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reign3
06-03-2003, 03:53 PM
Alright, I'm onto some answers here. What I did, and what I recomend doing, if you want to get a better understanding of the meaning of this song is, search: Tree of Life Saturn.

This is why.
While I was looking for information on a project I'm doing in schoo, on the occult, I came across stuff about Cabala, and the Tree of Life. To make a long story short, the Tree of Life is like a guidline for living a good life. There are 10 spheres on it. You'll have to read about it go get this understanding. But the ten thing jumped out at me. That wasn't enough to convince me, so I searched (Tree of Life Saturn) to see if Saturn had anything to do with it. Low and behold, Saturn is the planet associated with the third sphere named Binah. Binah is the sphere of understanding.

I put that to the song:
Saturn comes back around
To show you everything (knowledge, understanding)
Lets you chose what you will, or will not see and then (you're making choices. Remember Chose one or ten? The Tree of Life is a guidline for living. There are 22 different paths you can take. You choose how you want to go about it.)
Drags you down like a stone (Saturn is associated with the metal, lead. Lead is heavy, it could drag you down. Also remember the line "turn these leaden crutches into gold. It is also associated with the base chakra.)
Or lifts you up again (depends on the choices you make. If you chose to be understanding, you can become a better person.)
Spits you out like a child
Light and innocent (This is what I read off of one of the sites...."Because of the obscurity of the inner meaning of Binah, it often is associated with beginnings and endings, birth and death, which are what results from the energy present in this sphere." Birth and death stand out to me.)

Here are three of the sites I got this info off of:

http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/tol/binah.shtml
The most in depth of the three. Focuses on the sphere, Binah. At least skim through this. There are references quite possibly to The Grudge, scattered all over the artice. Worth the read.


http://www.byzant.com/kabbalah/sefira.asp?number=3
Not a very important site. I just posted this because it has the very simple diagram of the Tree of Life and labels the 10 spheres.


http://www.polarissite.net/TOL/Chakras.html
Good site. Talks about all the associations of the spheres on the Tree of Life.


I can't be sure if all or any of this is right, but I think there are some true similarities between the song and this concept. It's worth the read.

eek
06-07-2003, 09:07 PM
Hmmmm.... not a bad idea. I've got other ideas for the tree of life's appearance in Lateralus (black, then white are all I see, red and yellow then came to me...).

You can see the colors in the tree here:
http://www.borndigital.com/tree/index.html

It seemed to fit with the whole golden set / spiral tie-in and (6) being yellow, gold, Phi (the golden mean).

umbilicalchemist
02-19-2004, 07:04 AM
i think it's
choose one or ten... heaven or hell
because grudge it's the 1st track you can consider it as 1 in the tree of life
or 10 in the tree of qelipoth...
something like: use lateralus as u wish.. well or otherwise
http://www.polarissite.net/TOL/qlippoth.htm









1
1 1
45 23
67
9 8
101112
13
faaip de oiad

RRed
02-20-2004, 11:24 AM
REign... good post.. very infomative.. its something I've been exploring but I couldn't find any info connecting Saturn and Tree of Sephiroth... but that's some good info.... Thanks.

RRed

Liquid Ashes
05-06-2004, 01:12 PM
Yeah I think that these explanations make a lot more since than a lot I have heard having to do with the Saturn part of the song. Good post, thanks for the info.