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11-25-2006, 12:08 AM
These are clues about the songs meaning, maybe you can help me piece it together.
I get a feeling that this is actually very much a concept album with this being part of an over reaching theme. Evidence to support this is, for one, the fact that all the "filler" on the album is even numbered tracks starting at 4 ending with 14
Useful idiot is a term that is surprisingly synonymous with the term Tool as an insult.
The sound you hear is the end of a record playing out to its finish.
It comes just after H. and just before 46&2, could it be then that perhaps after H. (I hold to the theory that H. is about letting in love after being closed to it) he(the narrator) realizes that he was just being used(for something and by someone unknown as of yet) and is about to evolve?
Something like that?

11-25-2006, 12:37 AM
What the hell is the chance that someone has such a similar name to MJK lol its JMK:
""Useful idiots" would be literally translated from Russian "polesnye idioty". Taking into account possible imprecise translation from Lenin's native Russian into English, other similar quotations exist, such as his assessment of US President Woodrow Wilson in a speech delivered at a meeting of activists of the Moscow Oraganisation of Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain (RCPB) on December 6, 1920, first published in 1923 according to the verbatim report in V.I. Lenin Collected Works, 4th English Edition, Progress Publishers, Moscow, 1966, page 449 (translated from Russian):

"Thus we have before us the greatest state in the world, which by 1923 will have a navy stronger than the British, and this state is meeting with growing enmity from the other capitalist countries. We must take this trend of things into account. America cannot come to terms with the rest of Europe -- that is a fact proved by history. Nowhere has the Versailles Treaty been analyzed so well as in the book by Keynes, a British representative at Versailles. In his book Keynes ridicules Wilson and the part he played in the Treaty of Versailles. Here, Wilson proved to be an utter simpleton, whom Clemenceau and Lloyd George twisted round their little fingers. Thus everything goes to show that America cannot come to terms with the other countries because of the profound economic antagonism between them, since America is richer than the rest." [5]

John Maynard Keynes's book on the Peace of Versailles, which does deprecate Wilson, is The Economic Consequences of the Peace.. The quotation deals with discord among enemy powers (as Lenin held them to be); rather than the sympathies of western leftists."

11-25-2006, 09:24 PM
Interesting theory. I'm not convinced, though. It just seems kind of coincidental IMO.

12-03-2006, 11:29 AM
it's a record...read FAQ...LOL

12-04-2006, 11:53 AM

12-11-2006, 09:47 PM
Robert Anton Wilson states a useful idiot as a person working for the CIA or government but doesnt know it...Just came across it randomly...peace

12-29-2006, 10:48 AM

WAYYYY overanalyzing. Can't believe these guys came up with that crap

12-31-2006, 12:03 AM
WAYYYY overanalyzing. Can't believe these guys came up with that crap

Like they say..
Overthinking, overanalyzing, seperates the body from the mind...


Just had to throw that in there