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Theres No Love in Fear
03-26-2007, 08:04 PM
This may not be a very intelligent interpretation, but doesn't it seem like an Anti-vegitarian song?

"Life feeds on life..." and "Tomorrow is harvest day and to them...It Is The Holocaust!"

It seems like their making fun at all the pro-animal rights groups by making a mock pro-plant's rights song? lol

either that or im retarded (a high possibility)

Alex in Chains
03-27-2007, 08:09 AM
I've always gotten a similar impression. It's probably more complicated, but I think part of the point is to show that life comprises more than just animals, and that vegans and the likes of PETA are hypocrites.

eataduck
03-27-2007, 11:15 AM
I think this is more about making fun of hardcore religious people and some of the wacky shit they belive.

not that it matters,but im a vegitarian and a member of PETA
check out PETA.com:)

hushypushy
03-27-2007, 01:30 PM
I always got kind of a joke vibe from this song...in other words, what they're talking about is such bullshit that it becomes ridiculous ("let the rabbits wear glasses!"). Watch the videos of them in the studio, they show Maynard in the room where they recorded that and he's saying some pretty ridiculous shit.

author of bible
03-27-2007, 07:54 PM
the effects..
some of them sound like gunshots...
some like sound of chains..
sums up to be shooting chained or harnessed carrots
he he he he...
(no offenses meant)

hobbitcore
05-23-2007, 06:08 AM
My ideal is "a return to the garden of Eden where even the animals are
vegetarian."
-Andrea Reed, Louisville Fund for Animals
(_Lexington_Herald_, 1990)

* * *

The smallest form of life, even an ant or a clam, is equal to a human
being.
-Ingrid Newkirk, PETA

* * *

Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler
chickens will die this year in slaughter houses.
-Ingrid Newkirk (PETA)
(_Washington_Post_, Nov 13, 1983)

* * *

We feel animals have the same rights as a retarded human child.
-Alex Pacheco (PETA)
(_New_York_Times_, Jan 14, 1989)


* * *

Never buy wool again. Choose only cotton, synthetics and other non-animal
fibers. The sheep are embarrassed when they are shorn, sometimes they are
nicked during the process, and they get cold afterward.
(_PETA_News_, August 13, 1989)

* * *

Pet ownership is an "absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human
manipulation."
-Ingrid Newkirk, PETA
(_Washingtonian_Magazine_, August 1986)


* * *

If the death of one rat cured all diseases, it wouldn't make any
difference to me.
-Chris Derose, founder and director of Last Chance for Animals

* * *

The liberation of animal life can only be achieved through the radical
transformation of human consciousness and the overthrow of the existing
power structure.
-Transpecies Unlimited
(_Readers_Digest_, June 1990)


* * *

Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are "acceptable crimes"
when used for the animals' cause.
-Alex Pacheco (PETA)
(_Charleston,_W._VA_Gazette-Mail_, Jan 15, 1989)


* * *

The optimum human population of earth is zero.
-Dave Foreman, Earth First!

* * *

The human race could go extinct and I for one would not shed any tears.
-Dave Foreman, Earth First!

* * *

Q: What would happen...you have a child...the child is dying of diabetes.
It needs an insulin injection. The only way to get it is from a lamb. Do
you kill the lamb in order to get the insulin so you can save the child,
or do you let the child die?

A: Well, I...would not even for my self...or for...I would not knowingly
have an animal hurt for me or my children, or anything else.
-Cleveland Amory, Fund for Animals
(_Larry_King_Show_, October 29, 1987)

* * *

Even if animal tests produced a cure for AIDS, "We'd be against it."
-Ingrid Newkirk, PETA
(_Washington_Post_, May 30, 1989)

* * *

"Animal liberationists do not separate out the human animal, so there is
no rational basis for saying that a human being has special rights. A rat
is a pig is a dog is a boy. They're all mammals."
Ingrid Newkirk - Founder, PETA
As quoted in Vogue, September, 1989

* * *

"The life of an ant and the life of my child should be granted equal
consideration."
Michael Fox - Vice President, HSUS

* * *

"Humans have grown like cancer. We're the biggest blight on the face of
the planet."
Ingrid Newkirk - Founder, PETA
Reader's Digest, June, 1990

* * *

"I am not a morose person but I would rather not be here. I don't have any
reverence for life, only for the entities themselves. I would rather see a
blank space where I am. This will sound like fruitcake stuff again, but at
least I wouldn't be harming anything."
Ingrid Newkirk - Founder, PETA
Washington Post, November 13, 1983

* * *

"Probably everything we do is a publicity stunt...We are not here to
gather members, to please, to placate, to make friends. We're here to hold
the radical line."
Ingrid Newkirk - Founder, PETA
USA Today, September 3, 1991

* * *

"Even painless research is fascism, supremacism, because the act of
confinement is traumatizing in itself."
Ingrid Newkirk - Founder, PETA
Washington Magazine, August, 1986

* * *

"It (animal research) is immoral even if it is essential."
Ingrid Newkirk - Founder, PETA
Washington Post, May 30, 1989

"Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought on by human
manipulation."
Ingrid Newkirk - Founder, PETA
Washington Magazine, August 1986

* * *

"One day we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals.
(Dogs) would pursue their natural lives in the wild...They would have full
lives, not waiting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet
them and then sit there and watch TV."
Ingrid Newkirk - Founder, PETA
"Where Would We Be Without Animals?, Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990

* * *

"...Eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return
to a more symbiotic relationship, enjoyment at a distance."
Ingrid Newkirk - Founder, PETA
Harpers, August, 1988

* * *

"We have a lazy, sick society. People bring diseases on themselves.
[People should] avoid getting the disease in the first place."
Dan Mathews - PETA spokesperson
USA Today, July 27, 1994

* * *

Question to PETA Outreach Coordinator Susan Rich: "If you were aboard a
lifeboat with a baby and a dog, and the boat capsized, which would you
rescue?"

Rich's answer: "I wouldn't know for sure...I might choose the human baby
or I might choose the dog."
Steve Kane Show WIOD-AM Radio Miami, FL Feb, 23, 1989

* * *

"In a perfect world, all other than human animals would be free of human
interference, dogs and cats would part of the ecological scheme."
PETA's Statement on Companion Animals

* * *

-In response to Animal Liberation Front violence in the Pacific Northwest:
"We cannot condemn the Animal Liberation Front...they act courageously,
risking their freedom and their careers to stop the terror inflicted every
day on animals in the labs. [ALF's activities] comprise an important part
of today's animal protection movement."
PETA statement - June 19, 1991

* * *

"Homelessness drives me crazy! I take responsibility for everything that
happens to me. Everyone can pull themselves up. I have more sympathy for
animals because they
don't deserve anything that happens to them. They're innocent."
PETA member -
"What Becomes a Zealot Most?" GQ Magazine November 1993

* * *

"We're not superior. There are no clear distinctions between us and
animals."
Michael Fox - Washingtonian Magazine February 1990

* * *

"Man is the most dangerous, destructive, selfish and unethical animal on
earth."
Michael Fox
The Intellectual Activist Sept. 14, 1983

* * *

-(Expressing opposition to use of bug sprays) "Only a few of the million
you kill would have bitten you."
Michael Fox
Returning to Eden - Fox Publication

* * *

"We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of
livestock produced through selective breeding. ...One generation and out.
We have no problem with the extinction of domestic animals. They are
creations of human selective breeding."
Wayne Pacelle
Animal People May 1993

* * *

"If we could shut down all sport hunting in a moment, we would."
Wayne Pacelle - formerly of Friends of Animals -
Impassioned Agitator - Associated Press - Dec. 30, 1991

* * *

"If abandoning animal research means that there are some things we cannot
learn,then so be it... We have no basic right...not to be harmed by those
natural diseases we are heir to."
Tom Regan
North Carolina State University
The Case for Animal Rights, 1983

* * *

"It is not larger, cleaner cages that justice demands...but empty cages;
not traditional animal agriculture but a complete end to all commerce in
the flesh of dead animals; not more humane hunting and trapping, but the
total eradication of these barbarous practices."
Tom Regan
North Carolina State University
The Philosophy of Animal Rights, 1989

* * *

When asked which he would save, a dog or a baby, if a boat capsized in the
ocean: "If it were a retarded baby and a bright dog, I'd save the dog."
Tom Regan
North Carolina State University
Q & A session following speech
"Animal Rights, Human Wrongs"
U of Wisconsin-Madison
Oct. 27, 1989

* * *

"Even granting that we [humans] face greater harm than laboratory animals
presently endure if research on these animals is stopped, the animal
rights view will not be satisfied with anything less than total
abolition."
Tom Regan
North Carolina State University
The Case for Animal Rights, 1983

Resolution
05-31-2007, 11:38 PM
straight darwinism, "survival of the fittest." we have thumbs we are in control.

mkean
06-20-2007, 02:17 PM
Wouldn't save your own kid's life over another animal? Hell, I think I'd give some random stranger's life to save my kid (If I had one). I can understand how PETA is I guess. I suppose I felt the same way when I was young. But the thing is, it's ridiculous. As far as we know, humans are the only sencient animal. And the thing is....they're tasty. Telling me to stop eating meat is like telling someone to rip their right arm off (because they've got two, right?). However I don't agree with hunting animals for sport, animal testing, or just plain abuse. But as for eating them....it's the circle of life buddy boy. You think a croc would hesitate to eat you? Hah.

More on the topic, I had noticed that same thing and was going to ask if someone else experienced it similar. However, the part at the end both creeps me out and confuses me.

midn8
07-06-2007, 08:39 PM
i just thought of this.
the PETA people say don't eat Animals. ok i agree with them
does the Animals have a PETA group?
doesnt the FOX eat SHEEPS?
or the LIONS eat Gazelle
and the list go on
why the foxes can eat sheeps and i dont???
go figure.

vinegar_tom
07-07-2007, 10:06 AM
straight darwinism, "survival of the fittest." we have thumbs we are in control.

That's not what Darwinian natural selection says. You're thinking of Herbert Spencer.

nellyson25
07-14-2007, 10:51 AM
maybe he's saying carrots can feel just like humans and animals? how will we ever know?

Shinji
07-21-2007, 04:54 AM
As I was looking for info about Alan Watts, I found that once, when asked why he was a vegetarian, he replied "Cows scream louder than carrots." !

Aezarien
07-22-2007, 08:04 AM
When asked which he would save, a dog or a baby, if a boat capsized in the
ocean: "If it were a retarded baby and a bright dog, I'd save the dog."

Not to be mean spirited but the whole list of ridiculous arguments deserves all the scorn and derision one could muster in text form. This however is my personal favorite. It goes to show how much thought that some of these people really put into how they answer these questions. If Tom was that fucking bright he would let the bright dog swim. If the dog was exceptionally bright, it would save the retarded baby and let Tom drown. Besides, they said if a boat capsized in the ocean. They didn't specify that Tom, the dog, or the retarded baby were even on the boat. What is their hang-up with comparing animals to retarded kids anyway?

Second runner up is the comparison of the holocaust to killing chickens. Being of Jewish decent I find the concept so laughable that I can barely bring myself to be offended. For arguments sake however, the Jews were not killed as a food source (that we know of). Do not tangle with the affairs of Jews, for chickens art crunchy and good with catsup!

As for the topic, I always saw it as a parody showcasing how easily personal preferences can be blown out of proportion to the extent that a person isn't happy unless their (eating) habits bleed into other people's lives. As ridiculous as the parody sounds, that is how far fetched the above quotes from animal rights activists sound to me. I am all for animal rights but not to the exclusion of my own race.

I am curious though... do you get a decoder ring with a PETA (Preference for Extra Tasty Animals) membership?

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gabe_angelfire
07-24-2007, 08:22 AM
Do not tangle with the affairs of Jews, for chickens art crunchy and good with catsup!



OMFG! As one who is Jew-ish, that made me LOL!!!

Bhikkhu
08-23-2007, 01:37 PM
I think people from PETA and people who support them are hypocrites, because they care more about animals than about humans. What's more important in life(?), the suffering of humans or the suffering of animals? Every creature has a will to live and every suffering creature should have the right to be without suffering, but I believe it's maybe a bit more important to focus on human suffering, because human suffering causes more human suffering (for example; religious warfare) and also more animal suffering. If we could accomplish the cessation of all human suffering, then there would also be less animal suffering. I think it would be more useful for these people to protest against the war than against farmers or something.

Take this quote:
If the death of one rat cured all diseases, it wouldn't make any
difference to me.
-Chris Derose, founder and director of Last Chance for Animals

Just wait till you get a chronic disease. You wouldn't know if it makes a difference, because you don't know what it's like to have an disease that can't be cured.

RachJacob
08-24-2007, 07:23 AM
[QUOTE=mkean;2011185]As far as we know, humans are the only sencient animal.

Have you ever owned an animal?
My family dog was a golden retriever she was almost human, she would never give kisses unless you were completely in tears, she would walk up stick her wet nose on your face, kiss you once then walk away. She always knew when to show affection, as if she was saying everything is okay you silly human come lay in the yard with me now and get over it.
I had a friend who owned a farm and had a pig and a goat as pets and not farm animals. This pig was so intelligent; we were able to teach her through words to create specific reactions, same with the goat.
My point would be as long as you allow yourself to ignore the fact that other animals have spirit and personalities, you make it okay to continue to eat them. It's human nature to differentiate ourselves from other forms of psychologies that are not what we believe to be more important then our own.

Bhikkhu
08-24-2007, 07:36 AM
I know you weren't asking me, but I have two aquaria with fish, snails and a lot of shrimps :D

Only my fish show some form of intelligence. They seem to know when it's feeding time, but that's about it.

Aezarien
09-04-2007, 10:56 AM
[QUOTE=mkean;2011185].........It's human nature to differentiate ourselves from other forms of psychologies that are not what we believe to be more important then our own.

I'm not responding explicitly to your post but expanding on some thoughts I had related to this sentence. I just thought I would point that out so you didn't think I was trying to argue some point with you. I'm just kind of thinking out loud over here.

Not only do some people differentiate but they actively and aggressively seek to separate themselves completely from those ideas. For some people this is almost a necessary reaction to some issues just to keep them functioning. They have to believe that their thoughts and their causes are right and that others agree with and support them or life as we know it just ceases to be worth living. I empathize and I would fight for their right to have their own opinion and make their own choices. The only exception I take to organizations such as PETA is the propagandizing of their choice and the pressing for laws in an effort to force others follow the same set of principals they live their life by.

I think when the phrase "opinions are like assholes" came into fruition that someone misunderstood it for saying that when you have an opinion you have the right to be an asshole. I tend to think more along the lines of us all being assholes because we have an opinion. If you have an opinion that is great. If you want to pass out literature to educate others on your opinion that is commendable. The exaggerated examples don't even offend me although if one wants to support an opinion it seems like one would want to pick better, more reasonable analogies. Perpetuate a behavior that results in someone dictating what principles I should live my life by and that is where I draw the line. What if research found that children fed a vegetarian diet were more likely to suffer iron deficiencies? How far could those who want to prevent iron deficiencies in children push the issue before it invades a vegetarian's right to feed their children what they believe to be the appropriate food to their child? Before anyone decides to go on a crusade to change rules for others they need to consider what things they do that others can have an opinion about and how they would accept the changes that could bring about.

I'm not judgin', I'm just sayin'