How come this isnt the seminal track of the album?

[DON IOTAE]

I hear everyone boast about sober, how great it is, how it needs to be played at every concert, bla bla bla. Well, Prison Sex has been undermined for too long. It's a fucking awesome tune with more punch, heart, and melody than sober. I say this is the new undertow track that should be present at every concert.

Who's with me?

[the_shrike29]

I hear everyone boast about sober, how great it is, how it needs to be played at every concert, bla bla bla. Well, Prison Sex has been undermined for too long. It's a fucking awesome tune with more punch, heart, and melody than sober. I say this is the new undertow track that should be present at every concert.

Who's with me?




I agree. Prison Sex and Undertow.

[DON IOTAE]

yeah, Undertow FTW .

I stand corrected.

[fateless]

Good call, Iota. Sober this tour was a bit played out. I would have loved to hear Prison Sex.

[DON IOTAE]

Thank you, fateless. As ive heard it, it's always been played out a bit too much. I think my opinion is biased (duh), since i was suckered into Tool with PS... i LUV that foken t00n. foken luv it.

[ktdude]

I was always more into sober than prison sex and fucking loved seeing them paly it this tour - in terms of emotion it had the most for me compared to any other track I saw them play live this summer. however I have been really getting into prison sex lately and totally agree that it would be fucking awesome to hear them play this live - guess it's just another one to add to the list of least likely to's though... shame.

[DON IOTAE]

prison sex live: wowzers.

[discocj69]

Undertow is great live! I would prefer Prison Sex to Sober but the ultimate for me would be to see 4 degrees live

[mjkajdcjc]

Prison Sex is the best followed by Four Degrees and Undertow.

[DON IOTAE]

^ i love to find people as smart as me.

[mjkajdcjc]

^ i love to find people as smart as me.

Thanks! I guess...

[Negatorie]

prison sex is just so awesome, its such an emotional song, best song off undertow for me, followed up by sober, and 4 degrees

[DON IOTAE]

...yet, another example.

[DON IOTAE]

Thanks! I guess...

you guess right.

[NegativeObs]

Yeah I'm not even all that crazy about sober.

[DON IOTAE]

PS is too slick for sober to handle.

[Hym]

I'd pretty much prefer any song from Undertow instead of Sober live just because I've heard it live so many times and I'm just not that big a fan of the song. Intolerance would be nice.

[DeepDepth]

I support this thread. Sober has been played on the radio a bunch, and that's what people usually want to hear(songs played on the radio). They don't know any better.

[DON IOTAE]

poor bastards dont know any better

[mjkajdcjc]

Yeah, and Prison Sex got in the whole MTV "controversy", so people couldn't watch it on TV. It just never had the chance to get popular, even if it is one of Tool's best songs ever.

[base metal]

even though i'm burned out on sober, it came back to life in concert BUT prison sex is my favorite song on undertow so HELL YA!

"I have found some kind of temporary sanity in this poop, vein juice, and jizz on my hands!....that's the kind of intensity i want to see live.

[DON IOTAE]

LOL

[tuck]

I would be whole-heartedly with you on this campaign, however, I cant make up my mind between two of the finest songs buttsecks ever created--prison sex and 4 degrees. I love da buttsecks soo much (used to not love it soo much, then Maynard sings about it and now I cant stop), my dream is to have buttsecks with someone (my wife wll do, and listening to each song pumped in separate earphones. Sort of a sterioaduiosodomy experience.

I guess Ill go with Prison Sex. Much more aninmalistic.

[DON IOTAE]

more descriptive, IMO

[sotos]

flood beats the hell out of prison sex


flood
undertow
sober

then prison sex

sorry iota i aint as 'smart' as you xe xe

[encrusted]

I'm with you on this one - prison sex is definitely the seminal track - I saw them unleash that live (it was in '95 or '96) - best track of the show - fuckin blew me away

[Zinnia]

i'd love to hear flood
"this ground is not the rock i thought it would be"
and the build up in the begining....

[DON IOTAE]

thats ok, sotos.

[mjkajdcjc]

Actually, it's my second favorite Tool song alltime.

Yes, yes... Good song...

[ajp1982]

hehe 'seminal'...Freudian slip perhaps?

I, for one, am in agreeance. PS rocks.

A.

[DON IOTAE]

SEMINAL INDEED

and fecal, too.

[TEST]

Sober is a two note song...it's bound to be a legend.
but then again...prison sex realy rox :)

[DON IOTAE]

Prison Secks.

[fretforyourfigure462]

I hear everyone boast about sober, how great it is, how it needs to be played at every concert, bla bla bla. Well, Prison Sex has been undermined for too long. It's a fucking awesome tune with more punch, heart, and melody than sober. I say this is the new undertow track that should be present at every concert.

Who's with me?

I'm with you all the way.

[DON IOTAE]

*raises the horns*

[There is no spoon]

I've heard this live once, it was amazing. Most of the crowd didn't know what it was, but it was definitely cool.

I wish they would play more old stuff. I heard undertow & 4degrees live too. They were incredible (undertow was the best)

[DON IOTAE]

FUCK YEA.

[Dubya]

Howcome nobody recognizes Crawl Away as one of the great Undertow tracks?

[orcaloverbri9]

Seriously. Crawl Away, 4 Degrees, and Flood are my personal favorites. I like Prison Sex, but I wouldn't say it's my favorite by any means. I wouldn't say Sober is either, though. Actually, Sober is pretty much the odd man out on Undertow; all the other songs have a similar tone, but Sober is just out there. (Okay, 4 Degrees is a bit off too, but not as much as Sober.) However, Sober is important because most people get into Tool through it (I certainly did). Actually, it's pretty typical...eventually you leave the song you cut your teeth on for better, if less popular, ones (nobody who gets into Tool by themselves listens to Lateralus - the song - first, and damn are they missing out). There are exceptions, but only in crappy bands.

[DON IOTAE]

Crawl Away pwns as well.

BTW, wtf is that indian chant at the beginning?

[Checkmate]

I'd prefer Prison Sex over Sober, but what I'd most like to see from the Undertow album is Intolerance.

[DON IOTAE]

intolerance has awesome drumming, y0

[mr. nikki jensen]

intolerance has awesome drumming, y0

without doubt.

[DON IOTAE]

the drumming actually reminds me of Sweat.

[PShepherd11]

Howcome nobody recognizes Crawl Away as one of the great Undertow tracks?

I agree with you on this...but this whole album kicks ass. This is the album which started it all for me. Prison Sex is probably my favorite (on this album), but Flood, 4 degrees, Crawl Away, and Bottom follow closely behind. It's hard to say, I like the whole thing. Many songs on this CD helped me through difficult times. The whole world could be falling apart...but I'd still have Tool.

[DON IOTAE]

^ i hear ya.

[ravenouskitty]

prison sex is the song that sucked me in to the world of tool originally and is second only to hooker with a penis for driving in traffic.

[resonance.]

Prison Sex? I'd say it's plenty seminal.

[zoetic]

Yeah.... prison sx (and four degrees) are the tracks that really got me to take notice and dig beneath the surface of the occassional rockin out to sober or stinkfist....and thank fuck for that! 46&2 is still top o the tool pops for me but.

[DON IOTAE]

What other song could be more seminal than a song about "coming full circle"?

[zoetic]

shit, blood & cum. id say thats pretty seminal.

[DON IOTAE]

.

[tomisatool]

I would love to hear O.T.R.M. I've listened to recordings but nothing would be like hearing it in person.

[DON IOTAE]

what do those initials stand for?

[Mr. Electric Ocean]

"On the Road Mix" is what I heard.

[DON IOTAE]

right.

[Mr. Electric Ocean]

Is that an "I don't believe you" right or an "Ohhh I understand" right?

[DON IOTAE]

Second Option.

First Option would sound more like, "riiiiiight."

[Mr. Electric Ocean]

Got it.

[DON IOTAE]

;)

[Esurient4Truth]

...^ WTF?

Oh well, continuing this topic:

What about Bottom? Now, I'm not a fan of the entire song, but the opening sequence is probably one of the best Tool openings ever. The first 1:45 of the song is completely awesome! If the entire song had this same kind of rhythm and vocal style, it would probably be my favorite.

Prison Sex should have been live on Salival. That song is just too awesome.

Intolerance is also a very unappreciated track. It reminds me of Sweat (another one of my favorites) from Opiate.

Has anybody mentioned Flood or Swamp Song yet? OMG! ", 'Cause your a stupid, belligerent fucker..." Amazing stuff.

Disgustipated by far, is probably the best song tool ever made...(if you catch my drift). It gave me a good laugh the first listen through, and is completely ridiculous, but I love it.

...

Ahh, and for Sober. Sober is a good song, but it IS overrated. Sober would have been better as an opener for the CD (1st track.) Think about it. However, where Intolerance would go, I have no idea.

Sure, I mentioned half of the undertow CD, but the opening to Bottom, and the entire tracks of Prison Sex, Swamp Song, and Flood are probably, to me, the most memorable.

[DON IOTAE]

chill.

its just a little down time...

[Caley]

Every track has it's own appeal, I jam on bass for Prison Sex.

[DON IOTAE]

yummy. Prison Sex is just sooo good. I actually remember what caught my ear the first time i heard it. It was Danny's use of the hi-hat. I'd never heard such a crisp, delicate use of the hi-hat til that moment...

[Clutch_The_Cornerstone]

im not any type of musician so i have a question...whats a hi-hat?

[Clutch_The_Cornerstone]

prison sex is the song that sucked me in to the world of tool originally and is second only to hooker with a penis for driving in traffic.

hooker with a penis is definately an awesome track to drive crazy too. I love it the most when the ghetto thugs are staring at me from the sidewalk and they are like "what the hell is that crazy white boy listening to?" TOOL pussys! haha good stuff.

[DON IOTAE]

im not any type of musician so i have a question...whats a hi-hat?

it's the two cymbals right next to the snare drum, one on top of the other, in opposition. it has a sweet, crisp, delicious sound if used correctly

hi-hat (http://www.rytmorama.no/perkusjon/bilder/hihat_i_trommesett.jpg)

[Clutch_The_Cornerstone]

thank you for the info. i know what your talking about now i just didnt know the name for the peice of the drum set. thanks man. Danny rules. Can you give me a song and a time when it sounds sweet and crisp? i would appreciate it.

[DON IOTAE]

sure, no prob.

right now, i dont have access to my songs (im @ work... :( ) so this is what i can tell you:

as soon as the song enters full gear (after the initial drum breakdown and stuff), the hi-hat starts sounding beautifully. And all throughout the song as well... right there, at the beginning, is where Tool got me. I was like, "Holy shit, this is heavy, but beautiful!"

the rest is history.

[Clutch_The_Cornerstone]

Yeah I'm not even all that crazy about sober.


yeah you definately are crazy...

[Clutch_The_Cornerstone]

sure, no prob.

right now, i dont have access to my songs (im @ work... :( ) so this is what i can tell you:

as soon as the song enters full gear (after the initial drum breakdown and stuff), the hi-hat starts sounding beautifully. And all throughout the song as well... right there, at the beginning, is where Tool got me. I was like, "Holy shit, this is heavy, but beautiful!"

the rest is history.

You should always have an ipod on you man. thats when you go take a shit, listen to some fu*kin TOOL and let me know what time in the song sounds beautiful! Get with it dude! but the info you gave me was helpful. thanks cheers.

[DON IOTAE]

i do have an iPod! iPod shuffle, that is...

:(

[Clutch_The_Cornerstone]

you only need one that holds 65 songs. All TOOL 24/7

[DON IOTAE]

lol

I GOT IT!

lately i cant get enough of Vicarious. Although I recently acquired "Close To The Edge" by Yes and I'm lovin' every minute of that damn record.

[Hodge]

it'd be nice if they retired SOBER forever and played this live instead
or 46&2 for that matter, or stinkfist

one of the 3

[DON IOTAE]

yeah...

my priority now is to see them live, no matter what they play!

lol

[Clutch_The_Cornerstone]

yeah...

my priority now is to see them live, no matter what they play!

lol

Priority to see TOOL live or this band YES you speak of? I hope your talkin about our beloved TOOL my friend.

[Freemena]

Tool live would rock my world. I could finally die in peace.

[Trelectron]

This song is AWESOME!!!!! no comments over it, just one of Tool's best

[DON IOTAE]

TOOL