Maynard is bashing...

[eslupminoyler]

himself. He is calling himself a hypocrite for pointing out flaws in dogma and religion, because he is no better and no less of a sinner.

But he might be referring to himself from the perspective of a supreme being.
Trying to imagine how Jesus or Buddha would critique his choices, decisions, and sin.

[(self(other]

I like it, started running the lyrics through my head after seeing this thread and the placement of the song.... I like it

[rogerdoger]

Interesting idea.

[christjohn]

Yes, that's obvious he's calling himself a hypocrite

[ChipperJones]

Yes, that's obvious he's calling himself a hypocrite

If it's so obvious, why is this topic the first one ever suggesting the idea?

[mike09]

its not obvious, christjohn is just being a douchebag

[Denots_a_Tesor]

thats the point

[plastik]

Was posted last month sometime ... I agree with the idea that the song is from the standpoint of his mom calling him a hypocrite. As if she was in heaven and knows it exists, and is telling her son he was wrong. Completes the story, basically.

[christjohn]

Yes, sorry for being douchebag. I just can't start all good posts, because I have different things to do. I can't explain every single song to you, sorry...

[TheJuiceOfSatan]

i believe this a good fucking idea. No one has thought of this yet. this is what tool wanted for their music. for people to take and think about it in all sorts of ways and use it to figure things out about themselves.

[christjohn]

Yes, but ideas like "the song is from the standpoint of his mom calling him a hypocrite."
are way off. I believe record devides into two parts. Part after "10,000 days" is less serious.

[trickma]

I think we have a winner!

[drone007]

so maynard pissed on black kettle?

[Harry]

i believe this a good fucking idea. No one has thought of this yet. this is what tool wanted for their music. for people to take and think about it in all sorts of ways and use it to figure things out about themselves.

Kinda makes you want to go back and listen to 'Eulogy', don'it?

You fly donkey!

Harry - "starboard engine flame-out, we're going directly for the chin-hair"

[lizbiz]

Kinda makes you want to go back and listen to 'Eulogy', don'it?

HA! I've always said that Eulogy is Maynard speaking about his old self.

[FloZthx]

second half of the record is not "less serious". right in two? so the record doesn't "split". but i'd agree that rosetta stoned isn't too serious....

you guys catch the bill hicks reference in rosetta? (stealth banana split the sky...)

[Crimson Relic]

I like the pot.

[sonic-discord]

you cock bite, maynard is talking about Bill Hicks in Eulogy, go back and listen to it and read up on tool and Bill.

actually, i'm pretty sure it's about L. Ron Hubbard (you know, the "mastermind" behind the "religion" that is scientology). i am quite familiar with bill hicks as well and i know the entire band are big fans of Bill Hicks' comedy too, so i doubt very much that the song would be about him. Eulogy is a very bitter song obviously aimed at someone maynard doesn't have too much respect for. there's also that verse in Ænema: "Fuck L. Ron Hubbard, and fuck all his clones..."

I also believe that's the reason for the religious references throughout the song.

[Phorty]

Was posted last month sometime ... I agree with the idea that the song is from the standpoint of his mom calling him a hypocrite. As if she was in heaven and knows it exists, and is telling her son he was wrong. Completes the story, basically.

thats a definate maybe.

[IcaLynn]

it just sounds like hes going through the anger stage of getting over a death. in the first half of eulogy, bill hicks is the one that pops to mind, then i imagine maynard screaming at his grave. i dont know much about L. Ron, but i guess you all could be right. i still think its about hicks though.

hicks wasnt afraid to die. "its just a ride" and he got off, thats all.

when it says "Get off your fucking cross" i imagine hicks doing his rutine about advertisements. "its jesus for miller" he holds up his arms as if he were on a cross. "it dont get much better than this jesus."

you all could definatly be right, but i doubt it. the album is about bill hicks and philosphy. There was shit about L. Ron in AEnima, but even that one was Hicks' dream.

[IcaLynn]

What? You're a cock bite...

and you're wrong... I'm not even going to waste my energy typing an explanation to an oblivious asshole.

you wouldnt be wasting your energy, youre just a fuckbucket....its ok though, i still love you. im entitled to my own opinions, so are you, please waste youre energy and try to think of something to say.

[duncang]

http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=54918


Not the first.

Not Maynard, or Jesus or whoever, but Judith.

[eslupminoyler]

http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=54918


Not the first.

Not Maynard, or Jesus or whoever, but Judith.


I did in fact read your last post. I agree with most of it. I'm left quite curious though, are you seriously a satanist? If so, what type of path led you there, and why do you feel content in that position?

[duncang]

I'm more of an agnostic. I take a lot of principles and beliefs from LaVey Satanism and some from Paganism and Buddhism. What 'lead' me to Satanism was curiosity, I went on the official website, read LaVeys writings, the Satanic Sins, The Rules Of The Earth etc. and I just agreed with them, simple as that.

[paraflux]

you cock bite, maynard is talking about Bill Hicks in Eulogy, go back and listen to it and read up on tool and Bill.

One of the more absurd things Ive read on here. The only reason you think it has anything to do with Bill Hicks is because the band mentioned it once. Yet, you probably have no idea in what aspect the song is really about him, so unless you explain yourself, you are the one who is full of it.

[IcaLynn]

people are so aggressive here. this forum brings out the worst in even me!!

paraflux, i did explain myself. 2x, i think. was that not good enough?

i may be right, i may be wrong, but ive told you my opinion. unless we somehoe pry into maynards mind, i dont think that anyone would ever really know what the damn song is about. maynard wont just tell us anyway. he wants us to draw our own conclusions and this is mine.

[NADIA90210]

i do not think maynard is bashing himself in this song. you should listen to the lyrics closer.

[duncang]

i do not think maynard is bashing himself in this song. you should listen to the lyrics closer.

You should elaborate on how, rather than just telling us to look at the lyrics closer.

[eslupminoyler]

You should elaborate on how, rather than just telling us to look at the lyrics closer.

My interpretation of the lyrics is based more on intuition. I took a look at the satanic website. To choose to follow something like that, is simply beyond (or below) me. I'd say more, but it leaves an awful feeling in the pit of my stomach.
There is always light and love to find, but only you can deny it.

[IcaLynn]

My interpretation of the lyrics is based more on intuition. I took a look at the satanic website. To choose to follow something like that, is simply beyond (or below) me. I'd say more, but it leaves an awful feeling in the pit of my stomach.
There is always light and love to find, but only you can deny it.

beautiful

[duncang]

My interpretation of the lyrics is based more on intuition. I took a look at the satanic website. To choose to follow something like that, is simply beyond (or below) me. I'd say more, but it leaves an awful feeling in the pit of my stomach.
There is always light and love to find, but only you can deny it.

I find light and love just as much as anyone else. I just don't pretend there's light and love where there isn't. You clearly didn't look at the site very well, if you went to look at the Satanic Rules Of The Earth, or The Satanic Sins, you would see that it is in fact the church of common sense, for the most part. LaVey Satanists don't even worship Satan, or any other figure, Satan is used as a symbol for anti-Christianity, in a way.

Oh yes, and you seem to be hinting that Satanists are 'below' you? Lets think for a second, are there any other people in history who thought people of a certain religion were below them?


Have to think about that one, huh?

[iAMtheMA!]

wow, no. we are the hypocrites. he's singing to us directly, as he did before "'cause you're a dumb ass, belligerent fucker". yeah, i think he feels that nothing else has gotten to us, so now he's going to be blunt, rude, and 100% condescending. it even sounds like the child-like rant or rhyme that scarred us oh so long ago. he's bashing us. 100%.

next topic.

[iAMtheMA!]

My interpretation of the lyrics is based more on intuition. I took a look at the satanic website. To choose to follow something like that, is simply beyond (or below) me. I'd say more, but it leaves an awful feeling in the pit of my stomach.
There is always light and love to find, but only you can deny it.

see: luciferian rebellion

intuition? sounds like opposites to me.

[eslupminoyler]

I find light and love just as much as anyone else. I just don't pretend there's light and love where there isn't. You clearly didn't look at the site very well, if you went to look at the Satanic Rules Of The Earth, or The Satanic Sins, you would see that it is in fact the church of common sense, for the most part. LaVey Satanists don't even worship Satan, or any other figure, Satan is used as a symbol for anti-Christianity, in a way.

Oh yes, and you seem to be hinting that Satanists are 'below' you? Lets think for a second, are there any other people in history who thought people of a certain religion were below them?


Have to think about that one, huh?

If you find light and love, but you choose to deny what some would say is the source of that very light and love, where might I ask do you find it? For all things have a beginning, and all beginnings have an inception, which in turn have a source.
No I didn't look at the site very well. It made me feel like I had an anchor tied to me, and I was in ocean of malevolence; hence, I left. Common sense doesn't exist; it is habit and survival which teach us not to put our hand on a burning stove, or walk in the street during rush hour. If common sense existed; I'd say, "it is common sense not to worship, or align yourself to evil."
Why do you say it is anti-christian? You do realize that 90% of religions have a malevolent personification. I assure you, I'm not insulting your intelligence, just questioning what pain or suffering have lead you to an intentional bleak present.

Sure, I've seen the hypocrisy of the religion Christianity. People are flawed, imperfect, and beautiful which are all components of things we create, Christianity included. However, most of us do not worship the idol that is Christianity, we worship Yahweh, and follow Jesus. Is it possible Jesus might be a deranged man? sure.
"Blessed are they that believe without seeing."

[eslupminoyler]

I find light and love just as much as anyone else. I just don't pretend there's light and love where there isn't. You clearly didn't look at the site very well, if you went to look at the Satanic Rules Of The Earth, or The Satanic Sins, you would see that it is in fact the church of common sense, for the most part. LaVey Satanists don't even worship Satan, or any other figure, Satan is used as a symbol for anti-Christianity, in a way.

Oh yes, and you seem to be hinting that Satanists are 'below' you? Lets think for a second, are there any other people in history who thought people of a certain religion were below them?


Have to think about that one, huh?

satanists might be below me or above me. if being as such, were to say, make me pious, I wouldn't do it. to me the greatest sin is sinning with knowledge and intent to better oneself, and gloating over the process.

[duncang]

I will reply to this when you sort out your grammar so I can understand what you're actually trying to say.

[kieran walsh]

pointing out flaws in organised religion is like shooting huge fish in a tiny barrell, especially on a forum like this that claims to hold sway as a filter from the THRASH.....jesus people, get creative, get the left side motoring. being irish, having tool play here in november is just, just, JUST

[eslupminoyler]

I will reply to this when you sort out your grammar so I can understand what you're actually trying to say.

I do apologize. I will try not to be vague or indirect this time.

Yahweh is Hebrew for love, also the original name of God, unless you recall Ahura Mazda. Now if God truly is love, which I feel personally is the best empirical description available, how can you feel love if you go against Yahweh?

That'd be like saying you are apathetic to life, but very caring as well. So if you are partially loving and capable of loving, why shut the rest of your being off to the entirety of that perfection?

You know I can understand being anti-christian, just as long as you oppose the flawed religous part, for Christ was as perfect a human as can be, as far as we know. The belief part of it states he is the Son of God, or the Son of Man. I definitely dabbled in self-worship and of a more selfish and evil way. It was just empty, and the journey back to love and light forced me to confront demons, and in some ways actually fight them. I was never alone on the journey back. I slowly became one and "breathed in union" with that Holy Benevolence. THe demons came in the form of repression, self-deprecation, apathy, vanity, dissatisfaction, and failure. They also resulted from choosing to leave God, and his solace and unconditionality.

Everyone has a different path, this is just mine. Hopefully you will find your way back to the source. The chills explain truth behind spirituality and unconditional love. To me that love takes an ethereal and personfied form, but not to everyone, like buddhists. Which is fine, because all paths of righteousness converge at the same cornerstone.

[eternalnuisance.com]

I never thought of that, but now that I think about, it.......
solid fucking gold

[PriceisRight]

if the originating post is right..it would fit into the idea that this song has alot to do with his mom. You know...her religion was a strong base in his life...and he is second guessing his views on it.

[eternalnuisance.com]

Jesus had a lot to offer, I think he may be looking into the actual message of Jesus, and not the monstrosity that is mainstream christianity. Emotive (I know, people hate it blah blah) to me was sort of a turning point, where he looked around and saw nothing but death and destruction, I think a lot of this 10,000 days is about that as well.

[eslupminoyler]

Jesus had a lot to offer, I think he may be looking into the actual message of Jesus, and not the monstrosity that is mainstream christianity. Emotive (I know, people hate it blah blah) to me was sort of a turning point, where he looked around and saw nothing but death and destruction, I think a lot of this 10,000 days is about that as well.

Yes Sir that is it

[eslupminoyler]

From the very foundations of this world, the human understanding searched for any form of absolute truth, unconditional love, unconditional comfort, any inkling of omniscience, incorruptible benevolence and incorruptible malevolence. I'm not saying Jesus possessed any of those qualities, that is on the belief side (which does not require validation or empirical evidence/experimental power). He did preach fervently and with skill the axioms of the universe, in such a way, that makes rapists, murderers, and idolaters fall to their knees for absolution and forgiveness, even in our present day. All other paths besides that which leads to light and righteousness dead-end, or worse yet, continue into darkness, confusion, deceit, licentiousness, perversion, forgetfullness, inversion, and lust without love.
Christians believe Jesus is a savior, and the Son of both God and Man. Everyone, no matter, what their belief, should see Jesus as a model of how to find purity and be alive.
So why is Christianity in many ways a gigantic lie? There is also evil in this world, and what better way for it to gain sway, than to corrupt the greatest spark of all that is good.

[erudianart]

kinda late on a reply but i remember maynard saying in an interview (the one on MTV in the Opiate days) that he usually thinks hard about what he doesn't like about people and then turns that around to himself...