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Old 08-16-2019, 11:00 AM   #6281
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Re: General Tool Discussion

Just double checked and it is listed as a 2w speaker, I must have been tripping when I thought I saw 5w. Rats
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"Yeah Tool is fucking amazing. But there’s a big chunk of their fan base that think they’ve become thought provoking geniuses just from listening to them."
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If one cannot dream, what is left?

During 10,000 days tour they played Lateralus as a regular.
I just don't want you to be too disappointed. ;)


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Just double checked and it is listed as a 2w speaker, I must have been tripping when I thought I saw 5w. Rats
Oh yeah. It is 2 watts. Not 5.

Still enough to provide the necessary ambiance
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I just don't want you to be too disappointed. ;)


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a 2009er an elderstatesman...
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Note the 2 in my name had to do a hard reset in 2009, but I'm OGT from the first E.P.

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Re: General Tool Discussion

Anyway...

With all the new songs I hope they break out, I don't expect any "not played in a long time cuts"
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Re: General Tool Discussion

Set list discussions... Ah, how I missed them! Also nice to see the energy ramping up here. This has always been a good forum.

Tool has usually been good about representing at least one song from each full length release during a given setlist. And lately they've even included Part Of Me off Opiate.

I think they'll play various combinations of The Pot, Vicarious from 10k (sure wish that was Right In Two instead). Parabola, Schism from Lateralus. Stinkfist, Ćnema from Ćnema. And Intolerance, Sober from Undertow.

Like Embryo says, it's gonna be the path of least resistance so they can focus on the new stuff. I am totally fine with it.

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Set list discussions... Ah, how I missed them! Also nice to see the energy ramping up here. This has always been a good forum.

Tool has usually been good about representing at least one song from each full length release during a given setlist. And lately they've even included Part Of Me off Opiate.

I think they'll play various combinations of The Pot, Vicarious from 10k (sure wish that was Right In Two instead). Parabola, Schism from Lateralus. Stinkfist, Ćnema from Ćnema. And Intolerance, Sober from Undertow.

Like Embryo says, it's gonna be the path of least resistance so they can focus on the new stuff. I am totally fine with it.
Imagine the rehearsals for this tour, I believe the drums for FI were recorded over 2 years ago. They are going to have to learn the the new material all over again. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if the tour doesn't kick off until Nov/Dec and Aftershock is a "one off" with the same set list as the other festivals this year.
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Imagine the rehearsals for this tour, I believe the drums for FI were recorded over 2 years ago. They are going to have to learn the the new material all over again. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if the tour doesn't kick off until Nov/Dec and Aftershock is a "one off" with the same set list as the other festivals this year.
Interesting theory and makes perfect sense. I am with ya on the festivals thing but I actually like the recent setlist well enough to consider Aftershock, especially if no more dates till late this year early next. Aftershock is ok. A little dusty. And the stage layout does not quite work. But I had fun the one time I was there.

Btw, one thing I have learned after 40 shows or so is not to underestimate the band's tech skills. Last time I saw them in Sacto they sound-checked with Eulogy with Maynard and tackled it full roar. It sounded amazing for a song they had not done in years (I think they only recent performance of it was during a show just after Cornell died). Adam tends to be a bit sloppy when he's not rehearsed, but I have utmost faith in Justin's and Danny's ability to do any song in their catalog at the drop of a hat.

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... but with fear Inoculum in the setlist. That's a given.
Definitely. Which makes Aftershock even more appealing.
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See, I suspect they recorded FI and probably a bunch of other songs way more recently than than they'd want to admit, and it's all going to be fresh for upcoming shows. They're probably finally getting the hang of some of them.
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Re: General Tool Discussion

Aftershock is sold out on Sunday. Still not sure how I'll get in but its sooo close to where I live, it's hard to imagine missing it..

PLUS My pals Fu Manchu are also playing that day.
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My Birthday is in late October. I'd love for a PNW show around that time!!

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Imagine, if all the guest users made accounts and then started researching Fear Inoculum with us, we would probably know half of the secret meanings by now.
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i think 90% of the guests are bots
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My Birthday is in late October. I'd love for a PNW show around that time!!

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Bigfoot IS an alien.

If by alien, you mean interdimensional traveler.
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Imagine, if all the guest users made accounts and then started researching Fear Inoculum with us, we would probably know half of the secret meanings by now.
what secrets are you alluding to? I already know jimmy may be their best song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXSFAe6EV6w


tool knows there is no love in fear. the band also knows that this album will serve as a spark to a flame for people to grow internally and thus learn to become more loving and more caring. That is because of tool and the amount of attention to detail and dedication to the love of the craft implanted into this upcoming album will be one that resonates with the collective unconscious for the betterment of everyone.
Fear (the) Inoculum
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Re: General Tool Discussion

What is the consensus setlist for TOOLFi tour?

Will it be New album+Schism,Sober,Stinkfist?
More of a mix, less new album?
Lateralus did not have all songs premiered at first show, iirc.

What do you think, toolies?
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Oh you silly dreamers.

Is this everyone's first rodeo with Tool setlists?

If they are busting out 90 mins of insanely complex music from the new album there is no way in hell they'll go back and do a major break out.

They'll need to cruise the rest of the way in the set just to survive the tour.
I tend to agree with this line of thinking. But if you were to choose one anomaly for the night you go to see them, which song do you want to be present for?
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I tend to agree with this line of thinking. But if you were to choose one anomaly for the night you go to see them, which song do you want to be present for?
4 degrees

But I've been lucky enough to see almost every song performed live (if they've played it, I believe I've seen it with a few exceptions)
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I tend to agree with this line of thinking. But if you were to choose one anomaly for the night you go to see them, which song do you want to be present for?
I know it's unoriginal and it's only a cover, but No Quarter. I've only seen them live once though so I may not have a dog in the fight
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For me it will always be Jimmy. I know they won't do it. But then I never thought I'd see Ticks performed live either.
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Yeah, seeing tick&Leeches live and now realizing they only played it 25 times in concert is pretty neat. (According setlist.fm).

From Aenima I would really like to hear jimmy as well. Best track after Aenema on that record.
From Lateralus the only song I haven't heard live is the Patient.
Heard all from 10,000 Days except full length Intension.
From Undertow I would love Undertow.
I saw Intension the first time played at the Red Rocks in Colorado and there was so much chatter and yapping during it, I almost got in several fights telling hipsters to shut the fuck up.

(Kind off odd Setlist FM has the FTP for Intension wrong.)

Being a huge Kyuss fan I wish they would break out Demon Cleaner again, but that's as abouts unrealistic as it gets.
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I tend to agree with this line of thinking. But if you were to choose one anomaly for the night you go to see them, which song do you want to be present for?
I could die happy if I heard Cold and Ugly live. When it comes to the quieter songs, I'd like to hear things like Disposition or intension but I know that crowds are incapable of shutting the fuck up. I saw them do Wings For Marie live and people just didn't stop talking, until the heavy bit, when they whooped and yelled.
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It is unreasonable to expect silence from a large group of people. And it’s a rock show, thus the yelling.
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It is unreasonable to expect silence from a large group of people. And it’s a rock show, thus the yelling.
That's different from conversations and general chatter, in talking about people who were ignoring the show and talking amongst themselves. Loudly.

It's an epidemic.
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Somehow I've seen intension, ticks & leeches and no quarter live but I've yet to see Third Eye. Cmon V_V.
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Somehow I've seen intension, ticks & leeches and no quarter live but I've yet to see Third Eye. Cmon V_V.
Damn! That is hard to do.
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I don't see how tbh?
Cool, no worries man, not hear to argue.
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I think that bootlegs make this phenomenon much more noticable than when you're there in person. Usually I'm absorbed enough in the show that I couldn't give two fucks what the person next to me is doing.

And given that a number come from a festival setting, it's no real surprise that not everyone is engaged.
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Old 08-20-2019, 01:28 AM   #6311
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People can’t sing at shows? That’s the grumpiest shit I ever heard.

Not that I ever got a “sing along” vibe at Tool shows, but cmon.
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Out of anything I want to hear the Salival version of Pushit again. Saw it in 2001 and so many shows later it was still the best live Tool moment for me.
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I think that bootlegs make this phenomenon much more noticable than when you're there in person. Usually I'm absorbed enough in the show that I couldn't give two fucks what the person next to me is doing.

And given that a number come from a festival setting, it's no real surprise that not everyone is engaged.
It's only an issue with the quieter numbers for me. In the case of Intension, it was clear that 90% had no idea what it was (maybe thinking
it was a taped interlude) and were just plain not interested.

I've been to some theater shows back in the day where you could hear a pin drop and all 1,200 of of us were hanging on every note.

But that was a long time ago...
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Old 08-20-2019, 10:40 AM   #6314
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I saw the debut of Wings in L.A. both nights and that was as spine tingly as it gets. My hands started shaking the first night when the first notes registered and the crowd figured out what was happening. Watching Maynard struggle through it was something else. It looked like he almost gave up and wanted to quit mid-song.

I've seen No Quarter and a Cold Ugly/Commando (ramones) opener too but I always wanted to see Ticks and missed out on it. I doubt they will play it again due to the screaming verses.

One thing is for sure, the setlists will finally be mixed up with the new album. Hallelujah!
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Set list Prediction:


Ćnema
46&2
Fear Inoculum
Pneuma
Invincible
Descending

Chocolate Chip Trip

Jambi
Stinkfist
7empest

I'll stick with this.
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Old 08-20-2019, 10:52 PM   #6316
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Actually, last tour we got an even mix:
3x Aenima, 3x Lateralus, 3x 10,000 Days, 3x Fear Inoculum and an old song.

For the album tour it could go like this:
2x Aenima, 2x Lateralus, 2x 10,000 Days, 6x Fear Inoculum and an old song.
I agree with this assessment overall, but considering that all the FI songs are over 10 minutes (excluding CCTrip), I think there'd be some expectation the setlist need be longer to accommodate it. That'd be cool and all, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Old 08-21-2019, 03:02 AM   #6317
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So it will be the really short songs from the older Albums aka segues only…
Huh? You mean they're going to play Mantra and Die Eier Von Satan instead of Schism and Stinkfist?
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Huh? You mean they're going to play Mantra and Die Eier Von Satan instead of Schism and Stinkfist?
Works for me! :)
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Huh? You mean they're going to play Mantra and Die Eier Von Satan instead of Schism and Stinkfist?
"Intermission" could actually be for the Intermission...
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My guesses on the setlist:

- Sober
- Schism
- Aenima
- Wings for Marie / 10,000 days
- All major Fear Inocolum Tracks
- Lateralus or The Pot 50/50

Song they will never play again:
Parabola

I was like 14 the last time I saw them live but even *I* want seats at the venue.
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