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TO ALL: YOU HEAR WHAT YOU WANT AND I HEAR WHAT I KNOW. AND I AM A WOMAN ( TO THAT GUY WHO CALLED ME A "DOOD" ) AND I CAN WRITE WHATEVER I WANT. I HEAR WHAT I HEAR IN THIS SONG. IT'S MY EARS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE BUT TO BE MEAN ABOUT IT LEAVES ME TO WANT THE BENEVOLENT SON AROUND ME EVEN MORE...... AND I WRITE IN CAPITALS JUST BECAUSE I LIKE TO. ANY HARM IN THAT??
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TO ALL: YOU HEAR WHAT YOU WANT AND I HEAR WHAT I KNOW. AND I AM A WOMAN ( TO THAT GUY WHO CALLED ME A "DOOD" ) AND I CAN WRITE WHATEVER I WANT. I HEAR WHAT I HEAR IN THIS SONG. IT'S MY EARS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE BUT TO BE MEAN ABOUT IT LEAVES ME TO WANT THE BENEVOLENT SON AROUND ME EVEN MORE...... AND I WRITE IN CAPITALS JUST BECAUSE I LIKE TO. ANY HARM IN THAT??
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If you do see it in religious terms (and pardon the "fucktard" comment, I just get frustrated when people say that these "can't be the official lyrics" when they clearly are), then what do you have to say about "Legion" now?
There have been countless threads where this has been mentioned, but I'll just stick the chapter and verse here: Mark 5:10/Luke 8:31 (incontext). Try biblegateway.com. Doesn't LEGION make more sense than LEECH given that the devil was already discussed in the song?
We may all hear what we want to hear, but to suggest that the lyrics are incorrect based on your hearing is just silly. Think and believe what you want, that's fine, but just don't say that we're wrong for attempting to decipher the ACTUAL lyrics as given to us by Blair from Maynard.
And I like the Benevolent Son as much as you do, so again, I apologize for calling the "fucktard" comment - I got heated and it was uncalled for.
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no harm done. :) i hear the last as leech. "silence leech and save your poison, silence leech and stay out of my way.... that's what i hear but....
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If you do see it in religious terms (and pardon the "fucktard" comment, I just get frustrated when people say that these "can't be the official lyrics" when they clearly are), then what do you have to say about "Legion" now?
There have been countless threads where this has been mentioned, but I'll just stick the chapter and verse here: Mark 5:10/Luke 8:31 (incontext). Try biblegateway.com. Doesn't LEGION make more sense than LEECH given that the devil was already discussed in the song?
We may all hear what we want to hear, but to suggest that the lyrics are incorrect based on your hearing is just silly. Think and believe what you want, that's fine, but just don't say that we're wrong for attempting to decipher the ACTUAL lyrics as given to us by Blair from Maynard.
And I like the Benevolent Son as much as you do, so again, I apologize for calling the "fucktard" comment - I got heated and it was uncalled for.
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I guess someone could argue that Maynard should have sang "Shine on ambivalent and coincidentally beneficial to man kind by no choice of its own...sun."
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hahahaaha. i'm so happy that he didn't sing that. :)
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I guess someone could argue that Maynard should have sang "Shine on ambivalent and coincidentally beneficial to man kind by no choice of its own...sun."
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No harm, just lame and ego driven.
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i think lame and ego driven is harmful. just my opinion......
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i think lame and ego driven is harmful. just my opinion......
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i think lame and ego driven is harmful. just my opinion......
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Silence, legion. save your poison. Silence, legion. Stay out of my way.
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Silence, legion. save your poison. Silence, legion. Stay out of my way.
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10-20-2007, 01:28 PM
jambi, is also rooted in the word "Jamb" as in door jamb....like a supporting structure--so the eyes could be supported & held open by Jambs....
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jambi, is also rooted in the word "Jamb" as in door jamb....like a supporting structure--so the eyes could be supported & held open by Jambs....
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jambi, is also rooted in the word "Jamb" as in door jamb....like a supporting structure--so the eyes could be supported & held open by Jambs....
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OR... read the lyrics...
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just a warning... but don't start this argument with Inner_ if you think he's being mean now. it will only get worse...
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i like your style... :)
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here's how i see it, boring as it may be to repeat, legion is a two syllable word, leech is one, if you put "leech and..." that makes it sound like two. see what i mean?? :)
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here's how i see it, boring as it may be to repeat, legion is a two syllable word, leech is one, if you put "leech and..." that makes it sound like two. see what i mean?? :)
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here's how i see it, boring as it may be to repeat, legion is a two syllable word, leech is one, if you put "leech and..." that makes it sound like two. see what i mean?? :)
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I know exactly what you mean, and it's been debated hotly for the past year and a half on this site. I'm just saying that the lyrics now show (from the singer himself) the line to be "Legion", which to me makes even more sense if you were going for the spiritual theme. There's no mention of anything leeching off of him in the previous parts of the song - even the "devil and his" are just spoken of as being forces that drag the narrator down, not sucking his soul or bleeding him dry.
The sound is indeed quite similar (if not identical) and you could make a case for "leech and" if it weren't for being given the official lyrics from toolband.com. In fact, this was the most common idea until we received the lyrics (though I have to admit that I've always thought it was "Legion" because of the Biblical imagery in "devil" and "martyr", etc.; so I feel a bit vindicated after the release of the lyrics).
Oh, and thanks for the props Octopod!
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here's how i see it, boring as it may be to repeat, legion is a two syllable word, leech is one, if you put "leech and..." that makes it sound like two. see what i mean?? :)
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I know exactly what you mean, and it's been debated hotly for the past year and a half on this site. I'm just saying that the lyrics now show (from the singer himself) the line to be "Legion", which to me makes even more sense if you were going for the spiritual theme. There's no mention of anything leeching off of him in the previous parts of the song - even the "devil and his" are just spoken of as being forces that drag the narrator down, not sucking his soul or bleeding him dry.
The sound is indeed quite similar (if not identical) and you could make a case for "leech and" if it weren't for being given the official lyrics from toolband.com. In fact, this was the most common idea until we received the lyrics (though I have to admit that I've always thought it was "Legion" because of the Biblical imagery in "devil" and "martyr", etc.; so I feel a bit vindicated after the release of the lyrics).
Oh, and thanks for the props Octopod!
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doesnt sun and son mean the same thing when you think about it in a tree of life/qabalistic context? tiphareth = son/sun (of male chokmah and female binah)
maybe there's some meaning behind this word? ;)
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doesnt sun and son mean the same thing when you think about it in a tree of life/qabalistic context? tiphareth = son/sun (of male chokmah and female binah)
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just a warning... but don't start this argument with Inner_ if you think he's being mean now. it will only get worse...
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No argument here, she's right. Lame and ego driven are negative, if not harmful. I have myself to thank for that at times. I can be very ego driven at times and very self reflective at times. I have enough things to work on, I've been learning that as well. But, I will still always probably be one to call out the lame and impaired common sense ramblings.
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just a warning... but don't start this argument with Inner_ if you think he's being mean now. it will only get worse...
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No argument here, she's right. Lame and ego driven are negative, if not harmful. I have myself to thank for that at times. I can be very ego driven at times and very self reflective at times. I have enough things to work on, I've been learning that as well. But, I will still always probably be one to call out the lame and impaired common sense ramblings.
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I know exactly what you mean, and it's been debated hotly for the past year and a half on this site. I'm just saying that the lyrics now show (from the singer himself) the line to be "Legion", which to me makes even more sense if you were going for the spiritual theme. There's no mention of anything leeching off of him in the previous parts of the song - even the "devil and his" are just spoken of as being forces that drag the narrator down, not sucking his soul or bleeding him dry.
The sound is indeed quite similar (if not identical) and you could make a case for "leech and" if it weren't for being given the official lyrics from toolband.com. In fact, this was the most common idea until we received the lyrics (though I have to admit that I've always thought it was "Legion" because of the Biblical imagery in "devil" and "martyr", etc.; so I feel a bit vindicated after the release of the lyrics).
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I still have yet to see an "official posting" of said official lyrics. ;-P
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I know exactly what you mean, and it's been debated hotly for the past year and a half on this site. I'm just saying that the lyrics now show (from the singer himself) the line to be "Legion", which to me makes even more sense if you were going for the spiritual theme. There's no mention of anything leeching off of him in the previous parts of the song - even the "devil and his" are just spoken of as being forces that drag the narrator down, not sucking his soul or bleeding him dry.
The sound is indeed quite similar (if not identical) and you could make a case for "leech and" if it weren't for being given the official lyrics from toolband.com. In fact, this was the most common idea until we received the lyrics (though I have to admit that I've always thought it was "Legion" because of the Biblical imagery in "devil" and "martyr", etc.; so I feel a bit vindicated after the release of the lyrics).
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I still have yet to see an "official posting" of said official lyrics. ;-P
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Because Kabir's a hack admin.
check out http://www.fourtheye.net/?p=853 (hellboy gets letters directly from TOOL)
read down a bit and you'll see the post of someone's cut and paste job from toolarmy.com
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I still have yet to see an "official posting" of said official lyrics. ;-P
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check out http://www.fourtheye.net/?p=853 (hellboy gets letters directly from TOOL)
read down a bit and you'll see the post of someone's cut and paste job from toolarmy.com
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Nah, too much trouble...thanks for the effort though
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Because Kabir's a hack admin.
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Nah, too much trouble...thanks for the effort though
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Nah, too much trouble...thanks for the effort though
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Does anyway else think he says kneeling away my center instead of giving away my center? I don't doubt these are the official lyrics, but use your ears. Also, have a look at the official lyrics for Undertow, he's never been one for complete accuracy when typing out lyrics; for example, he also leaves out the wanna wish it all away part because it's repetitive.
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Does anyway else think he says kneeling away my center instead of giving away my center? I don't doubt these are the official lyrics, but use your ears. Also, have a look at the official lyrics for Undertow, he's never been one for complete accuracy when typing out lyrics; for example, he also leaves out the wanna wish it all away part because it's repetitive.
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Does anyway else think he says kneeling away my center instead of giving away my center? I don't doubt these are the official lyrics, but use your ears. Also, have a look at the official lyrics for Undertow, he's never been one for complete accuracy when typing out lyrics; for example, he also leaves out the wanna wish it all away part because it's repetitive.
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You could make a case for that I think. Which wouldn't interfere with the lyrics we've been given since "kneeling" and "giving" involve the same action of allowing someone else to take his "center", though in different ways (which are both nuanced).
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Does anyway else think he says kneeling away my center instead of giving away my center? I don't doubt these are the official lyrics, but use your ears. Also, have a look at the official lyrics for Undertow, he's never been one for complete accuracy when typing out lyrics; for example, he also leaves out the wanna wish it all away part because it's repetitive.
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You could make a case for that I think. Which wouldn't interfere with the lyrics we've been given since "kneeling" and "giving" involve the same action of allowing someone else to take his "center", though in different ways (which are both nuanced).
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I've always heard Jambi the second time too.
It's an Inna Gadda Da Vita kind of thing. Maynard screwed up the lyrics, they all laughed about it and said 'let's keep it and name the song that.'
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Damn my eyes
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Does anyway else think he says kneeling away my center instead of giving away my center? I don't doubt these are the official lyrics, but use your ears. Also, have a look at the official lyrics for Undertow, he's never been one for complete accuracy when typing out lyrics; for example, he also leaves out the wanna wish it all away part because it's repetitive.
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By chance, and I mean just by chance...you didn't happen to ever stop and think about how stupid that sounds? I mean, "kneeling away my center"? Are you fucking serious? Does that phrase right there make any sense to anybody? Now, I suppose you could argue that grammatically it should be "kneeling away FROM my center" but...sadly, the fact is that it does not and that it actually is "giving away my center" which even goes along with the lyrics "..or justify my, GIVING away my center".
<shakes head> When will people ever learn.......
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Re: Official Lyrics
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Does anyway else think he says kneeling away my center instead of giving away my center? I don't doubt these are the official lyrics, but use your ears. Also, have a look at the official lyrics for Undertow, he's never been one for complete accuracy when typing out lyrics; for example, he also leaves out the wanna wish it all away part because it's repetitive.
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By chance, and I mean just by chance...you didn't happen to ever stop and think about how stupid that sounds? I mean, "kneeling away my center"? Are you fucking serious? Does that phrase right there make any sense to anybody? Now, I suppose you could argue that grammatically it should be "kneeling away FROM my center" but...sadly, the fact is that it does not and that it actually is "giving away my center" which even goes along with the lyrics "..or justify my, GIVING away my center".
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10-24-2007, 09:05 AM
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You could make a case for that I think. Which wouldn't interfere with the lyrics we've been given since "kneeling" and "giving" involve the same action of allowing someone else to take his "center", though in different ways (which are both nuanced).
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I gotta call you out on this one...you can not kneel away something, what you CAN DO is kneel AWAY FROM, TOWARDS, or even BESIDE something.
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You could make a case for that I think. Which wouldn't interfere with the lyrics we've been given since "kneeling" and "giving" involve the same action of allowing someone else to take his "center", though in different ways (which are both nuanced).
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I gotta call you out on this one...you can not kneel away something, what you CAN DO is kneel AWAY FROM, TOWARDS, or even BESIDE something.
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10-24-2007, 11:32 AM
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I gotta call you out on this one...you can not kneel away something, what you CAN DO is kneel AWAY FROM, TOWARDS, or even BESIDE something.
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ACTUALLY... I think it makes perfect metaphorical sense.
If we are talking about giving away something or some sort of penance. There's Christian/Catholic imagery in other songs on this album (and, I'd suggest this one as well). If you take kneeling in prayer to be a penance for sin, "kneeling away your sin" would make total sense. I'm not entirely sure what "kneeling away my center" means, except that it probably has something to do with prayer (which fits the previous lyrics very well I think).
"No one could justify my kneeling away my center" could be possibly paraphrased "No one could justify me giving my life to some god" (the idea in Christianity being that you have to lose your life [your center] in order to gain it).
I'm not saying it's accurate, but I think you can make a pretty good case for it in the metaphorical sense.
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Re: Official Lyrics
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I gotta call you out on this one...you can not kneel away something, what you CAN DO is kneel AWAY FROM, TOWARDS, or even BESIDE something.
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ACTUALLY... I think it makes perfect metaphorical sense.
If we are talking about giving away something or some sort of penance. There's Christian/Catholic imagery in other songs on this album (and, I'd suggest this one as well). If you take kneeling in prayer to be a penance for sin, "kneeling away your sin" would make total sense. I'm not entirely sure what "kneeling away my center" means, except that it probably has something to do with prayer (which fits the previous lyrics very well I think).
"No one could justify my kneeling away my center" could be possibly paraphrased "No one could justify me giving my life to some god" (the idea in Christianity being that you have to lose your life [your center] in order to gain it).
I'm not saying it's accurate, but I think you can make a pretty good case for it in the metaphorical sense.
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By chance, and I mean just by chance...you didn't happen to ever stop and think about how stupid that sounds? I mean, "kneeling away my center"? Are you fucking serious? Does that phrase right there make any sense to anybody? Now, I suppose you could argue that grammatically it should be "kneeling away FROM my center" but...sadly, the fact is that it does not and that it actually is "giving away my center" which even goes along with the lyrics "..or justify my, GIVING away my center".
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Re: Official Lyrics
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By chance, and I mean just by chance...you didn't happen to ever stop and think about how stupid that sounds? I mean, "kneeling away my center"? Are you fucking serious? Does that phrase right there make any sense to anybody? Now, I suppose you could argue that grammatically it should be "kneeling away FROM my center" but...sadly, the fact is that it does not and that it actually is "giving away my center" which even goes along with the lyrics "..or justify my, GIVING away my center".
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ACTUALLY... I think it makes perfect metaphorical sense.
If we are talking about giving away something or some sort of penance. There's Christian/Catholic imagery in other songs on this album (and, I'd suggest this one as well). If you take kneeling in prayer to be a penance for sin, "kneeling away your sin" would make total sense. I'm not entirely sure what "kneeling away my center" means, except that it probably has something to do with prayer (which fits the previous lyrics very well I think).
"No one could justify my kneeling away my center" could be possibly paraphrased "No one could justify me giving my life to some god" (the idea in Christianity being that you have to lose your life [your center] in order to gain it).
I'm not saying it's accurate, but I think you can make a pretty good case for it in the metaphorical sense.
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I see this song as the tension in Maynard's life between his rock-star lifestyle (wants) and his spiritual center (needs, his son). Taking this view, let's consider the line:
(There's) no prize that could hold sway or justify my giving ( kneeling) away my center.
My interpretation would be that kneeling away my center is a reference to Maynard's wants, his hedonistic lifestyle, coming into conflict with his needs, his love for his son. But here he's saying that there is no prize, no sensual gratification, that could justify him kneeling away his center, his love for and need to be with his son. Kneeling in this context makes perfect sense; it basically has an identical meaning to "giving" but with a Christian inflection.
In the same way a person may kneel away his sins (asking God to absolve him of his sins), Maynard is saying that the perks of a rock-star lifestyle cannot justify the creation of a division between him and his son, or justify kneeling away his center. Treasures and flesh may be tempting, but they are not worth kneeling away his center/son for, and if ever one (wants) threatens the existence of the other (needs) he knows what choice he would make, which one he would be willing to sacrifice to save the other.
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Re: Official Lyrics
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ACTUALLY... I think it makes perfect metaphorical sense.
If we are talking about giving away something or some sort of penance. There's Christian/Catholic imagery in other songs on this album (and, I'd suggest this one as well). If you take kneeling in prayer to be a penance for sin, "kneeling away your sin" would make total sense. I'm not entirely sure what "kneeling away my center" means, except that it probably has something to do with prayer (which fits the previous lyrics very well I think).
"No one could justify my kneeling away my center" could be possibly paraphrased "No one could justify me giving my life to some god" (the idea in Christianity being that you have to lose your life [your center] in order to gain it).
I'm not saying it's accurate, but I think you can make a pretty good case for it in the metaphorical sense.
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I see this song as the tension in Maynard's life between his rock-star lifestyle (wants) and his spiritual center (needs, his son). Taking this view, let's consider the line:
(There's) no prize that could hold sway or justify my giving ( kneeling) away my center.
My interpretation would be that kneeling away my center is a reference to Maynard's wants, his hedonistic lifestyle, coming into conflict with his needs, his love for his son. But here he's saying that there is no prize, no sensual gratification, that could justify him kneeling away his center, his love for and need to be with his son. Kneeling in this context makes perfect sense; it basically has an identical meaning to "giving" but with a Christian inflection.
In the same way a person may kneel away his sins (asking God to absolve him of his sins), Maynard is saying that the perks of a rock-star lifestyle cannot justify the creation of a division between him and his son, or justify kneeling away his center. Treasures and flesh may be tempting, but they are not worth kneeling away his center/son for, and if ever one (wants) threatens the existence of the other (needs) he knows what choice he would make, which one he would be willing to sacrifice to save the other.
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ACTUALLY... I think it makes perfect metaphorical sense.
If we are talking about giving away something or some sort of penance. There's Christian/Catholic imagery in other songs on this album (and, I'd suggest this one as well). If you take kneeling in prayer to be a penance for sin, "kneeling away your sin" would make total sense. I'm not entirely sure what "kneeling away my center" means, except that it probably has something to do with prayer (which fits the previous lyrics very well I think).
"No one could justify my kneeling away my center" could be possibly paraphrased "No one could justify me giving my life to some god" (the idea in Christianity being that you have to lose your life [your center] in order to gain it).
I'm not saying it's accurate, but I think you can make a pretty good case for it in the metaphorical sense.
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Well in that case, I'll let it slide. Although I think "giving your life to god" as you say would actually be more about finding your center, not giving it away.
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Re: Official Lyrics
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ACTUALLY... I think it makes perfect metaphorical sense.
If we are talking about giving away something or some sort of penance. There's Christian/Catholic imagery in other songs on this album (and, I'd suggest this one as well). If you take kneeling in prayer to be a penance for sin, "kneeling away your sin" would make total sense. I'm not entirely sure what "kneeling away my center" means, except that it probably has something to do with prayer (which fits the previous lyrics very well I think).
"No one could justify my kneeling away my center" could be possibly paraphrased "No one could justify me giving my life to some god" (the idea in Christianity being that you have to lose your life [your center] in order to gain it).
I'm not saying it's accurate, but I think you can make a pretty good case for it in the metaphorical sense.
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Well in that case, I'll let it slide. Although I think "giving your life to god" as you say would actually be more about finding your center, not giving it away.
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10-25-2007, 09:22 AM
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I see this song as the tension in Maynard's life between his rock-star lifestyle (wants) and his spiritual center (needs, his son). Taking this view, let's consider the line:
(There's) no prize that could hold sway or justify my giving (kneeling) away my center.
My interpretation would be that kneeling away my center is a reference to Maynard's wants, his hedonistic lifestyle, coming into conflict with his needs, his love for his son. But here he's saying that there is no prize, no sensual gratification, that could justify him kneeling away his center, his love for and need to be with his son. Kneeling in this context makes perfect sense; it basically has an identical meaning to "giving" but with a Christian inflection.
In the same way a person may kneel away his sins (asking God to absolve him of his sins), Maynard is saying that the perks of a rock-star lifestyle cannot justify the creation of a division between him and his son, or justify kneeling away his center. Treasures and flesh may be tempting, but they are not worth kneeling away his center/son for, and if ever one (wants) threatens the existence of the other (needs) he knows what choice he would make, which one he would be willing to sacrifice to save the other.
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That's pretty much what I said the day the song came out. Glad to see it make sense to someone else.
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Re: Official Lyrics
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I see this song as the tension in Maynard's life between his rock-star lifestyle (wants) and his spiritual center (needs, his son). Taking this view, let's consider the line:
(There's) no prize that could hold sway or justify my giving (kneeling) away my center.
My interpretation would be that kneeling away my center is a reference to Maynard's wants, his hedonistic lifestyle, coming into conflict with his needs, his love for his son. But here he's saying that there is no prize, no sensual gratification, that could justify him kneeling away his center, his love for and need to be with his son. Kneeling in this context makes perfect sense; it basically has an identical meaning to "giving" but with a Christian inflection.
In the same way a person may kneel away his sins (asking God to absolve him of his sins), Maynard is saying that the perks of a rock-star lifestyle cannot justify the creation of a division between him and his son, or justify kneeling away his center. Treasures and flesh may be tempting, but they are not worth kneeling away his center/son for, and if ever one (wants) threatens the existence of the other (needs) he knows what choice he would make, which one he would be willing to sacrifice to save the other.
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That's pretty much what I said the day the song came out. Glad to see it make sense to someone else.
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Well in that case, I'll let it slide. Although I think "giving your life to god" as you say would actually be more about finding your center, not giving it away.
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True, but if he is unwilling to do so, he might see it as giving/being forced to give/"kneeling away" his inner-self, or "center" - WHO he is. I dunno, I'm not the biggest fan of this interpretation, but I thought it was valid and could be expounded upon.
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Re: Official Lyrics
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Well in that case, I'll let it slide. Although I think "giving your life to god" as you say would actually be more about finding your center, not giving it away.
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True, but if he is unwilling to do so, he might see it as giving/being forced to give/"kneeling away" his inner-self, or "center" - WHO he is. I dunno, I'm not the biggest fan of this interpretation, but I thought it was valid and could be expounded upon.
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ok, for the sake of arguement, i'll not write in capitals. so... if "the devil and his had him down" why, then, cannot the "benevolent son" lift him up?? wouldn't you want to think that way?? it's much more calming and realistic. it's my fav song because of what he's talking about. puts me at ease and in a good mood. we hear "devil" in songs but seems to be hard for people to comprehend using the word GOD. this is exactly why i hear what i hear. :)
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That is an interesting view. Have you ever heard APC's Gravity? Here is some of the lyrics:
I fell again
Like a baby unable to stand on my own
Tail in hand
Dizzy and clearly unable to just let this go
High and surrendering to the gravity and the unknown
Catch me heal me lift me back up to the sun
I choose to live, I choose to live, I choose to live
notice the catch me heal me lift me back up to the sun part. The Sun obviously means alot to Maynard.
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Re: Official Lyrics
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ok, for the sake of arguement, i'll not write in capitals. so... if "the devil and his had him down" why, then, cannot the "benevolent son" lift him up?? wouldn't you want to think that way?? it's much more calming and realistic. it's my fav song because of what he's talking about. puts me at ease and in a good mood. we hear "devil" in songs but seems to be hard for people to comprehend using the word GOD. this is exactly why i hear what i hear. :)
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That is an interesting view. Have you ever heard APC's Gravity? Here is some of the lyrics:
I fell again
Like a baby unable to stand on my own
Tail in hand
Dizzy and clearly unable to just let this go
High and surrendering to the gravity and the unknown
Catch me heal me lift me back up to the sun
I choose to live, I choose to live, I choose to live
notice the catch me heal me lift me back up to the sun part. The Sun obviously means alot to Maynard.
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God i love this song. Best song on the album.
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God i love this song. Best song on the album.
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I knew it was 'Silence, Legion'!
You know - Legion from the Bible
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I knew it was 'Silence, Legion'!
You know - Legion from the Bible
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Glad that got resolved, that one was bothering me a lot.
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This as well. This to me is the most beautiful line in the whole song. Even more so than the whole "breath in union" part(s).
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Glad that got resolved, that one was bothering me a lot.
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This as well. This to me is the most beautiful line in the whole song. Even more so than the whole "breath in union" part(s).
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you do know this song could very well just be about his wife right?
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yeah... that one that doesn't exist because he's not married?
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yeah... that one that doesn't exist because he's not married?
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Why do so many tool fans over think and over analyze? The meanings of all tools songs will come to you if you let them. I dont know about any of you but many many times ive listened to a tool song and suddenly rediscover it on a much higher level and its basically like an epiphany and at that moment right there you discover the meaning of tool.
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Why do so many tool fans over think and over analyze? The meanings of all tools songs will come to you if you let them. I dont know about any of you but many many times ive listened to a tool song and suddenly rediscover it on a much higher level and its basically like an epiphany and at that moment right there you discover the meaning of tool.
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yeah... that one that doesn't exist because he's not married?
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lmao....gotta love them guys. He's probably at class right now swearing up and down that the world is flat and telling his teacher he's a fool to think it's round.
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yeah... that one that doesn't exist because he's not married?
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lmao....gotta love them guys. He's probably at class right now swearing up and down that the world is flat and telling his teacher he's a fool to think it's round.
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That is an interesting view. Have you ever heard APC's Gravity? Here is some of the lyrics:
I fell again
Like a baby unable to stand on my own
Tail in hand
Dizzy and clearly unable to just let this go
High and surrendering to the gravity and the unknown
Catch me heal me lift me back up to the sun
I choose to live, I choose to live, I choose to live
notice the catch me heal me lift me back up to the sun part. The Sun obviously means alot to Maynard.
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hi. no, i've never heard that song before. i'd like to. to me, those words, right here that you wrote, feel to me, that he backslid and wants to be helped to do the right things. very nice. :)
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That is an interesting view. Have you ever heard APC's Gravity? Here is some of the lyrics:
I fell again
Like a baby unable to stand on my own
Tail in hand
Dizzy and clearly unable to just let this go
High and surrendering to the gravity and the unknown
Catch me heal me lift me back up to the sun
I choose to live, I choose to live, I choose to live
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hi. no, i've never heard that song before. i'd like to. to me, those words, right here that you wrote, feel to me, that he backslid and wants to be helped to do the right things. very nice. :) |
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lmao....gotta love them guys. He's probably at class right now swearing up and down that the world is flat and telling his teacher he's a fool to think it's round.
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hahaahahaha.
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10-29-2007, 10:41 AM
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Level 3 - Talker
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: ROCHESTER, NH
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Re: Official Lyrics
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inner_Eulogy
lmao....gotta love them guys. He's probably at class right now swearing up and down that the world is flat and telling his teacher he's a fool to think it's round.
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hahaahahaha. |
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11-04-2007, 02:17 PM
Dude... What is wrong with you people.
Now I remember why I stopped coming to this part of the opinion forums.
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11-04-2007, 02:17 PM
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formerly [i]from death we are nothing[/i]
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: USA - Earth
Posts: 2,289
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Re: Official Lyrics
Dude... What is wrong with you people.
Now I remember why I stopped coming to this part of the opinion forums.
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