and playing... i've played now for about 11 years... i did the band thing a couple of times but now i have a family and have no time for that... my children love the guitar though... they usually beat on my djimbae while i play the guitar... it's fun...
Maybe I'm just not musically inclined, or perhaps I'm just too lazy to really learn....perhaps I should just buy myself a congo drum or something. Or better yet a kazoo, haha
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Maybe I'm just not musically inclined, or perhaps I'm just too lazy to really learn....perhaps I should just buy myself a congo drum or something. Or better yet a kazoo, haha
or a sitar... like bill hicks said... "now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig... this is so easy... it's just one note.... now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig"
or a sitar... like bill hicks said... "now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig... this is so easy... it's just one note.... now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig"
Um, I'm hoping nig isn't what I think it is.
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no no... i don't remember what stand up it's from, revelations maybe... bill talks about being high and playing the sitar... just find it and watch and you will know what i mean... nothing racially offensive by all means... i talk all the time about us all being one... all races, genders, everyone and everything... do you really think i would post something racially offensive??? silly you : )
no it's revelations, i looked it up... i don't know how far in, but it's there... just go to youtube or google video and look up " bill hicks revelation "... watch and enjoy : )
