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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Indiana
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Re: yet another unity conciusness reference
- you will realise we are not just on a course to die and be wiped out of existence, we are eternal, forever concious.
Chris, I don't mean to knock your interpretation of the song or shit on your worldview, but have you ever considered just how much that belief caters to what you would like to be true? I mean, it seems that the basic idea is simply the denial of death. That's not profound. And why should we live forever? Why should the universe perfectly match what we would like to be true? That is the idea I have a problem with: That the universe exists for us, that we are central.
Now all of that may be what Maynard is saying I don't know but I'm just voicing my own ideas. And then there is that question of epistimology. You "realize" these truths--what does that mean? It seems that if we play that game there is no limit to the number of truths we would have, all coming from peoples independent "realizations". In fact this is very much what we have with religions the world over throughout human history--how do you go about distinguishing the true ones from the false ones? (they cannot all be true of course)
The forever concious part actually scares me. I've given some thought to what it would be like to be concious forever, literally without end and I've got to say it does not seem like the wonderful gift it is cracked up to be--I would not want to be concious forever, but, of course, what I would want is not what is and I may have no choice in the matter, I don't know.
All I'm saying is that I think it is better to face the world as we know it to be at its base than to belief things that we are not justified in believing because they make us feel good. We do know that we will die--you and I--we know that and what we don't know is whether or not the personality somehow survives that death--anyone who says that they do know it is lying, either to themselves or to you. I actually think it is sad that most people really think that they cannot face life w/o beliveing that they will never die--What inexhaustible pettiness and egotism! Just remember that even that if life became totally empty if there were no life after death that still would say nothing about the truth or falsity of that metaphysical proposition.
I'm sorry this has turned into something of a rant. Anyhow, keep listening to Tool and deriving your own meanings.
Last edited by whatscomingthroughisalive; 03-29-2007 at 07:50 PM..
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