So when can we expect the "The Pot" DVD Video Single?

[Arbortool]

I love the "Vicarious" Video and I can't wait till the "The Pot" Video.

[Omar Rodriguez-Mopez]

2012.

[Aganar]

I'd much prefer a Rosetta Stoned video...

[Omar Rodriguez-Mopez]

Yea well I wanted a Lateralus video. Tough luck buddy.

[Dr.Styles]

We all wanted a Lateralus video. The talk about TOOL making a movie makes me dream...

[Arbortool]

haha.

Seriously I bet you AJ will come up with something amazing. He never dissapoints.

[fnshmetal]

Yea well I wanted a Lateralus video. Tough luck buddy.

Lateralus didn't need a video. Your brain makes its own.

[lemonlateralus]

He disappointed pretty fucking hard by agreeing to those Schism and Parabola DVD singles

And with his playing on 10000 Days, aka "Tool, the first 10 years rearranged"

shut up..if you arent a fan of 10,000 days tool, then listen to undertow/aenima tool.its just a different style after all.

[lemonlateralus]

well there arent a lot of riffs one can make with dropped d...:P

[devils_advokate]

Lateralus didn't need a video. Your brain makes its own.

i agree with that!!

[dancingflame]

this is useless to the max

[nellyson25]

where can i find information on this "the pot dvd" you guys claim to think they will make next

[slamminsalmon]

I love the "Vicarious" Video and I can't wait till the "The Pot" Video.

nvr

[#Notion]

No, it's the exact same style rehashed, which is exactly my point.

Learn to read.

Any riff or notes that can be paralleled to previous work from tool is overly obvious and intentional.

The only person who would call this type of interconnectivity between musical themes "rehashed" is a pretentious moron. A pretentious moron who's excited that for the first time he can hear third eye while listening to rosetta and wants to smear it on his ego. Dig a little deeper fuck head

[Once we were kings]

it will probably be released in mid 2008m hopefully. i dont know if its going to be animated or just regular. maybe they come up with a whole new idea...

btw, all the talk about jambi being the 3rd single. is that true?

[fnshmetal]

Get over yourself. They could have expanded but instead they stuck to the same old tired riffs instead of continuing to evolve like they had been. Unless you were in the studio, you don't know shit about whether it was intentional or not.

Tool are not gods, dickhead.


Or, you know, half the people who listened to the album and realized that Adam is playing the same altered pentatonic scale he's been using since H., on songs that don't even connect to each others' meaning.


This doesn't even make sense.

You, sir, are an embarassment to the community.

Music is about emotion buddy not trivial guitar techniques.

[Carny_Handles]

it will probably be released in mid 2008m hopefully. i dont know if its going to be animated or just regular. maybe they come up with a whole new idea...

btw, all the talk about jambi being the 3rd single. is that true?

its been the third single for years.

[abrown]

It sounds to me like all you want to do is bitch about something you don't know jack shit about. Why don't you pick up a guitar and play some of these songs that you say are rehashed and then play the song that you think they are being rearranged from.

Or better yet why don't you show me a riff that is from an older song.

[joeburo]

Get over yourself. They could have expanded but instead they stuck to the same old tired riffs instead of continuing to evolve like they had been. Unless you were in the studio, you don't know shit about whether it was intentional or not.

Tool are not gods, dickhead.


Or, you know, half the people who listened to the album and realized that Adam is playing the same altered pentatonic scale he's been using since H., on songs that don't even connect to each others' meaning.


This doesn't even make sense.

You, sir, are an embarassment to the community.

HAHA^

Agree with you, but still think it's a good album. Haven't listened to any other more often, and there was certainly a period of three of four listens when I was thinking, "WOW, what an album." And to an extent, that's still true. Of their whole catalog, this definately offers the most detail, and is most deserving of a 5.1 mix. That being said, I always get the feeling, when listening, that they're overplaying just about every song, particularly when I go back and listen to Lateralus, where their playing at times (especially Danny) is so delightfully "anti-rock". By contrast, "bloated" is often the word that comes to mind when I listen to 10,000 days. This feeling is at its greatest extreme during the last 1-2 mins of Rosetta Stoned, drawing a sharp contrast to "Intension", probably the strongest track on the album. So, in a sense, the album's greatest strength (its richness) also happens to be its greatest weakness. Which explains why the band feels this is their strongest effort musically and the fans appear to be so divided on it.

[M00N]

Or better yet why don't you show me a riff that is from an older song.

I agree, I think people hear an underlying theme to Adams style. But as a musician that does play a lot of tool, each song really has its own "fingerprint". Adam is very creative with his style, along with the rest of them for that matter.

[Porn]

Who the hell cares? Why do people get so excited over images put over music we've already heard? Give me a live DVD and I'll get excited.

[DON IOTAE]

2012.

/thread plz lock

[Idiotica]

Here's an idea - maybe they could release a live performance vid of 'The Pot' as a teaser for the forthcoming LIVE DVD.

[ButIForgotMyPen]

Who the fuck knows what they'll do, but one things for sure, what ever is released they know we will go run out and buy as soon as we got the money to do so. They got us wrapped around there fingers, but i love it! Can't get enough of it, like a fuckin drug!

[mungbuddy]

I would rather see a Jambi video then anything else.

[abrown]

Okay: opening of Vicarious directly quotes the main riff of the first few verses of H. Same notes, same direction for the call of each phrase.

Aer you fucking kidding me? Not even close. For someone who claims that they can play all the Tool songs except for Third Eye you just made yourself look like a total moron. Different notes, different rythm, different tempo.

you = moron

[stevejols]

Music is about emotion buddy not trivial guitar techniques.

Yeah it is about both dim-shit. Sure emotion whatever, you can't play the fucking song unless you detune the low E string a step though, jackass

PS

Jones shit does sound kinda the same... i still like it, the new stuff too. Wings guitar playing owns!

[Idiotica]

i think they really need to step it up for the next album. They seem to be in a comfort zone as far as the music goes - still good songs but they are looking back instead of pushing forward IMO.

[thezeusanator]

hey Rivek, there are only 12 notes that we can hear (excluding the "out of tune" ones in between and octaves) period. So Adam using a D5 chord over a Db or D altered dominat or whatever being an issue for you is silly becuase he does so much with it, the feeling is different for each song and it is placed differently in each song, so he is being creative. Third Eye in RS makes sense being they are both about psychedelics and anyway it sounds different. I think that for him to play the same riff and it sound fresh is pretty creative. However, I do agree that 10k Days is no lateralus but still and amazing work and I think Alex Grey likes it too(going on the Vicarious documentary) so there. Hate me if you want.

Happy New Year

[Khastra_KSC]

He disappointed pretty fucking hard by agreeing to those Schism and Parabola DVD singles

And with his playing on 10000 Days, aka "Tool, the first 10 years rearranged"

Ummm.... I don't know if you're a geetar player.... But I am.

AJ uses a similar structure in alot of TOOL stuff, I guess. Opiate/Undertow are, as far as the geetar goes, very similar. I kinda wonder if some of the 10,000 Days material is older stuff that they finally got around to... Or maybe not. Point is, most, if not all, geetar players have a style. T00L has also only released 5 ALBUMS. Not many compared to other bands. Seeing as they are still selling out shows and cd stores, I say that if the formula ain't broke, don't fix it. I think AJ is a unique player and I enjoy the dynamic he brings to the band.

Doesn't really matter. T00L has yet to release a cd that disappoints me. And how so Vicarious and Jambi and Wings For Marie 1&2 AND Right in Two sound like re-hashed T00L? I am curious...

[Dez 46&2]

if tool makes a video, it will be good. simply put.

[StoneyB]

There are some Tool videos that grab more attention than others, but all of their videos are creative and have had numerous hours of work and dedication put into them. I'm not sure Tool cares about how impressed their fans are by the video, but I do think they care about how well the video represents the music.

[AcidRain]

There are some Tool videos that grab more attention than others, but all of their videos are creative and have had numerous hours of work and dedication put into them. I'm not sure Tool cares about how impressed their fans are by the video, but I do think they care about how well the video represents the music.

I think you’re wrong. I mean Tool does care if there fans like their videos. After all it’s our money they want. Just because there music and videos are a breath of fresh air compared to most of the other shit spewed out by the record company doesn’t mean they don’t love making money from it.

[StoneyB]

That's a good point, otherwise why would they be selling their videos individually. I do think they put a lot of thought into their videos though, and as the forum goes to show, they will never be able to please everybody.

[AcidRain]

I couldn't agree with you more

[lachrymoIogy]

2012, after the world ends.

[M00N]

Lateralus didn't need a video. Your brain makes its own.

That is exactly what made Lateralus an Epic. The flow was unbeleivable... Forever my favorite album of all time.

I cant remember where i saw it, or heard it, or even if im making it up my my own head... but i think "wings for marie/10,000 days" was maybe going to be a single (obviously not radio friendly) but probably for video purposes... regardless... im completely excited another 10,000 days video, Vicarious caught me off gaurd at first, but now i think i really understand where thier taking themselves. So now im just excited to see a flow in this albums videos... (schism and parabola styles matched, sober and prison sex did as well)

anyway, Thanks tool!

[5th Eye]

That's a good point, otherwise why would they be selling their videos individually.

Because they know people like you buy them, thus making them more money.

[Rubb.]

febuary 24, 2008

[Zosimos]

Id just like a full album movies/music video(kinda pink floydish but different)...theres nothing like having the visuals to enhance the music...im not saying that the music isnt just as good by itself, but if your with a group of people the visuals help the "others" get "it".

[Zosimos]

That's a good point, otherwise why would they be selling their videos individually. I do think they put a lot of thought into their videos though, and as the forum goes to show, they will never be able to please everybody.

Your right, I wish "fans" would be more faithful and loyal and just appriciate the fact that a band like Tool exsists.

[Zosimos]

Get over yourself. They could have expanded but instead they stuck to the same old tired riffs instead of continuing to evolve like they had been. Unless you were in the studio, you don't know shit about whether it was intentional or not.

Tool are not gods, dickhead.


Or, you know, half the people who listened to the album and realized that Adam is playing the same altered pentatonic scale he's been using since H., on songs that don't even connect to each others' meaning.


This doesn't even make sense.

You, sir, are an embarassment to the community.

your really attacking people for their ideas? Maybe your the dickhead, the music ,for me anyways, is a tool that i use to help deal with the pressures of daily living, to each is their own, but whats the point of sitting behind your comp bashing other people...get off you high horse and come chill with the rest of us who are grounded and using this tool to break away from all this repetitive bull-shit...have a good one

[will see you auntie]

I think adams playing...or underplaying his parts, allowing the bass or drums take center stage instead while laying down a percussive groove on his les paul is exactly what makes tools music so special, original, and great.

[Zosimos]

We all wanted a Lateralus video. The talk about TOOL making a movie makes me dream...

I have wanted this forever..just a full length visual enhancer..not that the music itself isnt suffiecient but something more along the lines of the wall not the concept just the use of an entire album put to imagery.

[Zosimos]

I think adams playing...or underplaying his parts, allowing the bass or drums take center stage instead while laying down a percussive groove on his les paul is exactly what makes tools music so special, original, and great.

each piece is very vital to the sound that is being produced. i agree with you, cant have one without the other

[subtlefury]

Lateralus didn't need a video. Your brain makes its own.

that's true, but i'd still have loved to see what Adam and Alex's brains would come up with

[wiz035]

Is it just me or does anyone else find music videos boring? Granted Tool's videos are much more creative and look brilliant visually, but after seeing them once i really don't need to see it aain.

[Yast3r]

Is it just me or does anyone else find music videos boring? Granted Tool's videos are much more creative and look brilliant visually, but after seeing them once i really don't need to see it aain.

I'm the opposite. I will watch them all about once a month and detect small subtle things that I hadn't quite captured on prior viewings. I always try and interpret what I'm seeing or the relevance to the songs and it always seems like a fresh experience. I love my Tool video's... but I think I buy them just so that my collection looks bloated full of awesome.

[Yast3r]

Why thank you. I am a bit of a consumer whore, I'll gladly admit it.

[Yast3r]

And how!

I'm thinking of running around with a cape around a Wal-Mart store as I buy any merchandise with a popular logo on it. I'm still trying to decide on which one, but I'm leaning towards Nike. That little swoosh just does it for me every time.

[Rolo]

JUST DO THIS (http://spiritribe4.free.fr/Spiritribe4/Photo/FURYFEST-2005/Tattoo-itw/H2O-Tattoos/Toby/Hamer-H2O06.JPG)

[Rolo]

The dude is the leadsinger of hardcore band H2O.
"Beer & Water" refers to their tour they did with Murphy's Law.

[Rolo]

It doesn't.

It's just another type of music, which you happen to dislike. It triggers other emotions or another side of one's character, for that matter. Don't like it? Cool. But it doesn't suck...

[Rolo]

I remember some time ago, you posted that you liked Slipknot for ventilating aggression. The way you discribe hardcore also reminds me of them in a way. As for the drummerpart, that goes the same for the grindcore you seem to like as well.

Really, i agree it's not the most intelligent form of music. But still there are alot out there who don't really fit your prescription and are quite enjoyable. When i read the above i think you're reffering to more metalcore related bands like Integrity (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSCbyKLHTHg). Personally i prefer the more oldschool Sick Of It All (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RkyxNa2W9o) sort of hardcore.

But again you don't have to like it. I do. You probably like things i don't enjoy at all.

Peace!

[5th Eye]

No, really. Hardcore requires nothing more than a clutch of fastpicked drop-d powerchords, a drummer who doesn't really hold a beat with anything but double bass as he kinda does random fills on all his other pieces, and a singer who just screams about nothing. If a bassist is present they're usually playing an even easier version of what the guitar is playing. It sucks.

holy shit, you know what band this reminds me of??


hint: it begins with "t"

[Rolo]

The Police?

[dxs]

Get over yourself. They could have expanded but instead they stuck to the same old tired riffs instead of continuing to evolve like they had been. Unless you were in the studio, you don't know shit about whether it was intentional or not.

For one, you wouldn't know that yourself, so don't act like you're Mr. High and Mighty, Rivek.

Or, you know, half the people who listened to the album and realized that Adam is playing the same altered pentatonic scale he's been using since H., on songs that don't even connect to each others' meaning.

Second, if you are idiotic enough to think that, you should just go read Paraflux's post about 10,000 Days and it might just open your eyes to your bigotic beliefs.


You, sir, are an embarassment to the community.


The irony kills.

[setvak]

The Police?

Dude, that's what I've been thinking too! I love the breakdown in Synchronicity II, I actually broke my car stereo from cranking up the volume and thrashing around.

But seriously...I realize that this is from over a month ago, but Rivek, are you arguing that Adam has been regurgitating his style just really in 10,000 Days, or that he's been keeping to generally the same style throughout? I'm a fellow guitar player, but I guess a drummer mainly (only over a year on the former and without lessons, but I've been drumming for about six).

And I should probably add that in my opinion, Tool is one of the fewer heavier bands I've listened to that places a much larger focus on the rhythmic and vocal sections.

[ufopancakes]

the whole of recorded music history begs to differ.

And you DO realize that Dropped-d only changes the note of one string? One whole step DOWN in fact. It actually slightly INCREASES the tonal range of a guitar.

Stop talking like you know anything about music. The fact is, the guitar is in standard for the maximum reach of different notes as well as the ability to play in the most different styles and tones. This is common knowledge among MUSICIANS.

[Inquiring Minds]

He disappointed pretty fucking hard by agreeing to those Schism and Parabola DVD singles

And with his playing on 10000 Days, aka "Tool, the first 10 years rearranged"

First of all, I like the dvd single idea. Their videos are never played on TV, and I had never even seen the complete version of Parabola until the dvd came out (the version I saw was edited down to 5 minutes - blasphemy!). What did you want? Another all inclusive, limited, expensive, hard to find box set? I payed only 10 dollars a piece for Schism, Parabola, and Vicarious - maybe the single idea was made to serve the fans (and tide people over for new material - Salival did this for Lateralus, Schism/Parabola did this for 10,000 Days, and Vicarious is doing this for whatever new album comes out).

Secondly, its funny you mention AJ and his "nostalgic" guitar playing. He employs a few new techniques never used by Tool before - ummm, the TALK BOX in Jambi? Also, Right in Two was written back in the Opiate days - I've heard the original version and its MUCH heavier. Wings for Marie and 10,000 days sounds nothing like anything they've done before, even compared to slow burners like Disposition/Reflection/Triad. Rosetta Stoned....well jesus, thats different! The Pot stands up to Tool's best and has some great bass playing. In fact, the only one that sounds a little rehashed/subpar is Vicarious - the intro seems to reference Lateralus a lot, the lyrx aren't as good, and Maynards voice sounds scratchy - I will say tho that the message of the song is quite relevant for the time, and the video is great.

[5th Eye]

Also, Right in Two was written back in the Opiate days - I've heard the original version and its MUCH heavier.

orly

[setvak]

Also, Right in Two was written back in the Opiate days - I've heard the original version and its MUCH heavier.

It also bears more than a passing resemblance to the version of Pushit found on Salival.

[5th Eye]

No, it's not. It's actually the same open-3rd position-5th position shit for most of the song that was already done on, oh, I dunno, half of Undertow to say the least.

qft, because I tabbed out rosetta stone back in the day. it IS a lot of elementary pentatonic bull.

[5th Eye]

anytime bro

[5th Eye]

it's almost done, actually. it'll be out next week or the week after. thanks for asking

[ufopancakes]

Way to totally miss what I was saying and go on another topic entirely, dipshit.

the lowest note on a standard-tuned guitar is an E. The lowest note on a Drop-D tuned guitar is the D one whole note below that E. Therefore, there are an extra two half-steps. Therefore the tonal range of the instrument is increased by a full note.

This is common knowledge among ANYONE WITH A FUCKING BRAIN.

The way and place you said it made it sound like you can hit MORE notes, and that it gives you an advantage... when it doesn't. Yes, the tonal range is increased, but that doesn't mean shit, becuase your hands reach for a variety of notes is constrained by tuning the string down... So it really hinders your ability to play over a range of styles and notes... which made your argument totally invalid.


Its especially difficult to take someone seriously when they make an outrageous claim that they can play along with the entire lateralus CD on bass after two days.

[dxs]

Not necessarily. It's a lot easier to play certain types of chords in dropped-D, and single-note runs with the D fretted somewhere as a pedal tone are made easier. Besides which, look at the guy I was originally talking with when this argument was brought up. I'm seriously doubtful of the fact that he meant the same as you do when he made an excuse for the small amount of riffs handed out.

Did I neglect to mention that when I say two days, I literally mean that's pretty much all I did for two days?

I also knew how to play the songs on guitar already, which was a big help. You guys act like it's impossible to put in hard work on something one enjoys.

Haha, I normally tune things on Drop-D for that very reason. Even though sometimes its good to tune to natural to get that harmony that can't always be done with the Drop-D tuning.

What kind of guitar do you have?

[Buddie]

Hi Mr. Saget.

[Carny_Handles]

what the hell does this thread have to do with the pot dvd?

IN BEFORE THE BIN YO@!