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Old 12-26-2011, 08:48 PM   #81
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Really?

I gotta admit I find No Quarter a bit boring. (Saw it once live back in the day.)

But "H" would be epic.
Nah, I'd rather hear every other track off Aenima than H.
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Nah, I'd rather hear every other track off Aenima than H.
absolute blasphemy!

I'd rather hear H. than any song period. If my $90 ticket gets me a perfect performance of that song and nothing else I would honestly deem it worth my money.
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I'm not a huge fan of jimmy(maybe how hellboy feels about H I feel about it)its good and all I still listen to it but H is fanfuckintastical
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H is so good. the climax is balls-to-the-wall awesome. its heaviness contrasts beautifully with the quieter mood of the rest of the song. the lyrics are cryptic and poignant, the drumming is beautifully subtle, and a simple riff is transformed into something really magical.
You sir, need to write more song reviews.
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what is this i don't even...

H is so good. the climax is balls-to-the-wall awesome. its heaviness contrasts beautifully with the quieter mood of the rest of the song. the lyrics are cryptic and poignant, the drumming is beautifully subtle, and a simple riff is transformed into something really magical.
Yea a week ago I would have given H. an "eh" because I always forget about it. I actually listened to it a week ago and it's sooo underrated. Quite a lovely song.
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Radio City just gave me goose bumps from head to toe.

I'm surprised by how many dream setlists are so similar to what they usually play. Don't get me wrong, I love all their songs and enjoy anything they play, but if I had my choice I'd scrap every song from their recent sets in favor of hearing things they never play.
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I'd love to see H. live...but I imagine Maynard letting the crowd sing that part, ala-Vicarious. If that were the case, I'd be incredibly disappointed.

When was the last time the played it?
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The tracks I'd kill to hear on this tour (or any forthcoming one, really) that I think fall within some realm of possibility (and haven't been played recently):

-H. (dying to see this live, still haven't.)
-Disposition/Reflection (I'd love to see Triad tacked on, but they've done it with just these two and I'd be more than pleased with that and Adam's droning ending of Reflection trailing off into the Intermission)
-Pushit (granted, saw it during the 2007 tours, but whether Salival or Album version, it's pound for pound the most intense song I've seen them do. Lot of others are close of course.)
-Parabol/Parabola
-Bottom
-Undertow
-Crawl Away
-4 Degrees
-The Grudge


As much as I understand some of the swapping complaints/suggestions, I just love most of the common suggestions too much. Especially Schism. It's so great live, especially where they usually place it in the set. It's a real "gear shifting" moment to me, no matter how many times I hear it. And I don't think I could ever lose Stinkfist either.

And personally I loved the Lateralus drum offs, although I'd trade it for another song (note: just the drum off, not all of Lateralus. They could fit in an Undertow song just by nixing the drum off) most nights I guess. My favorites were always when they did it with just Danny, although all of Kinski playing it with them in Pensacola was a real fucking treat in 07. Still the best one I saw, with Tom Morello at Bonnaroo a close 2nd.

If I were to trade any of the mainstays from the 10K days tours, I would swap Vicarious for something older. Although, my enjoyment of that one live went up 10 fold when they moved it to the front of the set this last time. And I love it live, but I wouldn't lose too much sleep if Jambi was swapped. More often than not, both due to certain gadgets and it's placement at the beginning, it seems to be "Technical Difficulties: The Song." It's the song that sadly, is sacrificed to getting the mix right.

Also praying that Third Eye sticks around.

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Old 12-27-2011, 08:16 AM   #90
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dream setlist if i were to see them today.

the grudge
sober
jambi
third eye(first half)
stinkfist>
third eye (revisited)
lateralus
drt
right in two
the patient
rosetta stoned
H
4degrees
pushit
46&2

encore:
something epic from the new album
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:39 AM   #91
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i was @ that radio city show where they performed that version of H.

be jealous.
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i was @ that radio city show where they performed that version of H.

be jealous.
That version of H. is just amazing.I did get to see them play it in B-more in 02.Lost my mind when it started. It was great,not as good as the radio city one,but still amazing.And I will join in on this dream set list thing.....

Third Eye
Stinkfist
Jambi
E.B.A/The Patient
Eulogy
H.
Swamp Song
Push It
D/R/T
Intension/Right In Two
Aenma
Lateralus
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Ah, forgot to add Eulogy to my wish list. If we're talking dream setlist, who cares how long/realistic kind of business (but still somewhat realistic, i.e. they can't just play everything), mine would be something like...

Third Eye
The Grudge
Stinkfist
Eulogy
H.
(ambient jam)
Forty Six & 2
EBA/The Patient
Schism
Parabol/Parabola
Lost Keys
Rosetta Stoned
(ambient jam)
Pushit
No Quarter (or something else that's older and play it before Pushit)
<Intermission>
Disposition/Reflection/Triad
Lateralus
Aenema
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Ah, forgot to add Eulogy to my wish list. If we're talking dream setlist, who cares how long/realistic kind of business (but still somewhat realistic, i.e. they can't just play everything), mine would be something like...

Third Eye
The Grudge
Stinkfist
Eulogy
H.
(ambient jam)
Forty Six & 2
EBA/The Patient
Schism
Parabol/Parabola
Lost Keys
Rosetta Stoned
(ambient jam)
Pushit
No Quarter (or something else that's older and play it before Pushit)
<Intermission>
Disposition/Reflection/Triad
Lateralus
Aenema


what? no Maynard's Dick?
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guess who listened to H. approximately 6 times in a row today? Now I desperately wanna hear that live. For all of you guys lucky enough to have seen some of the older shows I'm curious as to how eulogy is live. Does it come across well? I assume so since everything else does, it just seems like it'd be a bit odd.
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Its pretty fuckin awesome,wish theyd bring it back
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guess who listened to H. approximately 6 times in a row today? Now I desperately wanna hear that live. For all of you guys lucky enough to have seen some of the older shows I'm curious as to how eulogy is live. Does it come across well? I assume so since everything else does, it just seems like it'd be a bit odd.
I often listen to H. for an entire day on repeat. None of their other songs even come close to me.
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I am of the opinion that pretty much every Tool song is fair game to possibly be played in an upcoming tour. Especially since they already decided to break out Third Eye.

There are only 2 songs that I can say with almost 100% certainty they will never play again:

Ticks and Leeches, due to the vocals.

Wings/10000 Days, due to the nature of the song and douchebags in the audience.
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I am of the opinion that pretty much every Tool song is fair game to possibly be played in an upcoming tour. Especially since they already decided to break out Third Eye.

There are only 2 songs that I can say with almost 100% certainty they will never play again:

Ticks and Leeches, due to the vocals.

Wings/10000 Days, due to the nature of the song and douchebags in the audience.
what about Prison Sex? would you add that to your two?
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what about Prison Sex? would you add that to your two?
No, I dont really see a reason why I would?
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I am of the opinion that pretty much every Tool song is fair game to possibly be played in an upcoming tour. Especially since they already decided to break out Third Eye.

There are only 2 songs that I can say with almost 100% certainty they will never play again:

Ticks and Leeches, due to the vocals.

Wings/10000 Days, due to the nature of the song and douchebags in the audience.
u think not even a chance of ticks huh? 100%
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I don't think Ticks & Leeches is so unlikely. Even when they performed it in the past, Maynard has used effects heavily on the track, and I don't see any reason he couldn't employ such tactics on futures tour. Indeed recent performances of Third Eye suggest Maynard is more comfortable with the idea of using effects to enhance screams.
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No, I dont really see a reason why I would?
Prison Sex, Wings for Marie/10,000 Days, Jerk-Off, Jimmy

are the songs that I believe will never be performed live again.
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what? no Maynard's Dick?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3oqFNyC8HM

Who wouldn't want to see this live? Play this instead of schism.
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can't believe you guys are leaving out right in two...epic live
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Pretty sure Wings and Prison Sex were the two Maynard explicitly said he wouldn't be doing anymore. And by that logic, you could probably throw Jimmy on the pile. But then, APC still plays Judith, right? I guess that one's less "delicate" than Wings. Crowd can't really fuck up Judith.
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Glad I got to see Wings and 10Kdays a couple times live if they never play it again. Would love to see prison sex especially the alternate one with the extra verse but I thought there was a line from Maynard in that revolver tool mag saying something about not doing it again.
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still not sure we need this to be two threads..
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On another note:

I just watched the DVD of Smashinp Pumpkins live that was included in the Siamese Dream remaster boxset..

and low and behold there is a crowd surfer with an old school Tool shirt on.

The show was recorded in 1993, so that makes that dude pretty OGT.






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Okay okay, I need input.

Would you rather:

A) See two Tool shows with mediocre seats and be broke

or

B) See one Tool show with amazing seats and have some money to spare
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Okay okay, I need input.

Would you rather:

A) See two Tool shows with mediocre seats and be broke

or

B) See one Tool show with amazing seats and have some money to spare
Option B seems the wiser choice. but I would probably do option A lol

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But the thing about Tool is, I'm perfectly okay with dismissing all logic and reason.
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See tool twice.
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Old 12-28-2011, 03:56 PM   #115
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Re: 2012 General Tool Tour Discussion *NO SPOILERS*

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Twice. (but this is TDN... what'd ya expect us to say?)
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Okay okay, I need input.

Would you rather:

A) See two Tool shows with mediocre seats and be broke

or

B) See one Tool show with amazing seats and have some money to spare
Twice. Easy decision.

Also, from my experience in the past sometimes the shows with "shitty seats" end up being more enjoyable than the ones with better seats.

Occassionaly it can be a good thing to appreciate and observe the visuals/production from a good safe distance... Vicariously.
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Good to see Tool touring again. Hopefully they decide to come to Europe again this summer...
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:24 AM   #119
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Good to see Tool touring again. Hopefully they decide to come to Europe again this summer...
I hope not. I think at this stage almost everyone would prefer they just recording the fucking album...

And I think that we'll probably see Tool hit the studio in May/June.
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Old 12-29-2011, 09:24 AM   #120
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Twice. Easy decision.

Also, from my experience in the past sometimes the shows with "shitty seats" end up being more enjoyable than the ones with better seats.

Occassionaly it can be a good thing to appreciate and observe the visuals/production from a good safe distance... Vicariously.
I'm going to go the other way and say one epic show. Probably because my show count is getting up there and the shows don't vary much any more.
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