salivial vs aenima [Archive] - The Tool Page: Opinion

toolrox19

01-05-2007, 07:23 PM

have you ever noticet the little diffrences between this and the aenima version other than being slower and a couple of verses repeated. like how instead of "what are you but my reflection" and "what is THIS but my reflection" and some things are dropped out... so, yeah this is obvious but which version do you like the most, and why??

Jeep Woods

01-05-2007, 08:34 PM

I think the Salival version is just a perfection of the AEnima version so I'm going to have to go with Salival...

blair's man sausage

01-05-2007, 08:37 PM

what is this salival you talk about?

Inbleach

01-05-2007, 10:27 PM

Salival wins it, hands down. This marked the progression between Aenima and Lateralus IMO. I agree with Jeep Woods this was the perfected version.

hushypushy

01-05-2007, 11:33 PM

I talked with my girlfriend about this the other day actually, she likes the Ænima version because it's like screaming the frustrations out, and I like the Salival version because of the "see you on the other side" type, I guess that's how each of us deal with our problems, at least internally...

Alex in Chains

01-06-2007, 07:43 AM

As much as I love the Salival version, I have to go with Ænima. The original version is a little more to the point; I have no problem with a 14-minute Tool song, but the extended version of "Pushit" just doesn't need to be as long as it is. Also, the album version is a little more musically interesting in the beginning. I like how they slowly build on the one theme on the extended, but it can be redundant. The album version is tighter and stays fresher throughout.

Both versions are high on my list of Tool favorites, though.

mr. nikki jensen

01-06-2007, 08:14 AM

the ænima version def. the other ones close too, but the original always kicks the ass in the end.

hartology

01-08-2007, 07:55 PM

The beginning of the AEnema version has a nice into with the guitar, but i'd have to say that I like the Salival version better. It is more emotional hearing maynard sing it live and the "see you on the other side" part realy starts the song off with a good feeling.

resonance.

01-08-2007, 09:16 PM

The bass change.

pink_rose

01-11-2007, 12:11 PM

So Justin plays the bass on this track on both albums, and obviously wrote the bass line for the Salival version. But did he write the bass line for the Aenema version? I think I read somewhere that it was the other guy, but im not sure. Anyone know?

resonance.

01-11-2007, 12:12 PM

Yeah, it was Paul. The song was mostly written before Justin joined the band, he just made it what it is.

pink_rose

01-11-2007, 12:39 PM

Cheers :)

mr. nikki jensen

01-13-2007, 12:13 PM

Cheers :)

cheers mate

Intolerable

01-18-2007, 08:45 PM

I'm obviously the minority, but the Pushit version is the much stronger and superior version.

I just don't feel the calmer beginning meshes well with the song - I don't think the lyrics go with the music very well in the beginning, and I just love the intensity and the emotion (in the first 3-4 minutes) in the Aenima version compared to that of the Salival version.

That said, the ending is fucking sweet either way you look at it.

Edit: Maybe I'm not in the minority. Sweet.

blair's man sausage

01-18-2007, 08:50 PM

Divine_left

01-18-2007, 09:41 PM

The vocals are much stronger on Salival. That just about does it for me.

Oh, and also the subtle bass changes...brilliant.

Synergy

01-21-2007, 12:49 AM

salivial > aenima

It has a nice little rhythm you can play in your head all day long.

sotos

01-27-2007, 09:36 AM

the 2 versions of push.it is like having 2 twins pornstars in your bed

one is blonde
the other is brunette

they both rule and its better having two in your 'bed' (that is your head) than one

Polish_Rides_The_Spiral

01-30-2007, 02:22 PM

i thouroughly enjoy aenima's pushit, but when this one came out they took it to quite the emotional level. aenima has the most solid playing, but salival speaks to you. its a tough call

tonedeftool

02-08-2007, 07:49 AM

i remember in 97 when i first heard the salival version of pushit live...i was blown the fuck away...that being said i can appreciate both versions, hearing new innovations of a song live though is fucking orgasmic

i can't belive you got the hear that shit live originally...so jealous. the salival version's been one of my favorite tool songs for a long time. people seem to be evenly split about the two intros but the slow/calmer one sounds amazing to me. plus, the danny's tabla teacher is featured on the recording right? forget his name though...

martyrinexile86

02-08-2007, 03:51 PM

i can't belive you got the hear that shit live originally...so jealous. the salival version's been one of my favorite tool songs for a long time. people seem to be evenly split about the two intros but the slow/calmer one sounds amazing to me. plus, the danny's tabla teacher is featured on the recording right? forget his name though...

Yes, Danny's tabla teacher is featured on the Salival version. His name is Aloke Dutta.

bassmaster

02-10-2007, 02:53 AM

that being said i can appreciate both versions, hearing new innovations of a song live though is fucking orgasmic

Agreed.

toolninapc

02-28-2007, 10:58 AM

Clutch_The_Cornerstone

03-14-2007, 08:24 PM

This song is the best mind fuck you could ever have......I would give anything to hear it done live........

haha the best mind Fuck...nicely said =Aenema > Salival

Clutch_The_Cornerstone

03-14-2007, 08:32 PM

haha the best mind Fuck...nicely said =Aenema > Salival

Another thing about the two verisons is this. One of my fav. parts in Aenima which is "Keep my feet flat on the ground" is not in the Salival verison. Can anyone tell me why?

Drink a beer. Smoke some saliva. :)

O.G.T.92

03-14-2007, 11:04 PM

y'all sound like peanuts parents........

O.G.T.92

03-14-2007, 11:07 PM

Arkham Asylum

03-15-2007, 10:20 AM

It is sorta funny how tool spent days in the studio laying down tracks just right, mixing, mastering, editing..... and the preferred version is a straight through recording. We definitely need more official live stuff!

Yeah, I've noticed the same thing recently. Despite what everyone says, Tool seems to sound best LIVE (though I personally prefer certain tracks unchanged from the album version).

I've rarely heard complaints regarding live Tool (other than obvious bitching about setlists, etc.); otherwise, people don't tend to say that they were displeased with a live performance.

I think Tool has said it themselves in several interviews and articles (though it may not be true): they consider themselves to shine as a live band and they state that working in the studio is the most boring aspect of being musicians.

burning_purity

03-21-2007, 05:14 PM

I dunno man, the Salival version wins it hands down for me. Either way it's a great song, but it was like it was born again with the new version. The little differences can speak volumes, at least to me. Listen to Maynard: "Close your eyes, and we'll meet you on the other side". It's fun there.

toolninapc

03-22-2007, 10:37 AM

haha the best mind Fuck...nicely said =Aenema > Salival

haha thanks

Esurient4Truth

03-22-2007, 01:19 PM

^

???

...Math Class Anybody?

Clearly Aenema < Salival.

You know what Salival has that Aenema doesn't? Spark. What do I mean by "spark?" Aenema is an album. A masterpiece.

But Salival is something more. It's more than a masterpiece. Maynard shows his true colors in the album. And I say that because in Aenema, everything was done in Studio. Mistakes can be fixed. Everything is well...robotic (and I say that about all bands studiowise). In Salival, it really shows that Tool is an awesome live band. There's so much emotion in the songs that you don't hear on Aenema. It's like a fucking hurricane in your head. Maynard gets so passionate about the music, and you can clearly hear it. It's awesome to listen to.

Rod

03-22-2007, 01:48 PM

i remember in 97 when i first heard the salival version of pushit live...i was blown the fuck away...that being said i can appreciate both versions, hearing new innovations of a song live though is fucking orgasmic

I don't know man, I remember being so jacked up to see them that I didn't know how to react when they dropped the slow shit on us.

I think I would have appreciated it more if I had seen them a couple times before they broke it out, or at least warned us that they were taking it down a notch for a moment.

Aenima > Salival

Esurient4Truth

03-22-2007, 01:57 PM

??? Why do you guys insist that Aenima/Aenema is better than Salival.

...math folks...math...
still don't get it?

Ever played scrabble?
Aenima/Aenema is worth 8 points. (Both Aenima and Aenema work out to 8 points)
Salival is worth 10 points.

Therefore, Salival > Aenima

jevons

03-22-2007, 02:27 PM

I have two delicious sandwiches, they look similar, but one has pickles on it.
Thank goodness i like pickes, eh?

They will both be delicious.

jevons

03-22-2007, 02:28 PM

y'all sound like peanuts parents........

Ha.

Esurient4Truth

03-22-2007, 02:28 PM

Please tell me Salival has the pickles on it.

jevons

03-22-2007, 02:32 PM

the pickles destiny is to be inside my stomach, and then to be poop. That is the wisdom of the ages.
There is no pickle.

Arkham Asylum

03-22-2007, 02:35 PM

I have two delicious sandwiches, they look similar, but one has pickles on it.
Thank goodness i like pickes, eh?

They will both be delicious.

Thank you. We need more people like you around here. I personally hate pickles, but I love both Ænima and Salival.

Esurient4Truth

03-22-2007, 02:42 PM

the pickles destiny is to be inside my stomach, and then to be poop. That is the wisdom of the ages.
There is no pickle.

lol. truth.

in response to Arkham Asylum
both albums are good. I have no problem with either of them. but I just personally believe that Salival is better.

Aenima is good because...well, it just fucking rules. Hooker with a Penis does it. That's when you get halfway through the album, and think to yourself (damn, why didn't I listen to this sooner?)

Salival is good because it's like a follow up to Aenima. Hey, you liked Aenima, but to hold you over, here's some milk with your cookies. I love milk with my cookies.

Cookies, are just cookies. The songs are like the ingredients. Stinkfist is like chocolate chip...H. is like peanut butter.... But cookies aren't any good without the fucking milk. The milk is what makes the cookie.

Arkham Asylum

03-22-2007, 05:21 PM

lol. truth.

in response to Arkham Asylum
both albums are good. I have no problem with either of them. but I just personally believe that Salival is better.

Aenima is good because...well, it just fucking rules. Hooker with a Penis does it. That's when you get halfway through the album, and think to yourself (damn, why didn't I listen to this sooner?)

Salival is good because it's like a follow up to Aenima. Hey, you liked Aenima, but to hold you over, here's some milk with your cookies. I love milk with my cookies.

Cookies, are just cookies. The songs are like the ingredients. Stinkfist is like chocolate chip...H. is like peanut butter.... But cookies aren't any good without the fucking milk. The milk is what makes the cookie.

Haha, my statement was not directed at you and it wasn't meant to be demeaning to anyone else. I was just glad that Jevons shares my perspective when it's come to Tool.

I love Salival too, I think it's an awesome compilation. It offers an interesting, unique look into Tool, nothing could be better. Doesn't change the fact that Ænima is still my favorite album ever by anyone.

Alex in Chains

03-23-2007, 02:48 AM

Doesn't change the fact that Ænima is still my favorite album ever by anyone.

Correction: It is the best album ever by anyone.

Arkham Asylum

03-23-2007, 06:02 AM

Correction: It is the best album ever by anyone.

My bad, I meant what you said.

jevons

03-23-2007, 08:25 AM

Thank you. We need more people like you around here. I personally hate pickles, but I love both Ænima and Salival.

Fucking A Right, cotton!!

Someday, when the assholes have pinched their last nugget, everything the light touches will be my kingdom.
I just have to cut back on the posts per day, stay healthy, eat my wheaties and stop telling people to go kill themselves.

P.S. Alex in Chains might have a point, except, umm, i found this CD under my couch, a friend left it there, it's called Lateral.... Lateralus. I think it's pretty good. It's from a band called Tool, you might like it.

Alex in Chains

03-23-2007, 09:15 AM

P.S. Alex in Chains might have a point, except, umm, i found this CD under my couch, a friend left it there, it's called Lateral.... Lateralus. I think it's pretty good. It's from a band called Tool, you might like it.

Lateralus has drifted down my list over the past six years. At first, I thought it might be better than Ænima, but it quickly became my second favorite. With the new record (my new second favorite), I've really analyzed how often I go back and listen to each record, evaluated the individual songs a little, and decided that Undertow ranks above Lateralus for me, too. I think if I had to pinpoint what keeps Lateralus at number four, it would come down to two things: the beginning and the end. While I love the "super song," I've always felt they could end the album better (the title track is probably their best bet). And "The Grudge" is just not a very good song, at least not for Tool.

Of course, "Least Favorite Tool LP" is kind of like "Worst Orgasm I Ever Had."

Esurient4Truth

03-23-2007, 09:44 AM

And "The Grudge" is just not a very good song, at least not for Tool.

You make a big boy cry Alex. Seriously. The Grudge is awesome.
Maybe you'll see the light when "Saturn Ascends."

If the Grudge doesn't seem toolish, but then why... or should I say in a sense (I'm trying to derive this from your perspective), how does Rosetta stoned fit? That doesn't seem toolish either in that sense. And neither does the pot (but we won't talk about the pot).

jevons

03-23-2007, 09:53 AM

One more word about the grudge, and i fucking swear.

To the moon.

Theres No Love in Fear

03-26-2007, 07:45 PM

I love both the Ænima and the Salival version of Pushit, but I'm still gonna have to go with the Salival version.

The Salival version reminds me of the later to come Right In Two. The way that they transition into a percussion bridge, then go into the more ænimaish part of the song is like WOAH! Also, the first time I heard it I was in a bad emotional state, and so the song sentimentally stuck to me more than the one on ænima did.

Both versions hella good though

erazorhead

03-27-2007, 04:35 AM

salival version coz theres more of it

toolrox19

04-14-2007, 07:33 PM

you know i really think it depends on what you 'want' to hear so depending on the mood u want either one will have their own time that it is better than the other

chaotic_confusion

04-17-2007, 04:54 AM

I agree. But in response to what started this topic, I'd have to say that i prefer the Ænima "D'amour Demo" the most, not because of Paul's bass (although it does add a little more intensity to it, in this case), but because of the raw power of the lyrics, they sound almost bitter, but have that pure confidence kinda preacher sound to Maynard's voice that was all we got back in the day, and i'd have to say in this situation it works better than most, in my opinion at least. I do however like to give a listen to Salival's every now and then because of the beautific drums/tabla of Danny/Aloke being in almost perfect balance with the melodies and harmonies of the song... it's almost to perfect for a live performance sometimes... but that's what makes Tool so unique.

hobbitcore

05-09-2007, 04:22 AM

this is like choosing which is my favorite arm

Eulogy33

05-30-2007, 06:55 PM

hmm..tough decision. they are both excellent versions and different. Aenima one is more raw and intense. Salival one makes u wanna turn off the lights, lay in bed and suck on a joint.

toolrox19

06-03-2007, 02:47 PM

this is like choosing which is my favorite arm

depends on which one can move up and down/in and out, faster u know what im sayin hahah

Hodge

06-03-2007, 03:08 PM

aenima version is annoying when he sings 'prying open my third eye' 400 times

Aire

06-04-2007, 10:27 AM

the beginning of the aenima version is godly when the drums come in.....its soo profound and powerful, but the salival version is sooo heavenly....its tool they are fucking awesome, if they come out with another version of the song it would be amazing also