View Full Version : Its a DREAM
LabRat404
07-13-2006, 05:38 AM
began at 2 am...while I was SLEEPING
...random crazy dreary stuff strung together from a dream...
fading in and out of consciousness
incorporating random shit I did throught the day...krispy kreame, sudafed, sunkist, ...The X Files, aliens, conspiracy...
and I dreamt about aliens and conspiracy and the end of days, and I knew everything about everything because I was in that ultimate all-knowing delerium between sleep and consciousness.
but when I woke up I couldn't rememebr any of it! God Damnit, shit my bed, so to say.
I had the world in my hands
I knew everything
I coudln't have rememeber when I woke up
should have wrote it down
goddamnit
I could have saved the world
answered every question that ever was
goddamnit, shit the bed
dont know what it was
wont ever know, goddamnit
dancingflame
07-13-2006, 06:07 AM
very nice interpretation!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you`re on the right way ;)
Nikola Petrovic
07-13-2006, 06:16 AM
very nice interpretation!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you`re on the right way ;)
oh wow, guess you know everything. Id like to break your face :)
Anyways, i like that, a different approach than the obvious drug induced state.
rogerdoger
07-13-2006, 07:28 AM
This is what I first thought of when I heard the song actually, either that or the drugs. The line about writing it down definatly supports this theory. Good reason for why he would have forgotten it too. I think I like this idea pretty well.
LabRat404
07-13-2006, 07:31 AM
I've experienced this myself a lot of times. The only difference is that I can't remember anything at all. I just get left with this feeling that I dreampt the answer to life itself, and I can't rememebr what it was....
it usually happened listening to Lateralus while drifting toward sleep.
rogerdoger
07-13-2006, 07:38 AM
I've experienced this myself a lot of times. The only difference is that I can't remember anything at all. I just get left with this feeling that I dreampt the answer to life itself, and I can't rememebr what it was....
it usually happened listening to Lateralus while drifting toward sleep.
Yea, I've had this sensation too... not always with the answer to life, but other things, and they're always right there, but at the same time I can't remember what it is. It's a really agravating feeling.
LabRat404
07-13-2006, 08:04 AM
Yea, I've had this sensation too... not always with the answer to life, but other things, and they're always right there, but at the same time I can't remember what it is. It's a really agravating feeling.
exaclty. shit the bed.
somniferous
07-13-2006, 11:42 AM
i personally like this theory aswell....while we are on the topic of forgetting dreams, have any of you guys gone lucid while dreaming and controlled it? I have done this many times and remembering dreams gets to be like remembering what you did yesterday, real easy....let me know if you guys have ever experienced lucidity while dreaming.....its really cool and not hard to do
LabRat404
07-13-2006, 11:57 AM
i personally like this theory aswell....while we are on the topic of forgetting dreams, have any of you guys gone lucid while dreaming and controlled it? I have done this many times and remembering dreams gets to be like remembering what you did yesterday, real easy....let me know if you guys have ever experienced lucidity while dreaming.....its really cool and not hard to do
Yes, many tiems. I've only been able to intentionally induce it once. I didn't try controlling my surroundings, but I'm sure I could have as I knew I was dreaming and enjoyed every second of it. This was in a time of my life when I had months of free time where I didn't work or have any other responsibilities like school, girlfriend, etc... I dedicated this time of my life to playing video games and lucid dreaming. I just did what I wanted to and slept when I wanted. this is very good for the mind to be able to sleep only when you feel tired...it was the happiest time of my life and probably always will be unless I ever do it again.
Back to the topic:
"while calming me down with some orange slices and fetal spooning, the E.T. creature revealed to me his singular purpose"
This has to be a dream. The only explanation for somethign as abscure as orange slice weilding aliens is a cracked out dream. I coudl totally dream something like this.
somniferous
07-13-2006, 12:14 PM
hahaha...i like this thread
afrodite's child
07-13-2006, 12:47 PM
Yes, but u should take into consideration Lost Keys. If he is asleep, there is no way he can listen his suroundings. In Rosetta Stoned, he replies in the doctor's wish to tell him everything, so he can help. The man is awake, and this song remains an allegory.
rogerdoger
07-13-2006, 01:07 PM
Yes, but u should take into consideration Lost Keys. If he is asleep, there is no way he can listen his suroundings. In Rosetta Stoned, he replies in the doctor's wish to tell him everything, so he can help. The man is awake, and this song remains an allegory.
He could always just be recounting the dream, the parts that he remembers at least. All they said is he was in bad condition and wasn't talking in LK, the dream could have been from years ago for all we know.
rogerdoger
07-13-2006, 01:08 PM
Yes, many tiems. I've only been able to intentionally induce it once. I didn't try controlling my surroundings, but I'm sure I could have as I knew I was dreaming and enjoyed every second of it. This was in a time of my life when I had months of free time where I didn't work or have any other responsibilities like school, girlfriend, etc... I dedicated this time of my life to playing video games and lucid dreaming. I just did what I wanted to and slept when I wanted. this is very good for the mind to be able to sleep only when you feel tired...it was the happiest time of my life and probably always will be unless I ever do it again.
Back to the topic:
"while calming me down with some orange slices and fetal spooning, the E.T. creature revealed to me his singular purpose"
This has to be a dream. The only explanation for somethign as abscure as orange slice weilding aliens is a cracked out dream. I coudl totally dream something like this.
Don't people use orange slices to calm people down on a bad trip or something? I think I read something about that on here once, which would actually support the drug theory... I think I'm stronger on the dream one though.
rogerdoger
07-13-2006, 01:09 PM
hahaha...i like this thread
Yea me too.
dancingflame
07-13-2006, 01:16 PM
oh wow, guess you know everything. Id like to break your face :)
Anyways, i like that, a different approach than the obvious drug induced state.
oh...sorry...all i wanted was to be funny and you mistreated my feelings... :(
sorry for taking away your "i-know-everything"- role...it will not happen again ;)
peace, bitch!!!
rogerdoger
07-13-2006, 01:21 PM
[QUOTE=Nikola Petrovic]oh wow, guess you know everything. Id like to break your face :)
QUOTE]
Don't be a jackass about it, Dancingflame was just trying to be suportive.
somniferous
07-13-2006, 01:22 PM
actually, vitamin C to my understanding is supposed to increase the effects of hallucinagins (spellin?) but both are good interpretations....who knows, make what you can of it
rogerdoger
07-13-2006, 02:09 PM
Yea, that's what I had always thought, like people say to drink orange juice to trip harder... I was confused when I first read about the orange peel thing too, but it would make sense in the song (making the assumption it's about drugs) to be calming the guy down or whatever...
LabRat404
07-14-2006, 05:58 AM
actually, vitamin C to my understanding is supposed to increase the effects of hallucinagins (spellin?) but both are good interpretations....who knows, make what you can of it
maybe the "alien" which was probably just one of his friends -- which he percieved as an alien -- was trying to make him trip bigger, ...
hallucinogens are seriously crazy shit. His friend could have said "are you ok?" and he'd perceive it as "I am an all knowing being here to show you how to masturbate correctly"
Gnome_Chomsky
07-14-2006, 05:36 PM
The whole "Strapped down to my bed" line makes more sense with this. It's as though he was having a bad dream and couldn't wake up. I like this theory quite a bit and it applys more to me then the whole drug trip, so its easier for me to see the interpretation.
Aunt Acid
07-14-2006, 07:11 PM
This has to be a dream. The only explanation for somethign as abscure as orange slice weilding aliens is a cracked out dream. I coudl totally dream something like this.
And nobody could ever acid trip it could they? Especially considering people often eat oranges on their trips because it's beleived something in them kicks it into full gear. And lets not forget Aliens are often associated with anal probing (spooning).
BlanketEffect
07-14-2006, 09:04 PM
The dream idea is valid... but I think it's wrong. From the LSD/other psychedelic standpoint it makes total sense. Who the hell goes to the hospital for a nightmare?
Come on guys. Pull your head out.
Systolic
07-14-2006, 09:22 PM
I like this idea...
On the Toolband newsletter back in the day with the Ouija Board working "Obelisong", they ask about Rosetta Stoned - and the Ouija Board says that the song is about "Learning Divine Knowledge but forgetting".. of course its all in Enochian, (Go look at it if you doubt me).... but you see my point.
So yeah good thinking there.
asdf25
07-14-2006, 10:14 PM
I don't see where there's any particularly good evidence that it's about a dream. There are certainly lots of acid references.
More to the point, does it really matter? Is there really that much of a difference between having thought you discovered all the answers to the universe while dreaming and couldn't quite put it together when awake, and having the same thing happen to you on acid? Same experience either way. Except in my experience that kind of thing usually only happens on drugs, especially given the intensity of the experience from the song.
Carbonatedgravy
07-14-2006, 10:37 PM
More to the point, does it really matter? Is there really that much of a difference between having thought you discovered all the answers to the universe while dreaming and couldn't quite put it together when awake, and having the same thing happen to you on acid? Same experience either way. Except in my experience that kind of thing usually only happens on drugs, especially given the intensity of the experience from the song.
Damn, beaten to it.
All I'll add is that the analogy, be it dream/acid trip/whatever is beside the point of the song. Go with whatever entertains or enlightens you more.
mr. nikki jensen
07-15-2006, 07:08 AM
began at 2 am...while I was SLEEPING
...random crazy dreary stuff strung together from a dream...
fading in and out of consciousness
incorporating random shit I did throught the day...krispy kreame, sudafed, sunkist, ...The X Files, aliens, conspiracy...
and I dreamt about aliens and conspiracy and the end of days, and I knew everything about everything because I was in that ultimate all-knowing delerium between sleep and consciousness.
but when I woke up I couldn't rememebr any of it! God Damnit, shit my bed, so to say.
I had the world in my hands
I knew everything
I coudln't have rememeber when I woke up
should have wrote it down
goddamnit
I could have saved the world
answered every question that ever was
goddamnit, shit the bed
dont know what it was
wont ever know, goddamnit
nice..
RedMetalSox
07-15-2006, 11:59 AM
began at 2 am...while I was SLEEPING
...random crazy dreary stuff strung together from a dream...
fading in and out of consciousness
incorporating random shit I did throught the day...krispy kreame, sudafed, sunkist, ...The X Files, aliens, conspiracy...
and I dreamt about aliens and conspiracy and the end of days, and I knew everything about everything because I was in that ultimate all-knowing delerium between sleep and consciousness.
but when I woke up I couldn't rememebr any of it! God Damnit, shit my bed, so to say.
I had the world in my hands
I knew everything
I coudln't have rememeber when I woke up
should have wrote it down
goddamnit
I could have saved the world
answered every question that ever was
goddamnit, shit the bed
dont know what it was
wont ever know, goddamnit
i dont buy it
rogerdoger
07-17-2006, 06:36 AM
I don't know, I still like the dream idea. There are some good supports for it, such as the strapped down to my bed line. Also the idea of it all starting at 2 A.M., which would be a good time for someone to be dreaming.
meatchunk
07-17-2006, 06:43 AM
“Rosetta Stoned” is kind of a reference to the irresponsible way to try and expand your mind through drugs." Adam Jones from issue of Decibel Magazine
wearethestories
07-17-2006, 07:55 AM
right...
I think you can take the DREAM idea further and simply revert back to the "trip" idea that everyone else seems to subscribe to. Instead of it being the "random shit throughout the day", it's the "random shit you're doing NOW" that you can't quite place in reality/surreality. It's that space between knowing what's real and what's not --- that state being induced by "Deadhead chemistry".
Caduceus11
07-17-2006, 09:58 AM
Decibel magazine>? Never heard of it...someone should get a site together linking any interviews they've seen...or maybe there is one...because if we get str8 to the source I think we can get some answers.
weesper
07-17-2006, 10:41 AM
From the interview:
There are two song titles on the new album—“The Pot” and “Rosetta Stoned”—that could obviously be interpreted as drug references, even though at least one of them isn’t.
Right—“The Pot” is just short for “The pot calling the kettle black.” “Rosetta Stoned” is kind of a reference to the irresponsible way to try and expand your mind through drugs.
http://www.decibelmagazine.com/features/aug2006/tool.aspx
I'm not linking this to the threads where people are still arguing over this over @ the the pot discussion
LabRat404
07-17-2006, 12:04 PM
And nobody could ever acid trip it could they? Especially considering people often eat oranges on their trips because it's beleived something in them kicks it into full gear. And lets not forget Aliens are often associated with anal probing (spooning).
I'm sure orange slices contain 100% non-natural flavor.
....that is if we're talking about the candy orange slices, which is what I got the impression of.
LabRat404
07-17-2006, 12:05 PM
The dream idea is valid... but I think it's wrong. From the LSD/other psychedelic standpoint it makes total sense. Who the hell goes to the hospital for a nightmare?
Come on guys. Pull your head out.
maybe it was part of the dream
don't abandon possibility
This seems to be a love it or hate it theory. Why not just say he had this dream while tripping? heh.
Aunt Acid
07-17-2006, 12:26 PM
I'm sure orange slices contain 100% non-natural flavor.
....that is if we're talking about the candy orange slices, which is what I got the impression of.
I immediately thought of actual slices of oranges, because people drink orange juice and eat oranges all the time because they beleive it makes you trip harder. It's still debatable whether they do or not because it's next to impossible to run scientific tests on LSD (not as in "Doing tests while tripping"), but from personal experience and through experiences of people close to me, I beleive that this is true. I think it's pretty funny that Maynard said he ate them to calm him down, and I always thought that line as sarcastic because fetal/anal/eatull spooning doesn't really calm you down either.
Caduceus11
07-17-2006, 03:48 PM
Maynard never said he ate them. Who says this character in the song is Maynard>?
As for the orange slices, yea, I've heard and tried the same thing myself, but really how can you tell. All the variables that go into tripping are different everytime, so you'll never really know if the vitaminC actually enhances things or not...I don't think there's a measurement on trip-intensity anyway....
Aunt Acid
07-17-2006, 03:59 PM
Maynard never said he ate them. Who says this character in the song is Maynard>?
I never really said the character was Maynard. I said "I think it's pretty funny that Maynard (Person A) says he (Person B) ate them to calm him (Person B) down..." refering to Maynard as the lyric writer.
BlanketEffect
07-17-2006, 05:41 PM
Well, I know chewing up chewing up orange flavored vitamin C tablets immediately after downing Ayahuasca helped with the taste. As for making the trip more potent... yeah, how do you compare something like that?
Gnome_Chomsky
07-17-2006, 07:39 PM
I immediately thought of actual slices of oranges, because people drink orange juice and eat oranges all the time because they beleive it makes you trip harder. It's still debatable whether they do or not because it's next to impossible to run scientific tests on LSD (not as in "Doing tests while tripping"), but from personal experience and through experiences of people close to me, I beleive that this is true. I think it's pretty funny that Maynard said he ate them to calm him down, and I always thought that line as sarcastic because fetal/anal/eatull spooning doesn't really calm you down either.
I've never tripped so this may be way off. Maybe the fact that he was "calmed down" could actually be that the trip became more real then the real world. Maybe that pushed him over the edge and the trip was now "so real" that it seemd less frightening then if he were simply tripping. It was now real to him, he was no longer tripping in his mind that he no longer was frantic over what was real and what was fake.
I dont know what goes through your head whilst tripping so this is probably way off. But maybe it isnt, I'm not sure so I thought id get it out there.
Aunt Acid
07-17-2006, 08:23 PM
I've never tripped so this may be way off. Maybe the fact that he was "calmed down" could actually be that the trip became more real then the real world. Maybe that pused him over the edge and the trip was now "so real" that it seemd less frightening then if he were simply tripping. It was now real to him, he was no longer tripping in his mind that he no longer was frantic over what was real and what was fake.
I dont know what goes through your head whilst tripping so this is probably way off. But maybe it isnt, I'm not sure so I thought id get it out there.
Nice. That's kinda how I always felt about it. I always imagined the alien telling him "Here, eat some oranges, they'll calm you down" or something. Just a funny image in my mind.
LabRat404
07-19-2006, 06:08 AM
it's next to impossible to run scientific tests on LSD
the CIA practically invented LSD. research into mind control and brain washing. true story. thats not to say they were successful. but then again, how would we know?
There are documentaries about how CIA agents on the project would put LSD in other Agent's coffee, not to mention other civilians, without their knowledge just to see what would happen.
I think it's pretty funny that Maynard said he ate them to calm him down
Maybe he had to trip harder to accept the hallucination as real.
magdalena.
07-19-2006, 05:20 PM
You're a dream.
what about the verse "fuck me/it's gotta be/deadhead chemistry/the blotter got on top of me/it's got me seeing e-motherfuckin-t"...i like the dream idea and all but it just doesn't make sense
LabRat404
07-24-2006, 06:26 AM
what about the verse "fuck me/it's gotta be/deadhead chemistry/the blotter got on top of me/it's got me seeing e-motherfuckin-t"...i like the dream idea and all but it just doesn't make sense
so "deadhead chemistry" can't possible relate to the fact that you'r unconscious (deadhead) and dreaming? dreams are caused by some sort of chemistry in the brain.
however, the drug experience would explain his surprised reaction much better.
toocooltool
07-24-2006, 06:50 AM
Is this a test?
BlanketEffect
07-24-2006, 08:54 PM
It has to be. Everything is a test.
That said, open mind aside, whether you think the song is about the actual events of the song or an underlying metaphor about something bigger, I think the imagery is all there to completely validate the acid trip idea. More or less everything he says happened or claims to have felt can easily happen in the mind of an LSD subject. I've never had a dream where I knew the answer to the universe... other states of consciousness, however...
So anyway all I'm saying is that the subject in this song is being depicted as a guy tripping... read all the metaphors into it you want. If you've never been there you might not understand it (and truly empathize with the character in the song).
The imagery of the song is a psychedelic trip.
Period.
Brian_S
07-24-2006, 09:05 PM
the CIA practically invented LSD. research into mind control and brain washing. true story. thats not to say they were successful. but then again, how would we know?
There are documentaries about how CIA agents on the project would put LSD in other Agent's coffee, not to mention other civilians, without their knowledge just to see what would happen.
Maybe he had to trip harder to accept the hallucination as real.
LSD was synthesized in 1938 by Swiss scientist Albert Hofmann. The CIA didn't experiment with LSD until 1951.
Caduceus11
07-24-2006, 09:55 PM
Al Gore invented LSD!
LabRat404
07-25-2006, 05:45 AM
LSD was synthesized in 1938 by Swiss scientist Albert Hofmann. The CIA didn't experiment with LSD until 1951.
At least someone has their facts straight :-)
Is this a test?
It has to be
otherwise I can't go on
ArizonaBay
08-01-2006, 06:25 AM
Why are people still debating this..? It actually mentions blotter acid "Blotters got on top of me its got me seeing E mothafucking T" Its drugs not sleep.
michael127
08-02-2006, 04:25 AM
In a recent interview Adam said this song was about people believing and trying to find enlightenment through drugs
duncang
08-02-2006, 01:26 PM
I reckon its an anasthetic-induced dream, because he's in the hospital after an operation. The doctor asks him to tell him how he's feeling, but the man goes off about his weird dream.
Aunt Acid
08-02-2006, 06:14 PM
I reckon its an anasthetic-induced dream, because he's in the hospital after an operation. The doctor asks him to tell him how he's feeling, but the man goes off about his weird dream.
That would not explain why they know so little about this person.
BlanketEffect
08-02-2006, 08:50 PM
That would not explain why they know so little about this person.
Exactly. Why wouldn't the nurses know who he was. She says he has no ID. He's also in an exam room, kind of lending that he is in the ER.
It's about a slight overdose of LSD. Why must we overcomplicate things.
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