good connection, although when i hear this "got your hands bound.." i just think of someone completely helpless to abuse, or someone totally controlling another human
good connection, although when i hear this "got your hands bound.." i just think of someone completely helpless to abuse, or someone totally controlling another human
maybe you can look at the whole "hands bound" notion as being forced into the prayer position.....just a thought....
i definitely agree with the idea of someone being helpless to abuse tho...
__________________ Then the lights came on, it was all a scene
Bend back, give head it's not pornography
If you do it with lights then it's art you see
If you do it with a twist
Yes, artistically
maybe you can look at the whole "hands bound" notion as being forced into the prayer position.....just a thought....
hmm... cool...
thoughts i had while i was gone...
but I'm breathing so I guess I'm still alive
even if signs seem to tell me otherwise. jesus on the cross?
There's release in this sodomy. the antichrist is homosexual
For I am your witness that
blood and flesh can be trusted. on the 60th day (of something)the antichrist turns on... someone...
Show me something
Thought I could make it end
Thought I could wash the stains away---wash your sins away?
Thought I could break the circle if I
Slipped right into your skin
So sweet was your surrender
We have become one
I have become my terror
And you my precious lamb and martyr.
Shit, Blood and Cum - these things are what we all have in common that we require to keep living. Some religions (basic and very tribal...some times canibalistic) look at those three elements as the power of life.
I agree on the religious aspect of the song. Used to have a big longwinded writeup about it here. Religous raping of sorts.
All time favorite .... got this from the tool FAQ.
F10. What's "Prison Sex" about?
At least in its most up-front interpretation, child abuse. In early interviews, Maynard apparently was quite vocal about his dislike for his stepfather, and the video supports this theory quite well. However, the autobiographical nature of this song is purely speculative. When discussing the release of "Prison Sex" as a single, Danny had this to say: "It will annoy a lot of people ... which is half the fun."
HAPPY TOOL DAY :)
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The radical religious, or any strict, fearful upbringing, is arguably a form of child abuse. It's inherited from generation to generation. Plus, religious fundamentalism is responsible for oceans of "blood" and swamps of ... well, the rape and pillage and destruction of a lot of people's lives. Thank you OP for this interpretation, gives me a whole new angle to understand the song with.
This is one of Tool's greatest songs. I agree that it makes the most sense just at face value. Someone who was abused as a child has grown up to become an abuser himself, finding its the only way to bring himself piece of mind, is to "do unto others."
By the way I love the fact that we are discussing Undertow songs here at the present moment. Personally, I don't feel qualified to comment on 10,000 Days songs for at least another decade until they sink in. Out of respect for Tool, I can't see myself posting on anything past Anima right now. Maybe in a few years I'll feel capable of commenting on Lateralus....
__________________ I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain.
God.........It's about getting fucked in the ass in prison you stupid retards.
Maynard might have well have said....have: "I'm such a gay wad/ what's entered into me? (refrain)"
He's busy you know....writing songs about monkeys and such.
Me personally, I've been fucked in prison many times. In the shower, by my cell mate (who's smaller than me....don't know how that happened....i'm a pussy)
UNDER my bed, on my bed, when I was being released: while I was walking out the gates some guy snuck up behind me and "WHAM WHAM WHAM" it was the quickest one i've had.
I've been sentenced for a D.U.I. offense. My 3rd one. When I first came to prison, I had no idea what to expect. Certainly none of this. I'm a tall white male, who unfortunately has a small amount of feminine characteristics. And very shy. These characteristics have got me raped so many times I have no more feelings physically. I have been raped by up to 5 black men and two white men at a time. I've had knifes at my head and throat. I had fought and been beat so hard that I didn't ever think I'd see straight again. One time when I refused to enter a cell, I was brutally attacked by staff and taken to segragation though I had only wanted to prevent the same and worse by not locking up with my cell mate. There is no supervision after lockdown. I was given a conduct report. I explained to the hearing officer what the issue was. He told me that off the record, He suggests I find a man I would/could willingly have sex with to prevent these things from happening. I've requested protective custody only to be denied. It is not available here. He also said there was no where to run to, and it would be best for me to accept things . . . . I probably have AIDS now. I have great difficulty raising food to my mouth from shaking after nightmares or thinking to hard on all this . . . . I've laid down without physical fight to be sodomized. To prevent so much damage in struggles, ripping and tearing. Though in not fighting, it caused my heart and spirit to be raped as well. Something I don't know if I'll ever forgive myself for. (1)
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"I have great difficulty raising food to my mouth from shaking after nightmares or thinking to hard on all this . . . . I've laid down without physical fight to be sodomized. To prevent so much damage in struggles, ripping and tearing."
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Perhaps, like the report pdf said, the point of the video/song is to show that through these hellish and awful experiences, things thought different can be revealed to be similar or the same by sharing. It must not be done. When it is, however, it acts as the great equalizer.
"To date, few studies have paid attention to males who are raped. Even so, we know that important similarities and differences exist between female and male rape victims. For both males and females the experience of being sexually victimized is traumatic"
Through this pain we can see we are alike.
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It is to show that through these bad situations the abusee can become a "better" person, rather than another antagonist. It is to show you the bad things so you can grow. Like Maynard has said at some of his concerts "take this and use it to make something positive."
"Got my hands bound and my head down and my eyes closed, are forced wide open"
It is "praying" in a way and then he sees "God" and is enlightened/free from the prison of his "waking life"
imho
And to the people that wanna point out the FAQ.... please also read the section where they said they wont spoonfeed you anything. Besides if they gave you the "right" answer to any song lyrics and what thier about, then that in itself (to me) is anti-tool because they are encouraging free thought. They arent goin to tell you "This is what this song means and your way of thinking about the song is wrong".
smooth thinking dude. i always thought it was about tying someone up and raping them. the you look so precious line i viewed as sarcasm. your idea sounds better though heh
This crazy religious dude on tv was saying
"THERES RELEASE SOMEWHERE IN THIS ROOM!
THERES RELEASE IN THIS ROOM!
THERES RELEASE SOMEWHERE IN THIS ROOM!
THERES RELEASE IN THIS ROOM!"
Hail!
all the many different interpretations of this song can be generalized under the concept of a rape, abuse, forcing, by anyone or anything desperately needing the blood of the innocent to satisfy it's inner turbulence. all the examples the free and critical thinkers have posted such as child abuse, rape, religious brainwashing and passion of Christ are examples of an abuse of anykind unto any victim. The song can mean a variety of different episodes. it all dipends on who you are and how you interpret them. for me, the music and lyrics point to child abuse ( I HAVE FOUND SOME KIND OF TEMPORARY SANITY IN THIS SHIT BLOOD AND CUM ON MY HANDS), but it is not to exclude that an oppressive religion or society is metaphorically a form of child abuse onto the free willed!
__________________ Voluptates, blanditissimae dominae, animos a virtute detorquent
truly excuse if this has little to do with the post, but i feel like mentioning it!:-)
listening to this song over and over again makes me appreciate how powerfully the impact of the abuse is narrated:
It took so long to remember just what happened.
I was so young and vestal then,
you know it hurt me,
but I'm breathing so I guess I'm still alive
even if signs seem to tell me otherwise.
Beautiful!!! So deep and moving, as most of Tool's songs. and their instrumentals are the proof that not all music needs lyrics to complete it. music is a complete language in itself!:-)
__________________ Voluptates, blanditissimae dominae, animos a virtute detorquent
1st verse narrator is being forced to endure something they don't want - literally rape, figuratively maybe Christianity. i.e. they are spoonfed religion at a very young age, and they have no way to avoid it, they are just 'forced' to be Christian.
2nd verse the narrator is living/surviving the horrible ordeal they went through (treading water, need to sleep).
3rd verse the narrator forces their own child to accept their will being imposed - literally rape, figuratively maybe being force fed Christianity. The narrator went through this ordeal, it's all they know from experience, so they recycle the feelings/emotions and force them on their own kid.
Ending - "I have found some kind of temporary sanity in this shit, blood, and cum on my hands." The narrator feels better, because s/he got to dominate their child. Just like they were dominated when they were young.
Basically a person is forced into a religion as soon as they are born, they never have a chance to develop their own thoughts. Then when they are adults, because the only thoughts on religion that they have were forced upon them by their parents/teachers/etc... they just recycle what they know onto the next generation. Perpetuating the cycle, and creating a group people that only know what they are bashed over the head with.
I just want to put this out there to everyone. If you want a good description of this song from the band themselves...go to articles and read this article:
Publication: Axcess
Date: Sometime, 1994
Click on the 1995 link and look for it there. It is an interesting article where they talk about the Prison Sex, and a little about the Sober videos.
__________________ Hesitation only leads to regret.
someone up ther said something about sodomy, and the antichrist being homosexual. .. but in my opinion, sodomy doesnt always have to come back to anything sexual.
but what the hell do i know
