I don't give a shit about the grammys and I haven't heard wolfmothers song, but in all honestly, Vicarious doesn't deserve any award. The package does, however.

Also when we're quoting maynard saying he prefers selling art over his face, why don't we spice it up a lil by linking to his puscifer store where he is selling piles of shit ridiculously over priced. I surely haven't seen wolfmother do that, heck, haven't even seen timberlake selling target shots for 100 bucks a piece. what a joke.

I cringed when I read that, especially the last part...

The Grammys does not represent the world listening public as much as it represents the effectiveness of expensive and very calculated marketing. If the world "got" whatever you're hoping them to understand, every single Tool album would sell 14 million copies, and then they'd be nominated for Best Album. As it is, they got nominated for "best hard rock performance" which is something that doesn't even get televised in the States (I don't think) It's like the Oscars they give to the sound engineers and camera crews at some hotel ballroom the night before the show, then mention in passing before the montage of dead people.

Completely agree with you. I thought I'd try a bottle of his wine, but at 80 bucks a pop I dont think so. I'm sure it tastes like any 10 dollar bottle of wine out there anyways. How ridiculous! A good way to keep the small ones away. Selfish....

haha I like your signature.

I'm 27. Saturn is about to "ascend" and I'm shitting my pants :s

Simply put, anyone that thinks that Tool is simply 'another product' is both accurate and yet deluded.

With the talent is possessed by them they could achieve more or less any level of public notoriety they choose to. The write the type of music and lyrics that they do by design, not because the studio tells them to. Like they've said on more than one occasion, eventually the studios/producers learned that they were just going to "do it their way" - they record the music they want to record. And funny enough, it's still good enough to sell millions of copies without having to be plastered all over someone's television.

They are a product. But they are their own product, not some exec's.

*falls over laughing*

Sigh, in all honesty I would have liked them to win, if for nothing else maybe from the extra 50,000 copies it would promote them selling one person that bought it would get it.

Hey man, the execs get rich, Tool gets rich, a few people start down the path towards enlightnment, and the inattentive still have a CD full of top notch music to jam out to. Everyone wins! BUY MY NEW RECORD! SEND MORE MONEY!

i love wolfmother. great band, pretty good live too. nice light music to listen too...

when the fuck did they become hard rock???

doesnt suprise me they won, they'v good music accessable to every retard... tool's music is so much better, but its too... well, for lack of a word not cliche, deep. I dont have much respect for the masses, so excuse me for my arrogance... but people are largely too thick. Cant say at all its any suprise.

Quoted for truth. I don't know why it would surprise me or bother me that Vicarious/Tool wouldn't win. It's more like confirmation that Tool is doing something right and original not meant, but hoped, for mass consumption.

Has King Crimson ever won a grammy? I honestly don't know, but seriously doubt it. I suppose I should be more surprised that Tool has ever won a Grammy.

What is a Grammy anyway? I mean, what's the signifigance? Who's voting? If record sales factored into my respect/love for a band's music, I'd be on the Michael Jackson opinion page.

Wolfmother is awesome. Tool is better, but they're sort of a band you have to get used to. Wolfmother is just hitting their prime, and they're more accessible for the next generation. But no, Wolfmother isn't metal or hard rock. Just go look on wikipedia.