you guys are fucking obnoxious sometimes....fackin 'ell
1. For Lateralus.....Tool toured from May 2001 until December 2002. With a few breaks in between. So I dont know where the hell you get this "3 years" BS from. Just because Adam makes some off-hand remark about 3 years with ISIS doesnt make it certain. I would love Jenna Jamison to blow me for "8 months" straight, doesnt mean it is going to happen for even a day. Danny could say "I would totally want to drum with Led Zeppelin for a year, doesnt mean its going to happen even once.
2. Sonnyboy.....Why would I want to see Tool play material from Aenima? Hmm....because its my favorite album of all time, most Tool fans regard it as their masterpiece and I've never seen most the best songs on it performed live, thats why you fucking moron. "10,000 Days" might be brilliant to you, but its bloody boring and overbloated and uninteresting to a lot of us, sorry, deal with it. Regardless of the nice, respectful attitude a lot of the more polite fans are taking towards the new material. 90% of the people on this forum would rather hear Eulogy or Third Eye live rather than anything of the new record. Go listen to Salival right now, listen to Third Eye live.....and I'm sorry but to compare hearing that absolute ungodly good tune live compared to fuckin Right in Two or Jambi...is laughable. You can ballwash the band's ideals or convince yourself that hearing the 10,000 Days material would be better but.......its just a funny notion to me.
3. Slicknick, I know you are like a 19 year old n00b, but dude....if you actually read those Lateralus tour setlists like many of us did, you know....not much is going to change. Sure there were changes in 2001 - 2002. But when they did occasionally crack out H, Eulogy, Third Eye, Prison Sex, Undertow, Swamp Song, Triad....it was certainly not with any degree of consistency. Face it....we are going to get the same setlist, probably with Wings...probably Opiate, and maybe, if you are lucky one of those older songs you love. More likely to hear something else from Lateralus than stuff from Aenima and Undertow. Maybe.
3. People want to hear the older material because an entire group of Tool fans are constantly discovering the band, I found them in 1999....and I missed the prime of the Aenima stuff being played, just as new fans on the Aenima tour wished they had caught more Undertow stuff, and just like some new fans now hope they can see Disposition/Reflection. Sure....its the shitty hand that is dealt to fans, but most touring rock bands of the size of Tool, who have such a big and very loved catalog like Tool's concede that to blow your audiences brains out you might have to deviate and play a fewolder tunes that will blow the audience away. Tool might now "owe" it to their fans to play Third Eye, but I'm certainly sure they realize that it would make any number of new fans....day, year, etc just to hear that tune, and they probably won't play it anyways. They are dicks like that, they might not owe it to their fans, but I think they owe it to their music. Because albums as brilliant as Lateralus and Aenima shouldnt basically fade into memories (ie...just hearing them on CD) because its the bands perogative to just showcase tunes they can play a video with (ie. the singles) and the new material.
well said but i went to 9 shows during the lateralus tour, indiana, chicago, vegas, moline, cedar rapids, milwaukee, chicago again, kalamazoo, and the last show of the tour in long beach cali, and i've heard most of the songs you have named. the key is to go to as many shows as you can. you really meat alot of people who do the same thing. i've been saving my money and now is my time to start travelling see you at the show.....................but i also saw them at ozz fest 98(1rst tool show) and the mini tour this year in chicago(best show i've ever seen). i also have tickets to minn, chicago and i just booked my vegas flight for this year, but u do have some good points. hope to meat some new true fans thease next couple years
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You wouldn't have gotten floor tickets anyway. I stood in line for 4+ hours at the venue before they went on sale, was second in line, and still got screwed out of the GA tix.
That happened to me when I bought tickets for Tool in 2002. Fourth in line and I got near noseblood seats.
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It better be easy to get tickets to Vegas, because as of right now they are catering to the rich ONLY through ticketbastard. If you have an AmEx Blue card, you can get seats now. Up to 6. So in other words, fuck the fans. Let the rich people who have massive credit card limits buy up all the tix first, so the fans once again get fucked over. Great job guys! The Vegas venue is a fucking joke. A parking lot 3 blocks from the airport so all you hear is screaming planes overhead, and a presale catering to rich people. Wow.
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I just wanted to find out the general opinion here, especially from some of the concert veterans around here...
Is ticket scalping becoming a bigger problem these days, or does it just seem that way because TOOL has gotten to be insanely popular and is drawing a lot more attention (and money) than in years past?
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I just wanted to find out the general opinion here, especially from some of the concert veterans around here...
Is ticket scalping becoming a bigger problem these days, or does it just seem that way because TOOL has gotten to be insanely popular and is drawing a lot more attention (and money) than in years past?
People just like to Bitch more these days. Thats all.
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No, people just get ripped off more. There are more ticket broker agencies in the world nowadays, because they know if you throw a little money the way of the show promoter or whoever, you can get tickets that will sell out and charge fans 3-10x the face value and BAM you just made a shitload of cash. I remember there used to be 1 place in my hometown that didn't even rape you that bad. Now there are probably 10 or so. So yes, it's getting much worse, BUT, only for the shows that will sell out. Nobody's going to dish out 4x face value for a show they can get on Ticketmaster themselves.
If it's guaranteed to sell out, you're guaranteed to find tix through a broker at an insane price. Especially the more popular towns.
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People just like to Bitch more these days. Thats all.
Maybe people in general DO like to bitch more these days, but that has abso-fucking-lutely NOTHING to do with my perception of things... and I think it's become more of a problem.
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That's explain why I got shitty seats even though I log on at exactly 10 am on Ticketmaster and within less than 2 minute got seat level 404. What a bunch of bullshit.
I think Ticket master should be held accountable for this or the whole industry should just shut down. It's just unfair.
I don't want to sign on some Fanclub just for ticket either.
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That's explain why I got shitty seats even though I log on at exactly 10 am on Ticketmaster and within less than 2 minute got seat level 404. What a bunch of bullshit.
I think Ticket master should be held accountable for this or the whole industry should just shut down. It's just unfair.
I don't want to sign on some Fanclub just for ticket either.
i signed up and still i dont have access to presale or to win tickets nothing its all a scam. i hear "rumors" that tool is supplying brokers evrything is making me want to scream and burn shit. i just hope i can just get vegas tickets and i'll be happy fuck the fanclub!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Any reason the band is apparantly avoiding any venues in the southeast United States? While I was hoping for a show in Louisville or Lexington, KY, Nashville, Memphis, Indianapolis, or Cincinnatti would have been reasonable trips to take to see a show or two. As of now, I'd need to take out a small loan for gas to get to the nearest confirmed show; only to see them with shit seats (broker and scalper issue). No thanks.
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They'll be around. Don't worry. In '02 they did two US tours. The second tour pretty much hit every city that they DIDN'T hit the first time. I wouldn't worry about them coming to your area... I'd worry about the ticket availability once they do.
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i signed up and still i dont have access to presale or to win tickets nothing its all a scam. i hear "rumors" that tool is supplying brokers evrything is making me want to scream and burn shit. i just hope i can just get vegas tickets and i'll be happy fuck the fanclub!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree...no presales, no nothing. I ended up going tru ticketbastard and even though i was in it from the start refreshing, all i got was damn nosebleeds for the Vegas show...and I'm coming from FL...makes me almost not wanna go. Like someone menitoned, of course, there were people selling them on ebay 2 days before they went on sale, so obviously by the time general public sale went on, there was shit left.
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They'll be around. Don't worry. In '02 they did two US tours. The second tour pretty much hit every city that they DIDN'T hit the first time. I wouldn't worry about them coming to your area... I'd worry about the ticket availability once they do.
I'm worried about both. I'm in Florida and pretty pissed that there's nothing even close to me. And even if they do add a SE date I'm guessing I'm gonna have to go the eBay route to even get a ticket. I'm prepared to use college loan money for this shit.
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I admit that it's odd that they don't have any dates in the SE yet, but I'm sure they're not going to completely neglect this part of the country. Why would they come through and play smaller cities like Baton Rouge, Biloxi, and Beaumont on one tour, and then completely skip a whole region on another. I'm sure they'll be around, maybe after the New Year.
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Scalping is a MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger problem now. It used to be ticket broakers(scalpers) that would have lots of good tickets, and although the prices were high, its a deal compared to how much they sell for now. With the internet came many more websites of these scalpers, meaning even more people buying them before the public can, or at the very least, buying them up when they go on sale. Not to mention the invention of fleabay, where anyone can become a scalper. You could live in Maine, and buy up a section of seats for a cali show just to make some money now. The internet has spawned scalping companys 100 fold, not to mention you're everyday ebay seller. I think all auction sites should make it illegal for anything more than face value, or at least set a limit, like 20$ over face TOPS. Sure there will still be websites and scalpers, but this would help curb the problem more than can be said.Ebay is just a monster. A monster with a BIG DICK that fucks us straight up our assholes. Even if you dont buy anything off it, its preventing you from getting good seats at a reasonable price. And when tickets are now 70 a pop..with a million charges added on, that just drives up scalping prices that much more.
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Not sticking up for scalpers but hear me out. If people got off there back side when tickets went on sale they would not have to buy from scalpers. And I think the problem is everybody sitting in front of a P.C. ten mins before 10 for a hard ticket and thinking there going to get one thru that avenue keep dreaming. The only way to stop it is don't buy from them. Which goes back to people paying for the fact that they slacked on getting tickets. I'm sure the fix is in when it comes to good tickets going to the scalpers 1st just don't buy them. Supply, Demand. And for us that care about a scene sometimes that means eating crow going to the lot and hoping we get in which I have done for a couple of shows in my short time on this planet. This time around for these shows there are tickets all over the place check craigslist for any cities there playing tons of tickets for face. Even this board is full of KIND people, thank you for my Oakland floor at face if you read this.
To keep rambling hear just a bit, I scored front row aa in Oakland in May through ticketbastard so yes real fans got good seats. I planned from the time they said the onsale date on how to get the tickets and set my mind to it and got the tickets. The only part that was luck but I feel it was more Karma was what seats I got not the fact I got tickets. They could of said toilet seats and I would of been happy.
You make your own realty and if you think about scalpers that's the only way they can exsit.
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i agree on not buying from scalpers as a solution (as you shouldn't buy fur in order to stop the slaughter on furry animals), but you can't deny that Ebay and other auctionsites increased this problem. (In the Netherlands there is one with less restrictions and less registration for sellers, so even worse.)
So, first of all Ebay / similar sites have to become more strict in this. If scalpers can't find a online marketplace, it becomes less profitable for them to buy tickets.
I saw Tool in May here in Detroit. I am seeing them again in September here in Detroit. So far from San Diego to Fresno, NO SETLIST change? COME ON! where is more Opiate, Undertow, Aenima? They spent the entire Summer in Europe tuning up to come back and play the same shit? I am NOT happy about it! Let see if Japan and Hawaii bring some change of mind?
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I live in Alaska and just bought tickets to the show on 10/7 at the Continental Arena in East Rutherford, NJ.
If not for Ticketmaster this simply would not have been possible. The tickets I got were in Section 5, Row A and I was so happy to get them that I about dropped the phone, losing it all.
If I can get good tickets, anyone should be able to (at least I think they're good tickets; good enough for me to fly 10,000 miles across the country to use them). All I did, since I've never used Ticketmaster before, was I had my computer logged in to the Ticketmaster website, constantly refreshing, and then about 15 minutes before tickets went on sale, a friend advised me to also use their automated phone service at the same time, and I'm glad I did. at 9:58 (5:58 a.m. my time) I was spamming refresh on my computer and spamming calls to Ticketmaster, having pre-planned what keys I had to press to get to the Tool concert I wanted.
The tickets I purchased was through the phone not the website. Like many others, after waiting 10+ minutes on the website, having clicked the tickets I wanted the second they became available, it told me that there were no Floor tickets available.
However, the phone system worked much better and I was able to get the tickets I mentioned earlier. Morale of the story; use the phone, not the website (or use both), and DONT DROP THE PHONE like I almost did, ruining it all. :)
The common-sense approach to combating scalpers is to simply not buy from them. If nobody buys from them...then....they lose.
If I had enough money I would have bought 6 tickets and sold the other 4 on here for face value, but I'm afraid I don't have that much liquid assets at the moment. ;)
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I LOVE Tool's music, and have for the past ten years...my first experience was H on the radio when I was 15...now that's a GREAT memory :) BUT with all of the financial grubbery (scalpers as well as scalpers called "brokers") , and more importantly the band's unwillingness to take action --a presale is NOT complicated.. I repeat: a simple presale for your little fans who relentlessly, tenaciously, loyally, and monetarily kiss your egomaniacal ass is not fucking complicated -- , combined with the absolutely BIZARRE habit of playing the same setlist every fucking show (for the dumb-ass who invariably responds to this complaint with "don't look at the reviews"...right...am I also supposed to clear my memory after every show I attend so I'm ignorant to the monotony every time I hand over my $$$??) Oh, what's that? stop paying and stop going??? Well, that's precisely what I'm getting at. If I see the same fucking setlist one more time on Sept. 18, while navigating the crowd of neanderthals in the super turbo mega arena (and it's looking promising) I think I will have seen my last Tool show. I can sit at home and watch my collection of bootlegs, which frankly is much more rewarding at this point anyway (thank JHC that all those brave tapers ignored that egotistical little shit, Maynard, and recorded the good shows before it all went South.) I mean to make no objectively oriented judgment here...just sharing my thoughts and attitudes for the basic sake of communication.
Can I get an amen, or maybe even a fuck you?
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The common-sense approach to combating scalpers is to simply not buy from them. If nobody buys from them...then....they lose.
I don't mean to be rude, but that's simplistic and ridiculous in my humble little mind.. that was Maynard's commentary on the official site as well, and I'm thinking "hmmm, he just spent nearly 15 years begging people to open their minds, and now he's coming at us with this bureaucratic idea concerning scalping.... breaking a complex situation down to a simple, narrow-sighted response aimed at calming all the little people down and evading well-warranted public agitation, which only exists because HE (Keenan) set the bar where it is, while ignoring the complexities, and indeed the real essence of the problem; effectively engaging in the same authoritarian mind-control bullshit he's been whining about all this time????!!!!?????" oh.
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So i have been hearing that the setlist has not changed since the warmup small venue tour back in late spring...is this true? I mean we all know hoe talented and how much they care about their music...that setlist was only an hour and a half and didnt even include wings for marie 1 & 2...i think i will be very dissapointed when i see them here in cleveland if the setlist hasnt changed.
I agree! I saw the Spring tour show here in Detroit. Where is more Opiate, UNDERTOW, Aenima? Where is Intolerance, Hooker With A Penis, Ticks & Leeches? This commercial friendly thing they have going on right now isn't all that cool. I mean the show in the Spring was great but where is the imagination? If I were in a big band like that I would make sure we would always do a deeper cut and blow the fans face off! at least 1! Give them something to talk about on the way home. I hope they change it as well. I already have tickets to the Palace Sept. 22 and can't wait but I am hoping for some change!
Is it just me or doesn't it seem like they put way more money and effort into the Lateralus Tour? at least to this point.
