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frosty nugs
07-19-2009, 08:28 PM

Honestly, as a musician, I think playing a show "for the fans" is the highest form of selling out. We make music to express and please ourselves. If others like it, they can purchase it. But just because they do so doesn't mean we owe them jack shit. We didn't make the songs for them, we made them for us, to express our feelings. Therefore we should have the right to play whatever the hell we want to, whenever the hell we want to. If we feel like playing the same setlist as before, we will, and the fans have no right to complain. We're not jukeboxes or top 40 radio stations, we are musicians.

Even if we want to play our music just for the sake of making money, we still owe nothing to the fans. they can choose on their own free will whether or not to attend the show we're putting on. There were no promises of a different setlist ever, and only every indication by crew members such as junior that this tour would be more of the same with a few tweaks here and there. Tool has found a show that they feel wraps up their current state of mind well, and preaches the message they want to put across to the people. They should not have to change that just because a few diehards want to hear some shit from 15 years ago that we may or may not even care to play anymore. As I said, they can choose to come to the show if they like. They do not have to spend the money.

If a band were to say "new songs, new set, etc", and then deliver the same old setlist, that's a bit different, but in every way this tour was presented as an extension of the previous one, with little time to do things like rehearse a new setlist. Tool songs are amazingly complex and quite difficult to play as a band, and so sticking to the same setlist only makes sense considering most of the members have been very busy up to days before the tour was scheduled to begin. There simply was not enough time to rehearse doing a new setlist, not enough time for junior to rig up a whole new lighting experience, not enough time for a NEW tour. That can come after the release of the new album. For now, take this for what it actually is. An extension of the 10k days tour.

Also keep in mind, it isn't just about rehearsing old songs. Tool often (like we see with schism, lateralus, and stinkfist lately) changes up their songs live, so those changes need to be written and well rehearsed so they don't fuck up every time they try to present them to you. Also, Tool's stage production must also be created to accompany their music, and there just wasn't enough time to render new video for the screens, rig a new light/laser show, and so on for a new setlist. That is why they HAD to stick to the one they already had prepared for the last tour. There just wasn't enough time to create a new tour, so quit expecting one.

Last edited by frosty nugs; 07-19-2009 at 08:35 PM..
Old 07-19-2009, 08:28 PM   #25
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Re: 07.18.09 - Denver, CO @ Mile High Fest

Honestly, as a musician, I think playing a show "for the fans" is the highest form of selling out. We make music to express and please ourselves. If others like it, they can purchase it. But just because they do so doesn't mean we owe them jack shit. We didn't make the songs for them, we made them for us, to express our feelings. Therefore we should have the right to play whatever the hell we want to, whenever the hell we want to. If we feel like playing the same setlist as before, we will, and the fans have no right to complain. We're not jukeboxes or top 40 radio stations, we are musicians.

Even if we want to play our music just for the sake of making money, we still owe nothing to the fans. they can choose on their own free will whether or not to attend the show we're putting on. There were no promises of a different setlist ever, and only every indication by crew members such as junior that this tour would be more of the same with a few tweaks here and there. Tool has found a show that they feel wraps up their current state of mind well, and preaches the message they want to put across to the people. They should not have to change that just because a few diehards want to hear some shit from 15 years ago that we may or may not even care to play anymore. As I said, they can choose to come to the show if they like. They do not have to spend the money.

If a band were to say "new songs, new set, etc", and then deliver the same old setlist, that's a bit different, but in every way this tour was presented as an extension of the previous one, with little time to do things like rehearse a new setlist. Tool songs are amazingly complex and quite difficult to play as a band, and so sticking to the same setlist only makes sense considering most of the members have been very busy up to days before the tour was scheduled to begin. There simply was not enough time to rehearse doing a new setlist, not enough time for junior to rig up a whole new lighting experience, not enough time for a NEW tour. That can come after the release of the new album. For now, take this for what it actually is. An extension of the 10k days tour.

Also keep in mind, it isn't just about rehearsing old songs. Tool often (like we see with schism, lateralus, and stinkfist lately) changes up their songs live, so those changes need to be written and well rehearsed so they don't fuck up every time they try to present them to you. Also, Tool's stage production must also be created to accompany their music, and there just wasn't enough time to render new video for the screens, rig a new light/laser show, and so on for a new setlist. That is why they HAD to stick to the one they already had prepared for the last tour. There just wasn't enough time to create a new tour, so quit expecting one.

Last edited by frosty nugs; 07-19-2009 at 08:35 PM..
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