What about the aliens?

[Crucify the Ego]

This is the band that did "faaip de oiad". This is also the band who has had many posts and newsletters talking about visiting Area 51 and even getting escorted off by gunpoint. Blair recently made a post describing the UFO's he's personally seen. It should be clear that at a minimum, the band is interested in the facility that the government claims "doesn't exist". At a maximum though, I'd say the members are full blown believers in UFO's and extra-terrestrials (or extra-dimensionals?).
Why then is everyone convinced that this is just a crazy rant from some guy who's tripping balls even though the lyrics make little if no reference to drug use. Here's my theory on Lost Keys (Blame Hofmann); The title is like from the perspective of the medical doctors. Doctor: "This guy has completely lost his marbles (keys)" Nurse: "How should we write it up?" Doctor:"He's obviously tripping mad balls........Blame Hofmann" This doesn't mean that it's Hofmann's fault, or that he even ever took LSD, it's just the doctor's rationalization. But more than that, it's the rationalization of anyone who doesn't buy any of the alien stuff, which is most people on this site. People are just blaming Hofmann for the crazy story that is Rosetta Stoned.
If you read the lyrics to Rosetta Stoned, it appears that he has a recollection of many specific things of that night. He had a box of krispy kremes, he spilled a diet soda on his birkenstocks, but he forgets to mention dropping any acid. Well at the beginning he says the alien had him crying out, "Fuck me, It's gotta be, Deadhead, Chemistry, The blotter got on top of me, Got me seein', E-motherfuckin'-T!" For the sake of argument i'll say he does say the blotter (which is an acid paper), to illustrate that it doesn't really matter. The man in the story is freaking out at what he just saw and what he's seeing, thinking holy shit this has got to be some sort of acid flashback. But then he gets calmed down and ET is still there. And later he even starts saying "You believe me, don't you?
Please believe what I just said!....And this WASNT all in my head." I think that at this point there's two options, the man has completely lost touch with reality and everything that he's seeing IS in his head even though he's completely convinced it's not (which is what most on these threads seem to think), OR he actually had an alien encounter but nobody believes him, everyone just thinks he's crazy, and this is about where he gets strapped down to the bed (although i find it curious he says on MY bed....but i thought he was in a hospital?)

For a little background on me I have to say that I have seen two UFO's in my lifetime. The first was a massive triangle with red, blue, green, and yellow lights (I think 7 lights in all) It was very low to the ground and made almost no sounds. It should be known that i live about 15 minutes away from Offutt Air Force Base, so it could have been some aircraft from there, but to me it was a UFO (It was Unidentified, it was flying, and i'm pretty sure it was an object). The second was definately extra-dimensional. It was a glowing ball of greenish plasma floating just over the cornfields, and a few of my friends were with me. The ball flew slowly for about 50 feet than erupted into all kinds of different colored flashing lights, and disappeared.

With such experiences in my background, this song spoke to me in a very different way than it is to many of you. If any of you have ever had a supernatural experience, let me tell you it is one of the most awkward things to tell to a nonbeliever. More than that though it straight pisses me off. After I saw the triangular aircraft, I ran to my friends and started explaining and of course the first reaction was laughter and disbelief. I can't tell you how infuriating this is, you can not dismiss what you just saw but the world is just telling you to forget about it, and act like it never happened. If any on here have seen ghosts or anything like that, you also will know what I'm talking about, there's no way that your mind can be changed, because you know what you saw, yet there's people in front of you saying I DONT BELIEVE YOU. I think that this is one of the themes of this song (But certainly not the only one).

If any on here have had similar experiences please chime in, so i dont get torn apart. BTW a recent poll says that 37% of Americans believe in ghosts, and 62% believe that we've been visited by extra-terrestrials at some point in history.

[Gnome_Chomsky]

I think you have somthign here.

[Gnome_Chomsky]

Although there are alot of drug refferances in the song.

[swampyfool]

That's an interesting perspective. I would offer one bit of information to refute it, though. Many people (myself included) who claim that they have had contact with extra-dimensional beings claim that they use psychedelic drugs as a tool in, or even a guide to their explorations. The theory goes that these drugs trigger portions of the unused and uncharted gray matter enabling the "viewer" (for lack of a better term) to percieve things that are already there, yet imperceptible to the standard human mindframe.

This theory does not exclude encounters with extra-dimensional beings without the aid of such drugs. Brain chemistry is as diverse as fingerprints, and many stimuli (environment, meditation, trauma, et al) can cause shifts in said chemistry that effect the way energy navigates our synaptic pathways. It is possible (probable?) that many people (and maybe animals?) are born with an extremely active third eye, and have the ability to see these extra-dimensional beings at any given moment. Unfortunately, such specimens of human existence would likely be deluged with medical and psychological opinions rendering them delusional. They would likely spend their lives medicating away a reality that won't leave until they manage to remove their third eyes completely.

In continuation of this theory, for the rest of us stimulus may be required to achieve this otherworldly perception. Given what little we know about brain chemistry, stimulus could refer to a wide array of "events" (again, for lack of a better term); ranging from the significant and dramatic (head trauma) to the trivial and mundane (caramel syrup on vanilla ice cream). It's that wide open. Thus, for the purposes of this discussion, I would like to establish four classifications for such stimuli. Consider, if you will, my Punnet Square: 1.) Unintentional, self-inflicted stimulus, refering to diet, powerful memory, or the clarity (emptiness?) achieved when a long-term routine breaches the threshold of subconcious reaction; 2.) Unintentional, externally inflicted stimulus, refering to events such as head trauma, chemical exposure (fumes), or near-death experience; 3.) Intentional, self-inflicted stimulus, refering to mysticism/meditation (religious or secular), travel to many of the reputed "spiritual vorteces" of the world (Mt. Shasta in CA being one example that I can verify; the boxcar at the Holocaust Museum of the Smithsonian being one example that I would suggest), or psychedelic drugs; 4.) Intentional, externally infllicted stimulus, refering to a phenomenon that I'm sure exists, yet for which I cannot fathom an example (as the terms are seemingly contradictory).

The point of all of this theo-rhetorical rambling is as follows. Assuming (based on your accounts) you didn't trip headlong and smack your forehead, and also that you didn't eat a buttload of mushrooms or drink a vial of LSD prior to your encounter with what you believe was an extra-dimensional being; you still could have been influenced by any of the numerous, unintentional stimuli- thus allowing you to fully appreciate what would have been there whether you were able to see it or not.

I think that this ties in with the lyrical selection you have highlighted: "Fuck me, It's gotta be, Deadhead, Chemistry, The blotter got on top of me, Got me seein', E-motherfuckin'-T!" It might be more in line with my personal experience (I am in no way claiming to be the subject of this narration, but . . .). When I first experimented with psychedelia, it was a purely superficial, recreational pursuit- but one can only come eyeball to eyeball with alternate REALITY so many times before the truth and magnitude of it all settles in, and is thus accepted. This song may refer to just such an epiphany. You suggest that the above lyric could indicate that he thought he was experiencing a flashback; but even after that subsided, the alien was still there in unaltered reality (and you very well may be right). I heard it more in this vein: When "E-motherfuckin'-T" first showed up, he was peaking, and thus he concluded that it was just a hallucination. However, as the effects began to mellow and this strange entity was still there waiting to talk to him, he was forced to accept the reality of visions generated by LSD. I say again that you could just as easily be right.

It really does beg the question, "What exactly is an extra-dimensional being?" But I think I've typed enough for now. It's nice to encounter a fellow writer of disortations from time to time.

[XyuTe]

With such experiences in my background, this song spoke to me in a very different way than it is to many of you. If any of you have ever had a supernatural experience, let me tell you it is one of the most awkward things to tell to a nonbeliever.

Agreed. I don't even speak about some of the things that happened to me because I'd previously been on drugs at the time so I'm not even 100% sure what the hell happened in the few weeks after I had a fallout from almost fucking my life up and ending up in some of the wierdest places I'll probably ever go to, (something that I pretty much look back on as an initiation experience) but yeah, the song means way more to me and has a lot more significance than just being some guy who freaked out on acid.

Lateralus was one of my most played albums from around that time aswell, wierdly enough, and it had just come out aswell.

But then he gets calmed down and ET is still there.

Ahahah, I can't even begin to explain how much that means to me, but to save being painted as a madman, I'll just say that the song does have a lot of relevance, and I can easily see how it will do for many others.

I guess it's just a sign of the times that a lot of people will be able to associate with this song so much.

[Opiate Son]

i have had 2 very strange experiences, including missing an hour and a half of time but the few people i have tried to tell just can't grasp it. i can identify with the frantic urgency and frustration in this song.

[M.Luther]

ive experienced lost time before (about 45 minutes)
and i wasnt under the influence of anything....it was a very odd situation.

[Crucify the Ego]

Thanks for the positive responses. Successfully Pried Open, that's some of the most interesting shit i've ever read (particularly the first two paragraphs). I've heard of things like DMT crossing people over to a different realm of existence, where they see other worldly beings and the like, and some of these people strongly believe that this very place is where we go when we die. I didn't know that LSD can be known to do the same sort of thing. One thing i have to throw out there though. You're saying that when people see extra-dimensionals that untapped portions of there brain are being triggered temporarily to see things that are already there but just unperceivable by some. So another way of saying it is that these people are leaving our reality and stepping into another existence. But i don't think that could be the case with the plasma ball my friends and I witnessed (unless the weed and beer was opening our third eyes, lol). So what I'm saying is sometimes we step through to "the other side" (like your saying), but other times (in my case) I think it's THEM coming to OUR side. Something to ponder.

[swampyfool]

You're saying that when people see extra-dimensionals that untapped portions of there brain are being triggered temporarily to see things that are already there but just unperceivable by some. So another way of saying it is that these people are leaving our reality and stepping into another existence. But i don't think that could be the case with the plasma ball my friends and I witnessed (unless the weed and beer was opening our third eyes, lol). So what I'm saying is sometimes we step through to "the other side" (like your saying), but other times (in my case) I think it's THEM coming to OUR side. Something to ponder.

Sorry to edit your text (in the quote), but I really wanted to address these points in particular. First, I would characterize this phenomenon more as more full appreciation of the reality in which we exist ordinarilly, rather than a step into a new reality. These trigger-stimuli are tools, whether employed deliberately or not, that can be used to view ordinarily invisible objects in the same, relative way that a microscope can be used to view objects that are similarly undetectable (though for a much, different reason). But that's all a matter of symantics, I suppose.

Your hypothesis that the beings crossed over is very plausible, but it doesn't seem consistent with my impression of what these things are. My experiences have involved conversations with incorporeal entities who impart wisdom such as "all that is real is imaginary and all that is imagined is real," or "you do not die, you move on . . ." My experiences are similar to Bill Hicks' routine about eating mushrooms, meeting "aliens" and recieving ministrations from them (which I'm sure was embellished for comedic effect, while I'm doubly sure that the gist was rooted in his own, personal experience . . .). These beings seem surprised, but by my attention rather than my presence (just my impression). They seem to be motivated by things outside of our frame of reference, thus I couldn't see what would motivate them to want to affect our reality. Of course, I can hardly claim to speak definitively about ANYTHING in regards to extra-dimensional beings- or their motives.

My point is that the categories of unintentional trigger-stimuli are so wide open, that maybe the bottle opener that you used on those beers had trace elements of some perfectly ordinary, terrestrial element, that mixed with your beer (or any other such, hair-brained, speculative nonsense) to create a trigger-stimulus that allowed you to "see" (for lack of a better term) what you "saw." Or I could just be wrong.

I guess it all boils down to the question of what these beings really are . . .

[EternalSiGN]

well i agree that the band probly believes in aliens... but the simple fact that the song title rossetta stoneD leads me 2 believe drugs are involved.. the orange slices calm down is a drug reference because if u have a buddy freaking out while taking drugs they say 2 give them orange slices...

[swampyfool]

They give you orange slices for the vitamin C (you need to replenish your vitamins after you trip anyway- it helps your body to shake the effects and the burnout). That's a good point.

[JOK3R]

well i agree that the band probly believes in aliens... but the simple fact that the song title rossetta stoneD leads me 2 believe drugs are involved.. the orange slices calm down is a drug reference because if u have a buddy freaking out while taking drugs they say 2 give them orange slices...

i agree

[ThreeDeviations]

interesting post... I'd like to hear more about the people who say to have experienced "missing time.."

I think the song kills a few birds with one stone. It sheds light on Area 51.. it speaks of LSD and its use or misuse...

But primarily, the song's main point is during the climax...

"Overwhelmed as one would be placed in my position
Such a heavy burden now to be the one
Born to bear and read to all the details of our ending
To write it down for all the world to see"

Maynard speaking about how people perceive him.. how it's a burden to be held in such high regard by a lot of people... but he does it because he thinks of it as a destiny (born to bear) and obligation... to help humanity. to warn humanity... to save humanity from humanity.

[ThreeDeviations]

By the way....

if you want a really good book on abduction.. a man's real account... the book is called "Communion" by Whitley Striber.

Very interesting..

[Fit4Demolition]

i agree with this theory. with lost keys running into this song it makes sense that something extraordinary happened to this person. an alien abduction is one of the possibilities. i dont know when or where this story is supposed to take place, but one impression i had with lost keys/rosetta stoned is that maybe the doctor gave the patient lsd to get him to talk. just an idea but i havent read any of the lyrics for any of the songs yet. also i think the patient might be a child, it doesnt seem to me like the doctor is talking to him like he would an adult. with all the ideas floating around about pretty much every song maynard has written, i think it is possible that maynard has the ability to write songs with several meanings all in one, it just depends on what maynard sings with a certain style.

i have experienced lost time at least once, that i can at least recall experiencing. i dont remember exactly when but some time ago i was just sitting around and i looked at the clock, then i looked forward and i just blinked, and looked again and it was half an hour later. i dont know if i fell asleep when i blinked or what but it was especially weird since the sun set in that half hour.

i forgot to mention that i also thought that maybe the person in rosetta stoned is the guy on the phone from faaip de oaid. in that song it seems like he is being chased down by something and then he gets caught in the end. i think this is the continuation of faaip de oaid. actually now that i think of it, ions and viginti tres also sound like they could be related to that character in faaip de oaid.

i was just looking up some stuff on wikipedia, and i looked up enochian. faaip de oaid supposedly means, voices of god, in enochian. i cant explain things well so i will just copy and paste

"Most of the vocabulary consists of names of angels derived from four acrostic tablets. Besides that, there are fewer than a thousand attested words, which appear in nineteen symbolic poems, called "keys". Dee's use of the keys is not entirely clear, although when spoken aloud, at least one key, the nineteenth, appears to lead to visions of thirty "aethers" or planes of existence."-Wikipedia

probably should go under the lost keys or faaip de oaid forums, but since it was being discussed here i thought it fit.

[swampyfool]

i agree with this theory. with lost keys running into this song it makes sense that something extraordinary happened to this person. an alien abduction is one of the possibilities. i dont know when or where this story is supposed to take place, but one impression i had with lost keys/rosetta stoned is that maybe the doctor gave the patient lsd to get him to talk. just an idea but i havent read any of the lyrics for any of the songs yet. also i think the patient might be a child, it doesnt seem to me like the doctor is talking to him like he would an adult. with all the ideas floating around about pretty much every song maynard has written, i think it is possible that maynard has the ability to write songs with several meanings all in one, it just depends on what maynard sings with a certain style.
Interesting. You know, the intended purpose for LSD was a truth syrum, yet military testing showed that it didn't have much value. Given that, I find it a little hard to believe that this doctor would administer it in a such a situation. Furthermore, the "Lost Keys" lyrics that are referenced in the original post:

Doctor: "This guy has completely lost his marbles (keys)
Nurse: "How should we write it up?"
Doctor:"He's obviously tripping mad balls........Blame Hofmann"

allow us to see that the doctor is entering a diagnosis for a prior condition.

As for the patient being a child, sober people often have a lot of trouble figuring out how to communicate with tripping people. When people are talking to old people, seriously ill people, foreigners; their lack of confidence in the communication often results in a dictation that seems aimed at a child. Thus, I find it more likely that the guy just didn't have much experience talking to people that were tripping, so he took the edge off and dumbed it down (giving the effect of speaking to a child). The response that our protagonist gives to the doctor (the entirety of Rosetta Stoned) seems to bear this out, as the perspective is very adult (Me? The chosen one? They chose me, and I didn't graduate from fuckin' high school.)

[swampyfool]

On the subject of missing time, I'd like to add this. I've never experienced lost time, but I have experienced expanded time. I have tried DMT exactly once (which may be my ceiling), and let me tell you- IT AIN'T NOTHIN' TO FUCK WITH. It was terrifying (which I don't mind- psychedelia is about epiphany, and epiphany often requires adversity), and I lost contact with all of my senses. I'm told that my eyes were wide open for most of the time, but I sure as hell wasn't using them. I began to have an out of body experience, but then suddenly, all was black (for lack of a better term). I could hear voices- but not my friend's voices. They told me that I was experiencing the "paradox of existence," and not much else. This scared the crap out of me, because I was engulfed in nothingness; blackness that I could not see- for if I could, it wouldn't have been nothing. At some point in this reverie, I actually had to accept that I NO LONGER EXISTED- an interesting thought to be sure, as its mere occurrence kinda nullifies itself. In this abyss, time ceased to exist. I'm not really sure that this is something that can be exlained to one who has not experienced it. It isn't like time stops, or one minute takes an hour or a year . . . Time just isn't (and that's a complete sentence). For all I could tell, I was under for fifteen minutes, fifteen days, fifteen decades, or fifteen hundred millenia. In our reality, it was fifteen minutes, and I was able to verify this with an examination of the clock. But to this day, my recollection is that between losing conciousness in that room and coming back into conciousness in that room, I was somewhere else for a very, very long time.

The scariest part of DMT for a veteran like myself, is the severity of possibility that one MUST accept in order to recieve anything (spiritually) from the experience. With LSD and mushrooms, I find that the most important thing is to remember that no matter how weird/uncomfortable/bad anything might seem, everything WILL be alright. All one has to do to avoid the "freak-out" is relax and remain confident in that knowledge. With DMT, my experience tells me (as does the experience of many of my close friends) that you better abandon that knowledge- like yesterday- and accept that you may have crossed some kind of a line here; that you may not be coming back in the same condition that you left. Then you have to not care whether or not you come back. Then, and only then, can you begin to learn from DMT. Suffice it to say, I think that I wasted much of my experience with the worrying. Still, I learned a lot (mostly about myself).

I would like to state further, that the above account of DMT is sorely lacking . . . There's just no way to put that on paper (or screen, for that matter) without dropping the ball. And a complete account of an experience that may have lasted for thousands of years might be a tedious chore . . .

DMT AIN'T NOTHIN' TO FUCK WITH.

[EternalSiGN]

where is everyone getting the tripping mad balls line from.. its not on my CD

also for the lost time thing.. i have never done any heavy drugs.. ive smoked a little pot but thats about it.... one of my more stoned experiance like the guy above me said time seemed 2 stop... 2 of my friends went 2 get tacos and i swear it felt like they were gone for hours when they were gone like 10mins... besides the excelent tacos i do have some black spot in that time frame.. apperently my friends dad came home and i got in a conversation witth him about the fish in his fish tank... i remember none of this all i remember is saying hi 2 him and eating my taco... i think in the song he is on more than just LSD maybe smoked a little 2 for the simle fact of him talking about eating an old box of krispy kreams... sounds like something i would do if i was stoned...

[Crucify the Ego]

where is everyone getting the tripping mad balls line from.. its not on my CD

also for the lost time thing.. i have never done any heavy drugs.. ive smoked a little pot but thats about it.... one of my more stoned experiance like the guy above me said time seemed 2 stop... 2 of my friends went 2 get tacos and i swear it felt like they were gone for hours when they were gone like 10mins... besides the excelent tacos i do have some black spot in that time frame.. apperently my friends dad came home and i got in a conversation witth him about the fish in his fish tank... i remember none of this all i remember is saying hi 2 him and eating my taco... i think in the song he is on more than just LSD maybe smoked a little 2 for the simle fact of him talking about eating an old box of krispy kreams... sounds like something i would do if i was stoned...

That trip balls line was something I said in my first post.

As for the lost time...we're all just talking about the theory of relativity and the variability of time. Einstein said, "Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute.
THAT'S relativity." And ya, weed is known to alter your time perceptions. But let me ask you: were you stoned and just sitting there doing nothing? Because think about being sober and spacing out at a wall for 10 minutes, if you don't have a clock in front of you it seems like way longer. I'd bet if you were playing videogames it wouldn't feel like a long time. As to what you described about talking to some guy and not remembering it....I call that "auto-pilot". I get that if I'm stoned and driving or walking. I'll get to where I'm going and forget all the details of what I did to get there because my mind was wondering so much. This only happens if the walk or drive is very familiar; like I think every time the drive has been while I'm coming home, so I just kind of go through the motions while I'm deep in thought of other things.

As for the eating a whole box of krispy kremes being a clue to drugs...I actually think that's sort of valid. And not to mention he's by himself and the place sounds like a sweet spot to trip at.

[EternalSiGN]

yea.. naw we had a clock yea it just felt like forever... as for the auto-pilot i never stay at that guys house so it was kinda new and that fact that his dad didn't know we were stoned i should have been freaking... but i wasn't... question as for the acid or shrooms how freaked do u get the first time and do u ever do anything stupid like try 2 walk if u cant walk...

[static_dex]

"Overwhelmed as one would be placed in my position
Such a heavy burden now to be the one
Born to bear and read to all the details of our ending
To write it down for all the world to see"

Maynard speaking about how people perceive him.. how it's a burden to be held in such high regard by a lot of people... but he does it because he thinks of it as a destiny (born to bear) and obligation... to help humanity. to warn humanity... to save humanity from humanity.
I see your perspective entirely, but the "message" that he is given, the "message of hope for those who choose to hear and a warning for those who do not" but then can't remember, well, that's irony. As for the actual message? What did the (IMO) acid-taking narrator get from the ET beings?

I've certainly lost time, more than once, for around 4 hours once when locked out of my house and depressed and stoned and freezing my ass off in a barn. And I've been treated like the patient is in Lost Keys in a psychiatric ward in Holland, not very stoned but having flashbacks? not exactly flashbacks, its very hard to describe, but a perpetual state of deja vu. I remember fragments but I was apparently outwardly stable for quite a long time. And then came to, not naked and thank goodness with a very close and concerned friend, but was strapped to a bed.

Encounters with magic mushrooms have certainly warped my perception of time hugely, as have pipes of salvia.

Only the first time I did magic mushrooms would I say I had any sort of experience with an extra-terrestrial. A friend was at the time trying to explain astral planing. And looking back, I guess that's what I was doing at the time. And I encountered some form of sentient presense in the space well outside normal perception. I was able to communicate in some extra-sensory sense and may indeed have had some wisdom blessed upon me. But god damn! I can't remember what it said. Or maybe I can, and its not something I want to share...

To be honest, its not something I think about very much, I'm aware of things existing beyond everyday human perception but its not something I can control in my current mindset, so you know, unless you're a shaman its not really socially ok to be under the influence of hallucinogens.

[Crucify the Ego]

For those claimed to have experience lost time (like this guy above me), you might want to try getting hypnotized. I've heard of people getting hypnotized then the hypnotist brings them back to the spot right before they experience lost time and has the subject talk about what happened. In some cases the person just keeps talking and starts saying things he didn't remember, and sometimes an alien abduction happened during the lost time. This is what happened in the famous "Twin Abduction story". Two twins were boating and the next thing they knew they were on shore, it was almost morning, and their bon fire was about burnt out, which they found strange. They didn't remember what happened but both were having some pretty nasty nightmares. So they went into a psychiatrist and got hypnotized in seperate rooms without knowing that they both were (so there was no chance of fraud). They described a ball of plasma floating above the water, that sucked them inside and they described the interior and the beings inside identically. One said that he went into another room first while his brother stayed behind. The other brother said that he waited in a room while his brother went into the next room first. Everything checked out.

[Opiate Son]

By the way....

if you want a really good book on abduction.. a man's real account... the book is called "Communion" by Whitley Striber.

Very interesting..

I've read a few of his books and it's definatly interesting. the most intense experience i ever had started the way his does in "Communion"

My ex girlfriend woke my up in the middle of the night shaking and completely unable to talk, she was grabbing me so hard i had bruises on my arm the next day. All i remember was bright lights and a kind of buzzing, vibrating sound. At first i thought it was a plane or helicopter so i went downstairs to check it out. At this point my ex is begging me not to go and i kept telling her it was okay, i was still half awake but it seemed odd that she was that freaked out, nothing scared her like that.

All i remeber from this point was going out the front door on to the porch and it was bright out. there was a street light nearby but this was different. I went downstairs around 4am. I only remember just stepping outside for a minute but when i went back to bed it was almost 5:30am My ex was completly out like a light and didn't remember anything which was odd because she was freaking out just a few hours earlier.

And now for the kicker, i noticed the next day a small round sore on my left arm and one on my right knee which are still scars there 12 years later.

[pjfan]

anyone here ever had an alien "experience" whilst completely sober? no? well.........

[Opiate Son]

anyone here ever had an alien "experience" whilst completely sober? no? well.........

i was completely sober

[Crucify the Ego]

Opiate Son many who have had experiences like that find that under those scars there are strange pieces of metal surgically implanted in them. Many think that these are tracking devices of sorts. You ever fiddled around with those wounds to see if you feel anything underneath? O if your brave i'd consider the hypnotism.
When I saw the triangular aircraft i was sober, and when i saw the floating plasma i was barely fucked up.

[Towelie]

I was waiting for a thread like this to pop up. Because, it's always interesting reading about sincere experiences that were beyond statistical probability. I've been through some fucked up shit myself. However, I do appreciate when others choose to openly share. Thanks to Crucify the Ego and SuccessfullyPriedOpen.

My view of the song was expressed in other threads. The bottom line for me is agreeing with static_dex. The character in the story walks away from his experience with nothing gained. The story never reveals the learning experience (if there was one). And, to me, that's the whole joke. If I am missing the point somewhere, please let me know.

I realize I'm stating the obvious. But, what I'm yearning for (if anybody is willing to divulge) is, what have you learned from such experiences?

I've lost time. One time about five hours. I don't know what happened to this day. Did I learn something? Yes. People around were terrified for me when I really wasn't bothered about it. For whatever reason that happened to me, I learned how much some actually want me to stick around. Sometimes, we forget how much meaning our lives have to others outside our gilded cage. After all, we are in this together.

But, please do share about these experiences. It sounds like many of you have more scars than I do. I really respect those who are farther down certain paths than my own.

SuccessfullyPriedOpen: thank you for putting down in words what I've held as truth for some time now. This world in not just about us or this dimension. Unfortunately, the social altered ego likes to tell us it is.