RATED FIFTH BEST DRUM SOLO IN ROCK SONG

[miketh74]

As I'm sure most drummers are aware.....this song was rated #5 for best drum solo in a rock song. This song isn't just great for the drumming alone, but I believe it's a flashback to Undertow. It has that same raw emotion.

Another interesting note is that Dan Carey has been quoted as saying that if he had a weakness on drums, it would be his double kick ability. Funny, but I wonder if he was joking when I listen to this tune. His double kick ability is simply tight. Any other thoughts?

[Hodge]

nice
what were the top 4?

[miketh74]

nice
what were the top 4?

Good question.

I know one of the 4 is Bonham's Moby Dick. Not sure about the other 3. I'll get back to you on that.

[Tool_Is_Sick]

I love the man above me.

[Tool_Is_Sick]

LOL, bottom

Fake Edit: Shit adds up at said bottom

I am not understanding your last comment. Can you please explain. typo? "shit adds up at SAID bottom?? Am i missing something?

[miketh74]

The drumming on Ticks & Leeches is fucking tight, but seriously, if they were going to choose a solo by Danny they should've picked the end of Lateralus or Forty Six & 2.

Oh I agree, but seriously....the whole second half of Ticks & Leeches is a drum solo. IMO, the creativity of it is a little more complicated than the 46 & 2 solo. I'd have to agree that 46 & 2 is a better song all around, though.

[miketh74]

The ending of The Grudge should be #1 IMO. Best solo by DC .

[the_milkman]

The ending of The Grudge should be #1 IMO. Best solo by DC .

agreed

[Ghostwriter]

There's also some crazy drumming in Faaip De Oiad!

[miketh74]

There's also some crazy drumming in Faaip De Oiad!

I don't think there's a drummer out there that utilizes his kit better than DC. Every song has it's own "fingerprint".

I don't think DC has his own particular style....other than hitting hard and tight in odd time signatures. He seems to cover a lot of different styles in his playing. After all, he has a huge list of influences when it comes to the drums.

Now that I think of it, I take that back. He does have the style of being one of the only drummers to make the snare sound good with snares off. My favorite with snares off has to be Schism. It just fits the whole mood of the song and accents Justin's bass line perfectly. One of my favorites by far.

DC's snares off drumming is definitely a signature in most of Tool's music.

[the_milkman]

i think the way he carries his momentum and uses expression with different sounding cymbals is his best quality.

[Eulogy33]

yea, i agree....should have been lateralus.

[miketh74]

Anyone hear the new Pigmy Love Circus DC plays on?

[miketh74]

i think the way he carries his momentum and uses expression with different sounding cymbals is his best quality.

Indeed......great point. He has a lot of momentum as huge as he is.

[miketh74]

I can't seem to locate what the other top 3 songs were......

Sorry Hodge.

[TurdEye13]

nice
what were the top 4?


Moby Dick - John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)
Toad - Ginger Baker (Cream)
21st Century Schizoid Man - Michael Giles (King Crimson)

[SilverGrudge]

The ending of The Grudge should be #1 IMO. Best solo by DC .

amen....the ending of the grudge is by far (or atleast imo) the craziest chaotic masterpiece he's ever done behind the kit. everytime i hear him go off at the end of that song i get fucking chills....FUCKING CHILLS

[the_milkman]

amen....the ending of the grudge is by far (or atleast imo) the craziest chaotic masterpiece he's ever done behind the kit. everytime i hear him go off at the end of that song i get fucking chills....FUCKING CHILLS

lolz

[miketh74]

Moby Dick - John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)
Toad - Ginger Baker (Cream)
21st Century Schizoid Man - Michael Giles (King Crimson)

Interesting.....

I haven't heard the Mike Giles one. I'll give that a listen. We're still missing one though. I'm guessing it's a Neil Peart solo......maybe.

[miketh74]

amen....the ending of the grudge is by far (or atleast imo) the craziest chaotic masterpiece he's ever done behind the kit. everytime i hear him go off at the end of that song i get fucking chills....FUCKING CHILLS

AMEN to that. Agree to the tenth degree.

[SilverGrudge]

AMEN to that. Agree to the tenth degree.

lol

[dancingflame]

:)

could it be that danny is the only "active" drummer in this list???

[miketh74]

:)

could it be that danny is the only "active" drummer in this list???

Good point....

Still need the 4th best though and I'm still lookin'.

>/

[Blackwing17]

Where is this rating even coming from?

[miketh74]

Where is this rating even coming from?

It came from Modern Drummer magazine.

[miketh74]

Wish they would have mentioned the other 4. Would've been interesting to see what company they threw DC in with.

[miketh74]

Neil Peart couldn't carry DC's drum sticks....and I'm a Rush fan.....go figure

Can't argue with that. Maybe back in the day Peart could've been close with him, but DC hits way harder and still keeps the accuracy and tightness. Not to mention his odd time changes.

Ya, you're right. Can't carry DC's sticks....LOL.

[miketh74]

And watching DC play.....I bet he goes through a lot of lumber.

[eapatty01]

moby dick isn't even that great. Bonham is overated IMO

[miketh74]

moby dick isn't even that great. Bonham is overated IMO

Watch the LZ DVD and you might change your mind.

http://drummerworld.com/Videos/JohnBonhammobidick.html

Just a piece of it.

[A Tad Bit Catatonic]

#4 gotta be Neil Peart.

I agree with you guys, he can't touch Danny, but definitely better than Giles on 21st Schizoid.

Probably YYZ.

Neil seems to have lost it after having had his wife and daughter both die on him in the same year. Sad story that dude has.

Gotta admit he's pretty good for a Canadian, haha...

Since they seem to be going for classic rock - longshot could be Mitch Mitchell.

[A Tad Bit Catatonic]

moby dick isn't even that great. Bonham is overated IMO

He had finesse, and was able to do alot with a little. Something to be said for that at times. My opinion.

[A Tad Bit Catatonic]

yea, i agree....should have been lateralus.

Yeah, this whole thing is sort of ridiculous. Ticks and leeches is a great song (drumwise), but then again most every Tool song is. Come on, they could have done better.

[miketh74]

#4 gotta be Neil Peart.

I agree with you guys, he can't touch Danny, but definitely better than Giles on 21st Schizoid.

Probably YYZ.

Neil seems to have lost it after having had his wife and daughter both die on him in the same year. Sad story that dude has.

Gotta admit he's pretty good for a Canadian, haha...

Since they seem to be going for classic rock - longshot could be Mitch Mitchell.

Quite possible.

[miketh74]

Yeah, this whole thing is sort of ridiculous. Ticks and leeches is a great song (drumwise), but then again most every Tool song is. Come on, they could have done better.

^ AGREED ^ (except for Intension)

[Schema]

#4 gotta be Neil Peart.

I agree with you guys, he can't touch Danny, but definitely better than Giles on 21st Schizoid.

Probably YYZ.

Neil seems to have lost it after having had his wife and daughter both die on him in the same year. Sad story that dude has.

Gotta admit he's pretty good for a Canadian, haha...

Since they seem to be going for classic rock - longshot could be Mitch Mitchell.

Out of all the non-Tool songs I listen to that could probably pull a "top drumming" award, Bozzio's "Black Page" nails it. Hirst's performance on "Bedlam Bridge" is pretty good at times, too, but it lacks solos, and this asks for a solo.

[Rolo]

I seriously like the drumsolo-battle on "divorced". It's done by Danny Carey & Dale Crover (Melvins), right?

[miketh74]

I seriously like the drumsolo-battle on "divorced". It's done by Danny Carey & Dale Crover (Melvins), right?

Way better than the Mike Portnoy vs. Dan Carey drum-off.

[inSin]

Where is this list of solo's? Iv'e always liked 46n2/Lateralus better.. but oh well

[Rolo]

Where is this list of solo's? Iv'e always liked 46n2/Lateralus better.. but oh well

Lateralus (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=GKidSVPGLFE)

One of my favorite Youtube vids. Danny rocks!

[taxi_driver]

^ I think a link is in order...

[Schema]

indeed, I'd like to disparage this list

Yes, I'd like to see this list, as well. I'd say that Midnight Oil's "Power and the Passion" drum solo can whup the fuck out of most famous drum solos. I'd imagine that at least three of the top four are famous, "movers-and-shakers" bullshit that is of abhorrent quality and had no function other than being early examples of studio-recorded drum solos.

[burning bridges]

A song that seems to be overlooked is 10,000 Days. His cymbal work on that song is fucking amazing.

[Schema]

Which is always sad, when the top of the list of "best whatever" is not a display of true talent in the area, but a display of early talent in the area.

It's truly disgusting. These lists would probably make more sense if they were made by monkeys.

[gjamison27]

As I'm sure most drummers are aware.....this song was rated #5 for best drum solo in a rock song. This song isn't just great for the drumming alone, but I believe it's a flashback to Undertow. It has that same raw emotion.

Another interesting note is that Dan Carey has been quoted as saying that if he had a weakness on drums, it would be his double kick ability. Funny, but I wonder if he was joking when I listen to this tune. His double kick ability is simply tight. Any other thoughts?

His saying that was in reference to the double-kick techniques of the likes of Dave Lombardo and the speed metal guys. The drummer from Slipknot, etc. These guys roll double bass through an entire album and as Danny said, it really is a different ball game.

[#Notion]

I was wondering if people were going to bring up the lack of intelligence of the list or just let the good words for DC keep going. I'd rather let it go, and just talk about the finer points of dan's drum.

[gjamison27]

I just read that Danny was rated the #1 Drummer of all time for his varied style, his toyt like a tiger technique, and his utter creativity in rythym creation.

[Schema]

I was wondering if people were going to bring up the lack of intelligence of the list or just let the good words for DC keep going. I'd rather let it go, and just talk about the finer points of dan's drum.

But it's more fun to bitch about the list...

[#Notion]

I must be overbitched :O

And I honestly agree with the greatest drummer of all time thing. Even if that was by an idiot too.

[gjamison27]

When did I reach idiot status?

[taxi_driver]

*still waits for link*

[Rod]

Watch the LZ DVD and you might change your mind.

http://drummerworld.com/Videos/JohnBonhammobidick.html

Just a piece of it.

Best. Thanks for that. He was legendary for his prolonged solos at shows and who solo's without sticks?

This guy's #4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8aGlOj2VFo

[taxi_driver]

thank you. thank you very much for that link.

[gjamison27]

Dude, just look at the shit you post half the time.

I looked and the evidence leans more toward 1/8 of the time...

[taxi_driver]

I support mathematical precision.

[Inner_Eulogy]

LMAO

[Inner_Eulogy]

Are we so sure that it's precision?

I can't be fucked to actually figure out the numbers myself

Yeah, that stays within Maynard's wet dreams about you

[gjamison27]

Ok, ok!

This makes 181 total posts and a portion of which counts towards my idiocy rate. Which leaves us with:

127 Posts of viable, intelligent, and purely genious content.

31.4 Posts of sarcastic, intentional misinformation aimed at poking fun at and/or attempting to make others aware of their own ingnorance and stupidity.

22.6 Posts of completely irrelevant, nonsensical, and wasteful posts provided solely due to boredom and/or the stupidity and ignorance of others.

[Inner_Eulogy]

Ok, ok!

This makes 181 total posts and a portion of which counts towards my idiocy rate. Which leaves us with:

127 Posts of somewhat viable content.

31.4 Posts of sarcastic, intentional misinformation aimed at poking fun at and/or attempting to make others aware of their own ingnorance and stupidity.

22.6 Posts of completely irrelevant, nonsensical, and wasteful posts provided solely due to boredom and/or the stupidity and ignorance of others.

/fixed.....

[taxi_driver]

Ok, ok!

This makes 181 total posts and a portion of which counts towards my idiocy rate. Which leaves us with:

127 Posts of viable, intelligent, and purely genious content.

31.4 Posts of sarcastic, intentional misinformation aimed at poking fun at and/or attempting to make others aware of their own ingnorance and stupidity.

22.6 Posts of completely irrelevant, nonsensical, and wasteful posts provided solely due to boredom and/or the stupidity and ignorance of others.

it's a trap! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics)

edit: ergo, your idiocy rate is through the roof, bro

[Inner_Eulogy]

it's a trap! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics)

edit: ergo, your idiocy rate is through the roof, bro

That's hilarious, good stuff

[gjamison27]

Well...like....duh....

[taxi_driver]

D;

[Schema]

Best. Thanks for that. He was legendary for his prolonged solos at shows and who solo's without sticks?

This guy's #4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8aGlOj2VFo

Live John Bonham solos kick ass. The studio Moby Dick solo? Not AS badass.

[Rolo]

Ok, ok!

This makes 182 total posts and a portion of which counts towards my idiocy rate. Which leaves us with:

127 Posts of viable, intelligent, and purely genious content.

31.4 Posts of sarcastic, intentional misinformation aimed at poking fun at and/or attempting to make others aware of their own ingnorance and stupidity.

22.6 Posts of completely irrelevant, nonsensical, and wasteful posts provided solely due to boredom and/or the stupidity and ignorance of others.

1 Post to explain my posting behaviour and make a complete ass of myself on a Tool forum.Fixed.

[gjamison27]

Oh STOP! ***blush***

[Inner_Eulogy]

Rolling this around in my head for a bit, I officially take back things I've said about jamison. Well okay, he can be a bit of an idiot, but he's a fun idiot.

Haha, he/she's on the fence with me. Can sometimes be cool and other times feels the need to stick her 2cents in where it doesn't belong...like backing up Ginazjuice.

My friend, if I toss a stone and you see a ripple best not to disrupt the wave as it comes.

[Rolo]

I heard another Texan say once that he was winning a war too. I believe it was in...uhm...Iraq? LOL

[gjamison27]

Haha, he/she's on the fence with me. Can sometimes be cool and other times feels the need to stick her 2cents in where it doesn't belong...like backing up Ginazjuice.

My friend, if I toss a stone and you see a ripple best not to disrupt the wave as it comes.

It's just that sometimes I am part of your wave disrupting that which crosses its path, and other times I am that which is disrupted by your wave.

I see though that I am accepted only when part of your wave, which is typical of human nature.

You're ok in my book even when I don't agree with you though.

Interesting too that my gender is indeterminable. Never really thought about that...

[Inner_Eulogy]

It's just that sometimes I am part of your wave disrupting that which crosses its path, and other times I am that which is disrupted by your wave.

I see though that I am accepted only when part of your wave, which is typical of human nature.

You're ok in my book even when I don't agree with you though.

Interesting too that my gender is indeterminable. Never really thought about that...

I hear ya', it is better to be a shrimp amongst the plankton than a whale on the beach...whatever the fuck that means

Well, I'm guessing female only because you seem to be on the somewhat sensitive side, but then again PATD has his panties in a bunch too...lol, maybe he's just a trannie

[gjamison27]

I believe the sensitivity has been over estimated...or maybe not...

I could be the second coming of christ and be genderless...

Either way, my kingdom is not of this world...

[Schema]

Rolling this around in my head for a bit, I officially take back things I've said about jamison. Well okay, he can be a bit of an idiot, but he's a fun idiot.

We're all idiots once in a while.

[Inner_Eulogy]

Post-op imo

Not sure what that means

[gjamison27]

It means he's an idiot...sometimes...

[Inner_Eulogy]

It means he's an idiot...sometimes...

Yur kiddin' <goes back to shuckin corncobs>

[gjamison27]

Where exactly are these "solos" everyones talking about?

[Schema]

Where exactly are these "solos" everyones talking about?

Apparently it's... like, the first one bar of the song?

[gjamison27]

Hmmm...I guess I'll have to go back and listen really closely...

[Rolo]

Where exactly are these "solos" everyones talking about?

You can only heard them on the vinyl release, when played backwards. It goes really well with the hidden satanic messages.

!"TUO LARIPS"

[Rolo]

Rolo, quit misleading the guy.

The solos can only be heard by those who got one of the first 1,000 copies of Lateralus that were pressed.

Who's misleading who? lol

[gjamison27]

I feel so mislead...

[Schema]

Hmmm...I guess I'll have to go back and listen really closely...

I never thought that four bars of the same rhythm repeated counted as a solo proper, but I guess he's playing drums by himself...

I'm sure it would be more badass if it were on more 'tribal'-sounding instruments and was longer.

[gjamison27]

I think you guys missed the sarcasm...

[apocalypse_sow]

next to cotton candy, my favoirite foods of all times is peanut butter.

[gjamison27]

Peanut butter is a single food. What are your other favorite "foods"?

[apocalypse_sow]

tortoises

[gjamison27]

Ah! Haven't tried them yet. Taste like chicken?

[caruthers]

i can't wait until the world stops ranking and counting things. fuck, who gives a shit if it's 5th best, i love the song, having weighed and considered its qualities, and have decided to listen to it more often.
that's fucking it.
all this "i'm the number 1 ____ in the world.", "_____ is the number 1 _____ in the world." only perpetuates the divisions between living things. Danny Carrey can only be such an awesome drummer because of what has come before him. we can only ever build on what is. occasionally, we will find a system is no longer valid, so it didintegrates from society. see: horse and buggy.
so, before we go too far down this "5th best" road, how about we all give humanity a pat on the back for getting this far, sit down and d-d-d-do something with the new creations.
how about we do something like that?

[gjamison27]

That is the 3rd best post on this entire thread!

[taxi_driver]

That is the 3rd best post on this entire thread!

lol.

wow... a lot of banning going on.

[Inner_Eulogy]

I don't really go after people with dissimilar opinions per se; you'll notice I'm not attacking you for your opinion of Carey. I just tend to go after people who spout the pseudo-mystical bullshit, or have based their opinions on completely incorrect evidence, or just plain make asses of themselves.

It's somewhat of a hobby, if you will; I use my verbal skills here to keep my wits sharp so that they're always on point in real life.

Sharp as a ball I say, sharp as a ball

[Inner_Eulogy]

"Tribal"-sounding instruments?

You mean toms?

Man, it saddens me how little people around here know about the things they try to discuss...

That's why you never hear me discuss instruments...lol I'm clueless about it.

[Rolo]

"Tribal"-sounding instruments?TOOL BLOODY TOOL!

[Inner_Eulogy]

Ouch. Nice subtle burn there.

Haha, just fuckin' with ya'

[Inner_Eulogy]

TOOL BLOODY TOOL!

Huh?

[taxi_driver]

TOOOOOOOOL, bloody TOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Rolo]

Huh?

LOL @ tribal drums + Tool (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYhx5tWw9Yc)

[TurdEye13]

TOOOOOOOOL, bloody TOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

nice avatar

[Rolo]

nice avatar

There's a recent outbreak of "Sagetitis" going on here at the Albums.
Watch out it's contagious!

[taxi_driver]

nice avatar

why thank you for noticing the nice pink background.

[johnnyq 451]

IMO there's much better material than ticks and leeches. While it is an amazing piece, I feel that Lateralus and 46&2 were much better because he could still show off his technical skill, but he could still balance it within the band and not put himself in the spotlight. But if we're going by pure technical skill then they should of mentioned the stinkfist add on he does.

stinkfist:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eRaxQeirgWk

[Misanthrope]

He's not that good.

[miketh74]

Been a while since I visited this thread, but oh well.

For those wondering, the list came from Modern Drummer magazine. If you go to Danny's website, you'll find it under "media" along with all the other articles with him featured.

I totally agree that the list is bogus. I can think of at least 50 solos better than the ones on it (except for Bonham's Moby Dick). The fact remains that this list was indeed voted on by the subscribers of Modern Drummer. I'm sure the list would be substantially different if the vote was taken among a broader audience. I just thought that DC making the list was significant due to the limited numbers. Is it accurate? Hell, fuck no. At least 20 of the 50 that rank better (IMO) come from percussionists that play with symphonies and such.

However, I'm always willing to check out new material by any drummer in any genre of music.

[Misanthrope]

At least 20 of the 50 that rank better (IMO) come from percussionists that play with symphonies and such. They're not rock solos then, are they?

And yes, this list is complete garbage filled with pop-rock wank.

[Misanthrope]

Opinions are like assholes...

I think I will pay more attention to my own ear and that of other professional musicians like well um Lenny White, John Bonham, Robert Fripp, Thomas Haake, etc etc etc.. all of which have stated on numerous occassions that Danny Carey is one the better drummers around at the moment.

But I digress and well as I said opinions are like assholes... John Bonham said Danny Carey is one of the better drummers around? lol.

And those musicians have no idea what they're talking about.

[miketh74]

They're not rock solos then, are they?

And yes, this list is complete garbage filled with pop-rock wank.

I never said it wasn't.

As far as the 20 out of 50, that's just reference to drum solos in general. I wasn't referring to just rock. I've seen local drummers perform kick ass solos. I'll even toot my own horn and throw down a decent solo.

[dsl]

I don't think there's a drummer out there that utilizes his kit better than DC. Every song has it's own "fingerprint".


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