10 - Right In Two lyrics

[orcaloverbri9]

Or shall we call it a day and give into the illusion that Maynard has the power of speaking multiple words at the same time?
He doesn't have to. It's edited. They can dub multiple tracks over each other.

Incidentally, this is going a bit far back, but I mentioned slurred speech, and someone replied with something to the effect of "Maynard cares too much about detail to let a mistake like that go". Basically, my point was that he could have been intentionally slurring his speech because it sounds better or whatever reason and we're not taking that into account. How about "saw them gap am gam tom day"? Yes, it's still clear what he says, but the point is that HE INTENTIONALLY slurs words. Maybe he wanted to cause pointless arguments over exactly what positions he put his mouth in while recording, even if the resulting lyrics are meaningless?

[cade_nce]

He doesn't have to. It's edited. They can dub multiple tracks over each other.

Incidentally, this is going a bit far back, but I mentioned slurred speech, and someone replied with something to the effect of "Maynard cares too much about detail to let a mistake like that go". Basically, my point was that he could have been intentionally slurring his speech because it sounds better or whatever reason and we're not taking that into account. How about "saw them gap am gam tom day"? Yes, it's still clear what he says, but the point is that HE INTENTIONALLY slurs words. Maybe he wanted to cause pointless arguments over exactly what positions he put his mouth in while recording, even if the resulting lyrics are meaningless?

I mean, it's a possibility, I just seriously don't think that he would do that as an artist. There are plenty of lyrics of Maynard's that could work in multiple ways, regardless of intent.

e.g., "...this cold and fated/faded anchor..."

And while that may cut it for some, the fact is that there are definitive lyrics there, and I doubt Maynard gives a flying fuck about his more rabid fans that he would do anything to please OR antagonize them.

Besides, what you are calling slurred speech can immediately come clear on a good enough sound system, including the line from Pushit you quoted (and I know exactly which line that is, cuz I remember thinking the same thing you did phonetically :) ). I would worry less about his intentions than what is reasonable in light of what you hear with your ears...

[benjamin]

fight till they die over the earth over sky they
fight over life over blood over the air and light
over love over sun over brother they
fight till they die over words over writing

1-"till they die" is sometimes, "over pride"
2-"brother" sounds alot like a repeat of blood but, dunno...

[Inner_Eulogy]

...Henh.

Now that that's is not settled...Any thoughts on Fight til they die? Or shall we call it a day and give into the illusion that Maynard has the power of speaking multiple words at the same time?

By the way, I'm really glad that the 'nard tried out "monkey" lyrics on A Perfect Circle before he did them with Tool:

"Someone feed the monkey while I dig in search of China/White as Dracula as I approach the bottom"

Ouch. Everyone fucks up sometimes...

Well, you're a little off in your statement about the monkey line in APC. In this song he was referring to the figure of speech "a monkey on your back" as in a drug addiction.

[cade_nce]

IE -

I know, but even with that said, I still think it's just a sloppy lyric. I'd also referred to mixed metaphors that pop up with Maynard's lyrics occasionally, which reminded me of that one. I understand his point, I just don't think it's one of Maynard's best moments lyrically.

Regarding Right in Two, I wonder if the line is indeed "Fight til they die over earth over sky". It always sounded like "wind" to me, but I can see how if you slur it enough it may be "earth", and that makes more sense as a lyric to me. However, benjamin, I disagree over just about every other lyric in there.

I'll modify what I posted originally:

[They] fight til they die over wind?/earth?, over sky.
They fight over light?/life?, over prayer, over '-ell???' and 'might???...' [like power]
OR
They fight over light?/life?, over prayer, over '-ell???' and 'fight???...'

...over love, over sin, over blood.
They fight til they die over wars, over lies and greed.

[miketh74]

Now are we talking about right angles here or what? 90 degree? 60 degree?

LMAO!! good one.

:)

[miketh74]

Seriously, Tool needs to release these lyrics.

But it is kinda fun reading the debate. I haven't been in here in a while and I see it's just as fun as when I left.

:)

[nocatharsis]

IE -

I know, but even with that said, I still think it's just a sloppy lyric. I'd also referred to mixed metaphors that pop up with Maynard's lyrics occasionally, which reminded me of that one. I understand his point, I just don't think it's one of Maynard's best moments lyrically.

Regarding Right in Two, I wonder if the line is indeed "Fight til they die over earth over sky". It always sounded like "wind" to me, but I can see how if you slur it enough it may be "earth", and that makes more sense as a lyric to me. However, benjamin, I disagree over just about every other lyric in there.

I'll modify what I posted originally:


i still dont know what the FUCK is going on with that whole "fight over" part. I always thought the first part sounded like "over HERD"

[cade_nce]

I kind of like that, actually. I don't think it is, because I'm assuming that each line has a very general "theme" that I talked about earlier. But "herd' would definitely fit that conception, right? Intension and Right in Two both deal heavily with common facts about human evolution, drawing parallels between ancestral time and current civilization. We all still exist with that "herd" mentality.

[Cheesegreater]

If I were Maynard, I'd intentionally release lyrics for this song that are entirely wrong. Everyone would be like, I can't believe it! The lyrics finally came out! Then everyone would read them and find out they're all being fucked with. I mean, that's only if I were as sick and twisted as Maynard. ;)

[miketh74]

If I were Maynard, I'd intentionally release lyrics for this song that are entirely wrong. Everyone would be like, I can't believe it! The lyrics finally came out! Then everyone would read them and find out they're all being fucked with. I mean, that's only if I were as sick and twisted as Maynard. ;)

I think that's a hell of an idea. It may just happen.

[atotaltool]

Does anyone read this post to make the correct changes???

The only parts That I heard different from what was on the page are:

earth instead of wind

and

rising instead of ending.

If you think about it it makes sense too.

[tooltomus]

CUT IT RIGHT IN ALL, RIGHT IN TWO!!!

Since I haven't put my input in yet, I will. I have heard this lyric ONLY since day ONE! After listening to these other arguments, I still have only heard this lyric.

[Inner_Eulogy]

I think that's a hell of an idea. It may just happen.

Perhaps it already has

[tooltomus]

I totally agree with you. "Benched" makes perfect sense. ONLY. Not "picture love".

All that video did was reaffirm my belief in "benched". Even if I turn out to be wrong, it just makes more sense than "picture love". I mean, why would you say you're "on the sideline again, picture love with patience and reason" I mean, those are like 2 totally different statements and ideas. It makes PERFECT sense though to say "on the sideline (like in football), BENCHED along with patience and reason". Basically saying the coach took patience and reason and sat them out the game on the sideline, then they sat the angels there right next to them. It's a metaphor. He's making a point like "how the fuck do you expect to win if you sat out all your star players"

HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT NOT MAKE SENSE TO YOU PEOPLE?!?

[Mari Jaine]

Why would anyone think it'd be "picture love"? That makes no sense whatsoever, considering the angels are on the sideline. "Benched along" is what I've always heard, although I guess someone could hear the other thing.

Also, that "lift an eye to heaven" line, I don't understand how it could be mistaken for "live tonight in heaven", although it could sound that way, it doesn't make any sense either.

Seems like people would try to put these things together and disregard the lyrics they're hearing that don't go with the message or the theme of the song.

[tooltomus]

That doesn't even make sense. You speaka' english?


Hey, maybe the lyric is "Cut it, write it all, right into?"
Of course, that means absolutely nothing, but since none of us are speaka the english, why not??

[Inner_Eulogy]

Hey, maybe the lyric is "Cut it, write it all, right into?"
Of course, that means absolutely nothing, but since none of us are speaka the english, why not??

I already know what it is and one of these days Maynard will set you all straight and I'll be sitting there with a big ass grin on my face picturing all my neigh-sayers infesting a little island and running wrecklessly into one another until they all die out in my blissful oblivion.

[Cheesegreater]

This thread never feels any less childish.

[Inner_Eulogy]

This thread never feels any less childish.

No thanks to you

[Fenix]

Well here is my take on the "difficult part"...FIGHT TILL THEY DIE[1] OVER EARTH[2] OVER SKY THEY FIGHT FOR THE[3] LOVE[4] OVER BLOOD OVER ANYTHING[5] LIGHT[6] OVER LOVE OVER SUN[7] OVER NOTHING FIGHT TILL THEY DIE OVER[8] WHAT[9] FOR A[10] RISING[11]...Now this is mostly sonically based, but it seems to make some sort of sense to me. As for the #'s; 1=or ALL THE TIME.2=or HERD.3=this part is VERY muffled. Possibly FOR OUR, OVER.4=maybe LIFE or BLOOD. 5=possibly HEAVEN or AIR AND.6=it logically would be FIGHT, but I disinctly hear an L. 7=possibly SON, SIN,or SOME.8,9, +10 kinda coincide,8=I can also hear AND FOR. 9=or WORDS.10=for the longest time I heard WE'RE, but lately have started hearing AH.11=WRITING, ALL LIES END,or OVER LIES AND GREED. Sorry about the jumbely confusion, but I guess that's why this is so discussed. Anyways more fuel for the never ending discussion, at least until the officials are released. Also the 'repugnant' line I'm hearing LIFT AN EYE TO HEAVEN, and the last 'angels' verse I hear BENCHED along(alone) with patience...P.S. as far as the chorus(CUTTING OUR LOVE) is concerned I believe it changes every time or for sure the last time!

[Inner_Eulogy]

P.S. as far as the chorus(CUTTING OUR LOVE) is concerned I believe it changes every time or for sure the last time!

I would be fair enough not to rule it out but I still hear Cuttin our love. "cuut-tin our loh-oovve, right in two"

[tooltomus]

I would be fair enough not to rule it out but I still hear Cuttin our love. "cuut-tin our loh-oovve, right in two"

I do agree that lyric makes sense with the rest of the song, BUT, after all the arguments and disagreements about the lyric, its obvious that people like me do hear other words and syllables besides that one.
Still to this day, I hear something like "cutting right all right in two" or "cut it right all right in two" just like many other people have posted on these threads.
If and when the day Maynard posts the lyrics, I will gladly admit defeat to you.

[Grudge76]

Im not reading all this stuff.... but i just wanted to throw one out there..

Cut all I love, right in two

[Grudge76]

Oh....and does anyone else find it quite amusing that 26 pages of fighting over the words has ensued?

hahaha

No wonder maynard lets you all sing "Vicariously I, live while the whole world dies"

[tooltomus]

Oh....and does anyone else find it quite amusing that 26 pages of fighting over the words has ensued?

hahaha

No wonder maynard lets you all sing "Vicariously I, live while the whole world dies"


No doubt, Maynard puts a LOT of attention into his lyrics. I'm sure he is equally appreciative and entertained that WE are also putting a lot of attention into his lyrics.

[miketh74]

Again....he likes to fuck with us, but the messages are pretty straight forward. A lot of the discrepancies on the lyrics seem to all fit into the song one way or another.

Perhaps that's what he had planned??? Silly Maynard.

[Gaz]

The kind of sound it makes to me is something made up of

Pish-er-all , I cant hear any distinguishing words, just sounds that may come together to form a variety of words. The most strongest one I have read here and stands up to reasoning is "Picture all with patients and reason" simply because there is a distinct P sound at the start that maps well with Picture all with patients and reason - "IE Imagine humans and angels having patients and reason" , as apposed to not having either patients or reason which is basically what the whole song is about, heaven and earth being cut right in two.

Its definatly a P sound, not a B sound, Bench is clearly not whats being song in this song. Im English, not American hear sounds slightly differently to most of you guys posting here and isnt tainted by american football, which probably is why I hear something completly different. Before thinking about the lyrics at all, I used to sing "Piss all over patients and reason" because thats what it kinda sounded like - but Picture makes most sense to me when listning to the same clip several times repeated.

Sorry for my spelling in some places btw ;)

[Mari Jaine]

LOL...piss all over patience and reason.

You should post that one in the misheard lyrics thread ("Turn around and shake my hand..." I think it's titled).

I definitely hear "Benched along with patience and reason."

[Inner_Eulogy]

The kind of sound it makes to me is something made up of

Pish-er-all , I cant hear any distinguishing words, just sounds that may come together to form a variety of words. The most strongest one I have read here and stands up to reasoning is "Picture all with patients and reason" simply because there is a distinct P sound at the start that maps well with Picture all with patients and reason - "IE Imagine humans and angels having patients and reason" , as apposed to not having either patients or reason which is basically what the whole song is about, heaven and earth being cut right in two.

Its definatly a P sound, not a B sound, Bench is clearly not whats being song in this song. Im English, not American hear sounds slightly differently to most of you guys posting here and isnt tainted by american football, which probably is why I hear something completly different. Before thinking about the lyrics at all, I used to sing "Piss all over patients and reason" because thats what it kinda sounded like - but Picture makes most sense to me when listning to the same clip several times repeated.

Sorry for my spelling in some places btw ;)

The funny thing is that this guy's for real. Were you homeschooled by chance?

[Inner_Eulogy]

LOL...piss all over patience and reason.

You should post that one in the misheard lyrics thread ("Turn around and shake my hand..." I think it's titled).

I definitely hear "Benched along with patience and reason."

I agree

[miketh74]

^ LMAO ^

Homeschooled......

:)

[ColdLogic]

guiled by love right in two imo

[tooltomus]

guiled by love right in two imo


Well at least it's a new option!

[Inner_Eulogy]

Well at least it's a new option!

New, yes....correct? not by a mile

[Mari Jaine]

For real, yo.

How the fuck would it make sense anyway?

[tooltomus]

For real, yo.

How the fuck would it make sense anyway?


Makes no sense at all. Just a lot of words thrown together because nobody can agree on what the hell he is saying.

[Gaz]

I just went to joe average public school in England... sorry to disappoint :P

[ColdLogic]

Makes no sense at all. Just a lot of words thrown together because nobody can agree on what the hell he is saying.

guiled, as in tricked.

by love.

right in two, as in tricked by love into being divisive.

[Inner_Eulogy]

guiled, as in tricked.

by love.

right in two, as in tricked by love into being divisive.

Um, yeah...good luck with that one. That's be great an all if that was actually even remotely close to what he was saying.

[ColdLogic]

eh idfc

im not up to date on this thread

[cade_nce]

This thread never feels any less childish.

Aww... *sad*. I thought my analysis of the "Fight..." breakdown lyrics was pretty well thought out...

These lyrics need to be fucking released. I want to know what I'm singing along to. Maybe he'll release them when he stops this cock-rock mid-life crisis bullshit he's been up to in recent years.

[jasminæ]

i definitely hear: "CUT IT ALL RIGHT IN TWO" and "BENCHED ALONG"

:) i never knew these two were a problem, i hear that pretty clearly and i never wondered if it was anything else, altho, i'm not saying, by any means, that it couldn't be.

"Fight till they die, over earth, over sky
They fight over life, over blood, over ANY LIE
Over love, over sun, over nothing
Fight till they die
Over what? For the/their rising"

it could be "light" instead of "life", but i went for the "life" version. also, i think, it's "the rising", but it could be "their rising" also.

this is what i've heard from day one. i could be wrong of course, this is just my humble opinion, i also didn't check any youtube clips and listened to him carefully, but this is what i get from the album version. i'm pretty sure he says "any lie", too. it's the only thing that makes sense to me and i can't hear anything else either.

also- "...lift an eye to heaven..." is one of the more powerful lines in this song, i would be really really sad :''( if it turned out to be wrong.

it's not, tho.

[beribimba]

Ha! Just figured something big and important out...I think:

The last part of the "fight over..." part, he says,

"Fight 'til they die, over words polarizing."

I first heard it listening to a bootleg, but I'm sure it's what he's saying on the album, too. Give it a listen, kids!

[Inner_Eulogy]

Ha! Just figured something big and important out...I think:

The last part of the "fight over..." part, he says,

"Fight 'til they die, over words polarizing."

I first heard it listening to a bootleg, but I'm sure it's what he's saying on the album, too. Give it a listen, kids!

That doesn't make much sense

[○dissonance○]

Heh, no it doesn't.

Also, I noticed that some think he's saying "picture love with patience and reason", that doesn't make sense to me either. Pretty sure it's "benched along."

[K1DA]

I'm 100% certain these are the words sang by Maynard at OKC 5-19-07

fight till they die over sun, over sky
they fight till they die over the air, over ground
they fight till they die over blood, over nothing
fight till they die over words, over writing

and at Fort Worth 5-16-07 he sings the same thing except instead of "air" it's "sea"

edit: I should probably say I'm also 100% sure that isn't what he sings on the album, here is what I THINK he sings on the album:

fight till they die over the earth, over sky
they fight over lie, over the word, over the air
and moon, over blood, over sun, over blood
they fight till they die over the words, over writing

[Inner_Eulogy]

I'm 100% certain these are the words sang by Maynard at OKC 5-19-07

fight till they die over sun, over sky
they fight till they die over the air, over ground
they fight till they die over blood, over nothing
fight till they die over words, over writing

and at Fort Worth 5-16-07 he sings the same thing except instead of "air" it's "sea"

edit: I should probably say I'm also 100% sure that isn't what he sings on the album, here is what I THINK he sings on the album:

fight till they die over the earth, over sky
they fight over lie, over the word, over the air
and moon, over blood, over sun, over blood
they fight till they die over the words, over writing

<shrug>

[tooltomus]

I just got home from a trip, and after listening to this song for the first time in a while, I now believe he is saying "Cut and divide it all right in two"
Go ahead and rip me, but I never heard it like I do now.
Plus it is one of the lyrics that actually makes sense with the song. I STILL don't think it is "cutting our love" Never have.

[○dissonance○]

Personally, I don't like "cutting our love..." or "cutting my love..." but that's what I hear.

About the other line, I only hear "Fight till they die, over what? For their rising."

[Inner_Eulogy]

Personally, I don't like "cutting our love..." or "cutting my love..." but that's what I hear.

About the other line, I only hear "Fight till they die, over what? For their rising."

I like them, and that's what I've heard since day one as well "cuttin' our love" although possibly "cuttin our law" but you can make out the "V" sound at the end of him saying it. I think cuttin' our love makes perfect sense if you think of it as the love of the angels. They are looking at us saying you took the ability to love that we gave you and now you're cutting it into two instead of sharing love equally to all mankind. You're no better than a bunch of silly undomesticated monkeys.

[○dissonance○]

Oh, I agree...it does make sense. It just sounds kind of odd to me, I guess.

[Inner_Eulogy]

Oh, I agree...it does make sense. It just sounds kind of odd to me, I guess.

Of course I admit that I could be entirely wrong.

[○dissonance○]

This will never be settled.

[K1DA]

is anyone here alive and using their noodle?!?! LOVE and FEAR. Listen to Bill Hicks. LISTEN to Tool. Check out Alex Grey. It's about choosing love not fear. Unconditional love for all living things because we are all connected to one another. Of course cutting my (context read: our) love right in two is a lyric that makes sense. And guaranteed he is saying "words" and "writing." And if this doesn't click in your heads and make you think of the song 10,000 days you need to pull your head out. THINK people. THINK critically about everything in the world around you.

[Inner_Eulogy]

is anyone here alive and using their noodle?!?! LOVE and FEAR. Listen to Bill Hicks. LISTEN to Tool. Check out Alex Grey. It's about choosing love not fear. Unconditional love for all living things because we are all connected to one another. Of course cutting my (context read: our) love right in two is a lyric that makes sense. And guaranteed he is saying "words" and "writing." And if this doesn't click in your heads and make you think of the song 10,000 days you need to pull your head out. THINK people. THINK critically about everything in the world around you.

LOL, yeah..what he/she said

[○dissonance○]

No, I believe he is saying "rising"; I will always think this unless I happen to meet him and he tells me otherwise.

How can you guarantee what he is saying?

[Inner_Eulogy]

No, I believe he is saying "rising"; I will always think this unless I happen to meet him and he tells me otherwise.

How can you guarantee what he is saying?

Well if he's anything like Your_Noose he must obviously have an inside man like Danny's brother or sister giving him the scoop.

I digress

[○dissonance○]

Well, what do you think he's saying at that part, Inner? It's hard to tell, but I've always heard "rising".

[Inner_Eulogy]

Well, what do you think he's saying at that part, Inner? It's hard to tell, but I've always heard "rising".

I'm not sure about that part to be honest. I'll have to give it a listen when I get home.

[K1DA]

No, I believe he is saying "rising"; I will always think this unless I happen to meet him and he tells me otherwise.

How can you guarantee what he is saying?I can put on almost any of the 10+ recordings of shows where the song is played and clearly hear maynard say those words, that is how. Rising makes no sense, to boot. Fight over rising? come on dude. I think god put you here to test my faith.

[beribimba]

Try again... "words polarizing." I sure hope the real lyrics are posted one day and vindicates one of us (i.e. me).

[○dissonance○]

I can put on almost any of the 10+ recordings of shows where the song is played and clearly hear maynard say those words, that is how. Rising makes no sense, to boot. Fight over rising? come on dude. I think god put you here to test my faith.

Not fight over rising, fight FOR their rising. It does make sense. I can also clearly hear "rising" and I don't think god put me here to test your faith (or at all, actually). Your faith should have nothing to do with others or their ideas.

What's even worse is "words polarizing"...that's got to be the worst one yet. The only part I can agree with is the "rizing" at the end of "polar". I don't care about proving anyone wrong, just posting what I think the lyrics are.

[K1DA]

I was just joking with the god comment, it's a line from a great comedian.

[blake_bergeron]

nice bill hicks line...

[○dissonance○]

Sorry then, I wasn't aware of that.

Anyway, I do agree that he's saying "Over words" but I still hear "For their rising." I listened to it last night after smoking out with headphones and it sounded so much clearer than it normally does.

[blake_bergeron]

i've listened to it over and over and it sounds like the chorus is 'cut my love right in two'... no matter how many times i listen to it that's all i come up with... rather than cutting our love or cut it all...

[K1DA]

i've listened to it over and over and it sounds like the chorus is 'cut my love right in two'... no matter how many times i listen to it that's all i come up with... rather than cutting our love or cut it all...
that's pretty much all I hear from the shows as well, it's gotta be it. I think sometimes he improvises live and says "cut it all" but that would be debatable.

[EternalEnergi]

I'm not up to date on this thread, but the one part about this song that I think might be different than what's posted here is:

"Cut it, divide it all right in two" instead of "Cutting our love right in two"

But I didn't have time to see if someone had already caught that.

[Caduceus11]

I had hoped that one day this thread would resolve itself....I'm hoping maynard will change it to "they fight 'til they die, over
LYRiCS!"

[benjamin]

...the ability to live tonight at heaven concious of his fleeting time hear

Cu-ut all right in two
Gotta divide all right in two
Cut n divide it all right in two
Gotta divide it all right in two

...over the air and light...It doesn't matter when the lyrics come out. They'll only show the simplest most early version of what amounts to be the template of the lyrics to the song.

[blake_bergeron]

and once again, it doesn't matter what the original lyrics are, because it's whatever you(the individual) hears that matters... if you hear 'cut it, divide it right in two' or 'cut it our love right in two' or 'cutting our love right in two' or whatever... it doesn't matter universally, only individually... right?

[benjamin]

and once again, it doesn't matter what the original lyrics are, because it's whatever you(the individual) hears that matters... if you hear 'cut it, divide it right in two' or 'cut it our love right in two' or 'cutting our love right in two' or whatever... it doesn't matter universally, only individually... right?Yes.

[blake_bergeron]

you will always read what is written, and you will always hear what you need to hear...

[Inner_Eulogy]

and once again, it doesn't matter what the original lyrics are, because it's whatever you(the individual) hears that matters... if you hear 'cut it, divide it right in two' or 'cut it our love right in two' or 'cutting our love right in two' or whatever... it doesn't matter universally, only individually... right?

Ha, that's a good one.

[blake_bergeron]

Ha, that's a good one.

there's no reason for you to allude here... just say what you mean...

[Inner_Eulogy]

there's no reason for you to allude here... just say what you mean...

Because I completely disagree that it's up to whatever you choose to hear, I mean, it's either right or it's not. That's like saying there is no wrong answer when in fact there is only one right answer, granted we have yet to know for sure which that is. But it's still case and point.

[gjamison27]

Because I completely disagree that it's up to whatever you choose to hear, I mean, it's either right or it's not. That's like saying there is no wrong answer when in fact there is only one right answer, granted we have yet to know for sure which that is. But it's still case and point.

I have to agree with Inner.

If he says, "46 and 2 just ahead of me", but I hear, "I like to play with lollipops and candy corn", it's just not right, or relevant.

[blake_bergeron]

I have to agree with Inner.

If he says, "46 and 2 just ahead of me", but I hear, "I like to play with lollipops and candy corn", it's just not right, or relevant.

it is to you if that's what you hear... however bizarre it seems to be to someone else, if that's what makes since to you as what he's saying or what you think he means, than nothing could be farther from the truth... like i said... individuality over universality(is that a word? well you know what i'm trying to say)

[blake_bergeron]

Because I completely disagree that it's up to whatever you choose to hear, I mean, it's either right or it's not. That's like saying there is no wrong answer when in fact there is only one right answer, granted we have yet to know for sure which that is. But it's still case and point.

as is this a case and point... i didn't say whatever you choose to hear... i said whatever you hear... meaning that there is no choice... if you hear one thing it means that there is nothing else there to choose from because you've already made the decision to hear what you hear... and you hear what you hear... and i hear what i hear... and they hear what they hear... and it doesn't matter to me what you hear and it doesn't matter to you what they hear... it only matters to you, what you hear... and feel... or that's what i think, anyway...

[Inner_Eulogy]

as is this a case and point... i didn't say whatever you choose to hear... i said whatever you hear... meaning that there is no choice... if you hear one thing it means that there is nothing else there to choose from because you've already made the decision to hear what you hear... and you hear what you hear... and i hear what i hear... and they hear what they hear... and it doesn't matter to me what you hear and it doesn't matter to you what they hear... it only matters to you, what you hear... and feel... or that's what i think, anyway...

That's not true either, I may listen to it one day and be sure I hear one thing, read something different on here and hear something totally different when I listen to it again....it's happened to all of us, I'm sure.

[blake_bergeron]

That's not true either, I may listen to it one day and be sure I hear one thing, read something different on here and hear something totally different when I listen to it again....it's happened to all of us, I'm sure.

sure it's true... i believe we hear what we need to when we need to... and what i hear when i hear it is only important to me at that moment... until i hear something else... then at that time in my life i may need it to say something else... now that's something that happens to all of us...

[gjamison27]

Exactly.

Lot's of bands with only one guitarist use dubbed rythym guitar during album solos. Knowing that they can't play two parts at once, they simply play the solo live, without the benefit of rythym guitar filling out the music.

To people that have never heard the bands recordings and are seeing them live for the first time, the music should seem less full during the solo, however, this doesn't appear unusual as the first time listener does not have the frame of reference of the recording and will not notice a difference.

Now, the fan listens to that album and sees them live. It would seem that the music would seem less full during the solo but in actuality, the brain creates the missing rythym guitar in the mind subconsciously.

So what are we hearing and what is real to you or me when and where and so on and so on?

[blake_bergeron]

Exactly.

So what are we hearing and what is real to you or me when and where and so on and so on?

can you rephrase that question...

[gjamison27]

The former (first timer) listener, lacks the frame of reference from the recorded reality.

The latter (avid fan) has the frame of reference and because of it, actually hears something that is not there.

The point is, which is reality? Which is right? Are either wrong? Are both relevant?

[blake_bergeron]

The former (first timer) listener, lacks the frame of reference from the recorded reality.

The latter (avid fan) has the frame of reference and because of it, actually hears something that is not there.

The point is, which is reality? Which is right? Are either wrong? Are both relevant?

they are both wrong and right simultaneously... what's wrong to one is right to the other and vice versa... the first timer hears what's there, but the fan knows it's lacking... and what the fan is subconsciously adding would not be true for the first timer... there's never one without the other... i was simply getting at the fact that at one time one person can't hear and believe more than one thing... they couldn't simultaneously truthfully hear ' 46 and 2 ahead of me' and ' i like candy corn and whatever else' at the same time... and believe both... that's all i was saying...

[Inner_Eulogy]

they couldn't simultaneously truthfully hear ' 46 and 2 ahead of me' and ' i like candy corn and whatever else' at the same time... and believe both... that's all i was saying...

I would have to say whoever hears anything about candy corn is a moron

[blake_bergeron]

I would have to say whoever hears anything about candy corn is a moron

indeed...

[Inner_Eulogy]

Problem solved

[blake_bergeron]

Problem solved

not really, but we can certainly move on to something else...

[gjamison27]

And what I was saying is that you are right...

I was agreeing with you...

And with Inner simultaneously :-)

[blake_bergeron]

And what I was saying is that you are right...

I was agreeing with you...

And with Inner simultaneously :-)

nice...

[Inner_Eulogy]

And what I was saying is that you are right...

I was agreeing with you...

And with Inner simultaneously :-)

Well now you're just playing sides, and that's just ridiculous. (joking)

[blake_bergeron]

Well now you're just playing sides, and that's just ridiculous. (joking)

it gives the quickest resolution... sometimes...

[Inner_Eulogy]

it gives the quickest resolution... sometimes...

lol, Gjamison should hcange her avatar now to the 10,000 Days artwork, the multiple faces...

[gjamison27]

I frown out my one face and with the other I agree with your enemy! Muahhahahaha!

[Inner_Eulogy]

I frown out my one face and with the other I agree with your enemy! Muahhahahaha!

My point exactly

[blake_bergeron]

I frown out my one face and with the other I agree with your enemy! Muahhahahaha!

you're sort of backing yourself into a corner...

[gjamison27]

Your boundaries cannot hold me!

And I will agree with any two points simultaneously as I see fit without regard to your condemnation!

:-O <---- My "Oh" face

[Inner_Eulogy]

Your boundaries cannot hold me!

And I will agree with any two points simultaneously as I see fit without regard to your condemnation!

:-O <---- My "Oh" face

If you're any cute, I'll give ya'a double Oh face

like this --> =-OO

[blake_bergeron]

Your boundaries cannot hold me!

And I will agree with any two points simultaneously as I see fit without regard to your condemnation!

:-O <---- My "Oh" face

they weren't my boundaries... they were yours... that's why i said backing 'yourself'...

[gjamison27]

they weren't my boundaries... they were yours... that's why i said backing 'yourself'...

Exactly what boundaries and/or corner are you referring to?

I'm not sure I understand...

[blindfold_off]

A little late to the party. Does he say "cut the light right in two."?

[Inner_Eulogy]

A little late to the party. Does he say "cut the light right in two."?

Sounds like it's not the only thing you were late for.

[blake_bergeron]

Sounds like it's not the only thing you were late for.

burn...

[blake_bergeron]

Exactly what boundaries and/or corner are you referring to?

I'm not sure I understand...

me neither... let's just let it go... how's that???

[Inner_Eulogy]

me neither... let's just let it go... how's that???

Let go let go let go leeett goooooo




Sorry, had ta' do it.

[gjamison27]

Done!

Wait, what were we holding?

Just kidding :-O

[blake_bergeron]

Sorry, had ta' do it.

it's all good... i'm picking up what you're putting down...

[Inner_Eulogy]

it's all good... i'm picking up what you're putting down...

Scavenger

[blindfold_off]

burn...


Oooooooh....ackward.....

[Nong]

I was listening to this on my ipod while I was working out today. It sounded like he said "cutting light and all right in two." Wish they would release these lyrics.

[blake_bergeron]

I was listening to this on my ipod while I was working out today. It sounded like he said "cutting light and all right in two." Wish they would release these lyrics.

i don't think so man... it seems to me to be no more than 6 syllables... maybe 'cut light all right in two'... i can maybe hear that...

[○dissonance○]

That wouldn't make sense though. The other one makes sense, sort of, but it has too many syllables.

Most of the time I do hear "Cutting my love right in two" but there is one time, maybe the last time he says it, when it sounds like something else.

[blake_bergeron]

what i hear every time i listen to it is 'cut my love right in two' regardless of what other people say... if i read something without listening i can maybe morph in my mind that it's something else, but when i sit down and actually listen, i get the same thing every time... 'cut my love right in two'

[Inner_Eulogy]

what i hear every time i listen to it is 'cut my love right in two' regardless of what other people say... if i read something without listening i can maybe morph in my mind that it's something else, but when i sit down and actually listen, i get the same thing every time... 'cut my love right in two'

"cuttin OUR love right in two"

[blake_bergeron]

"cuttin OUR love right in two"

sorry, man... i hear 'my' not 'our'... maybe later...

[Inner_Eulogy]

sorry, man... i hear 'my' not 'our'... maybe later...

I know, I'm just saying what I hear

[blake_bergeron]

I know, I'm just saying what I hear

i am at a very personal point in my life right now so maybe that's why i'm hearing 'my love'...

[Inner_Eulogy]

i am at a very personal point in my life right now so maybe that's why i'm hearing 'my love'...

More than likely

[Nong]

i don't think so man... it seems to me to be no more than 6 syllables... maybe 'cut light all right in two'... i can maybe hear that...

Listen towards the end where he sings it higher and clearer. Sounds to me he is saying cutting. Also I hear 8 syllables.

[blake_bergeron]

Listen towards the end where he sings it higher and clearer. Sounds to me he is saying cutting. Also I hear 8 syllables.

i'm not hearing it man... maybe later...

[cade_nce]

After 6 months, I still have yet to read why the final line in the chorus isn't

"They fight til they die over wars, over lies and greed."

That makes infinitely more sense than anything involving writing or whatever the hell has been mentioned here, and it takes care of all the "syllables" that haven't been accounted for in others' suggestions.

[blake_bergeron]

the best line in the whole song, i think is 'repugnant is a creature who squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven conscious of his fleeting time here'... that's awesome... and true...

[K1DA]

If you listen to live recordings, you will hear "cut my love" clearly, 1 syllable unmistakebly alot of the time. I just listened again to make sure (okc 5-19-06), and it's definitely "over words" not "over wars" the D sound is very clear. I can see where wars would make more sense in the context of this song, but in the context of the whole album I think words/writing is a lot heavier.

[Inner_Eulogy]

If you listen to live recordings, you will hear "cut my love" clearly, 1 syllable unmistakebly alot of the time. I just listened again to make sure (okc 5-19-06), and it's definitely "over words" not "over wars" the D sound is very clear. I can see where wars would make more sense in the context of this song, but in the context of the whole album I think words/writing is a lot heavier.

Can you post a link to said "live recording"

[Nong]

What if it's "cut it, light and all, right in two" Like the angels are telling the father to destroy it? Then after giving their assessment, they get back on their spaceship and leave in Viginiti Tres.

[blake_bergeron]

What if it's "cut it, light and all, right in two" Like the angels are telling the father to destroy it? Then after giving their assessment, they get back on their spaceship and leave in Viginiti Tres.

leave in viginiti tres??? that doesn't make any sense... what do you think viginiti tres is???

[Nong]

leave in viginiti tres??? that doesn't make any sense... what do you think viginiti tres is???

A spaceship starting and taking off.

[Inner_Eulogy]

What if it's "cut it, light and all, right in two" Like the angels are telling the father to destroy it? Then after giving their assessment, they get back on their spaceship and leave in Viginiti Tres.

Not a bad idea....if you were even remotely close

[Nong]

Do go on...

[blake_bergeron]

A spaceship starting and taking off.

??? i thought viginiti tres was latin for the number 23??? did i get some false information along the way??? i tried to look it up my self, but it's pretty hard to find a latin translator... if you know of one on the net, check it out and let me know if i've thought the wrong thing all this time... it's possible...

[Nong]

??? i thought viginiti tres was latin for the number 23??? did i get some false information along the way??? i tried to look it up my self, but it's pretty hard to find a latin translator... if you know of one on the net, check it out and let me know if i've thought the wrong thing all this time... it's possible...

No, you are correct. In Latin Viginti Tres means 23.

[blake_bergeron]

No, you are correct. In Latin Viginti Tres means 23.

and there are 24 songs total when lateralus and 10000 days are put together, with the 24th song being viginiti tres... or 23... i always thought that it was an equation... all of these songs put together, aside from viginiti tres itself, are 23 songs... and then viginiti tres is there to state it... don't know why, yet... maybe once that line in viginiti tres is deciphered it will make more sense... or less sense... who knows... i wonder if the members of tool are fans of jim carrey and that movie???

[Nong]

and there are 24 songs total when lateralus and 10000 days are put together, with the 24th song being viginiti tres... or 23... i always thought that it was an equation... all of these songs put together, aside from viginiti tres itself, are 23 songs... and then viginiti tres is there to state it... don't know why, yet... maybe once that line in viginiti tres is deciphered it will make more sense... or less sense... who knows... i wonder if the members of tool are fans of jim carrey and that movie???

Yeah, that is true. The sound to me sounds like a spaceship starting and taking off, which would make sense in relation to 10,000 and Faaip De Oiad. So I started looking for relation to 23 and extraterrestials. Google The Urantia Book.

It could have absolutely nothing to do with it at all, but I still think the sound is a spaceship starting and taking off.

[blake_bergeron]

Yeah, that is true. The sound to me sounds like a spaceship starting and taking off, which would make sense in relation to 10,000 and Faaip De Oiad. So I started looking for relation to 23 and extraterrestials. Google The Urantia Book.

It could have absolutely nothing to do with it at all, but I still think the sound is a spaceship starting and taking off.

you've heard a spaceship take off before??? or from what you've heard???

[K1DA]

Can you post a link to said "live recording"

Granted I didn't dig very hard, I don't have a link to that show but here is a link to a show that is very similar.

http://zombtracker.the-zomb.com/details.php?id=21157

[Nong]

you've heard a spaceship take off before??? or from what you've heard???

In movies and such. Also, 23 has many occult references and what not. Google 23 skidoo. I'm not really buying the combined tracklist stuff.

[Inner_Eulogy]

Do go on...

What else is there to say other than that's clearly not what the lyrics are

[Nong]

What else is there to say other than that's clearly not what the lyrics are

What are they?

[○dissonance○]

What part are you guys talking about again? The "cutting" line?

[Nong]

Yeah. I'm hearing either Cut it, or Cutting light and all, right in two. Blake is hearing cut my love right in two. The problem I have with that is there is no singular entity talking during the song. It's from the point of view of angels, and about humans. Inner is hearing cut our love, which is certainly a possibility, just not what I hear.

[gjamison27]

I hear, "Let's repeat the same thing over and over again".

[blake_bergeron]

I hear, "Let's repeat the same thing over and over again".

nah... that's too many syllables...

[blake_bergeron]

i'm sticking with 'my love'... no matter what other suggestions i hear that it may be... i take that into consideration when listening again and again but only hear ' my love'... i guess we'll have to wait to know for sure... what i think is that they might be interchangeable... like most of tools lyrics... i personally don't care what exactly he's saying, because i hear ' my love' and thats whats most powerful for me right now...

[gjamison27]

I listened to it more closely in headphones, on acid, and shrooms and I clearly hear, "Let's keep making the same arguments over and over again even though we know that noone knows for sure, pretty colors."

[○dissonance○]

LOL

This thread has really gone on too long. I just hear what I hear and that's what I'm going to think it is.

[gjamison27]

Sorry diss...but you're wrong, I clearly hear, "Let's keep reposting the same opinions on what we think it is until there are 30+ pages of the same thing over and over again.". I even listened to it through a 1976 GM factory 8track with Bose short wave full range dual coned polyrhythmic vibrational reproducers...while drinking Jim Beam.

[blake_bergeron]

Sorry diss...but you're wrong, I clearly hear, "Let's keep reposting the same opinions on what we think it is until there are 30+ pages of the same thing over and over again.". I even listened to it through a 1976 GM factory 8track with Bose short wave full range dual coned polyrhythmic vibrational reproducers...while drinking Jim Beam.

and you still don't know what it says??? or you do???

[gjamison27]

Well I know what I hear and that is real to me until I hear something different at which time that then becomes my reality based on the new thing I've heard which is different from the old thing I heard before that but both are and were very real in their own way...

[Inner_Eulogy]

What are they?

Not exactly sure but I know it's not that

[Inner_Eulogy]

Yeah. I'm hearing either Cut it, or Cutting light and all, right in two. Blake is hearing cut my love right in two. The problem I have with that is there is no singular entity talking during the song. It's from the point of view of angels, and about humans. Inner is hearing cut our love, which is certainly a possibility, just not what I hear.

Actually, what I hear is "Cuttin' our love, right in two" but I won't say I'm positive of it.

[Inner_Eulogy]

nah... that's too many syllables...

LOL

[Inner_Eulogy]

Having heard it at varying degrees of volume over the last few days thanks to the band I started playing with over the weekend being complete toolophiles, "cutting our love" is the only lyric that seems consistent with the dynamic shifting.

HA! See, that's what I've been saying since day one

[gjamison27]

BULLSHIT, SIR

I just listened to it while in the middle of an orgasm and it clearly stated "You're going to be very disappointed by this album."

Go back and listen to it half way between the middle of an orgasm and the end, then tell me what you think.

[Inner_Eulogy]

Go back and listen to it half way between the middle of an orgasm and the end, then tell me what you think.

That's just wrong

[blake_bergeron]

ok... the orgasm talk is getting us no where... as is this comment, i guess, so keep shooting : P

[AcidRain]

and there are 24 songs total when lateralus and 10000 days are put together, with the 24th song being viginiti tres... or 23... i always thought that it was an equation... all of these songs put together, aside from viginiti tres itself, are 23 songs... and then viginiti tres is there to state it... don't know why, yet... maybe once that line in viginiti tres is deciphered it will make more sense... or less sense... who knows... i wonder if the members of tool are fans of jim carrey and that movie???

Mom and Dad each contribute 23 chromosomes to the fœtus.

DNA, the carrier of the genetic information, has bonding irregularities every 23rd Angstrom.

Aleister Crowley, in his Cabalistic Dictionary, defines 23 as the number of “life” or “a thread”, hauntingly suggestive of the DNA life-script.

On the other hand, 23 has many links with termination: in telegraphers’ code, 23 means “bust” or “break the line”

Hexagram 23 in I Ching means “breaking apart”.

Euclid’s Geometry begins with 23 axioms.

According to Omar Garrison’s Tantra: The Yoga of Sex, in addition to the well-known 28-day female sex cycle, there is also a male sex cycle of 23 days.

And 2/3 equals .66666666 etc. – Crowley’s magick number repeated endlessly.

Just a few 23’s that I thought might be relevant.

[Inner_Eulogy]

Mom and Dad each contribute 23 chromosomes to the fœtus.

DNA, the carrier of the genetic information, has bonding irregularities every 23rd Angstrom.

Aleister Crowley, in his Cabalistic Dictionary, defines 23 as the number of “life” or “a thread”, hauntingly suggestive of the DNA life-script.

On the other hand, 23 has many links with termination: in telegraphers’ code, 23 means “bust” or “break the line”

Hexagram 23 in I Ching means “breaking apart”.

Euclid’s Geometry begins with 23 axioms.

According to Omar Garrison’s Tantra: The Yoga of Sex, in addition to the well-known 28-day female sex cycle, there is also a male sex cycle of 23 days.

And 2/3 equals .66666666 etc. – Crowley’s magick number repeated endlessly.

Just a few 23’s that I thought might be relevant.

It could very well be that the good/bad work in conjunction. Death is required for birth to begin sorta' thing. The same as with the philosophy of the yin yang is that you cannot have one without the other.

[AcidRain]

That’s interesting, I never thought or it that way. I’ve been interested in the “23 conspiracy” for about 10 years now. And well, what you said makes a shit load of sense thank you.

P.S. Not that I'm some kind of conspiracy nut I just find conspiracy theories interesting no necessarily valid.

[gjamison27]

You should find everything interesting but not necessarily valid...

Good is just as evil as he is good...as are all things...

[Inner_Eulogy]

P.S. Not that I'm some kind of conspiracy nut I just find conspiracy theories interesting no necessarily valid.

As do I

[blake_bergeron]

Mom and Dad each contribute 23 chromosomes to the fœtus.

DNA, the carrier of the genetic information, has bonding irregularities every 23rd Angstrom.

Aleister Crowley, in his Cabalistic Dictionary, defines 23 as the number of “life” or “a thread”, hauntingly suggestive of the DNA life-script.

On the other hand, 23 has many links with termination: in telegraphers’ code, 23 means “bust” or “break the line”

Hexagram 23 in I Ching means “breaking apart”.

Euclid’s Geometry begins with 23 axioms.

According to Omar Garrison’s Tantra: The Yoga of Sex, in addition to the well-known 28-day female sex cycle, there is also a male sex cycle of 23 days.

And 2/3 equals .66666666 etc. – Crowley’s magick number repeated endlessly.

Just a few 23’s that I thought might be relevant.

yeah that stuff is pretty cool... i still feel that if you think on something long enough it will manifest more often... it could work with any number... certain things have solutions with 23... but grouping these things together for the sake of whatever is a little silly... what does the male sex cycle have to do with 666 or chromosomes or the earths axis or whatever??? not saying it isn't interesting, but nothing to get hung up on...

[gjamison27]

It has EVERYTHING to do with it silly goose...

[AcidRain]

You should find everything interesting but not necessarily valid...



I disagree with this statement, there is absolutely no reason to find everything interesting. For example, if I where to say “my balls are hairy” ,that’s not very interesting. But on the other hand, if I were to say “I'm 85 and I’ve never grown hair on my balls”, that might be.

[Inner_Eulogy]

I disagree with this statement, there is absolutely no reason to find everything interesting. For example, if I where to say “my balls are hairy” ,that’s not very interesting. But on the other hand, if I were to say “I'm 85 and I’ve never grown hair on my balls”, that might be.

Haha, please do tell us of these hairy balls. I'm sure Gjamison would love to hear about it.

[AcidRain]

well the truth is I'm 85 ;)-~

[gjamison27]

Ah, but at some point someone did indeed find the hair on balls interesting which lead the way to increased knowledge in science. How can you not find it at least somewhat interesting? Why in the world would something like that exist? Why would it exist with or without hair?

I just said you SHOULD find everything interesting. It's fine if you don't, I just think you'd be missing out on alot of really neat things and contributing far less to the world around you than someone who does.

Good one Inner...you're awesome!

[Inner_Eulogy]

Ah, but at some point someone did indeed find the hair on balls interesting which lead the way to increased knowledge in science. How can you not find it at least somewhat interesting? Why in the world would something like that exist? Why would it exist with or without hair?

I just said you SHOULD find everything interesting. It's fine if you don't, I just think you'd be missing out on alot of really neat things and contributing far less to the world around you than someone who does.

Good one Inner...you're awesome!

I try =-) ...and to an extent I do see your point, however, I wouldn't be interested personally in learning about old hairy balls.

[Inner_Eulogy]

I would like to learn more about physics, astronomy, mechanics, metaphysics, how to play an instrument, the truth about aliens and area 51, molecular biology, how to read minds and turn invisible, etc

[gjamison27]

All very interesting indeed!

[Inner_Eulogy]

All very interesting indeed!

Indeed

[blake_bergeron]

I would like to learn more about physics, astronomy, mechanics, metaphysics, how to play an instrument, the truth about aliens and area 51, molecular biology, how to read minds and turn invisible, etc

all in good time... but these things must be acquired delicately...

[gjamison27]

Turning invisible is pretty easy...you could do that in a week!

[K1DA]

your all welcome for the link. using your efforts wisely I see... carry on now.

[Inner_Eulogy]

Granted I didn't dig very hard, I don't have a link to that show but here is a link to a show that is very similar.

http://zombtracker.the-zomb.com/details.php?id=21157

That link is total bullshit, there's nothing there. I think it's a virus.

[blake_bergeron]

That link is total bullshit, there's nothing there. I think it's a virus.

man, that's messed up...

[K1DA]

it is

[blake_bergeron]

don't people have anything better to do than to make up new virus' to destroy other people's computers??? go outside... look at the clouds, moon, stars, trees, flowers... smell the grass, plants, flowers... that's a hell of a lot more rewarding than scheming to destroy a bunch of computers... for people like that i have only one word for them to ponder on... karma...

[K1DA]

I agree

[gjamison27]

Why post a virus link?

[Inner_Eulogy]

Why post a virus link?

It's a link to a torrent site but then after downloading it (which took like 1 1/2days) there's absolutely nothing. I need to scan my computer tonight come to think about it.

[blake_bergeron]

Why post a virus link?

to compensate for the hate the sender of the virus feels... if my life sucks, i'm going to make everyones life suck, sort of thing...

[gjamison27]

Well that sucks...

[Inner_Eulogy]

Well that sucks my monkey balls...
.

[RachJacob]

What an utter disappointment this site has become, I feel like I am stuck in a chat room with a bunch of under-sexed, useless coworkers, stuck in their ego driven fantasy that life can be fulfilled within the constraints of a blog. Absolutely disappointing!

[gjamison27]

But you still feel compelled to stay here and partake in the very act in which you detest.

Genius...pure genius...

P.S.
I am well sexed but bored at work!

[RachJacob]

But you still feel compelled to stay here and partake in the very act in which you detest.

Genius...pure genius...

P.S.
I am well sexed but bored at work!

I haven't been on here for months and decided to check it out, disappointed to find out that the dynamics of the internet have reared it's ugly head once again.

I am glad you commented at least I know I hit a nerve. So glad you felt compelled to insure me that you are well sexed, so convincing.

[gjamison27]

You have hit no such nerve my friend, and welcome back.

I wasn't really compelled, nor was I attempting to convince you of anything.

You made the effort to generalize that a large group of people were under-sexed.

I simply made the effort to state that I was well-sexed.

No biggie. Again, I stay pretty bored at work...

[Inner_Eulogy]

What an utter disappointment this site has become, I feel like I am stuck in a chat room with a bunch of under-sexed, useless coworkers, stuck in their ego driven fantasy that life can be fulfilled within the constraints of a blog. Absolutely disappointing!

What's disappointing is the fact that you took the time to whine about it. Now go back to your plans of harvesting sea monkeys for world domination.

[blake_bergeron]

What an utter disappointment this site has become, I feel like I am stuck in a chat room with a bunch of under-sexed, useless coworkers, stuck in their ego driven fantasy that life can be fulfilled within the constraints of a blog. Absolutely disappointing!

you seem nice : )

[RachJacob]

What's disappointing is the fact that you took the time to whine about it. Now go back to your plans of harvesting sea monkeys for world domination.

This is the type of babble that proves my point the most. Thank you to all of you whom felt compelled to write to defend your pathetic positions. Once you realize that I planted a seed and you keep watering it, my thoughts remain.

[gjamison27]

Why would you want to grow something you detest?

Would that not be the pathetic position?

And no...thank you...

[Inner_Eulogy]

This is the type of babble that proves my point the most. Thank you to all of you whom felt compelled to write to defend your pathetic positions. Once you realize that I planted a seed and you keep watering it, my thoughts remain.

I didn't feel compelled to defend anything, what exactly did I defend? I'm just making fun of your lame ass for coming on here and whining about it. Nobody cares and surely nobody missed you. If it's that bad then leave and don't come back. If you'd like to discuss something of substance then bring something up. You're like one of those fucking fat girls that sit there and cry about being overweight while stuffing their mouths with ice creams and fun yuns between sniffles. I have no sympathy for that bullshit, do something about it.

Everyone here have been Tool discussion'ed all out over the last year or so. You got something to fucking add to spark an interesting conversation then do so. Just come in here like some Sally bitch and whine about it, I'll slap you and take your baby rattle from you.

[K1DA]

The link I posted is to one of the most well known torrent sites, especially for tool. I've never had any problems with that site before and I've used it many times. I over estimated some of you it seems.

[RachJacob]

I didn't feel compelled to defend anything, what exactly did I defend? I'm just making fun of your lame ass for coming on here and whining about it. Nobody cares and surely nobody missed you. If it's that bad then leave and don't come back. If you'd like to discuss something of substance then bring something up. You're like one of those fucking fat girls that sit there and cry about being overweight while stuffing their mouths with ice creams and fun yuns between sniffles. I have no sympathy for that bullshit, do something about it.

Everyone here have been Tool discussion'ed all out over the last year or so. You got something to fucking add to spark an interesting conversation then do so. Just come in here like some Sally bitch and whine about it, I'll slap you and take your baby rattle from you.

I truly feel changed by this comment... No actually I feel affirmed, your hostility feeds me. I would consider you a worthy opponent however the offensive stance you have taken makes you weak.
It's interesting to me that on a tool discussion page everyone is "tool discussion'ed out", fascinating really. I must have been mistaken to assume that people would actually be talking about tool on a tool discussion page (insert huge amounts of sarcasm for you laymens).
I don't need to be missed by such ignorance, just stereotyped to prove that I too cannot escape the terrors of the world.

[RachJacob]

Why would you want to grow something you detest?

Would that not be the pathetic position?

And no...thank you...

I can assure you now that I have stirred the pot, I wont be back for some time. Unlike you ring leaders I come in here with the intention of stimulating minds on occasion.

[Yast3r]

I don't think you stirred the pot though, I think you've just made 3 posts and now you'll be forgotten if you leave. *shrugs*

[RachJacob]

I don't think you stirred the pot though, I think you've just made 3 posts and now you'll be forgotten if you leave. *shrugs*

I pissed a couple of people off along the way (even though they will deny it)! Doesn't that count for anything?
I love the back and forth battles, the I am more enlightened then you tug-o-wars. I stirred the pot by coming into (for you regulars) your life and giving it a little pizzaz, and tomorrow all will go back to normal, I won't be missed and you will all continue your desperate attempt to connect with life through the web.
Escapism

[Yast3r]

My life is the web sadly. I am only on here so much because I have to monitor my website, add new articles and the like. When I have nothing to do I check out some websites, and this is the most recent addition to my list.

But did you really anger people? I think they were typing with no emotions. It was more of a generic "if you don't like it, don't come here" type thing. I'd stick around if I were you, I enjoyed your Pushit thread even though it lacked substance. It got some discussion going on the actual Tool forums... without spirally off topic like most other threads do.

[RachJacob]

My life is the web sadly. I am only on here so much because I have to monitor my website, add new articles and the like. When I have nothing to do I check out some websites, and this is the most recent addition to my list.

But did you really anger people? I think they were typing with no emotions. It was more of a generic "if you don't like it, don't come here" type thing. I'd stick around if I were you, I enjoyed your Pushit thread even though it lacked substance. It got some discussion going on the actual Tool forums... without spirally off topic like most other threads do.

I would encourage more of these threads, because it was the ones that spiraled off topic that unleashed the beast of beautiful burden, the extreme pessimist in me.
Substance is in the eye of the beholder.

[Yast3r]

It's hard to think of new material however--something that'd trigger a conversation. Most of them will have been mentioned a million times before, or it will just be a half-assed thread that no one will feel inspired enough by to reply to.

If you hate these boards, and you enjoy thinking etc. Stick around and check the Creative boards. If you get them active, I'm sure you can have stimulating conversations and discuss things that are interesting to you. I found the audience around those parts are completely different than the ones you see around here.

I'm the opposite of you however, I love Inner_Eulogy's posts. So far he's my favorite poster on the boards and it's great to just joke around with him and take topics--well...off topic? Relax a little, enjoy the meaningful threads and have fun in the joke ones!

[RachJacob]

It's hard to think of new material however--something that'd trigger a conversation. Most of them will have been mentioned a million times before, or it will just be a half-assed thread that no one will feel inspired enough by to reply to.

If you hate these boards, and you enjoy thinking etc. Stick around and check the Creative boards. If you get them active, I'm sure you can have stimulating conversations and discuss things that are interesting to you. I found the audience around those parts are completely different than the ones you see around here.

I'm the opposite of you however, I love Inner_Eulogy's posts. So far he's my favorite poster on the boards and it's great to just joke around with him and take topics--well...off topic? Relax a little, enjoy the meaningful threads and have fun in the joke ones!

I have nothing against inner eulogy, like you said don't we respond in these blogs "without emotion". It's nonsensical babble anyhow, I could take any position my hearts desire, the frail house wife, the aggressive fat girl, the horny frat boy, the ignorant foreigner. I don't take these things too seriously, that is what makes it so fun to come in and stir up the threads that have traveled off course.
I keep the serious thoughts for the productive threads.

[Yast3r]

I have nothing against inner eulogy, like you said don't we respond in these blogs "without emotion". It's nonsensical babble anyhow, I could take any position my hearts desire, the frail house wife, the aggressive fat girl, the horny frat boy, the ignorant foreigner. I don't take these things too seriously, that is what makes it so fun to come in and stir up the threads that have traveled off course.
I keep the serious thoughts for the productive threads.

Ah, so you're sticking around? I like having some friendly faces to talk to around here! Or are you still in the whole "stirring things up and leaving" mode?

[RachJacob]

Ah, so you're sticking around? I like having some friendly faces to talk to around here! Or are you still in the whole "stirring things up and leaving" mode?

I like these threads on occasion, I probably won't be back for some time.

[Rubb.]

penguins.

[Yast3r]

THEYRE POSTS, NOT BLOGS, YO, IT'S CALLED AN INTERNETS FORUM

Internet forum? I thought this was what I heard all those young folks talking about, that MSAnn?

[blake_bergeron]

wow you guys really went at it with rachjacob last night huh??? it was a nice change of pace, i'll give shim(no offense, just don't know gender either) that...

[Inner_Eulogy]

The link I posted is to one of the most well known torrent sites, especially for tool. I've never had any problems with that site before and I've used it many times. I over estimated some of you it seems.

Over estimated? I downloaded it (which took a day and a half) it opened up Limewire and downloaded from there for whatever reason and after all that I got absolutely nothing but files that don't do shit. Either that or I'm a dumbass and don't know the "correct" way to use them.

[Inner_Eulogy]

I truly feel changed by this comment... No actually I feel affirmed, your hostility feeds me. I would consider you a worthy opponent however the offensive stance you have taken makes you weak.
It's interesting to me that on a tool discussion page everyone is "tool discussion'ed out", fascinating really. I must have been mistaken to assume that people would actually be talking about tool on a tool discussion page (insert huge amounts of sarcasm for you laymens).
I don't need to be missed by such ignorance, just stereotyped to prove that I too cannot escape the terrors of the world.

lol, weak....like your commentary. Nobody gives a fuck. The only thing affirmed here is that you're still whining like a little bitch and adding absolutely nothing.

[Inner_Eulogy]

I can assure you now that I have stirred the pot, I wont be back for some time. Unlike you ring leaders I come in here with the intention of stimulating minds on occasion.

The only thing you've stimulated with your nonsensical empty babble are the pet rocks still left out there in the world.

[Inner_Eulogy]

My life is the web sadly. I am only on here so much because I have to monitor my website, add new articles and the like. When I have nothing to do I check out some websites, and this is the most recent addition to my list.

But did you really anger people? I think they were typing with no emotions. It was more of a generic "if you don't like it, don't come here" type thing. I'd stick around if I were you, I enjoyed your Pushit thread even though it lacked substance. It got some discussion going on the actual Tool forums... without spirally off topic like most other threads do.

He apparently gets off by the thought of if he stirred the pot...lol Yes, Rach...you have gotten me so riled up and flustered. Haha, now go jerk off in the corner.

[Yast3r]

He apparently gets off by the thought of if he stirred the pot...lol Yes, Rach...you have gotten me so riled up and flustered. Haha, now go jerk off in the corner.

Unfortunately he will not get to see your wit Inner, he decided to leave now that he's tore this place to shreds. Can you believe how he shook up this establishment to the point of no comprehension? I don't even think I can post here until the messiah returns and fixes everything yet again.

[Inner_Eulogy]

This is basicaly the crux of the dilemma right here.

There hasn't really been anything new happening directly related to Tool in a long, long while -- certainly not enough to sustain enjoyment of discourse for most of the denizens of these boards. Most go into the Interact section where they talk about whatever, but there are those who prefer this section. And as with any net community, or, hell, community in general, people tend to form a cameraderie which will flow from the original topic that brought them together in the first place.

It's simple social dynamics during this vacuum of Toolish material. When a new album comes out, the boards will flame up with plenty of discussion on the kinds of things that it seems RachJacob wants to talk about, and I heartily welcome him/her (both genders represented in username...) to come on in and chill about this piece of web real estate with all of us. But until then, if (s)he is going to bitch at us for the type of thing that's become par for the course here, then I advise (s)he leave.

We already have our fair share of dumb jackasses, we don't need a moderately intelligent jackass.

LOL, well said.

[Inner_Eulogy]

Unfortunately he will not get to see your wit Inner, he decided to leave now that he's tore this place to shreds. Can you believe how he shook up this establishment to the point of no comprehension? I don't even think I can post here until the messiah returns and fixes everything yet again.

Rach, the messiah? I wouldn't even joke about that. I'll set this place off like two fat hoes sittin' on some corn flakes then drop this shit like some french fries in hot grease.....

[gjamison27]

He folded like a cheap lawn chair in a full service laundromat...

[K1DA]

Over estimated? I downloaded it (which took a day and a half) it opened up Limewire and downloaded from there for whatever reason and after all that I got absolutely nothing but files that don't do shit. Either that or I'm a dumbass and don't know the "correct" way to use them.I would guess your problem is that you don't have a codec for .flac files, which is what the files you downloaded should have been. I have no clue about limewire anything, if I were you I would use azureus for torrent files.

[Inner_Eulogy]

I would guess your problem is that you don't have a codec for .flac files, which is what the files you downloaded should have been. I have no clue about limewire anything, if I were you I would use azureus for torrent files.

Well what's a codec and how do I get it?

[blake_bergeron]

I'll set this place off like two fat hoes sittin' on some corn flakes then drop this shit like some french fries in hot grease.....

motha' WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!

[Yast3r]

I know right? Our entire way of internet life is in ruins! HOW SHALL WE SURVIVE THIS?

We must elect one of our own and set him up as a false deity to not only worship, but offer daily sacrifice to. That's the only logical thinking that comes to my mind at the moment.

[Yast3r]

I agree. Our lord will return!

I'm sure even iAMTHESTUPI! would agree on this point -- it's pathetically obvious that RachJacob is a simple pseudonym for RachJesus...

This is truly the end of times...

Jesus, take the J and you have the tenth letter in the alphabet. Look at the song 46&2, take away that 2 and add it to the 10 and you have 12. Rach kind of sounds like wrath.

Perhaps RachJesus is actually a sign of the upcoming apocalypse in 2012?

[Yast3r]

Mayan kind of sounds like Maynard. Maybe thats why he changed his name! Rivek, I think we just cracked the whole meaning of Tool right here! Someone call in iamanass! so he can elaborate on this and fill in any gaps that we've yet to fill.

[Yast3r]

"The upstarts are the genetic mutations of grey squirrels. And although nuts may be their food of choice there have been reports of their hungry Russian counterparts savaging stray dogs. Black squirrels could spread to Norfolk and Suffolk within 10 years and there are fears they could wipe out greys altogether." www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=561946&in_page_id=1770&ito=1

... It has begun. WrathJesus came to tell us that black squirrels will become mutated, kill off the rest of the squirrel population and then turn to us as their main food supply. Is this the end of civilization as we know it?

(It's late and I'm tired but I've got to wait for something to finish downloading so please excuse the stupidity of the last few posts I've made :P)

[Yast3r]

What an utter disappointment this site has become, I feel like I am stuck in a chat room with a bunch of under-sexed, useless coworkers, stuck in their ego driven fantasy that life can be fulfilled within the constraints of a blog. Absolutely disappointing!

Maybe thats why he kept calling the site a blog. To hint at dog. To further stress the importance of squirrels eating freaking dogs! WE WERE BLIND OF THE TRUTH! :(

[Inner_Eulogy]

Oh well

guess we'll just all sit around and kiss our asses goodbye until the Rapture.

Sup gaiz?

Sup.


A squirrel attacked my garbage over the weekend.....it must be proof that the end has begun.

[gjamison27]

Or begun...

:-O

[Inner_Eulogy]

Or begun...

:-O

typo, the I is right next to the U

[gjamison27]

I couldn't resist...

[blake_bergeron]

I've been doing some hardcore promo with my band for our show on sunday. It's gonna kick ass. We're hoping to have vids up on youtube by monday, but we may be too busy with a celebratory shroom trip

one way or another I"ll have a story to tell come tuesday.

can't wait...

[azdmc]

cut light all right in two?~

[blake_bergeron]

cut light all right in two?~

i haven't listened to the song in a while, but that makes sense...

[Schema]

cut light all right in two?~

Possible... but I doubt in that form. That's awfully clumsy a way of saying such, isn't it?

[blair's man sausage]

angels on the sideline.
Puzzled and amused.
Why did daddy give these humans free will?
Now they're all confused.

Don't these talking monkeys know that Eden has enough to around?
Plenty in this holy garden,
Silly monkeys, where there's one you're bound to divide it right in two.

Angels on the sideline.
Baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason.
And this is what they choose?

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys. Give them thumbs, they forge a blade,
and where there's one they're bound to divide it right in two.

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground...
Silly monkeys Give them thumbs, they make a club to beat their brother down.
How they've survived so divided is a mystery.
Repugnant is a creature who would squander his ability to lift an eye to heaven,
conscious of his fleeting time here.

Gotta divide it all right in two.

Fight till they die over sun, over sky
They fight till they die over sea, over air
They fight till they die over blood, over love,
They fight till they die over words, polarizing.

Angels on the sideline again.
Benched along with patience and reason.
Angels on the sideline again.
Wondering when this tug of war will end.

WORDS
By

MAYNARD JAMES KEENAN

posted today, something seems missing but hey it's his song.

[blake_bergeron]

this should be the next video they make... it could be in black and white... with lots of opposites that are together in the beginning and are completely separated by the end...

[fawks]

Pretty sure the "fight til they die..." repeat is the way he sings it live as opposed to the studio version

[blake_bergeron]

i don't think anyone would have guessed he was saying 'divide it all right in two'... even listening to it i can barely hear it... it sounds like he's pronouncing it 'die-vide it all right in two'... thanks maynard for making it impossible to decipher until your original lyrics are given.... aaaarrrrhhhggg.. (if i were a pirate, thats how i would show my frustration)

[Yast3r]

I always heard divide it all right in two.

[blair's man sausage]

always thought "cutting all i know right in two"

[blake_bergeron]

I always heard divide it all right in two.

then why didn't you ever say that?

[Yast3r]

I never go to these lyrics threads. I find it pointless.

[blake_bergeron]

I never go to these lyrics threads. I find it pointless.

i find it interesting... hearing other peoples interpretations of what they hear and combining them with what i hear and seeing how the mesh of alternate meanings makes me feel... try to figure out why i hear and think certain things and why others hear and think something different... no matter if i don't hear at all what they hear... the fact that this music can be interpreted so many different ways and make so many people hear and feel so many different things... different interpretations spark different memories and emotions in people in a way that gives the music an infinite depth to its definition...

[Inner_Eulogy]

i don't think anyone would have guessed he was saying 'divide it all right in two'... even listening to it i can barely hear it... it sounds like he's pronouncing it 'die-vide it all right in two'... thanks maynard for making it impossible to decipher until your original lyrics are given.... aaaarrrrhhhggg.. (if i were a pirate, thats how i would show my frustration)

Rubbish!! That's not official.

It's "cuttin' our love, right in two"

[NMoB]

Rubbish!! That's not official.

It's "cuttin' our love, right in two"

the end is nigh. i agree with you.

[blake_bergeron]

Rubbish!! That's not official.

It's "cuttin' our love, right in two"

well where the hell did BMS get that from?? if thats not it, i'm sticking with "cut my love, right in two"

[Inner_Eulogy]

well where the hell did BMS get that from?? if thats not it, i'm sticking with "cut my love, right in two"

He was lying, the official lyrics for that song have NOT been released yet....and it's "cuttin' our love, right in two"

[blake_bergeron]

Somewhere, Maynard is sitting at his computer chair, naked, reading this thread and laughing his fucking balls off.

i doubt it...

[blake_bergeron]

C'mon man, he got millions of people to wear a shirt that says TOOL all over it.

People are branding themselves as TOOLs every day.

Maynard is laughing his ass off at someone he's suckered with something, you just know it.

he's too busy making wine...(without piss)

[Inner_Eulogy]

C'mon man, he got millions of people to wear a shirt that says TOOL all over it.

People are branding themselves as TOOLs every day.

Maynard is laughing his ass off at someone he's suckered with something, you just know it.

I'll bet he has laughed at us fans many times, especially these gullible fools that idolize him.

[lambandmartyr]

I can easily buy the gotta divide it all right in two. If you run and slur together the first two words and the first syllable of divide, you can make it work. I certainly hear that in the song. However, there's no way that the "official lyrics" for the fight till they die part synch with the studio version. Doesn't matter much to me either way, however, because this is a fantastic song.

[blake_bergeron]

"repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven conscious of his fleeting time here"

best line of the album in my opinion...