"72826" - the TOOL demo tape

[gmenright]

So, I've had an opportunity to hear the demo. I like it.

What I am really curious about is why there is no forum for discussion of this demo? Surely it's no more illicit a discussion than those regarding the rest of the albums... it was not a "leak" or some other type of no-no. Is this something that Tool has requested TDN suppress somewhat?

I realize that the demo tape was a "promo" item. I don't see any other promo items getting their own sections, so perhaps that's it then?

I'd like to suggest that the demo tape is worthy of separate discussion due to the unique nature of its content.


The songs are different versions than appear on the "proper" albums.

The songs "Cold and Ugly" and "Jerk-Off", available as live recordings on the 'Opiate' EP, are not available as a "studio" recording. The 4-track recordings on the demo tape are the next best thing.

The band recorded this tape for distribution, not just for record execs and promoters, but for fans as well.

As far as I know, which admittedly might be less than some, the band has no objections regarding the fans owning or having heard the demo tape.


I know my opinion of the recording is pretty high, given that I've always wanted a non-live recording of 'Cold and Ugly' and that the early version of 'Sober' is actually quite stirring in its own way, but what I'd really like to read is others' opinions of this album.

I also want to know what 72826 means.

[Amorphous Logo]

This "72826" sounds like something I want to hear.

[Liam]

seek and ye shall find

[Big Fat Matt]

ive heard it. its ok. sound quality is poor, but given that its a demo, ill put up with it. I look at it as what it is. its not a CD, its just a litle tidbit if you will of what tool was, and how some songs have evolved [lyrical difference between versions in sober].

3/5 in my opinion.

[opiated]

Where can you get it at? I found one place, but I'm not too fond of buying things online.

[swaps]

I also want to know what 72826 means.
72826 is "satan" spelled out on a phone keypad.

[Big Fat Matt]

Where can you get it at? I found one place, but I'm not too fond of buying things online.
I found a torrent on Mininova along the lines of "tool- toolshed demo, 1992"

or was it 1990? im not sure.

[5th Eye]

1991.

[Abeo]

ive heard it
and its kinda eehh, but hey its a demo
still cool though

[hushypushy]

i think it's pretty cool, they should remaster it and rerelease it. no, really they should. here's why:

1. it's pretty neat. slight differences, and just the fact that it's them..younger. you can tell in Maynard's voice.
2. for all the Tool whores that will buy ANYTHING with the word "Tool" on it, including those way overpriced DVDs (which, admittedly, i bought).

see, fans are happy (something to hear), record label is happy (moneyyyy), and band is, well, i dunno. maybe they're embarrassed.

there isn't a 72826 forum because, well, why should there be a forum for every promo and demo ever? go to toolcollector.net, they've released a lot of neato promo things (man i really want the Schism digipack, among others), but no use really discussing em.

[Absolute_Zero]

Does anyone own this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_%28album%29

I'll be honest here--I didn't even know it existed until about 2 weeks ago. If you don't own it, have you heard it?

I guess its really OGT '91 now ....

[dracomordag]

i had heard of it, but i dont think even Ryan owns it

[resonance.]

Woah... "Cold & Ugly" and "Jerk-Off" studio versions? Where the fuck are they?!

[Johnny Truant]

I used to have it on my comp, dont know what happened to the files though.

[moneyisevil]

i got em....

[praefector]

the studio cuts of those songs are craptastic

never seen an original pressing ....the mp3s are all over the place though

[Chris_Brightwell]

Those demo tracks are pretty common, but a legit copy of the tape is hard to come by.

[Culb]

the album used to be on www.singingfish.com. But, I'm not sure if it still is.

[moneyisevil]

I have the mp3s.

They can be found here:
http://www.geocities.com/toolmilitia/raretool.htm


banned, imo

[cirkus]

banned, imo

They arent selling those demo songs, so I believe its free trade like live songs...

But if a mod wants to remove the link, feel free.

[slamminsalmon]

yeah ive heard the demo, the quality is lacking

[Melkari]

I got the MP3s from here years ago. In fact, I think it was even Brightwell that posted it.

The Jerk-Off studio version's pretty cool. Sober's been through some changes.

[Bogart]

I dont have the cassette, but I do have the demos on a bootleg cd I bought.

[TurdEye13]

can't say I do

[Cid]

i have the mp3s as well. i've never actually seen the tape.

[Big Fat Matt]

have this and the AEnima demos

[ryan.richardson3]

who cares.... tape heh

[hushypushy]

the quality is crap, but it's kind of neat to hear it.

I guess its really OGT '91 now ....

well, given that he also says "from the first EP", and Opiate was the first EP, released in 92, i think it's still valid as 92....he doesn't say "from the first demo" now does he? ;)

[Stinkfyst]

have this and the AEnima demos

I would love to hear those AEnima demos. You should PM me about that sometime concerning you sending those to me if possible. :D

[unwise]

Just looking on ebay, it appears there is one up for sale...

http://cgi.ebay.com/TOOL-Demo-91-Promo-casette-tape-72826-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ140044531280QQihZ004QQcategoryZ1600Q QcmdZViewItem

Bid away my yankee friends.

[Kt3]

72826 corresponds to the word "Satan" spelled out on a phone keypad

[mr. nikki jensen]

72826 is "satan" spelled out on a phone keypad.

i noticed that too.

i would be nice with a copy of this demo tape. for the collection

[InertUniformity]

used to be on deadohiosky... that site had everything

[Salvatorin]

i think the demo tape is really nice, the songs have somewhat crappy sound, but its actually not that bad.

The sober one is really good.

[O.G.T.92]

Not really important, but I did a search on ebay of 72826 to see if maybe an original cassette might happen to be there (it wasn't), and what comes up is a specific circular saw blade that looks just like the lateralus artwork thing. They named it 72826 Found it mildly amusing.

[-qn-]

There's one on Ebay now. Sawblades are still there too.

[Opiate_Mass]

if anyone's interested, there's another copy of the demo up NOW http://cgi.ebay.com/TOOL-cassette-72826-demo-promo-tape-1991-before-Opiate_W0QQitemZ170095049760QQcategoryZ1600QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Opiate_Mass]

Not really important, but I did a search on ebay of 72826 to see if maybe an original cassette might happen to be there (it wasn't), and what comes up is a specific circular saw blade that looks just like the lateralus artwork thing. They named it 72826 Found it mildly amusing.
and 72826 is the quote number....

[Opiate_Mass]

duh...

[stoner]

Found this on Ebay Australia:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180333505491&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:AU:1123

[GyroscopesAndInfared]

this is a great demo. i have the mp3's but if the chance presented its self i would deffinatly buy it

[RayBourque777]

won't help the brain dead, nothing will, they need to either be protected or destroyed depending on how you look at it. unless your swedish like me, then you just sit back and watch from that neutral ground on top of a mountain in Colorado vis a vis Hunter S. Thompson. Don't forget your motherfucking pen

[Carny_Handles]

^ what are you babbling about?


I too have the demo, but i dont have the complete opiate song though :( If someone wants to PM me just that song, i'd appreciate it.

[RayBourque777]

I'm not really sure exactly.... something along the lines of I have no idea what I'm talking about but, it's really cool/scary/real/intense/ruthless/caring and mindfucking. I realize this is a poor explanation so I'll go smoke a cigarette or two and get back to you.

[RayBourque777]

"Don't even know what that means but remember to write it down" I still don't really know what that means but I have a few different ideas, the following I thought at one time was, but now I don't think is, at least not for me.

Late last spring/early summer was when I said aloud ---- "Ok i believe you, something, it whatever the fuck you are is there. I believe it. Now show me something" --- it began gradually without me really noticing, and looking back I see it's been there the whole time, in a way, maybe. By November I didn't know what the fuck was going on and it was scaring/confusing me in ways I didn't understand, making me crazy for lack of a better word. On 11/27/09 I asked it to go away for a little while. The next day it revealed to me that - It was in charge and It wasn't going anywhere --

I began writing down some of the incidents, they're not really incidents though, more of a notion/feeling/being told to look at the clock without wanting to know what time it is.

11/28/09 -- 12:34am (holy fuckin shit) the thought in my head at the time was "it can't be this easy" in reference to a project I was working on.

11/28/09 -- 11:11pm this things going to take a couple more fucking hours

12/2/09 -- 11:11pm - it's weird, it can't be real, but it is. It is.

12/4/09 -- 12:12am -- working on a drawing of 46&2, all this punishment leads to a reward of some sort, some day, maybe?

12/10/09 -- 2:22pm -- But I forgot my pen

12/15/09 -- 15:15pm -- (holy fuckin shit) the computer incident I mention on the 5:11/7:31/9:51 post

12/19/09 -- 1:11pm -- John Cougar Mellancamp on Lazer 99.3, nothing about this makes any sense.

12/20/09 -- 12:34am -- a strange twist in a new story that made absolutely no sense, but at the same time made perfect sense and was clear as day.

12/22/09 -- 10:10pm -- work, work, work, if you don't do the work nothing will ever get done.

12/23/09 -- 11:11 -- something about Saturday (I cant read my writing)

12/24/09 -- 2:34 in the AM apparently

12/28/09 -- 2:43 of all times, some sort of shift, change, new direction, new layer of complexity perhaps, I dont know.

12/29/09 -- 12:34 HOLY FUCKIN SHIT, the sound of madness

I realize none of this means anything and a person can stand in front of a clock waiting for the certain times to come around, but thats not how it works. This sort of thing can also make someone crazy, do stupid shit, hurt themselves/others for absolutely no reason, isolation, decimation, dislocation, in temptation and so on. At the same time this "thing" creates alternatives that can be very positive and have the potential to be very creative and it's just good advice to direct any sort pent up rage that this thing may cause in a positive manner. The bad, has the potential to be very bad I fear, but if this is true then the good has the potential to be very, very good.

Should thoughts like "hit the cat, kick the dog, make fun of/hit/abuse" someone pop into your head, which I can assure you they will, DO NOT entertain them. A few months ago they were popping into mine and I discarded them immediately and went drawing pictures, writing stories, or singing jerk-off, maybe occasionally smoking a little weed, but not getting shitfaced on Vodka or sniffing up a bunch of pills, that way when the circle came around again in slightly different/more intense form i knew enough not to let it get to me.

*this may not even be true, I don't know because I did not want to, nor will I, go there* The way this thing may work is if you entertain those sorts of thoughts it will make you like them/want to pursue them for reasons you can't even explain. I don't know if thats true but it seems like it may be logical.

Oh these little times and dates I posted up here from a few months ago don't really mean much and I realize that. It's just another step down the rabbit hole. I'm probably going go Timefuck the 09-10 hockey page in a little bit if only because that seems like the place to do it, and in case anyone is wondering the only reason i'm writing any of this such shit is so that are people that are getting these little "wake up calls" they'll know they're not going crazy, you still can't really talk about it with anyone, but..... well I dont know, interpret it in your own way I suppose.

The reason being that this thing infuses it's way into real life, an easier way of saying might just be to say that I'm insane, and that is likely the case, but in the real world a person can only be considered insane if they are a danger to themselves or others (which I am not), if their friends/family/co-workers etc say they are (which they do not) and if they are incapable of keeping themselves alive. Hold down a job, pay your bills, keep relations with friends and family positive and if you choose to run be careful you don't end up under a bridge somewhere.

Do not let this thing consume your life, otherwise I'm pretty sure it will consume your life. Live your life with it, and if it's leading you in a good direction follow it, if not, well I don't know what to say because mine seems to be leading me in a positive direction so crazy or not I'm going to follow it.

[RayBourque777]

you know nothing about me

[InertUniformity]

"Don't even know what that means but remember to write it down" I still don't really know what that means but I have a few different ideas, the following I thought at one time was, but now I don't think is, at least not for me.

Late last spring/early summer was when I said aloud ---- "Ok i believe you, something, it whatever the fuck you are is there. I believe it. Now show me something" --- it began gradually without me really noticing, and looking back I see it's been there the whole time, in a way, maybe. By November I didn't know what the fuck was going on and it was scaring/confusing me in ways I didn't understand, making me crazy for lack of a better word. On 11/27/09 I asked it to go away for a little while. The next day it revealed to me that - It was in charge and It wasn't going anywhere --

I began writing down some of the incidents, they're not really incidents though, more of a notion/feeling/being told to look at the clock without wanting to know what time it is.

11/28/09 -- 12:34am (holy fuckin shit) the thought in my head at the time was "it can't be this easy" in reference to a project I was working on.

11/28/09 -- 11:11pm this things going to take a couple more fucking hours

12/2/09 -- 11:11pm - it's weird, it can't be real, but it is. It is.

12/4/09 -- 12:12am -- working on a drawing of 46&2, all this punishment leads to a reward of some sort, some day, maybe?

12/10/09 -- 2:22pm -- But I forgot my pen

12/15/09 -- 15:15pm -- (holy fuckin shit) the computer incident I mention on the 5:11/7:31/9:51 post

12/19/09 -- 1:11pm -- John Cougar Mellancamp on Lazer 99.3, nothing about this makes any sense.

12/20/09 -- 12:34am -- a strange twist in a new story that made absolutely no sense, but at the same time made perfect sense and was clear as day.

12/22/09 -- 10:10pm -- work, work, work, if you don't do the work nothing will ever get done.

12/23/09 -- 11:11 -- something about Saturday (I cant read my writing)

12/24/09 -- 2:34 in the AM apparently

12/28/09 -- 2:43 of all times, some sort of shift, change, new direction, new layer of complexity perhaps, I dont know.

12/29/09 -- 12:34 HOLY FUCKIN SHIT, the sound of madness

I realize none of this means anything and a person can stand in front of a clock waiting for the certain times to come around, but thats not how it works. This sort of thing can also make someone crazy, do stupid shit, hurt themselves/others for absolutely no reason, isolation, decimation, dislocation, in temptation and so on. At the same time this "thing" creates alternatives that can be very positive and have the potential to be very creative and it's just good advice to direct any sort pent up rage that this thing may cause in a positive manner. The bad, has the potential to be very bad I fear, but if this is true then the good has the potential to be very, very good.

Should thoughts like "hit the cat, kick the dog, make fun of/hit/abuse" someone pop into your head, which I can assure you they will, DO NOT entertain them. A few months ago they were popping into mine and I discarded them immediately and went drawing pictures, writing stories, or singing jerk-off, maybe occasionally smoking a little weed, but not getting shitfaced on Vodka or sniffing up a bunch of pills, that way when the circle came around again in slightly different/more intense form i knew enough not to let it get to me.

*this may not even be true, I don't know because I did not want to, nor will I, go there* The way this thing may work is if you entertain those sorts of thoughts it will make you like them/want to pursue them for reasons you can't even explain. I don't know if thats true but it seems like it may be logical.

Oh these little times and dates I posted up here from a few months ago don't really mean much and I realize that. It's just another step down the rabbit hole. I'm probably going go Timefuck the 09-10 hockey page in a little bit if only because that seems like the place to do it, and in case anyone is wondering the only reason i'm writing any of this such shit is so that are people that are getting these little "wake up calls" they'll know they're not going crazy, you still can't really talk about it with anyone, but..... well I dont know, interpret it in your own way I suppose.

The reason being that this thing infuses it's way into real life, an easier way of saying might just be to say that I'm insane, and that is likely the case, but in the real world a person can only be considered insane if they are a danger to themselves or others (which I am not), if their friends/family/co-workers etc say they are (which they do not) and if they are incapable of keeping themselves alive. Hold down a job, pay your bills, keep relations with friends and family positive and if you choose to run be careful you don't end up under a bridge somewhere.

Do not let this thing consume your life, otherwise I'm pretty sure it will consume your life. Live your life with it, and if it's leading you in a good direction follow it, if not, well I don't know what to say because mine seems to be leading me in a positive direction so crazy or not I'm going to follow it.


Wow. This is really something else.

[RayBourque777]

Yesterday I dropped off a letter to 99.3 a local radio station that helped me out recently. In the letter I flat out claimed, among other things that I am some sort of cross between Hunter S. Thompson and Maynard James Keenan. I also included several of those pictures I drew. When I went out there to drop it off Monday night it was past business hours so I had to leave it in a bucket of ice melt outside the front door.

The next morning I called the morning DJ and told her I left her a present outside and that she should send someone out to get it. She half-jokingly asked if it was ticking or if there was a white powder inside and I was like, no, I drew you some pictures and wrote you a letter. She asked if she could read it on the air if anything interesting was in it, and I said sure just as long as you don't say my name, then she asked if I was nuts and was like yes, absolutely.

She played that whole goddamn interview on the air, then about a half hour later came on and read part of that letter
"I've heard people say that you don't need to prove anything to anyone -- until recently I suppose I believed that but I now realize that everything has to be proven. So when I go making the claim that I am some sort of cross between Hunter S. Thompson and Maynard James Keenan I don't expect you to believe it nor will I be able to prove it, but I will offer somewhat of an explanation as to why I have the potential to become that in the near future"

Then she went on to say "these drawings here look like maps of some sort, I'm going to read you guys something off of one of them -- come embrace my- desire to - come embrace my - desire to - feel the rythym - to - feel connected - enough to step aside and - weep like a widow - to - feel inspired - to - fathom the power - to witness the beauty - bathe in the fountain - to swing on the spiral. -- I don't know you guys this guy sounded sane on the phone but this stuff here is that thin, thin line between genius and insanity."

It was pretty neat, I announced to the world on the radio that I was the next Hunter S. Thompson except I am of the same design of Maynard James Keenan.

You don't go around making claims that you are of the same design of Maynard James Keenan unless you are.

[RayBourque777]

I miss being as crazy as that guy. How the hell did I ever get "sane" anyway?

You poor fool, why would you ever get "sane" HST and MJK never got sane and look where it landed them.

[Carny_Handles]

You don't go around making claims that you are of the same design of Maynard James Keenan unless you are.


The same logic can be said for the crazy homeless guy downtown claiming he is jesus christ.

Not to scare you, but your number here is 2875169, i think you should take that as a warning.