Tour complaints -- brokers, scalping, etc. (merged)

[moneyisevil]

So whats the deal with brokers already selling tickets for shows that havent gone on sale yet?

http://www.ticketliquidator.com/tix/Tickets.aspx?evtid=383078

This broker is selling approx. 40-50 tickets (good seats too) to a show that hasnt gone on sale yet!!! Whats up with that?

[moneyisevil]

to shows that havent yet go on sale?!~?!?

So whats the deal with brokers already selling tickets for shows that havent gone on sale yet?

For example, Camden, NJ:

http://www.ticketliquidator.com/tix/Tickets.aspx?evtid=383078

This broker is selling approx. 40-50 tickets (good seats too) to a show that hasnt gone on sale yet!!! Whats up with that?

[yossaricat]

tell the toolband website

[HOTSAUCEMAN]

So whats the deal with brokers already selling tickets for shows that havent gone on sale yet?

http://www.ticketliquidator.com/tix/Tickets.aspx?evtid=383078

This broker is selling approx. 40-50 tickets (good seats too) to a show that hasnt gone on sale yet!!! Whats up with that?


i'm no expert on this sort of thing... but from what i gather... ticketmaster sets aside blocks of some of the best seats in the house for brokers. the brokers pay a premium price for the tickets and then resell them at a higher cost depending on the demand. i'm clueless as to how this is in fact legal... considering that some of these tickets can easily get into the thousands of dollars for a pair... well over what you'd pay through ticketmaster.
i don't know... but it just doesn't seem legal to me... maybe someone here has a bit more insight on how this system has been set up.

[moneyisevil]

i think its quite sad and fucked up that no one cares

[yossaricat]

i emailed it to blair

[moneyisevil]

i emailed it to everyone on toolarmy and toolband, but to note THIS IS NOT THE ONLY WEBSITE that is selling tickets for TOUR DATES not yet onsale to the public...its funny how people on this website care about stupid and lame shit, but dont give a fuck about this kinda shit

[yossaricat]

here in ny, it has been this way forever. i learned this pretty early and figure out ways around it. i show up way early to ticketmaster or (prefferably) the venues box office. if i fail. then i keep checking with the venue or ticketmaster for released tickets. it sucks, i know. but it is rare for me not to be able to get face value tickets. i never rely on ticket sales through the internet or telephone.

[YURAKAPTIV]

the brokers are garaunteed a certain # of tix,so they can sell them in advance,kinda like preordering an album.I think I'm gonna look into this ticket brokering thing.Hell you could sell them for way less than those ticket firms do and still come out good,plus you'd always have the best tickets and you could hook up people close to you.

[transcend187]

They just know that they're gonna be able to buy certain numbers of tix because they have so many people working for them.

[slicknickshady]

Nothing you can do.

[moneyisevil]

so as i said i sent an email to everyone i could at TA and Toolband including the band, and then each individual member...maynard surprisingly returned my email here it is:


On Jul 16, 2006, at 3:37 PM, [email protected] wrote:

http://www.ticketliquidator.com/tix/Tickets.aspx?evtid=383078

already for Camden NJ, whose tickets havent go onsale to the public yet, and there have somewhere around 40-50 tickets already set aside!!

what the fuck!!!!!!!

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mjk
<[email protected]> to me
More options 7:03 pm(1 hour ago)
yep.
and there are about 10, 000 other tickets for sale.
so buy those and don't worry about the other 50 or 100 or 200. whatever.



www.caduceus.org

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kinda confused by his reply, as i cant tell if hes telling me to support the brokers and but theirs, or just buy the tickets from ticketmonster instead and not worry about the brokers....i think its funny he also plugged his wine website

[moneyisevil]

so as i said i sent an email to everyone i could at TA and Toolband including the band, and then each individual member...maynard surprisingly returned my email here it is:


On Jul 16, 2006, at 3:37 PM, [email protected] wrote:

http://www.ticketliquidator.com/tix/Tickets.aspx?evtid=383078

already for Camden NJ, whose tickets havent go onsale to the public yet, and there have somewhere around 40-50 tickets already set aside!!

what the fuck!!!!!!!

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mjk
<[email protected]> to me
More options 7:03 pm(1 hour ago)
yep.
and there are about 10, 000 other tickets for sale.
so buy those and don't worry about the other 50 or 100 or 200. whatever.



www.caduceus.org

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kinda confused by his reply, as i cant tell if hes telling me to support the brokers and but theirs, or just buy the tickets from ticketmonster instead and not worry about the brokers....i think its funny he also plugged his wine website

[slicknickshady]

so as i said i sent an email to everyone i could at TA and Toolband including the band, and then each individual member...maynard surprisingly returned my email here it is:


On Jul 16, 2006, at 3:37 PM, [email protected] wrote:

http://www.ticketliquidator.com/tix/Tickets.aspx?evtid=383078

already for Camden NJ, whose tickets havent go onsale to the public yet, and there have somewhere around 40-50 tickets already set aside!!

what the fuck!!!!!!!

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mjk
<[email protected]> to me
More options 7:03 pm(1 hour ago)
yep.
and there are about 10, 000 other tickets for sale.
so buy those and don't worry about the other 50 or 100 or 200. whatever.



www.caduceus.org

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kinda confused by his reply, as i cant tell if hes telling me to support the brokers and but theirs, or just buy the tickets from ticketmonster instead and not worry about the brokers....i think its funny he also plugged his wine website

Thats awesome that he replied man.. He's saying buy the ones from ticketmaster outlets. He's saying theres about 10,000 for sale at ticketmaster outlets or online and dont worry about the 200 or so tickets from the brokers.

[Zhelives]

When the hell will tickets go on sale anyway?

[moneyisevil]

Thats awesome that he replied man.. He's saying buy the ones from ticketmaster outlets. He's saying theres about 10,000 for sale at ticketmaster outlets or online and dont worry about the 200 or so tickets from the brokers.

yeah but i thought he'd be more outraged, i guess he really doesnt care :(

but it sucks that even though that one site is only selling 50 tickets, there are probably anywhere from 50-100 brokers doing the same thing which could possibly mean 5,000 people are gonna get fucked

if i am one of those 5,000 people, mjk you are gonna get an angry email!!!!!!

and no one knows when tickets go onsale for the camden show, but you can visit the site i mentioned in my first post and buy some good tickets for a crazy price

[CCD]

His off-handed reply makes me think that the band management is providing these tickets to the brokers. Perhaps they reserve a block of tickets for brokers to make additional money off of the show. Maybe they get a percentage of whatever the brokers can get for the tickets. It wouldn't surprise me.

[blood_wh0re]

that's a funny fucking email reply...

and I don't think that people don't care, it's just like anything else that's fucked up and beyond your control: DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. relax. Don't support the scalpers. Don't give them your money. Don't allow them to look you in the eye. Don't permit them to walk past you down any street without spitting on them. Maybe focus your energy on things that you can change. There are far worse things that people do for money.


www.bloodwhoreluxeryitemsforsale.com

[moneyisevil]

His off-handed reply makes me think that the band management is providing these tickets to the brokers. Perhaps they reserve a block of tickets for brokers to make additional money off of the show. Maybe they get a percentage of whatever the brokers can get for the tickets. It wouldn't surprise me.


yeah either that, or he really thinks that because their is "10,000" tickets available then every fan is bound to get one....well as of right now this is the only show for philly, nyc, ny, and ct....so im sure this is gonna be a bitch to get tickets to

[oneredflag]

Oakland is on that site as well... funny though they are shitty seats.

[moneyisevil]

but they are still seats....

[CCD]

yeah either that, or he really thinks that because their is "10,000" tickets available then every fan is bound to get one....well as of right now this is the only show for philly, nyc, ny, and ct....so im sure this is gonna be a bitch to get tickets to
Well, they don't sell out every show. I remember on the last tour (in Minnesota?) that a few shows got cancelled due to poor ticket sales. I went to see them in Vegas, and there were pretty significant parts of the Thomas and Mack Center that were covered with the black drapes that they put up when entire sections are empty......

[moneyisevil]

Well, they don't sell out every show. I remember on the last tour (in Minnesota?) that a few shows got cancelled due to poor ticket sales. I went to see them in Vegas, and there were pretty significant parts of the Thomas and Mack Center that were covered with the black drapes that they put up when entire sections are empty......

yeah but thats NEVER the case in NY or the surrounding areas....i mean its tough enough to ge ttix to NYC shows cuz everyone from philly area/NJ/CT/even baltimore
are trying to get tix

so imagine lets say the arena holds 20,000 people, there are going to be atleast 40-50,000 (im probably underestamating) trying to get tix

i mean im not really bitching, im just saying that 5,000 extra seats are 5,000 extra seats in a scenario like this

[pryedopen]

Anyone notice how there seems to be two shows at Camden. If you shop around the ticket brokers, there are tickets with a time that is TBA, and also tickets for a show that starts at 12:00 AM. What's the deal with that... I can't get a read on it... is it some kind of cool tool thing or just a mistake...

[Zlerf]

maybe email him back and say 'give me tickets fo free' haha j/k


I think he was saying buy them from ticketmaster

[armmar]

I'm guessing a mistake...Screw the ticket brokers and just be patient...Tickets haven't even gone on sale yet and brokers are selling lawn seats for $100..Ridiculous....You can get lawn seats or any other seats for that matter when they are sold on Ticketmaster...Hell, I got Orchestra seats for the City Center show on the day of the show!

I think Ticketmaster just releases different tickets at different times...I typed in a request for Illinois tickets today cause I wanted to see how tickets were selling so I can determine how they would be when these came out, and I got floor seats!

So just be patient...Everyone who really wants to go, will get to go

<3 Armando

[moneyisevil]

zlerf, the car i bought has a bumper stick that has ur signature written on it with a dragon....never bothered to take it off

anyways, yeah it seems like he doesnt really care

[yossaricat]

10,000 tickets!!! ZOMFG!!!

[Zlerf]

zlerf, the car i bought has a bumper stick that has ur signature written on it with a dragon....never bothered to take it off

anyways, yeah it seems like he doesnt really care


hahah that awesome. I don't know, listing to some of the bootlegs from the last tour it seems at some shows he was really feeling the music, and at others he was like 'oh well here we go again' Maybe he isn;t getting ass enough (i'd cure that for him, then sneak off without breakfast)? I doubt many people get a reply from him, so maybe he does care. Just not enough to lose the ego.

[sonnyboy11]

Not sure about other venues, but two venues I can think of locally, the Hollywood Bowl and the Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre, have subscription seats where the buyer gets tickets or at least rights to purchase tickets for ALL events. There is a good chance that the broker in question either a) owns the subscription to the seats and then re-sells at a premium, or b) purchases the seats from the subscriber through a third party and then re-sells them. I used to work for a ticket broker making deliveries and that's how it was explained to me.

[moneyisevil]

10,000 tickets!!! ZOMFG!!!


yeah i didnt think of that lol

[CCD]

Not sure about other venues, but two venues I can think of locally, the Hollywood Bowl and the Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre, have subscription seats where the buyer gets tickets or at least rights to purchase tickets for ALL events. There is a good chance that the broker in question either a) owns the subscription to the seats and then re-sells at a premium, or b) purchases the seats from the subscriber through a third party and then re-sells them. I used to work for a ticket broker making deliveries and that's how it was explained to me.
would have been nice if Maynard had pulled the corncob out of his pussy and explained this like you do (I have little doubt that he knows the business well enough to know this.)

[moneyisevil]

he was just probably looking at porn and happened to check his email immieo

edit: cuz thats what i was doing

[sonnyboy11]

he was just probably looking at porn and happened to check his email immieo

edit: cuz thats what i was doing

Ditto!

But then I am not Maynard eh? At least, last time I looked. I doubt he knows much about it. Just the fact he responded is cool.

[slicknickshady]

It happens to every band. The band has no choice in the matter.

[ladycommish]

I saw some for $125 on the green, GA for Denver... big deal. GA green will still be there after they go on sale, but if people want to pay that price to secure a ticket, whatever.

[Dolophane]

I don't think that people don't care, it's just like anything else that's fucked up and beyond your control: DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
See, that's the thing. It's not beyond their control. I really don't think they give a shit, and I think Maynard's response confirms that.

Tool is at a level of stardom where they can basically give their fans a big "fuck you" and they will still hit the top of the charts and sell out shows. They are famous enough now to rely solely on band loyalty to keep the money rolling in.

Tom Waits' tour next month, for example. His shows sell out right quick (he's actually playing here in Chicago the same place I saw Tool at), but the shows are Will Call, which means that only people actually buying the tickets will get in. Meaning no scalping.

These are simple measures to take to protect your fans from getting screwed over price, and so I reiterate: Tool doesn't care about their fans. Not that I care, I got into the last show for free and I ain't going to this one. I just wish to correct the view that it's "beyond their control."

[moneyisevil]

i agree ^ they have some sort of control

[slicknickshady]

I really don't think they give a shit, and I think Maynard's response confirms that.

Tool is at a level of stardom where they can basically give their fans a big "fuck you" and they will still hit the top of the charts and sell out shows. They are famous enough now to rely solely on band loyalty to keep the money rolling in.

the shows are Will Call, which means that only people actually buying the tickets will get in. Meaning no scalping.

These are simple measures to take to protect your fans from getting screwed over price, and so I reiterate: Tool doesn't care about their fans.

LMFAO

Please, they dont sell out all arena shows. ask money he's been to more arena tool shows then i have. the one i went to was not sold out. You think thats a simple measure the will call thing? Ask pearl jam. They were so against ticketmaster that they quit using it and guess what? They went back to it. Tool are not that famous. They are the most known unknown.

Jesus christ.

BOOO HOOO Cry Some More Dolophane. Money you should email mjk Dolophanes post.

[yossaricat]

See, that's the thing. It's not beyond their control. I really don't think they give a shit, and I think Maynard's response confirms that.

Tool is at a level of stardom where they can basically give their fans a big "fuck you" and they will still hit the top of the charts and sell out shows. They are famous enough now to rely solely on band loyalty to keep the money rolling in.

Tom Waits' tour next month, for example. His shows sell out right quick (he's actually playing here in Chicago the same place I saw Tool at), but the shows are Will Call, which means that only people actually buying the tickets will get in. Meaning no scalping.

These are simple measures to take to protect your fans from getting screwed over price, and so I reiterate: Tool doesn't care about their fans. Not that I care, I got into the last show for free and I ain't going to this one. I just wish to correct the view that it's "beyond their control."


what venue did you see tool in. was it an arena? will call would be a disaster for an arena imo.

[slicknickshady]

will call would be a disaster for an arena imo.

Co-sign.

[moneyisevil]

every surrounding nyc arena such as madison square, nassua colesium, always sell out regardless of who plays really just because its nyc, but i cant say the same (cuz i dont know the facts) about other parts of the USA....but yeah tool does sell out quickly in tne tri-state (ny/nj/ct) area and that is a fact

EDIT: BY GAWD THE CARNAGE!@!!!!

[slicknickshady]

every surrounding nyc arena such as madison square, nassua colesium, always sell out regardless of who plays really just because its nyc, but i cant say the same (cuz i dont know the facts) about other parts of the USA....but yeah tool does sell out quickly in tne tri-state (ny/nj/ct) area and that is a fact

EDIT: BY GAWD THE CARNAGE!@!!!!


yeah i figured nyc area, la area, and chicago area sell out.

[blood_wh0re]

The "you" I was referring to isn't TOOL, but the original poster. I was saying that it's beyond his control, so he should just breathe the breath of life and relax.

and about TooL "not caring".....specifically and not in general:
why the fuck should they care? what the fuck should they care about? why, simply as one of the brand's consumers, do you feel so entitled? and to what do you feel so entitled to?

Curiousity killed the cat, you know.

Touring is good business.
When the members of TOOL signed on the dotted line comfiring their participation in this tour they sign up to participate in a capitalist machine that trades in the commodity of the so-called "it" factor, their ability to command you to want to see them.
For you to want to look/listen to them they use a combination of glamour, intrigue and sympathy.
Then they charge you up the ass for tickets to attend one of their apperances.
Middlemen interfere and charge you even more money.
Then, to satisfy the voyeur, you give someone your money and smile.
OR, you don't give anyone your money and stay at home, crying and bitching.

Idealism doesn't expand the brand.

At least TOOL don't pander by doing porn, in-stores or product endorsements...or is that only because they don't REALLY care about you.

[GeorgeinNY]

like someone said, season subscriptions at Camden is likely where the tickets are coming from. Maynard prob. didnt know that (if that was him). and bands do care or they wouldnt be waging the constant battle vs scalpers, would they?

[moneyisevil]

all i have to say is that some bands are fan-friendly such as pearl jam (and dont give me that "well they are not tool"...cuz really? i didnt know pearl jam wasnt tool!) who come up with innovative ideas to stop the scalping industry from grabbing a strangehold on consumers

these ideas include the will-call thing, fan-club presales, and not going through ticketmaster (who gives away free tickets to clients and brokers)

im not asking tool to suck my dick, im asking them to make it a little less hectic when it comes to ticket sales esp. in areas that are really populated...is that too much to ask?

[yossaricat]

At least TOOL don't pander by doing porn, in-stores or product endorsements...or is that only because they don't REALLY care about you.

bikini bandits? mr. show? (considered porn in the south)

[slicknickshady]

all i have to say is that some bands are fan-friendly such as pearl jam who come up with innovative ideas to stop the scalping industry from grabbing a strangehold on consumers

these ideas include the will-call thing, fan-club presales, and not going through ticketmaster (who gives away free tickets to clients and brokers)

im not asking tool to suck my dick, im asking them to make it a little less hectic when it comes to ticket sales esp. in areas that are really populated...is that too much to ask?

Pearl Jam uses ticketmaster now. They lost money after they quit using TM so they went back to TM.

[yossaricat]

money it really isn't that hard to get tickets. do you work on saturdays?

[moneyisevil]

i have dealt with numerous concerts (even within the past few weeks) where ticketmonster locks up and the server fucks up and here i am without tickets to numerous concerts.....and im not the only one....maybe u have a special computer?

[yossaricat]

read my previous post on how to get tickets. DO NOT i repeat DO NOT rely on the internet or phone. either go to the venue (if possible) or go to a ticketmaster outlet. go there very early. it may seem ridiculous. but you know what? if people are willing to pay exhorbitant amounts of money for a show, do not expect it to be easy to obtain tickets. you know already that i agree with your thinking; these brokers are a bullshit situation. but instead of crying about how ticketmaser freezes up i figure out a way to procure tickets.

[blood_wh0re]

Correct me, pretty please, if I am wrong

but it seems to me that the whole ToolArmy presale bullshit of creating an elitist TooL concert-going merchandise-buying society for those willing to pay the extra money for the alleged benefits is not an example of the band "caring".

especially because there are no presales

Scalpers manage to scalp loads of tikcets to will call only shows. They're pros.
In my experience, I remember way back when billy pumpkin was closing the main shop he tried to do will call only and here, in Toronto, scalpers where waving tickets around in front of the venue. so...
brockers have contracts with arenas, management companies, promoters, ect ad nauseum

blah blah blah

so, what specifically and not in general do you suggest be done in order to make you feel spiritually validated by TooL during this tour?

[yossaricat]

so, what specifically and not in general do you suggest be done in order to make you feel spiritually validated by TooL during this tour?

if you seek spiritual validation through a rock band then you are s.o.l. before you even begin.

[moneyisevil]

what is s.o.i and im not seeking spiritual validation..just a fair chance to obtain tickets thats all

[moneyisevil]

and if scalpers/brokers are increasing every year, then all i ask in return is some sort of way to combat them

[yossaricat]

s.o.l.=shit outta luck.

i've given you methods to beat them already.

[Dolophane]

and if scalpers/brokers are increasing every year, then all i ask in return is some sort of way to combat them
This is what I'm talking about. You can tell the bands that care about their fans from the ones who don't by what they have tried. Pearl Jam, as was stated, at least tried leaving Ticketmaster to make it easier on their fans.

I'm not saying all Tool's shows should be will-call (at least not this tour), just that they have an attitude that is more empathetic than "Tough luck." And yossaricat, I saw Tool at the Auditorium Theatre during the pre-tour. You will note that they did not offer any will-call for any of the 'intimate setting' shows.

And I'm not upset about the fact that they don't care about their fans. The Tool fans are a source of steady income for 'em and I understand that there's no need for them to really care. They know that they will continue to buy products and go to shows just because it's branded as a Tool experience. I just find it silly that people are defending their actions by saying people aren't trying hard enough to get tickets or that it's out of the band's control.

[GeorgeinNY]

fan club tickets do work, so does will call. Or just print name on ticket and make person going in show i.d. I dont know about your Toronto example, but Springsteen does it now, Pearl Jam to some extent with their 10C tickets, these bands are doing something and it is working. The mini-tour Tool should have done something to limit scalping but I guess they blew it off for the most part. A lot of people had to pay a lot of money to get in, I think its unfortunate, makes bad blood between fans and the band and Im sure the band doesnt want/need a lot of pissed off fans.

edit: "Tool fans are a source of steady income for 'em and I understand that there's no need for them to really care."
there is a need for them to care, otherwise they are gonna be fucked as a band in short order, believe me you get enough disillusioned fans pretty soon you will have plenty of empty seats at the shows.

BTW- since we are on the topic any predictions on sell-outs/attendance for the tour?

[sianspheric]

Guys....

quit your whining.

1. Maynard, or whomever sent that reply.....just outright is conceeding that the entire ticketmaster system is fucked and yeah sometimes tickets go to ticket brokers and.....so be it. He is too busy conjuring lipan's to get on the phone to band management to...change the system.

2. If you don't get tickets, its not the end of the world. Seeing Tool do that shite setlist isnt the kind of life changing live experience you would have seen in 1996 or 2001.

[maxthruput]

Tool do not care about its fans. Pre-sale tickets? No! Tape shows? No! Maynard face the crowd? No! Music Still Good? No! The feeling is mutual.

[Seven Deep]

or go to a ticketmaster outlet. go there very early.

That might work if you live near a TM outlet in the middle of nowhere, but any place, for instance, within 80 miles of Chicago ends up doing the ticket lottery, which scalpers seem to have a way of tyaking advantage of too.

[Seven Deep]

2. If you don't get tickets, its not the end of the world. Seeing Tool do that shite setlist isnt the kind of life changing live experience you would have seen in 1996 or 2001.

That's about where I'm at. I'm not interested in hearing all of 10,000 Days plus 3 or 4 songs I like.

[slicknickshady]

It's still a life changing experience, dont doubt that for a seconds

[Seven Deep]

You live in Jackson. A trip to Bestbuy is a life changing experience.

[slicknickshady]

You live in Jackson. A trip to Bestbuy is a life changing experience.


Tool still plays the same songs, Just wait till the arena tour before you compare setlists from 1996-2001. Go through all the tours since 1992. The mini-your plays almost the same setlist everynight like this did this one.

[eulogys]

You will note that they did not offer any will-call for any of the 'intimate setting' shows.

Wrong, they had will call at the Boston show.

As far as brokers getting tickets before they go on sale, most of those are tickets that are put aside for the promoter and the venue. They weren't even going to be available for sale, so you were never going to get those tickets anyways. How do you think the same radio stations are always giving away front row seats to every concert that comes to town? Do you think they wait in a line for tickets to go on sale and are just lucky enough to ALWAYS get front row? NO. They get them from either the promoter or from the venue. And for your information, most brokers and scalpers pool their tickets, so even though there might be 20+ different sites all selling 50 tickets each doesn't mean there are 1000+ tickets in the hands of brokers. I noticed this during the May shows.

You also have those people, as stated by sonnyboy11, who might have a subscription plan with the venue for the same seats to ALL shows at the venue in question. Even though they might not want to see a particular show, they'll buy the tickets for a show and sell them to a broker, and since that person already knows what seats he's going to have, the broker can then put the seats on sale before the actual on-sale date. Either way, those tickets were never going to be released to the general public, so you were never going to have access to those tickets.

As far as trying to do will-call only shows and having to show ID, that’s the worst
fucking idea I've ever heard of. Here are my reasons behind it:
1. What if the person who bought the tickets dies before the actual show, how do you get the tickets?
2. What if the person who buys the tickets can't make the show due to a family emergency?
3. What if you don't have a credit card?
4. If you want to buy 4 tickets to a show, do you have to give the names of the all the people who are going? And what if 1 of those people decides he/she can't make it because of reason 1 or 2?
5. What if your out the night before the show and have your wallet or purse stolen, including the credit card you used to purchase the tickets? No show for you and your friends.

When I buy tickets, I want the tickets in my hands ASAP.

[Zlerf]

When I buy tickets, I want the tickets in my hands ASAP.


I agree with that 100% at least if I a bus stuck in my lung crossing the street one of my friends can use my tickets and celebrate my honor at the show. I dont want to lose my ID and not be able to go. (believe it or not, I lose my DL on a daily basis)

[GeorgeinNY]

They had will call at City Center too, but that was only option, not requiered. When I got my ticket it was will call only because it was only 1 week prior to show so I think those tickets were will call only.

As for club tickets look at PJ 10 Club, you pick up tickets about 1 hour before the show, and the ticket is in your name, you need id to pick them up. Same with Springsteen - best seats is will call and you need 2 id, and you have to go in straight in to the show.
The world cup just passed had a pretty inticate system, they covered all your points, including death certificates, letters to the organizers etc. you had to show your passport/id to get in the game, you had your ticket ahead of time, your name was printed on the ticket, thats how they checked. If you decided you couldnt go you actually had to notify them ahead of time and your friend would get a new ticket printed in his name.

[blair's man sausage]

Tool are not that famous. They are the most known unknown.

.

stfu, that's why they were headlining many of the festivals...makes sense.

[sianspheric]

It's still a life changing experience, dont doubt that for a seconds

no dude....I'm sorry.

maybe like seeing Tool at Red Rocks in 2002 with Krimson might have been. Or Coachella in 99, or the club tour in 96.

but now.......eh. Let's make a deal, if Tool does the tour people want to see (2 + hours, showcasing 10k, Aenima, Lateralus, etc evenly).....then I will declere you lord and master of the universe. Somehow I just cant see the Fall tour being dramatically different. Sure we might see Wings/10,000 Days, but personally....that won't impress me, playing those tunes is expected.

Bringing back Parabola, Pushit, The Grudge, Third Eye, Eulogy, for the new generation of fans who obsess over those tunes as much as many of us did a bunch of years ago....would impress me.

[blair's man sausage]

i don't doubt for a second we'll have a vastly different soundlist for the stadium/arena tours

[slicknickshady]

no dude....I'm sorry.

maybe like seeing Tool at Red Rocks in 2002 with Krimson might have been. Or Coachella in 99, or the club tour in 96.

but now.......eh. Let's make a deal, if Tool does the tour people want to see (2 + hours, showcasing 10k, Aenima, Lateralus, etc evenly).....then I will declere you lord and master of the universe. Somehow I just cant see the Fall tour being dramatically different. Sure we might see Wings/10,000 Days, but personally....that won't impress me, playing those tunes is expected.

Bringing back Parabola, Pushit, The Grudge, Third Eye, Eulogy, for the new generation of fans who obsess over those tunes as much as many of us did a bunch of years ago....would impress me.

I got into tool in 2002 and my favorite Tool songs are Pushit, Eulogy, and H. I really think they will play H instead of 46 & 2 and Prison Sex instead of Sober. If i go to enough shows eventually i will hear Pushit and Eulogy.

We will get a vastly different setlist. Your just in denial probably hoping they dont because your not going.

[AMF]

See, that's the thing. It's not beyond their control. I really don't think they give a shit, and I think Maynard's response confirms that.

Tool is at a level of stardom where they can basically give their fans a big "fuck you" and they will still hit the top of the charts and sell out shows. They are famous enough now to rely solely on band loyalty to keep the money rolling in.

Tom Waits' tour next month, for example. His shows sell out right quick (he's actually playing here in Chicago the same place I saw Tool at), but the shows are Will Call, which means that only people actually buying the tickets will get in. Meaning no scalping.

These are simple measures to take to protect your fans from getting screwed over price, and so I reiterate: Tool doesn't care about their fans. Not that I care, I got into the last show for free and I ain't going to this one. I just wish to correct the view that it's "beyond their control."

Yup, but I can't blame them. The majority of their fans are morons, and whatever messages they've been trying to get across have already reached and made an impact on as many people as there's gonna be, so now they might as well pad their wallets to make a comfortable living. It's a buisness, live with it. They gives us a great product, we give back to them. They could have it differently, evidently they don't want to. Besides, with the music and packages alone it's worth it for me personally. I agree though that they could put more effort in, but they are human just like all of us, they are not any more special (aside from their musical talents). If any of us were in their situation I'm sure we'd do the same, take the money and go make a good life for ourselves and our family's. Tool don't OWE the fans anything.

[toocooltool]

The funny thing is.. when they are touring in novemeber.. i want a broker to sell them on a site like that, so i can pay for vip access :)

[AMF]

We will get a vastly different setlist. Your just in denial probably hoping they dont because your not going.

I'm sorry, but no. He's right. The only possible major deviation from the spring/summer shows would be the addition of Wings & 10,000 Days. I also expect (at some point) to see Intension played. They might make Opiate a part of the standard set as well, and perhaps add in a song like Parabola as well, but don't go in thinking we're gonna see songs like Flood, Eulogy, Third Eye, Sweat, The Grudge, etc rotated in. This is unfortunate, but it's pretty much a reality. Unless as of now they are busing rehearsing, which we all pretty much know they are not.

[Seven Deep]

Tool don't OWE the fans anything.


Sorry, but if you're going to pull the hyper-capitalist card in favor of Tool, you can't end the paragraph saying that.

Business is 100% about owing your customer what they paid for.


If you pay Ford or Honda $20,000 for a vehicle, you should expect it to function exactly as advertised.

If you pay a company $600,000 to build your house....they owe you something that meets your realistic expectations.

If you pay a band $50 (or in some cases $300) for a ticket, and rake in a collective $300,000 or more from the audience, they had better come prepared to blow your fucking mind.

You pay 8 bucks for your tickets, expect maybe to be impressed by the beer selection at the venue.

Funny thing is, it's usually the bands charging 8 or 10 bucks for admission doing the real work.

Bands owe their fans a good performance, and to be treated like people at the venue. Most of us aren't asking for freindship and a tour of their house.

Tool have catered to a somewhat intelligent audience their entire career. If you're at the stage in your bands life where you feel like you can just walk out and expect accolades, then the people that made them millionaires have a right to gripe.

[AMF]

Sorry, but if you're going to pull the hyper-capitalist card in favor of Tool, you can't end the paragraph saying that.


If you pay Ford or Honda $20,000 for a vehicle, you should expect it to function exactly as advertised.

If you pay a company $600,000 to build your house....they owe you something that meets your realistic expectations.

If you pay a band $50 (or in some cases $300) for a ticket, and rake in a collective $300,000 or more from the audience, they had better come prepared to blow your fucking mind.

You pay 8 bucks for your tickets, expect maybe to be impressed by the beer selection at the venue.

Funny thing is, it's usually the bands charging 8 or 10 bucks for admission doing the real work.

Bands owe their fans a good performance, and to be treated like people at the venue. Most of us aren't asking for freindship and a tour of their house.

Tool have catered to a somewhat intelligent audience their entire career. If you're at the stage in your bands life where you feel like you can just walk out and expect accolades, then the people that made them millionaires have a right to gripe.

Personally, tickets last time cost me $320, and I was blown away by their live performances. I spent another $90 on merchandise, 2 shirts which are great and an awesome 50x50 full color poster. They gave me my money's worth, so what more can I ask for? I felt like I was treated well at the concert, there were even attendants and everything (I know this is the venue's doing, standard operating procedure, but still), and the band put on a stellar performance that I throroughly enjoyed and will always have fond memories of. Their music has brought me so much joy and happines sinto my life and has helped me in so many ways. Tool owes me nothing, I owe them nothing. I've bought their records, their shirts, their tickets, and they've delivered just like how I would expect them to. I'm sorry if this isn't the case for others.

[sonnyboy11]

no dude....I'm sorry.

maybe like seeing Tool at Red Rocks in 2002 with Krimson might have been. Or Coachella in 99, or the club tour in 96.

but now.......eh. Let's make a deal, if Tool does the tour people want to see (2 + hours, showcasing 10k, Aenima, Lateralus, etc evenly).....then I will declere you lord and master of the universe. Somehow I just cant see the Fall tour being dramatically different. Sure we might see Wings/10,000 Days, but personally....that won't impress me, playing those tunes is expected.

Bringing back Parabola, Pushit, The Grudge, Third Eye, Eulogy, for the new generation of fans who obsess over those tunes as much as many of us did a bunch of years ago....would impress me.

no dude, I'm sorry. Why the hell would they want to retread that old material when they have a brilliant new album to play? I do not have much interest in seeing them do the old stuff (it's nice and all) and I never saw them before this tour. All I mainly want to hear is 10,000 Days. Whether that puts me in a minority of Tool fans or not makes no difference because my way of thinking is what is in line with the band's way of thinking. I don't want a 'greatest hits' tour and they are not going to do one. period

edit- actually, this theatre tour they just did had plenty of old material, so I'm not sure what the problem is with some of you who want more. It was already too much for me since they did not play all of 10,000 Days.

[moneyisevil]

Sorry, but if you're going to pull the hyper-capitalist card in favor of Tool, you can't end the paragraph saying that.

Business is 100% about owing your customer what they paid for.


If you pay Ford or Honda $20,000 for a vehicle, you should expect it to function exactly as advertised.

If you pay a company $600,000 to build your house....they owe you something that meets your realistic expectations.

If you pay a band $50 (or in some cases $300) for a ticket, and rake in a collective $300,000 or more from the audience, they had better come prepared to blow your fucking mind.

You pay 8 bucks for your tickets, expect maybe to be impressed by the beer selection at the venue.

Funny thing is, it's usually the bands charging 8 or 10 bucks for admission doing the real work.

Bands owe their fans a good performance, and to be treated like people at the venue. Most of us aren't asking for freindship and a tour of their house.

Tool have catered to a somewhat intelligent audience their entire career. If you're at the stage in your bands life where you feel like you can just walk out and expect accolades, then the people that made them millionaires have a right to gripe.


very well said. I hate when people say "they dont owe you shit" oh really? last time i checked i was a paying customer (consumer) therefore the band (producer) did owe me something......

also, to reiterate what GeorgeinNY says, this will call thing is feasible, as now RHCP are doing that for their fan club presales. If you buy a ticket from the fan club your name is on it and you have to show ID to get your 2-4 tickets you purchased. That right there elminates hundres of scalpers.

Also, this whole "what if i die or lose my license" are you kidding me? The chances of that happening are nill to none. And if that is your reason to help support scalpers, when they live in a bubble and go to the DMV and buy 10 Drivers License. Thats ridiculous in my opinion to throw out unlikely situations to prevent these ideas from working

"but what if i shit my pants and i cant make it to the concert?" well thats your fucken fault buddy. i'm tired of people sympathizing for these dirty no-good scalpers who probably spend peoples hard earned money in horrific/illegal/unjustifiable ways. Why should some dude who has nothing to do with the band make tons of money of people and then you go around and support them or defend their actions. Thats just fucked up.

You are either a part of the problem or part of the solution. By saying "i'm tired of people bitching" then you're just part of the problem cuz you're not trying to help out or compromise new ideas. If TOOL really gave a fuck they'd do the will-call presale thing, or even just a fucken presale on Tool Army, but apparently they cant even do that. Yes I'm bitching, but i think i have a right to. So if you dont like it and want to defends scalpers, then i'm sorry you sympathize for people who are ripping people off instead of other people who enjoy the same music as you in your community.

[blair's man sausage]

if you die you won't care...at least i don't think

[slicknickshady]

I'm sorry, but no. He's right. The only possible major deviation from the spring/summer shows would be the addition of Wings & 10,000 Days. I also expect (at some point) to see Intension played. They might make Opiate a part of the standard set as well, and perhaps add in a song like Parabola as well, but don't go in thinking we're gonna see songs like Flood, Eulogy, Third Eye, Sweat, The Grudge, etc rotated in. This is unfortunate, but it's pretty much a reality. Unless as of now they are busing rehearsing, which we all pretty much know they are not.

DENIAL.

Yes i expect Wings/10,00 Days. I do expect to see H or Prison Sex. I could care less about Sweatm Flood, or Third Eye getting Played. I bet we get one of Pushit of Eulogy as awell. We will see. Remember there going to be touring for the next 3 years so there is plenty of legs and such for them to rotate.

[moneyisevil]

nah probably until middle 07 not 3 more years ur crazy

[slicknickshady]

nah probably until middle 07 not 3 more years ur crazy


Read the new adam jones article. He states "I wish isis could tour with us for the next 3 years".

[AMF]

Read the new adam jones article. He states "I wish isis could tour with us for the next 3 years".

*sigh*

[sianspheric]

you guys are fucking obnoxious sometimes....fackin 'ell

1. For Lateralus.....Tool toured from May 2001 until December 2002. With a few breaks in between. So I dont know where the hell you get this "3 years" BS from. Just because Adam makes some off-hand remark about 3 years with ISIS doesnt make it certain. I would love Jenna Jamison to blow me for "8 months" straight, doesnt mean it is going to happen for even a day. Danny could say "I would totally want to drum with Led Zeppelin for a year, doesnt mean its going to happen even once.

2. Sonnyboy.....Why would I want to see Tool play material from Aenima? Hmm....because its my favorite album of all time, most Tool fans regard it as their masterpiece and I've never seen most the best songs on it performed live, thats why you fucking moron. "10,000 Days" might be brilliant to you, but its bloody boring and overbloated and uninteresting to a lot of us, sorry, deal with it. Regardless of the nice, respectful attitude a lot of the more polite fans are taking towards the new material. 90% of the people on this forum would rather hear Eulogy or Third Eye live rather than anything of the new record. Go listen to Salival right now, listen to Third Eye live.....and I'm sorry but to compare hearing that absolute ungodly good tune live compared to fuckin Right in Two or Jambi...is laughable. You can ballwash the band's ideals or convince yourself that hearing the 10,000 Days material would be better but.......its just a funny notion to me.

3. Slicknick, I know you are like a 19 year old n00b, but dude....if you actually read those Lateralus tour setlists like many of us did, you know....not much is going to change. Sure there were changes in 2001 - 2002. But when they did occasionally crack out H, Eulogy, Third Eye, Prison Sex, Undertow, Swamp Song, Triad....it was certainly not with any degree of consistency. Face it....we are going to get the same setlist, probably with Wings...probably Opiate, and maybe, if you are lucky one of those older songs you love. More likely to hear something else from Lateralus than stuff from Aenima and Undertow. Maybe.

3. People want to hear the older material because an entire group of Tool fans are constantly discovering the band, I found them in 1999....and I missed the prime of the Aenima stuff being played, just as new fans on the Aenima tour wished they had caught more Undertow stuff, and just like some new fans now hope they can see Disposition/Reflection. Sure....its the shitty hand that is dealt to fans, but most touring rock bands of the size of Tool, who have such a big and very loved catalog like Tool's concede that to blow your audiences brains out you might have to deviate and play a fewolder tunes that will blow the audience away. Tool might now "owe" it to their fans to play Third Eye, but I'm certainly sure they realize that it would make any number of new fans....day, year, etc just to hear that tune, and they probably won't play it anyways. They are dicks like that, they might not owe it to their fans, but I think they owe it to their music. Because albums as brilliant as Lateralus and Aenima shouldnt basically fade into memories (ie...just hearing them on CD) because its the bands perogative to just showcase tunes they can play a video with (ie. the singles) and the new material.

[sonnyboy11]

<b>sianspheric</b>

Guess what, you ain't gonna get your way, and I'm going to get mine. So haha! Neener neener.

God what a retart

[AMF]

God what a retart

Hahahahahaha.

[AMF]

You live in Jackson. A trip to Bestbuy is a life changing experience.

Hahahahaha wow.

[Seven Deep]

Personally, tickets last time cost me $320, and I was blown away by their live performances. I spent another $90 on merchandise, 2 shirts which are great and an awesome 50x50 full color poster. They gave me my money's worth, so what more can I ask for? I felt like I was treated well at the concert, there were even attendants and everything (I know this is the venue's doing, standard operating procedure, but still), and the band put on a stellar performance that I throroughly enjoyed and will always have fond memories of. Their music has brought me so much joy and happines sinto my life and has helped me in so many ways. Tool owes me nothing, I owe them nothing. I've bought their records, their shirts, their tickets, and they've delivered just like how I would expect them to. I'm sorry if this isn't the case for others.

The venues they played on the mini tour are vastly different from arenas.
I think it's great that you feel you got your $600 worth, but I think your opinion would change quickly the moment you had obnoxious security shining lights in your face telling you to sit on the floor before the show even begins. You'd also be pretty pissed if Tool came out and just lounged their way through the set, playing two songs less than everyone else got. Those things have happened at various shows I attended the last time around. Bands have off nights, just like any other kind of work....but Tool have demanded another pay raise this time around, and for me personally, I don't feel like it's going to be justified.

[AMF]

The venues they played on the mini tour are vastly different from arenas.
I think it's great that you feel you got your $600 worth, but I think your opinion would change quickly the moment you had obnoxious security shining lights in your face telling you to sit on the floor before the show even begins. You'd also be pretty pissed if Tool came out and just lounged their way through the set, playing two songs less than everyone else got. Those things have happened at various shows I attended the last time around. Bands have off nights, just like any other kind of work....but Tool have demanded another pay raise this time around, and for me personally, I don't feel like it's going to be justified.

Alright, well I am really sorry that happened to you. Hopefully you'll get your money's owrth next time around =)

[maxthruput]

On a serious note Iron Maiden will be touring North America starting in October! Woohoo!

[AMF]

On a serious note Iron Maiden will be touring North America starting in October! Woohoo!

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doubt they will play Florida though bud, they always skip the southeast unfortunately.

[maxthruput]

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doubt they will play Florida though bud, they always skip the southeast unfortunately.


I know man...However, last year I went to Coors in Denver & the year before I went to the 2 shows in LA. I will probably head back to LA this time as its too damn cold in October to do an NYC show!

Up The Fcking Irons!

[blair's man sausage]

the real question is when are the east coast dates going to be released? pleazy BMB?

[YURAKAPTIV]

you guys are fucking obnoxious sometimes....fackin 'ell

1. For Lateralus.....Tool toured from May 2001 until December 2002. With a few breaks in between. So I dont know where the hell you get this "3 years" BS from. Just because Adam makes some off-hand remark about 3 years with ISIS doesnt make it certain. I would love Jenna Jamison to blow me for "8 months" straight, doesnt mean it is going to happen for even a day. Danny could say "I would totally want to drum with Led Zeppelin for a year, doesnt mean its going to happen even once.

2. Sonnyboy.....Why would I want to see Tool play material from Aenima? Hmm....because its my favorite album of all time, most Tool fans regard it as their masterpiece and I've never seen most the best songs on it performed live, thats why you fucking moron. "10,000 Days" might be brilliant to you, but its bloody boring and overbloated and uninteresting to a lot of us, sorry, deal with it. Regardless of the nice, respectful attitude a lot of the more polite fans are taking towards the new material. 90% of the people on this forum would rather hear Eulogy or Third Eye live rather than anything of the new record. Go listen to Salival right now, listen to Third Eye live.....and I'm sorry but to compare hearing that absolute ungodly good tune live compared to fuckin Right in Two or Jambi...is laughable. You can ballwash the band's ideals or convince yourself that hearing the 10,000 Days material would be better but.......its just a funny notion to me.

3. Slicknick, I know you are like a 19 year old n00b, but dude....if you actually read those Lateralus tour setlists like many of us did, you know....not much is going to change. Sure there were changes in 2001 - 2002. But when they did occasionally crack out H, Eulogy, Third Eye, Prison Sex, Undertow, Swamp Song, Triad....it was certainly not with any degree of consistency. Face it....we are going to get the same setlist, probably with Wings...probably Opiate, and maybe, if you are lucky one of those older songs you love. More likely to hear something else from Lateralus than stuff from Aenima and Undertow. Maybe.

3. People want to hear the older material because an entire group of Tool fans are constantly discovering the band, I found them in 1999....and I missed the prime of the Aenima stuff being played, just as new fans on the Aenima tour wished they had caught more Undertow stuff, and just like some new fans now hope they can see Disposition/Reflection. Sure....its the shitty hand that is dealt to fans, but most touring rock bands of the size of Tool, who have such a big and very loved catalog like Tool's concede that to blow your audiences brains out you might have to deviate and play a fewolder tunes that will blow the audience away. Tool might now "owe" it to their fans to play Third Eye, but I'm certainly sure they realize that it would make any number of new fans....day, year, etc just to hear that tune, and they probably won't play it anyways. They are dicks like that, they might not owe it to their fans, but I think they owe it to their music. Because albums as brilliant as Lateralus and Aenima shouldnt basically fade into memories (ie...just hearing them on CD) because its the bands perogative to just showcase tunes they can play a video with (ie. the singles) and the new material.

Wow,that's quite a set of beliefs you got there.You got it all worked out dont you.

[sianspheric]

You got it all worked out dont you.

not really. I still cant figure out how to get my girlfriend to try anal.

[blair's man sausage]

not really. I still cant figure out how to get my girlfriend to try anal.

lol...sneak it in...j/k anal's overrated

[sianspheric]

lol...sneak it in...j/k anal's overrated

pfft...no its not.

one of my last girlfriends was this retardedly horny 29 year old girl (im 7 years younger) and that girl, sorry...woman loved it, and her enthusiasm for it made for the absolute best sex on earth.

anal > overrated.

[blair's man sausage]

i dunno, i go through phases with it...when i get ass regularly, it gets old (and i mean teh ass)

vagina never gets old

[Setve]

and tickets go on sale in one hour and twenty-six minutes. i feel like having an anxiety attack.

[Akasha]

and tickets go on sale in one hour and twenty-six minutes. i feel like having an anxiety attack.

where are you from?

[Akasha]

lol, sry, just noticed the AM part, little pissed atm. im in Australia and its 8:34 PM. Was getting a little worried id missed some kinda notice about a concert, lol. jesus that scared me.

[Setve]

lol, sry, just noticed the AM part, little pissed atm. im in Australia and its 8:34 PM. Was getting a little worried id missed some kinda notice about a concert, lol. jesus that scared me.

Haha
trying to get ticks for the boston (mansfield) show.

[Akasha]

Haha
trying to get ticks for the boston (mansfield) show.

no probs. just almost had a heart attack there thats all, lol. Dont know anywhere else that tool tours besides perth with this time zone so i was panicking. glad to hear its on the other side of the world tho.

[Akasha]

might i add, u LUCKY FUKING BASTARD. lol. i cant wait to be in your position soon.

[Setve]

might i add, u LUCKY FUKING BASTARD. lol. i cant wait to be in your position soon.

i don't really like it. lol. after the orpheum incident i am afraid i will turn to sneeze and end up not going. (though i got hooooooked up 2 days before the boston show).

[Akasha]

i don't really like it. lol. after the orpheum incident i am afraid i will turn to sneeze and end up not going. (though i got hooooooked up 2 days before the boston show).

is it best to do online or wait it out overnight at a ticket stand for tix? and whats the "orpheum incident", lol, could make for a good movie title. hehe.

[Setve]

orpheum = small US venue = 2-3 thousand capacaty = LOTS of ppl getting screwed out of tickets. i was at the broker in the morning and didn't get tickets. its better to go to a broker, but the tweeter center holds about 20k ppl so i am not worried about not getting tickets, i just want decent ones.

[Setve]

9 minutes ZOMG

[TurdEye13]

good luck

[Setve]

good luck

THANKS i got section 4 row G

i got section 13 on my first try, then section 4, i didn't have the balls to throw it back and i don't regret it. here is the seating plan for the tweeter center.

http://www.tweetercenter.com/boston/
just click the image to the right of the page

[toocooltool]

lol okkkk

[Spaceman Spiff]

Tickets for Tool at Staples go on sale tomorrow... I'll probably be out on a job, so I'll miss out on floor tickets, I'm sure, but even if that weren't the case, we'll probably have to wait until next week to have the disposable income to spend on tickets.

Last time I waited to buy tickets, I got stuck on the top level at the Molson Centre in Montréal.

True story.

[Ocelot199]

You wouldn't have gotten floor tickets anyway. I stood in line for 4+ hours at the venue before they went on sale, was second in line, and still got screwed out of the GA tix.

[praefector]

you dont have a friend who can get in line for you?

no way to get someone to get tix online for you?

and oce, what GA tix are you talkin about?

[Ocelot199]

you dont have a friend who can get in line for you?

no way to get someone to get tix online for you?

and oce, what GA tix are you talkin about?
The floor tickets at the AllState Arena are GA. Theres a seperate entrance for people with the floor tickets, I think. I've only been there one other time, and I had seat tickets that time as well.

[Spaceman Spiff]

You wouldn't have gotten floor tickets anyway. I stood in line for 4+ hours at the venue before they went on sale, was second in line, and still got screwed out of the GA tix.
I've been pretty sucessful at purchasing online - I've been close enough to Metallica to make eye contact, got tickets to Nine Inch Nails' club tour last year that sold out in less than two minutes... maybe this time would be the exception, you could be right. But we'll likely never know... :P

No, nobody to buy for me, I don't think, due to having to wait a week for payday. My wife and I just bought a new car, so that puts a wee dent in our available spending money. I hope there are at least some decent lower0level seats left next week, but I['m not holding my breath.

[praefector]

The floor tickets at the AllState Arena are GA. Theres a seperate entrance for people with the floor tickets, I think. I've only been there one other time, and I had seat tickets that time as well.

ooo, gen admission...

i read it as 'georgia'

my bad

[Ocelot199]

Oh, hahahaha.

Woops.

[praefector]

got my hopes all up and shit

they need to schedule some dates in the south already... im getting impatient

[secular glitch]

forthe first time im putting my ticket buying in the hands of a friend. i hope he doesnt let me down.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Hopefully they do a second tour like last time...

[toolhead777]

you guys are fucking obnoxious sometimes....fackin 'ell

1. For Lateralus.....Tool toured from May 2001 until December 2002. With a few breaks in between. So I dont know where the hell you get this "3 years" BS from. Just because Adam makes some off-hand remark about 3 years with ISIS doesnt make it certain. I would love Jenna Jamison to blow me for "8 months" straight, doesnt mean it is going to happen for even a day. Danny could say "I would totally want to drum with Led Zeppelin for a year, doesnt mean its going to happen even once.

2. Sonnyboy.....Why would I want to see Tool play material from Aenima? Hmm....because its my favorite album of all time, most Tool fans regard it as their masterpiece and I've never seen most the best songs on it performed live, thats why you fucking moron. "10,000 Days" might be brilliant to you, but its bloody boring and overbloated and uninteresting to a lot of us, sorry, deal with it. Regardless of the nice, respectful attitude a lot of the more polite fans are taking towards the new material. 90% of the people on this forum would rather hear Eulogy or Third Eye live rather than anything of the new record. Go listen to Salival right now, listen to Third Eye live.....and I'm sorry but to compare hearing that absolute ungodly good tune live compared to fuckin Right in Two or Jambi...is laughable. You can ballwash the band's ideals or convince yourself that hearing the 10,000 Days material would be better but.......its just a funny notion to me.

3. Slicknick, I know you are like a 19 year old n00b, but dude....if you actually read those Lateralus tour setlists like many of us did, you know....not much is going to change. Sure there were changes in 2001 - 2002. But when they did occasionally crack out H, Eulogy, Third Eye, Prison Sex, Undertow, Swamp Song, Triad....it was certainly not with any degree of consistency. Face it....we are going to get the same setlist, probably with Wings...probably Opiate, and maybe, if you are lucky one of those older songs you love. More likely to hear something else from Lateralus than stuff from Aenima and Undertow. Maybe.

3. People want to hear the older material because an entire group of Tool fans are constantly discovering the band, I found them in 1999....and I missed the prime of the Aenima stuff being played, just as new fans on the Aenima tour wished they had caught more Undertow stuff, and just like some new fans now hope they can see Disposition/Reflection. Sure....its the shitty hand that is dealt to fans, but most touring rock bands of the size of Tool, who have such a big and very loved catalog like Tool's concede that to blow your audiences brains out you might have to deviate and play a fewolder tunes that will blow the audience away. Tool might now "owe" it to their fans to play Third Eye, but I'm certainly sure they realize that it would make any number of new fans....day, year, etc just to hear that tune, and they probably won't play it anyways. They are dicks like that, they might not owe it to their fans, but I think they owe it to their music. Because albums as brilliant as Lateralus and Aenima shouldnt basically fade into memories (ie...just hearing them on CD) because its the bands perogative to just showcase tunes they can play a video with (ie. the singles) and the new material.

well said but i went to 9 shows during the lateralus tour, indiana, chicago, vegas, moline, cedar rapids, milwaukee, chicago again, kalamazoo, and the last show of the tour in long beach cali, and i've heard most of the songs you have named. the key is to go to as many shows as you can. you really meat alot of people who do the same thing. i've been saving my money and now is my time to start travelling see you at the show.....................but i also saw them at ozz fest 98(1rst tool show) and the mini tour this year in chicago(best show i've ever seen). i also have tickets to minn, chicago and i just booked my vegas flight for this year, but u do have some good points. hope to meat some new true fans thease next couple years

[roomservice]

70$ for shitty seats is never cool.

[Waco Jesus]

You wouldn't have gotten floor tickets anyway. I stood in line for 4+ hours at the venue before they went on sale, was second in line, and still got screwed out of the GA tix.

That happened to me when I bought tickets for Tool in 2002. Fourth in line and I got near noseblood seats.

[ladycommish]

Good god. They are selling for $488 section 102 row GGG Coors Amphitheater. Each.

[AMF]

Haha getting tickets for this fall tour was easier than taking candy from a baby :-p Scalpers lose.

[Briznitch]

It better be easy to get tickets to Vegas, because as of right now they are catering to the rich ONLY through ticketbastard. If you have an AmEx Blue card, you can get seats now. Up to 6. So in other words, fuck the fans. Let the rich people who have massive credit card limits buy up all the tix first, so the fans once again get fucked over. Great job guys! The Vegas venue is a fucking joke. A parking lot 3 blocks from the airport so all you hear is screaming planes overhead, and a presale catering to rich people. Wow.

[optimistic-pessimist]

I just wanted to find out the general opinion here, especially from some of the concert veterans around here...

Is ticket scalping becoming a bigger problem these days, or does it just seem that way because TOOL has gotten to be insanely popular and is drawing a lot more attention (and money) than in years past?

[slicknickshady]

I just wanted to find out the general opinion here, especially from some of the concert veterans around here...

Is ticket scalping becoming a bigger problem these days, or does it just seem that way because TOOL has gotten to be insanely popular and is drawing a lot more attention (and money) than in years past?

People just like to Bitch more these days. Thats all.

[Briznitch]

No, people just get ripped off more. There are more ticket broker agencies in the world nowadays, because they know if you throw a little money the way of the show promoter or whoever, you can get tickets that will sell out and charge fans 3-10x the face value and BAM you just made a shitload of cash. I remember there used to be 1 place in my hometown that didn't even rape you that bad. Now there are probably 10 or so. So yes, it's getting much worse, BUT, only for the shows that will sell out. Nobody's going to dish out 4x face value for a show they can get on Ticketmaster themselves.

If it's guaranteed to sell out, you're guaranteed to find tix through a broker at an insane price. Especially the more popular towns.

[optimistic-pessimist]

People just like to Bitch more these days. Thats all.

Maybe people in general DO like to bitch more these days, but that has abso-fucking-lutely NOTHING to do with my perception of things... and I think it's become more of a problem.

[ministry22]

MONTREAL IGNORED !!! WHAT THE FUCK

[Crisispoint]

That's explain why I got shitty seats even though I log on at exactly 10 am on Ticketmaster and within less than 2 minute got seat level 404. What a bunch of bullshit.

I think Ticket master should be held accountable for this or the whole industry should just shut down. It's just unfair.

I don't want to sign on some Fanclub just for ticket either.

[toolhead777]

That's explain why I got shitty seats even though I log on at exactly 10 am on Ticketmaster and within less than 2 minute got seat level 404. What a bunch of bullshit.

I think Ticket master should be held accountable for this or the whole industry should just shut down. It's just unfair.

I don't want to sign on some Fanclub just for ticket either.
i signed up and still i dont have access to presale or to win tickets nothing its all a scam. i hear "rumors" that tool is supplying brokers evrything is making me want to scream and burn shit. i just hope i can just get vegas tickets and i'll be happy fuck the fanclub!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Briznitch]

Tool's tour manager, not Tool. And the show promoter from each town.

[optimistic-pessimist]

Tool's tour manager, not Tool. And the show promoter from each town.

These aren't sentences. What are you trying to say? I don't follow you...

[storm relative]

Any reason the band is apparantly avoiding any venues in the southeast United States? While I was hoping for a show in Louisville or Lexington, KY, Nashville, Memphis, Indianapolis, or Cincinnatti would have been reasonable trips to take to see a show or two. As of now, I'd need to take out a small loan for gas to get to the nearest confirmed show; only to see them with shit seats (broker and scalper issue). No thanks.

[optimistic-pessimist]

They'll be around. Don't worry. In '02 they did two US tours. The second tour pretty much hit every city that they DIDN'T hit the first time. I wouldn't worry about them coming to your area... I'd worry about the ticket availability once they do.

[Briznitch]

These aren't sentences. What are you trying to say? I don't follow you...

Read the post above it. If you didn't understand it, it may have not been meant for you. I was answering questions. We am good.

[optimistic-pessimist]

I know it wasn't "meant for me"... but it's still a public thread. Sorry it just didn't make sense.

[EGG-MAN]

send more money!

[Louis]

i signed up and still i dont have access to presale or to win tickets nothing its all a scam. i hear "rumors" that tool is supplying brokers evrything is making me want to scream and burn shit. i just hope i can just get vegas tickets and i'll be happy fuck the fanclub!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree...no presales, no nothing. I ended up going tru ticketbastard and even though i was in it from the start refreshing, all i got was damn nosebleeds for the Vegas show...and I'm coming from FL...makes me almost not wanna go. Like someone menitoned, of course, there were people selling them on ebay 2 days before they went on sale, so obviously by the time general public sale went on, there was shit left.

[renegade46n2]

They'll be around. Don't worry. In '02 they did two US tours. The second tour pretty much hit every city that they DIDN'T hit the first time. I wouldn't worry about them coming to your area... I'd worry about the ticket availability once they do.

I'm worried about both. I'm in Florida and pretty pissed that there's nothing even close to me. And even if they do add a SE date I'm guessing I'm gonna have to go the eBay route to even get a ticket. I'm prepared to use college loan money for this shit.

[optimistic-pessimist]

I admit that it's odd that they don't have any dates in the SE yet, but I'm sure they're not going to completely neglect this part of the country. Why would they come through and play smaller cities like Baton Rouge, Biloxi, and Beaumont on one tour, and then completely skip a whole region on another. I'm sure they'll be around, maybe after the New Year.

[renegade46n2]

Actually, a little later would be better for me money wise. Summer is a slow time for my bank account.

[raz0r]

I wish they could have started the ticket sale just 3 days later for the Rotterdam show.

Tickets going on sale when you're across the Atlantic, it's 4am, and you have no access to the internet = suck.

It wouldn't have been so bad if I'd known before I left, but I only found out the day before the sale started!

[moneyisevil]

fuck scalpers imo

[TooL_TiM413]

fuckscalpers ^

[I R Stoned]

Scalping is a MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger problem now. It used to be ticket broakers(scalpers) that would have lots of good tickets, and although the prices were high, its a deal compared to how much they sell for now. With the internet came many more websites of these scalpers, meaning even more people buying them before the public can, or at the very least, buying them up when they go on sale. Not to mention the invention of fleabay, where anyone can become a scalper. You could live in Maine, and buy up a section of seats for a cali show just to make some money now. The internet has spawned scalping companys 100 fold, not to mention you're everyday ebay seller. I think all auction sites should make it illegal for anything more than face value, or at least set a limit, like 20$ over face TOPS. Sure there will still be websites and scalpers, but this would help curb the problem more than can be said.Ebay is just a monster. A monster with a BIG DICK that fucks us straight up our assholes. Even if you dont buy anything off it, its preventing you from getting good seats at a reasonable price. And when tickets are now 70 a pop..with a million charges added on, that just drives up scalping prices that much more.

[46inme]

Not sticking up for scalpers but hear me out. If people got off there back side when tickets went on sale they would not have to buy from scalpers. And I think the problem is everybody sitting in front of a P.C. ten mins before 10 for a hard ticket and thinking there going to get one thru that avenue keep dreaming. The only way to stop it is don't buy from them. Which goes back to people paying for the fact that they slacked on getting tickets. I'm sure the fix is in when it comes to good tickets going to the scalpers 1st just don't buy them. Supply, Demand. And for us that care about a scene sometimes that means eating crow going to the lot and hoping we get in which I have done for a couple of shows in my short time on this planet. This time around for these shows there are tickets all over the place check craigslist for any cities there playing tons of tickets for face. Even this board is full of KIND people, thank you for my Oakland floor at face if you read this.

To keep rambling hear just a bit, I scored front row aa in Oakland in May through ticketbastard so yes real fans got good seats. I planned from the time they said the onsale date on how to get the tickets and set my mind to it and got the tickets. The only part that was luck but I feel it was more Karma was what seats I got not the fact I got tickets. They could of said toilet seats and I would of been happy.

You make your own realty and if you think about scalpers that's the only way they can exsit.

Please some input on this my $ .02

[Hans]

i agree on not buying from scalpers as a solution (as you shouldn't buy fur in order to stop the slaughter on furry animals), but you can't deny that Ebay and other auctionsites increased this problem. (In the Netherlands there is one with less restrictions and less registration for sellers, so even worse.)
So, first of all Ebay / similar sites have to become more strict in this. If scalpers can't find a online marketplace, it becomes less profitable for them to buy tickets.

[Dogfood]

I saw Tool in May here in Detroit. I am seeing them again in September here in Detroit. So far from San Diego to Fresno, NO SETLIST change? COME ON! where is more Opiate, Undertow, Aenima? They spent the entire Summer in Europe tuning up to come back and play the same shit? I am NOT happy about it! Let see if Japan and Hawaii bring some change of mind?

I want to hear Intolerance DAMN IT!

[reflection11]

Well dude, we'll just have to wait and see.

[jesseAK]

I live in Alaska and just bought tickets to the show on 10/7 at the Continental Arena in East Rutherford, NJ.

If not for Ticketmaster this simply would not have been possible. The tickets I got were in Section 5, Row A and I was so happy to get them that I about dropped the phone, losing it all.

If I can get good tickets, anyone should be able to (at least I think they're good tickets; good enough for me to fly 10,000 miles across the country to use them). All I did, since I've never used Ticketmaster before, was I had my computer logged in to the Ticketmaster website, constantly refreshing, and then about 15 minutes before tickets went on sale, a friend advised me to also use their automated phone service at the same time, and I'm glad I did. at 9:58 (5:58 a.m. my time) I was spamming refresh on my computer and spamming calls to Ticketmaster, having pre-planned what keys I had to press to get to the Tool concert I wanted.

The tickets I purchased was through the phone not the website. Like many others, after waiting 10+ minutes on the website, having clicked the tickets I wanted the second they became available, it told me that there were no Floor tickets available.

However, the phone system worked much better and I was able to get the tickets I mentioned earlier. Morale of the story; use the phone, not the website (or use both), and DONT DROP THE PHONE like I almost did, ruining it all. :)

The common-sense approach to combating scalpers is to simply not buy from them. If nobody buys from them...then....they lose.

If I had enough money I would have bought 6 tickets and sold the other 4 on here for face value, but I'm afraid I don't have that much liquid assets at the moment. ;)

[identity_theory]

I LOVE Tool's music, and have for the past ten years...my first experience was H on the radio when I was 15...now that's a GREAT memory :) BUT with all of the financial grubbery (scalpers as well as scalpers called "brokers") , and more importantly the band's unwillingness to take action --a presale is NOT complicated.. I repeat: a simple presale for your little fans who relentlessly, tenaciously, loyally, and monetarily kiss your egomaniacal ass is not fucking complicated -- , combined with the absolutely BIZARRE habit of playing the same setlist every fucking show (for the dumb-ass who invariably responds to this complaint with "don't look at the reviews"...right...am I also supposed to clear my memory after every show I attend so I'm ignorant to the monotony every time I hand over my $$$??) Oh, what's that? stop paying and stop going??? Well, that's precisely what I'm getting at. If I see the same fucking setlist one more time on Sept. 18, while navigating the crowd of neanderthals in the super turbo mega arena (and it's looking promising) I think I will have seen my last Tool show. I can sit at home and watch my collection of bootlegs, which frankly is much more rewarding at this point anyway (thank JHC that all those brave tapers ignored that egotistical little shit, Maynard, and recorded the good shows before it all went South.) I mean to make no objectively oriented judgment here...just sharing my thoughts and attitudes for the basic sake of communication.
Can I get an amen, or maybe even a fuck you?

[identity_theory]

The common-sense approach to combating scalpers is to simply not buy from them. If nobody buys from them...then....they lose.



I don't mean to be rude, but that's simplistic and ridiculous in my humble little mind.. that was Maynard's commentary on the official site as well, and I'm thinking "hmmm, he just spent nearly 15 years begging people to open their minds, and now he's coming at us with this bureaucratic idea concerning scalping.... breaking a complex situation down to a simple, narrow-sighted response aimed at calming all the little people down and evading well-warranted public agitation, which only exists because HE (Keenan) set the bar where it is, while ignoring the complexities, and indeed the real essence of the problem; effectively engaging in the same authoritarian mind-control bullshit he's been whining about all this time????!!!!?????" oh.

[optimistic-pessimist]

...thank JHC that all those brave tapers ignored that egotistical little shit, Maynard, and recorded the good shows before it all went South....

Amen Brotha...

[Heyou13]

So i have been hearing that the setlist has not changed since the warmup small venue tour back in late spring...is this true? I mean we all know hoe talented and how much they care about their music...that setlist was only an hour and a half and didnt even include wings for marie 1 & 2...i think i will be very dissapointed when i see them here in cleveland if the setlist hasnt changed.

[Dogfood]

I agree! I saw the Spring tour show here in Detroit. Where is more Opiate, UNDERTOW, Aenima? Where is Intolerance, Hooker With A Penis, Ticks & Leeches? This commercial friendly thing they have going on right now isn't all that cool. I mean the show in the Spring was great but where is the imagination? If I were in a big band like that I would make sure we would always do a deeper cut and blow the fans face off! at least 1! Give them something to talk about on the way home. I hope they change it as well. I already have tickets to the Palace Sept. 22 and can't wait but I am hoping for some change!

Is it just me or doesn't it seem like they put way more money and effort into the Lateralus Tour? at least to this point.

[Heyou13]

i just want like wings for marie 1 & 2 (glad theyll prob keep lateralus) and i would love to see Third Eye!! but yeah...i hope they make the set longer like some of their older tours (roughly 2 hours)

[jesseAK]

I don't mean to be rude, but that's simplistic and ridiculous in my humble little mind.. that was Maynard's commentary on the official site as well, and I'm thinking "hmmm, he just spent nearly 15 years begging people to open their minds, and now he's coming at us with this bureaucratic idea concerning scalping.... breaking a complex situation down to a simple, narrow-sighted response aimed at calming all the little people down and evading well-warranted public agitation, which only exists because HE (Keenan) set the bar where it is, while ignoring the complexities, and indeed the real essence of the problem; effectively engaging in the same authoritarian mind-control bullshit he's been whining about all this time????!!!!?????" oh.

I dont disagree; I only contend that the simplest way to combat scalping yourself is to refuse to buy from scalpers. Let those seats sit fucking empty because scalpers or "brokers" cant sell their tickets, and I would like to optimistically think that those empty seats may be filled in by those most deserving, once the doors have closed and it's obvious that the pee. ^.-

Or,.......since we know which seats are going to be occupied by those buying tickets from scalpers, just throw annoying, but not necessarily life-threatening objects (for example, marbles) at them from all directions during the show. ^.^

[sweatyturtle19]

All they have to do is add Wings, Reflection, and H (or Eulogy) and I'll be happy...

C'mon, do you guys actually think that the setlist will only be 1.5 hours? They HAVE to add at least another half an hour, don't you think?

But yeah, if they don't I'm going to be kinda pissed...

[blair's man sausage]

jesus christ this shit just started, give it time songs will change

[eddie75]

They haven't really started the fall tour yet.

[Cid]

i'm hoping when isis joins them on the 22nd the "real" tour and setlist will start.

[new dimension_disposition]

PLEASE CHANGE THE SETLIST. I love the singles, but enough is enough. I think everyone should e-mail blair about it - I already did.

More H, Third eye, Eulogy, and less singles will make me a happy man.

[optimistic-pessimist]

I don't think Blair has much say (try NONE) as to what ends up on the setlist. And for some reason... I'm not sure why (*sarcasm*)... I get the distinct impression that the band really doesn't give a shit what their fans want.

But I agree. How the FUCK can they justify raising ticket prices, while playing larger, shittier venues, and re-using the same generic setlist from the so-called "warmup tour"? Maybe the saddest thing is, they can probably get away with it, because there are so many new fans that just don't know what they missed "back in the day." They see this set and leave the show thinking they've just had the best experience of their lives, and can now die happy.

[AMF]

The setlists licks my nutsack. There is no excuse for last night: ZERO opening band, they still go on an hour late, charge up the ass for tickets, and play a warm-up tour setlists. Wow.

[AMF]

Saw this one coming all along. Trust me, the only additions we'll see would be Wings 1 & 2, and every now and then Opiate, Parabola, probably Intension at some point, but nothing like we saw on the Lateralus tour where the setlists would shift show to show drastically. Not counting on any sort of big stage production either.

[mindstream]

Its funny, but this uproar wouldn't even exist prior to the internet. The only reason we know the shows are the same is because of easy setlist access on tdn and the information highway. I mean most fans can only afford, or get tickets to one gig. I wish I had the fortitude to not read the setlists after every show, but I don't. So even though I haven't seen the new songs played live, it won't be as exciting as if I was coming to the show without a clue as to what they were going to play.

For all I know, Led Zeppelin could have played pretty much the same setlist every night. But fans didn't have access to that information, so going to the show and being blindsided and surprised by each song made THAT particular show that much more special (in the mind of the fan, who didn't know any better...)

Any way you can block me from accessing the live section?

[Spongebob]

tool have been boring and stale with their choice of setlist since 2002.

[Cid]

Its funny, but this uproar wouldn't even exist prior to the internet. The only reason we know the shows are the same is because of easy setlist access on tdn and the information highway. I mean most fans can only afford, or get tickets to one gig. I wish I had the fortitude to not read the setlists after every show, but I don't. So even though I haven't seen the new songs played live, it won't be as exciting as if I was coming to the show without a clue as to what they were going to play.

For all I know, Led Zeppelin could have played pretty much the same setlist every night. But fans didn't have access to that information, so going to the show and being blindsided and surprised by each song made THAT particular show that much more special (in the mind of the fan, who didn't know any better...)

Any way you can block me from accessing the live section?

i don't think it's the internet causing this. i honestly don't mind that they do a whole tour with almost the same setlist. it's just when it carries over from a "warm up" tour to the next tour it gets old. when i see them twice or 3 times on the same tour, i expect the show to be very similar, but i will be disappointed if when i see them next month in LA they play the same set that i saw at coachella and vegas on the supposed "warm up" tour.

there's an uproar because these recent shows, to us, are the start of the next tour and we know the setlists are the same. we wouldn't know without the internet, but we would find out when we see them again. we just get annoyed a little earlier now with the fast exchange of info.

[Disco_Stu]

I think they will change the setlist for the Arena tour. It has not started yet, so let's keep the panicking for later

[mindstream]

Good points.

[lucydog]

i'm hoping when isis joins them on the 22nd the "real" tour and setlist will start.

and the "real" album comes out...

[Cid]

and the "real" album comes out...

haha..yea, this is a decoy tour....i get it now.

[steve99_9]

Saw this one coming all along. Trust me, the only additions we'll see would be Wings 1 & 2, and every now and then Opiate, Parabola, probably Intension at some point, but nothing like we saw on the Lateralus tour where the setlists would shift show to show drastically. Not counting on any sort of big stage production either.
bitch bitch bitch

[Track 01]

So i have been hearing that the setlist has not changed since the warmup small venue tour back in late spring...is this true? I mean we all know hoe talented and how much they care about their music...that setlist was only an hour and a half and didnt even include wings for marie 1 & 2...i think i will be very dissapointed when i see them here in cleveland if the setlist hasnt changed.
Maynard has said he wont play Wings for Marie or 10,000 Days in concert unless its on the day she died

[mindstream]

Maynard has said he wont play Wings for Marie or 10,000 Days in concert unless its on the day she died

link please?

[bozziodrummer000]

Maynard has said he wont play Wings for Marie or 10,000 Days in concert unless its on the day she died
wow fuckin gay

didnt adam say that ''this was their best song yet''?

[Track 01]

I agree! I saw the Spring tour show here in Detroit. Where is more Opiate, UNDERTOW, Aenima? Where is Intolerance, Hooker With A Penis, Ticks & Leeches? This commercial friendly thing they have going on right now isn't all that cool. I mean the show in the Spring was great but where is the imagination? If I were in a big band like that I would make sure we would always do a deeper cut and blow the fans face off! at least 1! Give them something to talk about on the way home. I hope they change it as well. I already have tickets to the Palace Sept. 22 and can't wait but I am hoping for some change!

Is it just me or doesn't it seem like they put way more money and effort into the Lateralus Tour? at least to this point.
I hate to disappoint you, but your not going to get to see Ticks and Leeches on September 22nd because Tool has shows on the 23rd and 25th. The screaming in Ticks and Leeches would kill Maynard's voice for those shows.I do agree that they should be playing songs that only their hardcore fans know and suprise them with it...I wanna hear them play H. or Pushit or The Grudge when i go on October 7th

[Track 01]

link please?
read it from some other post on these boards that had a link

[mindstream]

or perhaps cause you're full of shit???

[mindstream]

What the hell are you talking about?

band called Tool.

[Track 01]

His post is a big run-on sentence, and it make no sense.

Oh. Tool.
Its a fucking message board i didnt know i had to use proper grammar

[morgoth's shadow]

and have him substantiate his claim about maynard refusing to play wings or away with his noob-ishness.

[optimistic-pessimist]

Hm. I just assumed that any US shows at this time would be considered the Fall leg of the tour and should be different than the US minitour and the European summer tour. I mean, the Fresno show was in Selland ARENA. Then again, they didn't have an opening band. Hmm.

I guess we will see soon enough...

[maxthruput]

Here we go again....the shrinking Tool setlist....last time it was 1hr 40min. Sorry but, somethings wrong with them. Oh well...its the nature of the biz. I remember when I saw the chili peppers headline a show where they played an awesome 1 hour set...Everyone was like WTF? A lot of bands do this now....changing setlists every night is not a very popular thing to do. Too bad.

[sweatyturtle19]

Well they should at least play for two hours considering this is the "real" tour and all...

[clarity.]

Pearl Jam rocked for like 3 hours when I saw them. Tool is fucking lame.

[mindstream]

That last Oceansize album you're advertising was lame.

[Disco_Stu]

To me the arena tour starts after their festival shows in Japan/Korea.

So, after they play Hawai, I guess we will know.

Anyone know is Isis opens in Hawai ?

[slicknickshady]

pearl jam is fucking lame. august 22nd is the day it will change. AMF is full of shit.

[Confuzzled]

Can you guys just relax on here. God its just a message board.
Maynard has said he wont play Wings for Marie or 10,000 Days in concert unless its on the day she died
No I dont think Maynard said that. However it would be cool if they did play it on the day she died just becuase it would have an extra meaning to it. But then again would they have a concert that day?
Everyone is making a big deal about the setlists and these posts. I suggest that everyone just relax. Sit back and lets see what Tool has in store. Most likely the setlist will change in one way or another. No need to shout at each other on here. We are all here on this website to talk about Tool and there awesomeness (spelling? actually I dont think thats a word) so lets just chill out and do that. Not argue tooth and nail over a song (even if its a pretty damn good song).
Tool will most likely not play Ticks & Leeches because well Maynards over 40 now and a song like that would kill anyones voice. And they probably will add Wings and 10,000 days to the setlist and hopefully add a few more kick ass songs. But do you really think fighting like assholes on here is going to solve anything. No its just gunna piss those having the argument off and then they will get off the computer and forget all about it. Untill they come back on this website where the argument will resume. And no one will come out on top.
Once again everybody should just chill out and enjoy the awesomeness that is Tool.

[sweatyturtle19]

Yeah, once Isis hits the tour the setlist is sure to expand, even if it is only 2 hours...

And if it doesn't...well at least be happy that we actually get to see Tool. This might be their last time doing this... :(

[optimistic-pessimist]

Isis's first show with TOOL will be in Vancouver on Aug. 22nd.

[DepressionSeeker]

you wanna see a long set go see RUSH. at one aerosmith show I saw they played for 3 hours as well. this set tool has going is fine they just need to add 2 songs to it and make it 2 hours. something like pushit, third eye, eulogy, intolerance. i mean come on whats an extra 15 minutes of their time anyways.

[slicknickshady]

the setlist for the fall arena tour will at least be 110 minutes.

[blair's man sausage]

thanks for your prediction sns, the same guy who said there wasn't 2 sets on lateralus

if there is an intermission that = 2 sets

no wonder no one takes you srsly

[sweatyturtle19]

They took an intermission at the show I saw on the warmup tour...but they only played for 1.5 hours.

I dunno if it was an intermission, but they all sat on the edge of the stage for 5-10 minutes and soaked up the crowds cheers...

[placidium]

does anyone else think this "warm-up tour" stuff is just a bullshit excuse for playing short, stupid sets ?

[blair's man sausage]

They took an intermission at the show I saw on the warmup tour...but they only played for 1.5 hours.

I dunno if it was an intermission, but they all sat on the edge of the stage for 5-10 minutes and soaked up the crowds cheers...

that's their encore, they left the stage for awhile after disposition on the lateralus tour then came back to play for 40+ min. before they did their encore thing again...at least on the shows that i saw

[resonance.]

Tell ya what.... I don't need to hear Stinkfist, Forty Six & 2, Schism, Sober, Lateralus, or Ænema again. What's with all the radio singles?

[slicknickshady]

if there is an intermission that = 2 sets



no it does not.

[blair's man sausage]

really what does 15 minute break when they are not on stage equal you fucking cunt

[placidium]

it's not the number of sets, it's the total length of the performance..

their sets are shorter now and they play the most accessible work of their career..

such showmen..

[slicknickshady]

Tell ya what.... I don't need to hear Stinkfist, Forty Six & 2, Schism, Sober, Lateralus, or Ænema again. What's with all the radio singles?

The people who have never seen tool before.

I have seen them twice so no need for me to see these songs performed again but like it or not theirs a lot of people who have not seen them live.

I want to here Pushit, Eulogy, Third Eye, H, and Prison Sex more than anybody can imagine but i understand and dont bitch because they have to play the radio singles for the new fans. We will get probably H and Prison Sex on the arena tour for sure because those were singles but not the most popular ones.

I have seen Parabol/a but they will probably play that also on the fall tour.
I'm not and you should not be holding your breath for Pushit, Eulogy, or Third Eye. My Favorite Tool songs are Pushit, Eulogy, and H by the way. I would love to see these performed but i wont bitch if they are not. I love all Tool and could hear each song 50 times and love it every single time.

[slicknickshady]

really what does 15 minute break when they are not on stage equal you fucking cunt

An INTERMISSION, you fucking cunt! They are not set's. Does the word Setlist mean anything to you?

[blair's man sausage]

you've seen them twice? you are truly a badass fucking teenager, stfu, get back to me after your post count hits 4K

[sweatyturtle19]

Seriously, I don't care what they play at this point as long as it's two hours...

[blair's man sausage]

douchebag, when you take an intermission or leave the stage for an extended amount of time that is considered 2 sets, i don't give a fuck if you can print the setlist out on one page...no wonder brightwell is trying to kick your ass out any chance he gets

[placidium]

would you wash the sand out of your asshole plz ?

[blair's man sausage]

if you're talking to me i can't i live on the beach, sand is perpetual

[2and46]

I think the much anticipated fall tour isn't slated to start until March...2007.

[Heyou13]

I think the much anticipated fall tour isn't slated to start until March...2007.

lol as everyone said before, hopefully once ISIS joins them on the tour Tool will take the initiative to make their setlist longer. I have never seen Tool live yet...but i would love to see some of their non radio singles. I just dont understand it, it seemed like in the past they did the tours more for themselves not to commercialize. I dont know...lets just hope the setlist gets longer. Ill be there September 25 here in cleveland, plenty of time for it to change.

[maxthruput]

Guys...if we learned anything from the lateralus tour its that Tool change very little from tour to tour. At most I'd expect a 2 song variation on the setlist with at most an extra 10 minutes of music in 2007.

[slicknickshady]

Guys...if we learned anything from the lateralus tour its that Tool change very little from tour to tour. At most I'd expect a 2 song variation on the setlist with at most an extra 10 minutes of music in 2007.

the peformance i believe it will be an extra 20 minutes. 110 Minutes the arena tours will be with a 10 minute intermission i believe. So that would be 2:00 Hours instead of 1:30.

[white horse]

I was a bit surprised the Fresno setlist was the same as the theatre/festival tour actually. While it is understandable in one way for bands to play the same old shit (NIN is another good example) it's still frustrating if you're going to more than one show or have been a fan for years.

[Disco_Stu]

Isis's first show with TOOL will be in Vancouver on Aug. 22nd.

Then it could even start on the 22nd. The Hawai shows could be an ultimate warm up for the arena gigs, where they could intergrate new songs to the setlist.

I sure hope so

[morgoth's shadow]

Can you guys just relax on here. God its just a message board.

No I dont think Maynard said that. However it would be cool if they did play it on the day she died just becuase it would have an extra meaning to it. But then again would they have a concert that day?


umm.....she's dead. that's what the whole song is about.

[Heyou13]

are they going to come back to some of the same cities during 2007???

[slicknickshady]

are they going to come back to some of the same cities during 2007???

All signs point to YES.

Look at there 2001-2002 Tours.

[eulogys]

Is it just me or doesn't it seem like they put way more money and effort into the Lateralus Tour? at least to this point.

Um, I think it must be you. At this point after the release of Lateralus, their stage consisted of 2 hugh screens behind the stage instead of a backdrop, and 1 screen behind maynard. That was it. nothing else. Except for Osseus Labyrinth coming out during Schism and then climbing up to the rafters during the intermission and doing their thing during Parabol/a. They didn't use the "Alex Gray" stage until the '02 summer tour, well over a year after Lateralus was released.

[sianspheric]

I don't think Blair has much say (try NONE) as to what ends up on the setlist. And for some reason... I'm not sure why (*sarcasm*)... I get the distinct impression that the band really doesn't give a shit what their fans want.

But I agree. How the FUCK can they justify raising ticket prices, while playing larger, shittier venues, and re-using the same generic setlist from the so-called "warmup tour"? Maybe the saddest thing is, they can probably get away with it, because there are so many new fans that just don't know what they missed "back in the day." They see this set and leave the show thinking they've just had the best experience of their lives, and can now die happy.

well said

[Strangleholder]

PLEASE CHANGE THE SETLIST. I love the singles, but enough is enough. I think everyone should e-mail blair about it - I already did.

More H, Third eye, Eulogy, and less singles will make me a happy man.

I agree man. Third Eye is such an awesome song. I think they should throw in Bottom for old times sake as well. I guess Maynard can't scream like he used to and would probably rely on a megaphone to 'pull it off'. I guess the accuser in Hooker was on to something there.

If they seriously don't change it up with these upcoming arena shows I'm gonna lose a lot of respect for Tool.

[champion]

Blair, in the latest newsletter, said it's likely the band will include Wings/10KD in the truer tour setlist. I reckon they'll figure something out that will satisfy new and old fans.

[mindstream]

I wonder if Tool is aware of the setlist dissatisfaction.

[Heyou13]

I wonder if Tool is aware of the setlist dissatisfaction.

hmmm that might be something somebody might want to make aware to them...

[morgoth's shadow]

are you kidding?? they're on TDN all the time.
in fact, i'm adam jones.

[Heyou13]

lol it definitely is easier said than done...

[morgoth's shadow]

fresno show was the same fucking setlist apparently.
someone claims they heard them rehearsing wings during the soundcheck. guess they're still perfecting it.

....cause it's not like they recently got four weeks off to rehearse.

[Cid]

I wonder if Tool is aware of the setlist dissatisfaction.

i emailed blair yesterday, it's not tool, but someone close to them knows at least.

[eulogys]

....cause it's not like they recently got four weeks off to rehearse.

Maybe they did what everyone else does during a break in their work schedule, which is doing nothing having to do with their work. Just because they're not playing any shows doesn't mean they have to rehearse.

[AMF]

Maybe they did what everyone else does during a break in their work schedule, which is doing nothing having to do with their work. Just because they're not playing any shows doesn't mean they have to rehearse.

Honestly though, would it have been too much to ask to spend maybe one or two days out of those 4 weeks and put in 5-6 hours jamming out old tunes? C'mon, they are professional musicians, this is their job that they make a damn good living off, they can "relearn" half their catalogue in a days work probably. For charging up the ass for tickets they might as well give people their money's worth.

[optimistic-pessimist]

If they don't play old songs, it's not because they didn't have the time or energy to rehearse them. It's because they don't want to. They write songs that are "good emotional vehicles"... for other people, but also for themselves. The impression I get is, IN GENERAL, if they've written a song about a certain topic or issue that's important to them, once they've played it extensively and moved on from that issue, they don't have the need or desire to play the song as much anymore... or at all. It would be kinda like trying to get yourself mad over something that happened 13 years ago, when you got over it 8 years ago.

Don't get me wrong though. There are 8 or 9 songs from the TOOL catalog that I've never heard and would almost kill to hear. I just don't think that it's laziness that's keeping them from playing them.`

[clarity.]

That last Oceansize album you're advertising was lame.

Pssh. I think your opinion is lame.

[optimistic-pessimist]

I hate to disappoint you, but your not going to get to see Ticks and Leeches on September 22nd because Tool has shows on the 23rd and 25th. The screaming in Ticks and Leeches would kill Maynard's voice for those shows.

Maynard has never performed Ticks and Leeches live without the use of a megaphone or other effect on his voice. He supposedly lost his voice for a few weeks after they recorded the song for the album, so why would he EVER put his voice at risk to sing it "unassisted" again?

However it would be cool if they did play it (Wings) on the day she died just becuase it would have an extra meaning to it. But then again would they have a concert that day?

I haven't seen the quote, but from the sound of it (if it is true and accurate), then I was assuming he meant on the ACTUAL day she died, not an anniversary... which of course would be impossible. This agrees with Blair's comment on toolband... that Wings would make its live appearance around the time it's played on the radio... which seems pretty unlikely to me.

Lastly... was this thread just merged with another one? It seems like a bunch of "new" posts just appeared all through the middle of it.

[meatchunk]

What the hell is up with no southeastern dates? I have e-mailed Blair but have received nothing back. When people from Australia emailed about no shows in Aussieland, he responded in the news section at toolband. WTF. Has anyone else emailed Blair about this subject only to have it fall on deaf ears?

[phishman1]

The impression I get is, IN GENERAL, if they've written a song about a certain topic or issue that's important to them, once they've played it extensively and moved on from that issue, they don't have the need or desire to play the song as much anymore... or at all

I agree completely, and was (oddly) just thinking about this yesterday while listening to Lateralus. As much as I absolutely love Disposition/Reflection, Parabol/Parabola, The Grudge...does anyone really believe that we'll ever hear them live again? I don't.

[optimistic-pessimist]

I agree completely, and was (oddly) just thinking about this yesterday while listening to Lateralus. As much as I absolutely love Disposition/Reflection, Parabol/Parabola, The Grudge...does anyone really believe that we'll ever hear them live again? I don't.

I think that any of those songs stand a much better chance of being played than, say, Hush, Part of Me, 4 Degrees, Hooker... to name a few...

[sco999]

A Message From Blair:

"SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES... AGAIN
Having recently attended the 'dress rehearsal' for TOOL's US Summer/Fall ARENA TOUR, I can tell you that all (well, most) of those things you've been e-mailing about and posting on message boards are coming, namely a bigger stage production and different set lists. What I saw was impressive to say the least (and with these guys, that's all I can say at this point), but the new show should be unveiled soon (and for now we'll just have to leave it at that) - with things better suited to the bigger concert halls."

[vincentalan]

That Blair message made my fucking day. I was a annoyed (like many rightfully were) when I saw the SD and Fresno show had the same setlists as the 'warm up' shows, and I am thrilled that we'll get to see Tool doing what they do best: putting on epic performances.

I just hope this occurs in time for my show, but I am thinking they're going all out after Japan.

[optimistic-pessimist]

That Blair message made my fucking day.

Ditto.

And I'm sure we'll see the change as soon as Isis joins the tour.

[46inme]

Ditto.

And I'm sure we'll see the change as soon as Isis joins the tour.
^^^^
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[andro]

What the hell is up with no southeastern dates? I have e-mailed Blair but have received nothing back. When people from Australia emailed about no shows in Aussieland, he responded in the news section at toolband. WTF. Has anyone else emailed Blair about this subject only to have it fall on deaf ears?

So, according to Blair's post, Tool's not coming to the southeast because of regional stereotypes? Whoever made that decision, I'm giving you the finger as hard as I can.

I support this band as much as I possibly can and they don't have the decency to come within any reasonable driving distance of me?

It's a "US" tour, is it not? How can you say "I toured the US" and not visit any state in the southeast?

Oh well, that's $300 I get to spend on more important stuff... Budweiser.. NASCAR can coozies... a new baseball bat to beat my wife with... super-enormous print bibles... oh, and chickens.

I'm sure I had plans to go hunting or mud-bogging on the day they would come anyway. We toothless, illiterate, inbred rednecks have to have our priorities, you know.

[euphorias_prisoner]

So, according to Blair's post, Tool's not coming to the southeast because of regional stereotypes? Whoever made that decision, I'm giving you the finger as hard as I can.

I support this band as much as I possibly can and they don't have the decency to come within any reasonable driving distance of me?

It's a "US" tour, is it not? How can you say "I toured the US" and not visit any state in the southeast?

Oh well, that's $300 I get to spend on more important stuff... Budweiser.. NASCAR can coozies... a new baseball bat to beat my wife with... super-enormous print bibles... oh, and chickens.

I'm sure I had plans to go hunting or mud-bogging on the day they would come anyway. We toothless, illiterate, inbred rednecks have to have our priorities, you know.


Hahaha... I think you need to simma down now. The stereotype response was more than likely just to fuck w/ people (b/c that seems to be thier favorite pasttime). Do you recall last hurricane season? And have you noticed how fuckin hot its been in the southeast lately? I think those things are the actual reasons for no southeastern dates. So take a roadtrip and see them elsewhere (which is what I will be doing) or be patient and wait for the 07 tour.

[optimistic-pessimist]

So, according to Blair's post, Tool's not coming to the southeast because of regional stereotypes? Whoever made that decision, I'm giving you the finger as hard as I can.

I support this band as much as I possibly can and they don't have the decency to come within any reasonable driving distance of me?

It's a "US" tour, is it not? How can you say "I toured the US" and not visit any state in the southeast?

Oh well, that's $300 I get to spend on more important stuff... Budweiser.. NASCAR can coozies... a new baseball bat to beat my wife with... super-enormous print bibles... oh, and chickens.

I'm sure I had plans to go hunting or mud-bogging on the day they would come anyway. We toothless, illiterate, inbred rednecks have to have our priorities, you know.

Yes Blair's just trying to be funny. I'm sure they'll be around in early '07.

[andro]

Hahaha... I think you need to simma down now. The stereotype response was more than likely just to fuck w/ people (b/c that seems to be thier favorite pasttime). Do you recall last hurricane season? And have you noticed how fuckin hot its been in the southeast lately? I think those things are the actual reasons for no southeastern dates. So take a roadtrip and see them elsewhere (which is what I will be doing) or be patient and wait for the 07 tour.

You do realize the tour schedule would put the band in the southeast during October, which is generally not the sweltering heat we experience in, say, August. Also, aren't they playing indoor arenas?

When's grape harvesting season at Vineyard duMaynard? I'd see that as a more likely reason than the band being scared of hurricanes or the heat.

I'm just extremely miffed that I don't get to see this leg of the tour. The first leg of the Lateralus tour was very different than the second. Seeing how the setlist, band, and stage evolved from one leg to the next was very cool. I don't get that without some major sacrifices. If I were still in college, I'd certainly go see them in DC. At this point in my life, a 4hr roadtrip just isn't in the cards.

[Disco_Stu]

Not judging you or anything, but 4 hours is hardly what I call a roadtrip