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LabRat404
05-17-2006, 03:01 PM
this is about poetry. this is about going back in your midn to a horrible and emotional time to write about it.

The snake is the bad memory.
The blood is the emotoin.
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Whats coming through is alive - real feelings
Whats holding up is a mirror - looking into the past.
Whats sing songs is a snake - those bad memories 'sing' inspiration to him
looking to turn the piss to wine - turning his bad moments into poetry. piss to wine.

They're both totally void of hate, - the poetry, what I felt
But killing me just the same.

The snake behind me hisses - That memory beckons me
What my damage could have been. - It could have been worse
My blood before me begs me - The emotions that came from it, beg to be written about
Open up my heart again. - I should feel bad about them again, so I can write

And I feel this coming over like a storm again. - the memories
Considerately.

Venomous voice, tempts me,
Drains me, bleeds me,
Leaves me cracked and empty.
Drags me down like some sweet gravity. - simple makes him feel horrible

The snake behind me hisses
What my damage could have been.
My blood before me begs me
Open up my heart again.

And I feel this coming over like a storm again.

I am too connected to you - far too connected to that moment
To slip away, to fade away. - to ever let it go and be at peace with it
Days away I still feel you - feel that moment
Touching me, changing me, - gives me inspiration, and I grow wiser
And considerately killing me. - but it still hurts

Without the skin, - mind wide open
Beneath the storm, - as if it were happening all over again
Under these tears - with all these emotions
The walls came down. - I let it traumetize me again

And the snake is drowned and - I conquer that bad memory
As I look in his eyes, - I look at it for what its was
My fear begins to fade - I'm not afraid to conquer that moment
Recalling all of those times. - all of them...

I could have cried then. - but I supprsessed my feelings
I should have cried then. - to "find beauty within the dissonance"

And as the walls come down and - as this shit unfolds
As I look in your eyes - I look at it poetically
My fear begins to fade - without fear
Recalling all of the times - all of them
I have died - I was in a rut
and will die. - I will be in a rut again
It's all right. - but its ok
I don't mind. - because I'll turn that piss to wine

I am too connected to you to
Slip away, to fade away.
Days away I still feel you
Touching me, changing me,

And considerately killing me. - but it still hurts

Inner_Eulogy
05-18-2006, 04:19 PM
this is about poetry. this is about going back in your midn to a horrible and emotional time to write about it.

The snake is the bad memory.
The blood is the emotoin.
-----------------

Whats coming through is alive - real feelings
Whats holding up is a mirror - looking into the past.
Whats sing songs is a snake - those bad memories 'sing' inspiration to him
looking to turn the piss to wine - turning his bad moments into poetry. piss to wine.

They're both totally void of hate, - the poetry, what I felt
But killing me just the same.

The snake behind me hisses - That memory beckons me
What my damage could have been. - It could have been worse
My blood before me begs me - The emotions that came from it, beg to be written about
Open up my heart again. - I should feel bad about them again, so I can write

And I feel this coming over like a storm again. - the memories
Considerately.

Venomous voice, tempts me,
Drains me, bleeds me,
Leaves me cracked and empty.
Drags me down like some sweet gravity. - simple makes him feel horrible

The snake behind me hisses
What my damage could have been.
My blood before me begs me
Open up my heart again.

And I feel this coming over like a storm again.

I am too connected to you - far too connected to that moment
To slip away, to fade away. - to ever let it go and be at peace with it
Days away I still feel you - feel that moment
Touching me, changing me, - gives me inspiration, and I grow wiser
And considerately killing me. - but it still hurts

Without the skin, - mind wide open
Beneath the storm, - as if it were happening all over again
Under these tears - with all these emotions
The walls came down. - I let it traumetize me again

And the snake is drowned and - I conquer that bad memory
As I look in his eyes, - I look at it for what its was
My fear begins to fade - I'm not afraid to conquer that moment
Recalling all of those times. - all of them...

I could have cried then. - but I supprsessed my feelings
I should have cried then. - to "find beauty within the dissonance"

And as the walls come down and - as this shit unfolds
As I look in your eyes - I look at it poetically
My fear begins to fade - without fear
Recalling all of the times - all of them
I have died - I was in a rut
and will die. - I will be in a rut again
It's all right. - but its ok
I don't mind. - because I'll turn that piss to wine

I am too connected to you to
Slip away, to fade away.
Days away I still feel you
Touching me, changing me,

And considerately killing me. - but it still hurts

You must be high,,,,,that makes no sense at all....H is about Maynard's son Devo H.....now try again

LabRat404
05-19-2006, 05:48 AM
You must be high,,,,,that makes no sense at all....H is about Maynard's son Devo H.....now try again

Of coruse it is. Now run along and listen to your POD albums.

tbrent21
05-19-2006, 07:26 AM
I think I want to go back and listen to this one again. Interesting post!

LabRat404
05-19-2006, 07:32 AM
another though just hit me. its kind of the same meaning as the one this thread is about, so I'll just post it here.

Its important for me to note that I do not believe Tool are sellouts, but this interpretation does imply that:


What's coming through is alive. - a feeling
What's holding up is a mirror. - holding up a guard to defelct the pain
But what's singing songs is a snake - the snake is a damanding feeling (greed)
Looking to turn this piss to wine. - looking to turn the pain into money. piss to wine.

They're both totally void of hate, - money, an pain.
But killing me just the same. - they both change him.

The snake behind me hisses - his greed
What my damage could have been. - it could have been worse
My blood before me begs me - my blood, my emotions, my poetry
Open up my heart again. - give in to that pain

And I feel this coming over like a storm again. - and he gives in to the pain
Considerately.

Venomous voice, tempts me,
Drains me, bleeds me,
Leaves me cracked and empty.
Drags me down like some sweet gravity. - the greed taking over

I am too connected to you to - to the greed or to the pain
Slip away, to fade away. -
Days away I still feel you
Touching me, changing me, - money changes men, so does pain
And considerately killing me. - to change a man is to kill him

Without the skin, - without the guard to deflect the pain, the mirror
Beneath the storm, - giving in to the pain
Under these tears
The walls came down. - and he breaks down

And the snake is drowned and - he soothes his greed now
As I look in his eyes,
My fear begins to fade
Recalling all of those times.

I could have cried then.
I should have cried then. - more pain = more poetry = more songs = more money!

And as the walls come down and
As I look in your eyes
My fear begins to fade
Recalling all of the times
I have died - he has changed from this
and will die. - and he will change from this
It's all right.
I don't mind. - but he'll soothe his greed and make some money

PhillyJoe
05-22-2006, 11:24 AM
I like your theory, but what does H. stand for?

LabRat404
05-25-2006, 05:23 AM
I like your theory, but what does H. stand for?

I've been trying to come up with something.

there has to be a word for H that means "to turn something bad to good"

as for the second theory, there has to be a word that starts with H that is synonymous with "money" or "gree".

giving the letter H a word doesn't prove anything, anyhow. Its just a letter, and you can make it say "hemorrhoid" if you want to

wearethestories
05-25-2006, 12:59 PM
And... no need for all the belligerence.

Here's my vote:

"H." seems to be about a struggle for a person to be in control. The struggle is between the snake (a seemingly outside influence) and the blood (something spawned from the person). Here's where your analogy (LabRat404) breaks down:

- In the song, the snake is very much external - a being familiar yet not related to the narrator, yet consciously attempting to poison the relationship between the blood and the narrator. The blood, though external, is viewed as something close and as coming from the narrator, not something outside looking in (that would be the snake). The blood and the snake are (in the song) at odds with each other, warring with one another: one looking for a way to destroy (snake), the other suing for peace (blood) by looking into the narrator's eyes. In your interpretation, they are very much on the same side --- the "feelings" and the "poetry" that comes from the feelings are not at war with one another, one follows suit from the other and the "poetry" is an expression and extension of the "feeling". In the song, the blood cannot extend from the snake: they are too opposite.

This really could be a valid interpretation if you came up with something that allowed for the snake and the blood to be at odds, and then for the blood to oversome the snake. Your interpretation of the lines
Without the skin, - mind wide open
Beneath the storm, - as if it were happening all over again
Under these tears - with all these emotions
The walls came down. - I let it traumetize me again

And the snake is drowned and - I conquer that bad memory
As I look in his eyes, - I look at it for what its was
My fear begins to fade - I'm not afraid to conquer that moment
are too vague to be given much credit. Moreover, the contrast of "bad memory" to "poetry" doesn't describe the same opposition that the song's lyrics display. Beneath the storm" seems to be a new viewpoint on the situation, not "as if it were happening all over again", and interpreting "Without the skin" as "mind wide open" shows a little too much reliance on themes from other Tool songs - it needs its own understanding specifically for this song (i.e. don't bring the message of "Third Eye" into "H." unless "H." shows that it fits the 'mold'). You don't even mention the two similar prepositions "beneath" and "under" as being significant at all. And it's fairly clear that "the walls came down" refers to the destruction of the barrier separating the snake from the blood.

Finally, who is the "your" in the line, "And as I look in your eyes"?

This song might be better understood as directly about overcoming the evil whispers in our minds (struggling with our own violent natoures, or, struggling with outside influences that would destroy relationships) when having our own children in front of us, reminding us of ourself and "begging [us] to open up [our] heart[s] again" --- to remember what it felt like to be treated the same way that we are treating our children (I'm leaning here to the understanding that someone who has suffered abuse as a child is more likely to abuse, once they are in some sort of authority). This is why the common interpretation concerns Devo and Marynard's own (alleged?) abuse as a child. Many people seem to think that this song is about Maynard's own struggle with the destructive desire to abuse Devo that comes from his own twisted psyche.

Although, and I'll be the first to admit it, the "blood"/"child" could very well be a work of art ("poetry" if you must), and not a physical child --- healing and struggle can be apparent in art in much the same way that they can be seen in fathering a child (though I think the more dramatic, humanistic, and provocative incident occurs between a parent and a child, not an artist and his "work").

I'm simply suggesting a rethink on your interpretation that might show greater depth of understanding (both of the mood of the song and the person(s) who created it).

a788
05-25-2006, 01:15 PM
interesting theory. plausible. but not what i personally get from it. but, good job.


Jesus H. Christ.

EdwardJamesKeenan
05-25-2006, 05:06 PM
thats exactly what i thort