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06-05-2006, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimmeny
That part is at 7mins, it's just bass and drums for a bit then one of Adams sustained solos.

Basically, what is happening in this section is that there are 2 times rotating. The kick drum (right foot) is hitting a 5/16 (I suppose you could call it a 5/8 but it's really a composite of 5/16) and over the top is a 6/8. The 6/8 is made up of the left foot closing the hi-hat ever crotchet, the left hand hitting the snare every 3 crotchets, and the right hand doing double and paradiddles on some synths. Later on the grudge sample comes in to tap the same crotchets as the foot is doing.

This part is quite easy for drummers who have done work with rotating time signatures before. I'm a guitarist by trade but I have done alot of composition with time signature techniques like Tool, Meshuggah and Mnemic.

I can do 3 limbs right now, I can do the right foot hitting the 5/8 riff, I can do the left foot tapping crotchets, and I can do the left hand hitting the snare every 3. But I'll be fucked if I can work out the rhythm of a paradiddle just on the right hand over all this.

The technique for playing something like this is not to think of it in it's constituent parts, but to feel the syncopation of the entire sequence. At first, it does need to be broken down into the different parts, but only to learn the syncopations. As the limbs get put together, it's important not to try and think of the right foot as doing 5/8, but to hear it as part of a larger round of syncopation in 6/8.

For the record I would not say this part is harder than the end of the Grudge, because I can't play that bit at all, it's just an all round drumathon, whereas this is a stringent and technical use of syncopation.
i am in the same boat with this song

the kick / snare part was tough to get the last few beats down

* * * * *
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

_ = kick

* = snare

to play that alone is complex

now add the quarter to the left foot.. ouch.. that was like trying to get the kick / high hat down for reflection (only way harder)

reflection was

* * * * <--- High Hat
* * * * <--- Kick

all of that under the tom beat.. (or so i play it, as i dont have all the simmons equipment)

either way, as far as difficulty is concerned, id say
1. Rosetta Stoned
2. The Grudge
3. Lateralus
4. Pushit (live)
5. Third Eye (live... trust me, its way different)
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Re: Hardest Song to play on drums?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmeny
That part is at 7mins, it's just bass and drums for a bit then one of Adams sustained solos.

Basically, what is happening in this section is that there are 2 times rotating. The kick drum (right foot) is hitting a 5/16 (I suppose you could call it a 5/8 but it's really a composite of 5/16) and over the top is a 6/8. The 6/8 is made up of the left foot closing the hi-hat ever crotchet, the left hand hitting the snare every 3 crotchets, and the right hand doing double and paradiddles on some synths. Later on the grudge sample comes in to tap the same crotchets as the foot is doing.

This part is quite easy for drummers who have done work with rotating time signatures before. I'm a guitarist by trade but I have done alot of composition with time signature techniques like Tool, Meshuggah and Mnemic.

I can do 3 limbs right now, I can do the right foot hitting the 5/8 riff, I can do the left foot tapping crotchets, and I can do the left hand hitting the snare every 3. But I'll be fucked if I can work out the rhythm of a paradiddle just on the right hand over all this.

The technique for playing something like this is not to think of it in it's constituent parts, but to feel the syncopation of the entire sequence. At first, it does need to be broken down into the different parts, but only to learn the syncopations. As the limbs get put together, it's important not to try and think of the right foot as doing 5/8, but to hear it as part of a larger round of syncopation in 6/8.

For the record I would not say this part is harder than the end of the Grudge, because I can't play that bit at all, it's just an all round drumathon, whereas this is a stringent and technical use of syncopation.
i am in the same boat with this song

the kick / snare part was tough to get the last few beats down

* * * * *
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

_ = kick

* = snare

to play that alone is complex

now add the quarter to the left foot.. ouch.. that was like trying to get the kick / high hat down for reflection (only way harder)

reflection was

* * * * <--- High Hat
* * * * <--- Kick

all of that under the tom beat.. (or so i play it, as i dont have all the simmons equipment)

either way, as far as difficulty is concerned, id say
1. Rosetta Stoned
2. The Grudge
3. Lateralus
4. Pushit (live)
5. Third Eye (live... trust me, its way different)
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