7 sided star

[seeyouauntie]

Hello, this week i was privileged enough to see tool for the 3rd time and it was amazing as usual. They have grown tremendously since i first saw them in 94. Anyways, i was wondering if anyone know's what the 7sided star is a symbol for?

thanks

[swaps]

Known as the Faerie or Elven Star, 7 pointed star is 1 of the entrances to the Faerie Realm - the gateway to the Otherworld. Each point on star represents a pathway, or the 7 rays of manisfestation of the Higher Self, as follows:

*1st point - Power, Personal Will and Determination.
*2nd point - Unconditional Love, Wisdom and Growth.
*3rd point - Knowledge and Intelligence.
*4th point - Harmony and Tranquility.
*5th point - the Powers of Mind and Science.
*6th point - Devotion and Honesty.
*7th point - Magick.

Coincidentally, another of my favourite bands is also fond of this star.

[cradled]

And this other band would be?

[Well Known]

If it's Project Pitchfork, then we have something in common.

[DeleteYourself]

wow....ive wondered about that star forever...

now my questions are answered

[YGOfvn]

that's interesting... maybe i should study some of this sacred geometry just for fun... does anyone know about all that other stuff danny has on his drums? I'll see if I can dig up some pictures somewhere...

[seeyouauntie]

Thanks for the information, ive don’t some reasearch after you told me that’s its an Elven star. One of the things that is a common theme in all the research that ive done is that the Elven star is a symbol for believing in fairy's. Now i know Danny is into the occult scene but i couldn’t see him believing in fairies. Another thing that i found interesting is that the Elven star can also be a symbol for the 7 charkas in the body. Now this i can believe Danny to be involved in, he seems to have alot of Hinduism beliefs and ideas. IM just kinda rambling on. dont mind me. :)

[seeyouauntie]

****Copy Paste the links...i dont know why but i cant post the pix.

i have some pictures of his old set.

http://www.deftone.com/polygon/images/o_dstage2.jpg

here is a drawing of the symbol.
http://www.deftone.com/polygon/images/toolkit-1.gif

[swaps]

Dan (admin) has the [img] tag disabled. Posting photos would most likely slow the board down, etc.

[WizardOfGauze]

You could just say that the seven pointed star is a just a heptagram.

[Revolver_04]

the weird thing is i seen that star long before i knew Tool was using it. i can't remember the first time i seen it, or where i seen it, but i knew i had before.

[stattica]

i'm not saying anything bad about tool, and beleive my, im definitly not the kind of person that goes around trying to defend religion, but, i think that having symbols like this is what gives tool there reputation of being "devil worshipers" because all the bible freaks ignorantly assume that if there is some sort of strange symbol that the Devil has something to do with it

[Useful_Idiot729]

Originally posted by stattica
i'm not saying anything bad about tool, and beleive my, im definitly not the kind of person that goes around trying to defend religion, but, i think that having symbols like this is what gives tool there reputation of being "devil worshipers" because all the bible freaks ignorantly assume that if there is some sort of strange symbol that the Devil has something to do with it


Yea that pisses me off when people say Tool is Satanic. I ran into these two guys while walking to the park one time and i was wearing a tool shirt and they said,"you listen to tool?" I replied with a yes. Then the stupid ingnorant bastard asked me if i was a devil worshiper and being that I really don't follow anything in religious matter i replied with no. Then he said i wasn't a Tool fan then.
-Just a little story of something that happened to me and i'm probably sure more Tool fans have got the same bullshit pulled on them.

[Valkyrie]

Did anyone happen to see the fact that the metal framework from which the lights are attatched above the stage was arranged in this 7 pointed star as well?
I saw that in Calgary, Alberta.

Something to think about...I suppose.

[Valkyrie]

Originally posted by Useful_Idiot729



Yea that pisses me off when people say Tool is Satanic. I ran into these two guys while walking to the park one time and i was wearing a tool shirt and they said,"you listen to tool?" I replied with a yes. Then the stupid ingnorant bastard asked me if i was a devil worshiper and being that I really don't follow anything in religious matter i replied with no. Then he said i wasn't a Tool fan then.
-Just a little story of something that happened to me and i'm probably sure more Tool fans have got the same bullshit pulled on them.

I agree with you on that. Since when did Tool ever mean religion? Last I heard (at least from the band members) it was all about the music.

I know a girl who, if she wasn't so stoic in her beliefs and her faith in Christianity (I'll blame it on her childhood) she'd be more open to Tool or any other kind of music. Sad to see how relegated new and more adventurous music has become.

[heatherlynn86]

Originally posted by seeyouauntie
Thanks for the information, ive don’t some reasearch after you told me that’s its an Elven star. One of the things that is a common theme in all the research that ive done is that the Elven star is a symbol for believing in fairy's. Now i know Danny is into the occult scene but i couldn’t see him believing in fairies. Another thing that i found interesting is that the Elven star can also be a symbol for the 7 charkas in the body. Now this i can believe Danny to be involved in, he seems to have alot of Hinduism beliefs and ideas. IM just kinda rambling on. dont mind me. :)


that sounds kind of ignorant doncha think???
(no offence, we all say ignorant things sometimes)

[Stinkfist]

Originally posted by Well Known
If it's Project Pitchfork, then we have something in common.

I happen to like them a lot also...

[The Fozz]

Originally posted by Valkyrie
Did anyone happen to see the fact that the metal framework from which the lights are attatched above the stage was arranged in this 7 pointed star as well?
I saw that in Calgary, Alberta.

Something to think about...I suppose.

Yes! I noticed the same thing at their show in Hamilton, Ontario. At first, I thought it was just a series of rafters for their lighting, but then towards the end of their set, when the heptagram appeared on the backdrop, I saw the connection.

[aeonblue]

Originally posted by Valkyrie


I know a girl who, if she wasn't so stoic in her beliefs and her faith in Christianity (I'll blame it on her childhood) she'd be more open to Tool or any other kind of music. Sad to see how relegated new and more adventurous music has become.

I believe you're right... It's funny, I actually used to be Christian before, or I was actually raised an atheist but later got involved in Christianity. Later I became a fan of Tool and after hearing Opiate and other songs as well, I realized all I had believed in was fake. At least for me. Like Flood says, "All I knew and all I believed are crumbling images that no longer comfort me". That's exactly how I felt. It's OK to be a Christian, but if you do it only because someone tells you to... it's pretty fucking stupid. Right now I don't really know what I believe in, and I don't care. As long as I'm happy, nothing really matters.

[assiah]

Originally posted by Useful_Idiot729



Yea that pisses me off when people say Tool is Satanic. I ran into these two guys while walking to the park one time and i was wearing a tool shirt and they said,"you listen to tool?" I replied with a yes. Then the stupid ingnorant bastard asked me if i was a devil worshiper and being that I really don't follow anything in religious matter i replied with no. Then he said i wasn't a Tool fan then.
-Just a little story of something that happened to me and i'm probably sure more Tool fans have got the same bullshit pulled on them.

yea, a lot of people are really closed minded about matters such as religion and philosophy. i find it discouraging. but it isn't only those devout christians for "bible freaks" that insist that tool=devil. anyone who is closed minded and pharisaic will say that.
somethink i've noticed in tool fans- they don't seem to have any staple, dominant religion. most don't know what religion they are, which suits them just fine. anyone else notice this?

[(-)]

However, you can't deny the occultic references in pretty much every aspect of what Tool presents these days. Whether it is references to Qabalah, or Aleister Crowley, they are everywhere. I don't think this helps to dispel their "satanic" image very well; of course, they probably aren't trying to do that anyway.

[moonburn]

if you go and read what i wrote in my analysis of the beginning of the parabola video i talk about the heptagram as a symbol of a state of consciousness.. i'd write it here but i'm just too tired.

[blueghost]

to the posters who noted that "Danny has hindu beliefs" you might be onto something, think about it

1) The seven pointed star (Chakras)
2) His interest in indian percussion
3)Aloke Dutta

Ghost

[m4yn4rd]

Hello, i have noticed the seven pointed star in other tool things, and they have seven pointed stars in their concerts, someone told me before what it meant but me being a numbskull forgot, can anyone refresh me

[swaps]

Elven or faerie star (http://www.holisticshop.co.uk/dictionary/elvenstar.html) // Keyword summary: elven, faerie, star, magic.

This seven-pointed star (septagram) represents a belief in fairies and magic. Each of the seven points is believed to have a different meaning, although there are several common interpretations.

Some say each point represents a pathway, or the "seven rays of manifestation of the Higher Self."

1 - power, personal will and determination
2 - unconditional love, wisdom and growth
3 - knowledge and intelligence
4 - harmony and tranquillity
5 - the powers of mind and science
6 - devotion and honesty
7 - magick.

Another idea is that the points signify the seven magical elements - earth, air, fire, water, light, life and magic - or the inner and outer elements - earth, air, fire, water, heaven, earth and self. Whilst a further suggestion is that they represent the seven directions - north, south, east, west, above, below and within.

Whatever your individual theory, the number seven is believed to be a magical or lucky number, and can be used to indicate appreciation and knowledge of fairies.

And...

Definition: The septagram (http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefseptagram.htm), a continuously drawn figure having seven points, is far less common than the pentagram. It is however important in Western kabbalah, where it symbolizes the sphere of Netzach, the seven planets, the seven alchemical metals, and the seven days of the week. It is a sacred symbol to Wiccans who follow the "Faery" tradition, where it is called the Elven or Fairy star. The seven pointed star is also an important part of the seal of the A.A., the inner order of Aleister Crowley's OTO.

[FlamingEye]

Represents unity of all peoples.
Unites Earth and Trinity
The seven elements: Earth, Air, Fire, Water, Life, Light, and Magick.
The seven directions: North, South, East, West, above, below, within.

[floormatt]

When the 'God' creature cuts the apple, the star has 5 points. It zooms in and it has 6, then zooms in a little more and it has 7.

5-6-7

huh. i wonder what it means.

[Phosphoros]

I think it is call Heptagram not Septagram.......

[Matter Specter]

Originally posted by Phosphoros
I think it is call Heptagram not Septagram.......


Hept. is greek for seven .
Sept. is latin for seven .

so both are appropriate ...

[hedphuq]

5-6-7?

they're the numbers considered to be assigned to Man, Satan and God, respectively. i don't have much insight into this, i'm just... throwing it out there. you know.

[AnemicRoyalty]

Does anyone know what the 7 sided star signifies? Tool had it hanging over their stage on their last tour and I'm curious about what it symbolizes. seeyouauntie, please make a post so people can see what it is.

[Phlame]

Does anyone know what the 7 sided star signifies? Tool had it hanging over their stage on their last tour and I'm curious about what it symbolizes. seeyouauntie, please make a post so people can see what it is.


i was trying to draw it in class on friday... it was kidof hard and it never came out right ill try again tomorow

[AnemicRoyalty]

i was trying to draw it in class on friday... it was kidof hard and it never came out right ill try again tomorow

awesome, thanks for sharing that.

[empty_blanket]

I can't rmember if it's a 6 or 7 sided star (probably 7), but there's one of each of Danny's bass drums

[Narcasist]

"i was trying to draw it in class on friday... it was kidof hard and it never came out right ill try again tomorow"

Here's how you do it.

1) draw a roughly 40 degree angle

2) turn it sideways so the point is facing down

3) go to the top right point and draw a line going diagonal down and left

4) drawn a line going diagonal up from that one

5) draw a line going straight across from that one

6) drawn a line going diagonal down from that one

7) draw a line connecting your final to open points ( it will go diagonal up

wallah 7 sided star

[FuckJesus]

but....what does it mean?

doesnt it have something to do with satan?

[MadameBree]

Yeah....it does...or at least I know that the arrangement of Danny's drum set means that. It represents Paimon, the 9th spirit of the Order of the Goetia.

I got this off of Toolband.com or something. I did not know this before I read it so don't ask me questions. I am sure you can google and find the info.

[seeyouauntie]

To me a sptagram signifies the 7 pt charka system, i forgot where i read that but that’s what it means to me.

This is what others think of the septagram. The seven points represent the Sun, the Forest, the Sea, Magick, the Moon, the Wind, and Spirit.

I think its also a symbol to acknowledge the existence of faeries..


through alot of research it seems like it has multiple meanings. Like i said i like it because to me its like the protection/representation of the 7 charka's.

[seeyouauntie]

doesnt it have something to do with satan?

lol far from it.. no

[seeyouauntie]

ha ha, i knew there was a thread posted about it by me, but i was to lazy to search for it and post it.. :)

[shade13]

I believe you're right... It's funny, I actually As long as I'm happy, nothing really matters.

No words more true

Anyhow.... Faeries are Angels. Angels are Faeries.
Think... Spiritual beings with wings. Big or small. Doesn't really matter. It's just another name for them. They're also The Watchers, the Nephilim, They who have come down from Heaven (which is described as a mountain sometimes, so think of Olympus).
Natural everyday denizens of this planet, just like us. Only they're a little bit more varied in personality, age, and other assorted characteristics. They also like to steal socks and stuff. hehe... some of them.

Anyways... the one who said Danny isn't into faeries... not to make a judgement on the man myself, but if he's into Enochiana, which is a system of contacting Angelic intelligences, then yes... he'd be into faeries.

As an aside, if you're into faeries or learning more about them, may I suggest the works of Brian Froud.

[Odibilëph]

Seeyouauntie:
those pictures are of an eight(8)-pointed star.
Hear ewe Go.
http://images.google.com/images?q=%22seven-pointed+star%22&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en

[neochrist]

You could just say that the seven pointed star is a just a heptagram.

/ septagram

[Phlame]

this is a good example of the occult star thing it is off google (the link might not work, sorry, but its in Odibileph's link somewhere)

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=www.angelfire.com/ab/fhionamacg/images/peni2.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.angelfire.com/ab/fhionamacg/4symbols.html&h=132&w=132&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522seven-pointed%2Bstar%2522%26start%3D20%26svnum%3D100%26h l%3Den%26lr%3D%2

[sugii]

In Buddhism it represents the 7 chakras.

[ÆnimaticEnigma]

5-6-7?

they're the numbers considered to be assigned to Man, Satan and God, respectively. i don't have much insight into this, i'm just... throwing it out there. you know.


I thought the pentacle represented the devil... It could represent man through its earlier meaning. Knowing the Catholic Church, they redefined the previously pagan symbol as having to do with the devil so that people would want the Catholic Church over the Pagan religion. Catholic Church = People that will do anything to make them sound like the premier way to speak to God. Did you know that sex isn't really a sin?

Sex used to be a way of worship. It was done spiritually, and in the climax of the whole thing, the man's mind would clear out and he'd see "God." The church didn't like this, since it would make church useless, so they made it a "sin to God" knowing how childish they are. Fucking assholes....

Back to the pentacle. The pentacle was the pagan symbol for female fertility. It represented Venus, the goddess. Amazingly enough, every 8 years, Venus' travel makes a perfect pentacle. Also, pentacles have to do heavily with the number Phi. I'm not getting into this one, just buy the Da Vinci Code. Good book, and it may help you learn some of these aspects.

[Talonwulf]

I thoguht it was Charka. Or is it al lthe same thing

[hopelessfuckinghole]

The three stars could represrent the 3 types of religion, as the song is about achieving a higher spiritual status.

[Ertai]

well we said that 5-6-7 and the numbers of the stars

someone said 7 was the tree of life.. which would make sense bcause of the apple..

but what about 5 & 6

[93kings]

The direction the top of the pentagram is facing is the important distinction here. An unpright pentagram is representative of balance and order, while the pentagram pointing down is showing disorder or chaos.

[The Sleeper]

I thought the pentacle represented the


I think they were talking about a different shape than you... a pentagram/pentacle has 5 points.. have you seen the video?

In the wiccan practices I have seen the pentacle was explained to me as representing the four basic elements and god/dess (god being the highest point). So when you turn the pentacle over it represents the elements over god, hence the pentagram being a rebellious or blasphemous symbol. It's the same thing with the cross, when it turns over, it means the son and the holy spirit over god... etc.

I remember seeing the church of satan on a history channel special on hell, and while i was moderately stoned, I do remember them saying that they don't actually worship satan as their leader, but they use the name as a metaphor to sin and everything that is fun and feels good.

[nipploleon dynomight]

The song does have a lot of reference to the tree of life, so I'm guessing that is probably it. Acheiving a higher state probably is the main drift of the song. Once the guy with the tentacles on his head throws down the block (that kind of resembles the ten commandments) he sings "This Hoooooly reality". Maybe trying to escape a formerly controlled life, and achieving a holy expirience. I haven't counted but I can remember about seven dramatic events in the video. Well that is what I have to say. But in any case I feel bad about the little alien dude, he tried to warn the guy about the balls, but he was killed by them anyways. Moment of silence...

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what about the star of lakshmi... the elven star doesnt look like it to me. faith no more also uses it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_Lakshmi

[labaskavk]

http://www.filmai.in/uzeik-20742.html