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BlanketEffect
01-12-2007, 12:07 PM
weirdos....

Perhaps that's the purpose of this site?

hobblegobble
01-12-2007, 12:37 PM
yeah but the shit is overanaylized....for christs sake

BlanketEffect
01-12-2007, 02:45 PM
yeah but the shit is overanaylized....for christs sake

Perhaps that's the purpose of this site?

benjamin
01-13-2007, 11:51 PM
yeah but the shit is overanaylized....for christs sake


It's just conversation. Much like the one you were just involved in.

...for christs sake. You posted twice to say ...what exactly?

TOOL-overanaylized=oxymoron.

For the sake of christ.

PShepherd11
01-14-2007, 06:31 AM
Fight for they can, over earth, over sky
They fight over line, over blood, and air and light
over love, over some, over none
They fight 'til they die, over words for the writing!"

This is almost what I hear. The more I listen to it, the clearer it becomes. I am hearing:

"Fight 'til they die, over earth, over sky
Fight over a lie, over blood, and air and light,
over love, over some, over none
Fight 'til they die, over what? For their rising"

twostringsmissing
01-14-2007, 07:01 PM
Let the monkey keep his free will. Just lose the thumb.

"cut it right off, right in two"

TortusTool
01-20-2007, 10:37 PM
O.K. "Person". First off, unless you have a form of Media Player you paid for, slowing the song is NOT a reliable way to listen for detail. Second, I don't think it's an EXACT "Cut and divide..." more like "Cut'n d'vide it all..." and not that at all the first go 'round imo...
"Cu-ut it all right in 2.
Gotta divide it all right in 2.
Cut'n d'vide it all right in 2.
Gotta divide it all right in 2.

Also, the "lift an eye to" line. If you're soo fond of "slowing it down", please review this part again for my mysterious "dat". Listen to the line carefully, the "ta" to me, ends up sounding like "Lift an eye tat heaven..."

But, tell me again how confident you are about those...
Peace.

I think your "mysterious 'dat' sound" is just part of the distortion on the vocals.

Also, It's funny how I had stated that I used "real audio programs" not WMP. However, I told those of you who don't, to use WMP and slow it down, although it is a shitty way of doing it, it is a way none the less. I stick by what I wrote and that is what I will personally sing out when I feel the need to sing along. Because... Until there are lyrics posted or given out by MJK there is no way of truly knowing. Have fun discussing, to those who discuss and to those who enjoy bashing everyone... KARMA WILL FIND YOU!

hobblegobble
01-22-2007, 09:32 AM
There is about as much purpose to this site as there is in trying to post an opinion on it...

benjamin
01-22-2007, 10:31 PM
^^Also equal to the purpose of life itself...the experience, no more, no less.

imo

hobblegobble
01-23-2007, 07:30 AM
of course that would be my opinion so then there would have to be some purpose in me posting that if I did in the first place

Pavlov_Dog
01-23-2007, 04:57 PM
I don't know if this has been said or not - because I don't feel like skimming through 78 pages - but I think he's saying 'cutting our love right in two' during those parts of the song...

benjamin
01-23-2007, 10:24 PM
Don't you guys try and sing along at all to test your theories? This goes for Blanket too. When I attempt to sing "Cutting my law..." it doesn't really work, imo, it sounds to me like "lul" instead of "law" ...and "Cutting our love..." certainly is no better, nobody just pronounces shit that way...even Nard, even for the sake of smiting us..."Cutting ARE love..." me matey, yyaarrr!

...oh well, get into it a bit and try singing Cut'n divide it all right in two, right in two! ...it might just sound good for ya. That is if you haven't already. I'm not trying to sell you short. (Blanket...)

Peace.

BlanketEffect
01-24-2007, 08:02 PM
Yeah, the annoying thing is that I can sing several of the proposed lines and I can make them fit what he's singing. I think it is because I can hear all of the possibilities the way the proponents of those lines can. I just only agree with one of them being the 'right' one, and that's the "cutting my law right in two" idea that I had a few months ago.

Most of them make sense, and several of them phonetically fit depending how you sing them. In the end you just have to pick one that you think is the 'real' one.

eerieBaatezu
01-25-2007, 06:05 AM
I think your "mysterious 'dat' sound" is just part of the distortion on the vocals.

Also, It's funny how I had stated that I used "real audio programs" not WMP. However, I told those of you who don't, to use WMP and slow it down, although it is a shitty way of doing it, it is a way none the less. I stick by what I wrote and that is what I will personally sing out when I feel the need to sing along. Because... Until there are lyrics posted or given out by MJK there is no way of truly knowing. Have fun discussing, to those who discuss and to those who enjoy bashing everyone... KARMA WILL FIND YOU!

Agree. (excepting KARMA WILL FIND YOU!:))

We cannot solve this without Mister Keenan :)))

I reduced sounds around MJK's voice, skipped too low and high frequencies and slowed it to 80% and it is still ambiguous.

benjamin
01-25-2007, 08:35 AM
Yeah, the annoying thing is that I can sing several of the proposed lines and I can make them fit what he's singing. I think it is because I can hear all of the possibilities the way the proponents of those lines can. I just only agree with one of them being the 'right' one, and that's the "cutting my law right in two" idea that I had a few months ago.

Most of them make sense, and several of them phonetically fit depending how you sing them. In the end you just have to pick one that you think is the 'real' one.

Word. Hilariously, the officials, no doubt will help NONE!

MJK=theshiznit!

BlanketEffect
01-25-2007, 02:03 PM
Exactly, because there are certainly precedents set that show the 'official' lyrics posted aren't necessarily the 'recorded' lyrics.

Skwampus
01-26-2007, 05:53 PM
I think maybe the chorus is:

Cut it right out right in two.

that doesn't make sense but it sounds like that's what he's saying.

eerieBaatezu
01-28-2007, 12:58 AM
I think your "mysterious 'dat' sound" is just part of the distortion on the vocals.

Also, It's funny how I had stated that I used "real audio programs" not WMP. However, I told those of you who don't, to use WMP and slow it down, although it is a shitty way of doing it, it is a way none the less. I stick by what I wrote and that is what I will personally sing out when I feel the need to sing along. Because... Until there are lyrics posted or given out by MJK there is no way of truly knowing. Have fun discussing, to those who discuss and to those who enjoy bashing everyone... KARMA WILL FIND YOU!
Agree. (excepting KARMA WILL FIND YOU!:))

We cannot solve this without Mister Keenan :)))

I reduced sounds around MJK's voice, skipped too low and high frequencies and slowed it to 80% and it is still ambiguous.
^ ^ ^

benjamin
01-28-2007, 10:34 PM
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orcaloverbri9
01-30-2007, 03:34 PM
Honestly, it still sounds like "cuuuuut it all right in two," though there is a sort of odd rest in "cut," like "cuu-uut it all right in two." Also, the "it" is very quick. My guess is it's just distortion on the vocal track. "Cutting" is close, but there is no "ng" sound from what I can hear. I doubt Maynard would mention love like that.

BlanketEffect
01-30-2007, 03:45 PM
Not 'love' -- 'law'

Pavlov_Dog
01-30-2007, 04:50 PM
This has to be one of the most confusing songs to decipher, as well as the most amusing.

I wish Maynard would've given us these lyrics instead of Wings..

Yogi DMT
02-08-2007, 02:51 PM
I may be wrong here since I'm new to the forum, but I think "Cut and divide it all right in two" has way too many syllables, even if it is slurred together as one word like people have said.

I think he's saying "cutting my law right in two" or "cutting light all right in two"

The last one doesn't make that much since, but I hear both possiblities.

BlanketEffect
02-08-2007, 10:54 PM
I think he's saying "cutting my law right in two" or "cutting light all right in two"

The last one doesn't make that much sense, but I hear both possibilities.

Word.

I hear both phonetics; however, the law one is clearly the more likely candidate of the two.

Cheesegreater
02-08-2007, 11:58 PM
I wonder if there's another word that means to divide that starts with a "c". I don't have a thesaurus handy, but it seems possible. Either way, if it is some version of "cut or cutting" it's annunciated rather strangely. That's part of the beauty of Tool, finding Maynard in the dissonance. Obviously if you could pull out layers of the music and just hear his microphone, people would have hardly any difficulty interpreting the lyrics, and honestly, what's the fun in that? It pleases me to know that in our age of technology an album can be out for as long a year and people are still scratching their heads as to what exactly the lyrics are. And when you figure out those little tid-bits it allows for new revelations for repeat listeners which is the whole idea behind polyphonic music. Tool is about one of the most polyphonic bands to date and they have DC to thank for a lot of that. After a lot of thought, I've decided that Right in Two is my favorite track off 10,000 Days. The lyrics are just outstanding and the music matches them beautifully. That's just my opinion.

aic4ever
02-12-2007, 01:23 PM
Seems to be the most disputed part of the song. I haven't read through all of this but there still doesn't seem to be a consensus. I, for one, don't hear the word "cut" anywhere in there, or "gotta" for that matter. And I don't particularly hear as many words as some are positing. I hear the following...

"divide it all right in two"

...with the first "i" expressed in long form (sounding like "eye"), and drawn out as such...

diii-vide it all right in two...

seems to me that this is what fits properly with the rest of the lyrics...

anyways...with all the quibbling over what exactly the lyric is, i think we can all generally agree on the intent of the passage, at the least...

Cheesegreater
02-12-2007, 02:46 PM
I think at the end of Right in Two the last chorus he says

Angels on the sideline again
"Picture love with patience and reason"

That's just my opinion, and "picture love" is said relatively quickly.

I know that no one wants to hear this, and I know the whole benched-along theory, but I think this could be what he is saying "Angels on the sideline picture love with patience and reason."

Not trying to read too much in to it or offend anybody who thinks this is not the case. I feel like I need a disclaimer just say my opinion 'round here sometimes.

-Peace out

Yogi DMT
02-13-2007, 01:37 PM
I think at the end of Right in Two the last chorus he says

Angels on the sideline again
"Picture love with patience and reason"


Wow. At first I was hearing 'benched along w/ patience and reason", but now I hear "picture love w/ patience and reason" clearly. I know we will not be sure until MJK releases the officials, but I think this is probably what he's saying.


-MG

ppurcelljr
02-13-2007, 01:51 PM
BENCHED along with patience and reason. It fits the whole sideline/tug o' war theme. Considering his sense of humor it starts to fit pretty well. Not sure if someone already entered that but I really think that's the word he's using there.

ppurcelljr
02-13-2007, 01:53 PM
My bad. Should have read the previous post.

ashdelecour
02-16-2007, 12:46 AM
Right in two lyrics

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I seen that they still needed some help with the lyrics for Right in two. So I listened to the song and kept hitting the rewind button on the parts they where having troubles with. the parts in parantheses our the parts that they weren't sure of. I listened to those parts several times. So listen to the song and let me know if you agree.


Angels on the sideline,
Puzzled and amused.
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they're all confused.

Don't these talking monkeys know that Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys
Where there's one you're bound to divide it
Right in two

Angels on the sideline,
Baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason,
And this is what they choose?

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs they forge a blade
And where there's one they're bound to divide it
Right in two

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club,
And beat their brother down.
How they survive so misguided is a mystery.
Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability,
To lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here.

[Cut it divide it all right in two
Cut it divide it all right in two
Cut it divide it all right in two]

Fight over the clouds, over wind, over sky
Fight over your lie, over blood, over anything
Fight over love, over sun, over nothing
Fight till they die,
(Ahhh!) over what? for their ending

Angels on the sideline again
[Pitching Love] with patience and reason
Angels on the sideline again
Wondering when this tug of war will end

[Cut it divide it all right in two
Cut it divide it all right in two
Cut it divide it all right in two]

benjamin
02-16-2007, 01:21 AM
"Repugnant is the creature who will squander the ability to live tonight at heaven conscious of his fleeting time here.
Cu-ut it all right in two..."

IMO, peace.

Cheesegreater
02-16-2007, 03:30 PM
"Repugnant is the creature who will squander the ability to live tonight at heaven conscious of his fleeting time here.
Cu-ut it all right in two..."

IMO, peace.

To live tonight at/in heaven, just has never made sense to me at all. I mean "an eye" and "tonight" sound totally different. I really thought this would be a line that people could agree on: "To lift an eye to (pronounced ta) heaven conscious of his fleeting time here."

Think about this. How can you say a creature is repugnant if he squanders the ability to do something which he cannot: To live tonight at/in Heaven (which "at" makes no sense grammatically, also.) conscious of his fleeting time here. That's like saying "Hey you, you're disgusting for not living in heaven tonight." I know we could go into a deep metaphorical analysis of the line if he were indeed asking us to live tonight in heaven, but given how straight-forward the rest of this song is, I don't think he would throw in an analogy where he thinks we have the power to live tonight in heaven, and we're repugnant for not doing so.

The reason I think "lift an eye to heaven," is pretty simple. Throughout the whole song he depicts humans as violent, unreasonable monkeys that kill one another. He's saying, essentially, that if only us "creatures" would lift an eye to heaven (or the heavens) and be conscious of how all life is fleeting, then all this killing and hatred and greed in humanity proves to be so pointless.

hobblegobble
02-16-2007, 03:35 PM
"Repugnant is the creature who will squander the ability to live tonight at heaven conscious of his fleeting time here.
Cu-ut it all right in two..."

IMO, peace.

besides, if that so happens to be the correct lyrics, wouldn't he have said "the ability to live tonight IN heaven" ?

hobblegobble
02-16-2007, 03:36 PM
haha nevermind I didn't read Cheese's whole post and pretty much just re-posted what he/she said. Sorry!

benjamin
02-16-2007, 11:12 PM
haha nevermind I didn't read Cheese's whole post and pretty much just re-posted what he/she said. Sorry!

Yeah but it's still good to go "on record" as disagreeing w/ my line. Who cares. I've posted this interp. many times over anyhoo.
Not to be rude, but all that you have pointed out is quite obvious to me as well. I might even guess that when the "officials" come out, the line reads; "...lift an eye to heaven..." ...but.
Well this is "what's he saying" and I don't care how many times "official" lyrics get posted. It's still, imo, a fun conversation to contemplate what he's actually singing on the studio cut.
Lift an eye to heaven; makes perfect/obvious sense. Just, when I listen, I hear something like:
lift an eyet at heaven
ie: my thoughts were
lift indict at heaven (that got completely blown out of the water) or,
live tonight at heaven

Listen, lift an eye ta heaven... when YOU say it, it sounds right ...now listen to the album, just before "heaven", sounds like an "at" there. For me anyway. ..."lift an eye tat heaven..." that's what I hear. Not like I think "this line would be cool if it was..."

Oh well, peace.

Cheesegreater
02-17-2007, 08:03 PM
Cool, I see where you're coming from man. That's half the fun of these forums. Throwing "what ifs" out there.

hobblegobble
02-19-2007, 07:23 AM
I wasn't disagreeing at all with your post. I was just trying to make some sense of it.

Yogi DMT
02-19-2007, 08:19 AM
BENCHED along with patience and reason. It fits the whole sideline/tug o' war theme. Considering his sense of humor it starts to fit pretty well. Not sure if someone already entered that but I really think that's the word he's using there.

I wasn't saying that "benched along.." didn't make sence. "Benched along" makes perfect sence in the song. I was saying that "picture love.." is what I hear much more clearly

Silly Monkey
03-02-2007, 06:31 PM
Okay, I'm throwing in my two cents. I've played endlessly, dropping and raising frequencies (kill between 0 to 220 Hz, raise until you're flat at 900, and lower from 2000 to 5000 is what I found best with my limited knowledge) to bring the vocals out, and this is what I hear:

Gotta divide it all, right in two.
Cuttin' my law, right in two. [At one point, I thought this might be "Cut [/gut] him, high, low, right in two".]
Cuttin' my love, right in two.
Cuttin' my law, right in two.

Cuttin' my law, right in two.
Cuttin' my law, right in two.
Cut it [/him?] right all, right in two. Right in two. [Really not sure about this line, though, and what I'm hearing isn't English good exactly.]

panocha21
03-05-2007, 07:08 AM
Cuuiuuuuut it all right in two.

He's just adding some soul into the word cut, that's all.

redjenova
03-06-2007, 05:44 PM
That's kind of what I thought Panocha, but I still can't tell. I'm gonna just stick with that until the official lyrics come out.

TortusTool
03-06-2007, 09:30 PM
I think at the end of Right in Two the last chorus he says

Angels on the sideline again
"Picture love with patience and reason"

That's just my opinion, and "picture love" is said relatively quickly.

I know that no one wants to hear this, and I know the whole benched-along theory, but I think this could be what he is saying "Angels on the sideline picture love with patience and reason."

Not trying to read too much in to it or offend anybody who thinks this is not the case. I feel like I need a disclaimer just say my opinion 'round here sometimes.

-Peace out

Sad that we have to make disclaimers for our thoughts, is it not?

TortusTool
03-06-2007, 09:58 PM
My two cents, yet again. For those whome don't feel like going back and reading previous posts...

"...Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to LIFT AN EYE TO (enunciated as "Ta") HEAVEN conscious of his fleeting time here.

Cut Thine all, right in two.
Cut Thine Lord, right in two.
Cut Thine law, right in two.
Cut Thine love, right in two."

(Am I the only one that hears it like this... and not the nonsensical fighting over clouds and such? Name one fight that has been over clouds... I don't hear a clouD, maybe clowN [really not trying to be mean but i just can't grasp the concept of cloud]... I have also revised my own thought from "Fight for they can" to "Fight for their clan")
"::Under guitars::(Over, over, over, over, over, over, over...)
Fight for their clan, over earth, over sky
They fight over line, over blood, over air and light
over love, over some, over none
They fight 'til they die, over words for the writing!"

Cheesegreater
03-07-2007, 12:35 AM
Sad that we have to make disclaimers for our thoughts, is it not?

It certainly is. But it's still neccesary. All a disclaimer is is something that tries to convince the listener that you aren't a stark-raving idiot. It's a prerequisite for any post on any forum it seems. People want to be able to file you in a category of "I'll listen to you" or "I'll be condescending and arrogant to you." depending on their own personal feelings of what you happen to be discussing. Makes things easier, right? Hehe... Oh well.

endless_nameless
03-08-2007, 07:43 PM
He might say "cutting it light, or right in two", as in make a shallow, temporary cut or a deep permanent separation.

bassmaster
03-13-2007, 08:48 AM
I've been looking on youtube. He sings different lyrics live than on the album, eg. he sings the "till they die" line 4 times instead of 2 on more than one vid I found...

æmoeba•°·.
03-13-2007, 11:18 AM
Tool - Right In Two in Japan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uolWFe1ubcU)

See if that helps you hear the lyrics a bit better. I'd listen to it more intently, but I've got to get going soon. I'll be back to help later on, hopefully. Take care.

-Andrew

jevons
03-13-2007, 02:20 PM
Andrew, thank you. Now please, lets' end this fucking charade and get the fuck on with the fucking business of our lives.

TortusTool
03-13-2007, 10:29 PM
Upon listening to the Live in Japan version I heard

"repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven conscious of his fleeting time here"

***"Cut it all off, right in two."

From what I can hear this next part is different from the album. But very helpful as well!

"Fight 'til they die, over earth, over sky
They fight over line, over blood, over air and light
over love, over some, over none
They fight 'til they die, over words for the writing!"
"

***"Picture love with patience and reason"

æmoeba•°·.
03-14-2007, 11:04 AM
You're welcome.

First: When you write, "Repugnant is a creature...", add a comma between ' heaven, conscious '.

It sounds different, but you'll end up with a sentence that makes more sense: " Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here."
_______________

Second: I'm not sure about any of you, but I catch the lyrics:

Fight 'til they die, over sun, over sky,
and fight 'til they die, over men, over enemy,
fight 'til they die, over blood, over love.
They fight 'til they die, 1.[*over words for the writing.] 2.[over words, over writing.] 3.[over words, over-writing.]

(* = Most practical phrase.)
_______________

I hope that helps, a little. "Picture love with patience, and reason." is correct.

Take care.

-Andrew

benjamin
03-14-2007, 12:40 PM
"Picture love w/ patience, and reason." is correct.

Is not correct.

Have Fun.

benjamin
03-14-2007, 01:10 PM
...live version, shmive shmersion! ***

But, even in Japan; "...lift an eye to heaven..." still sounds like; "...live tonight at heaven..."

...jesus. Say aloud; lift an eye to heaven. There's a pause to enunciate the H-sound for "heaven" ...now listen to the line in the song, there's a T-sound JUST before "heaven" like... lift an eye tat heaven..."

I stand incorrec ...no wait, uncorrect ed

Peace.

æmoeba•°·.
03-14-2007, 03:31 PM
But, even in Japan; "...lift an eye to heaven..." still sounds like; "...live tonight at heaven..."

...jesus. Say aloud; lift an eye to heaven. There's a pause to enunciate the H-sound for "heaven" ...now listen to the line in the song, there's a T-sound JUST before "heaven" like... lift an eye tat heaven..."

I don't know what you hear, what quality your speakers are, or if you didn't turn the video up loud enough, but I can clearly hear, " Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here."

You may hear Danny's symbol in the backround, and that may cover it a little bit, but otherwise, I have no idea how you would have come up with a "tat" sound, instead of "to".

Let me ask you, what other word could it be that actually makes sense in that phrase if it just happened to be different than "to". You wasted your entire time complaining about one word, and having me correct you for it.
____________

Oh, and, " Picture love with patience, and reason." is in the album version of the song as well. You think it's "in", but it's really "with". Listen harder.

Take care.

-Andrew

benjamin
03-14-2007, 10:12 PM
Repugnant is a creature who will squander the ability
To live tonight at heaven concious of his fleeting time here

Cu-ut it all right in two
Gotta divide it all right in two
Cutn' divide it all right in two
Gotta divide it all right in two

they fight or they die
over earth over sky
they fight for their life
over ground over the air
and light over love
over sun over blood
they fight till they die
over words over writing

Angels on the sideline again
Benched along with patience and reason
Angels on the sideline again
Wondering when this tug-of-war will end

Cut my love right in two
Cutn' divide it all right in two
Cut and divide it all right in two
Right in two

I've listened to this album so much that the only explanation would be that I've heard it too much. That is an idea I catigorically reject. I've listened on multiple stereo setups. I've listened at various volume levels. I hear it as I've typed above. What "eye", exactly would one "lift to heaven"? Would this mean A) staring up at the sky. B) contemplating the afterlife in a blissful state that one must aspire to gain entry to. or C) both. Either way, I don't believe that has any more validity than thinking one has the ability to live tonigh at heaven. Even though the come conception would be to say that one can live tonight IN heaven. Maybe it becomes a "statement" to phrase it as at instead of in. Maybe living tonight at heaven means makin sweet love!!! as in; war is the opposite of "SWEET LOVE!!" Yeah, repugnant IS a creature who will squander the ability to make sweet love, aware of the fact that he's gonna die someday...


wtf? correct me for it? ;(

Pleeeace.

Have fun.

Benjamin

(dunno why I felt the need to post my name, when it's the same as ...my name...)

PShepherd11
03-15-2007, 09:03 AM
I don't hear what you hear, Benjamin, but what you're hearing doesn't make any sense to me. I think that it's "Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, concious of his fleeting time here." Heaven, I think, is the way they chose to represent death, not necessarily going to heaven or having anything to do with it. It goes along with the angels and religious tone of the song. As in, one should realize that life is short, make it worth it while you're alive.

Inner_Eulogy
03-15-2007, 09:45 AM
I don't hear what you hear, Benjamin, but what you're hearing doesn't make any sense to me. I think that it's "Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, concious of his fleeting time here." Heaven, I think, is the way they chose to represent death, not necessarily going to heaven or having anything to do with it. It goes along with the angels and religious tone of the song. As in, one should realize that life is short, make it worth it while you're alive.

I agree with this


=-)~ <--Inner's stamp of approval

æmoeba•°·.
03-15-2007, 10:50 AM
The reason Benjamin, I think, is getting confused at the part, "Lift an eye.." is because Maynard extends "lift". It's "Liffft an eye...", and that's what you may not be considering, is the fact he does those things ALL OF THE TIME.

benjamin
03-15-2007, 03:30 PM
Is english your native tongue? Do you not hear the discprepencies between when you sing it and the way it sounds on the album? Lift an eye da heaven. Is perfectly easy and clear to pronounciate. On the album, however, there's an extra T or D-sound in there like; lift anD eye da heaven, or lift an deyed at heaven...

That is all.

PShepherd11
03-15-2007, 03:43 PM
Is english your native tongue?

To whom is this addressed?

If you're talking to me, yeah, it is. No, I don't hear what you hear. I wasn't trying to be rude, I just don't agree.

æmoeba•°·.
03-15-2007, 03:56 PM
Is english your native tongue? Do you not hear the discprepencies between when you sing it and the way it sounds on the album? Lift an eye da heaven. Is perfectly easy and clear to pronounciate. On the album, however, there's an extra T or D-sound in there like; lift anD eye da heaven, or lift an deyed at heaven...

That is all.

Ah, now I understand what you're confused about. On the album, he says the word "to" directly after the word "eye", making it sound like, " to live tonight ". The way Maynard sings it is, "to liffft an eyee tuh heaven", or "to lift an eye to heaven." Listen to it that way, and you'll see why you're misunderstanding the lyrics. This is the best I could do trying to explain it.

Take care.

-Andrew

benjamin
03-15-2007, 11:50 PM
I'm not "confused" about anything. I'm not asking you like you're the TOOLclopedia. It's either my ears playing tricks on me or your ears not hearing "quickly" enough. I'll say/ask again, sing the words; lift an eye tuh heaven. Does it sound like you said tonight at all. Not to me, when I do it. On the album there's an extra D/T-sound. That's all there is to explain. You hear it or not. I appreciate your concern.

Have Fun

P.S. So, to lift an eye to heaven is "the way they chose to represent death"?? wtf, how would lifting an eye to heaven represent death? How would that be "realizing life is short, and make it worth your while."?

Peace.

ZzsdkzZ
03-16-2007, 03:42 AM
I'm not going to go through 21 pages.. but I can't believe no one hears "Cutting thy love, right in two"... Am I really alone in that? It fits the biblical theme of the entire song. Thou and Thy are two of the most used words when talking in this context.. I saw a "Thine" in here, but no "Thy"

"Cutting thy love". Money's on it.

PShepherd11
03-16-2007, 05:01 AM
As in some people believe in heaven and some people believe that's a place to go when you die. I said that heaven was representing death, not lifting an eye to it. "Concious of his fleeting time here" does mean, in other words, "aware that life passes quickly." How can this not make sense?

benjamin
03-16-2007, 07:16 PM
As in some people believe in heaven and some people believe that's a place to go when you die. I said that heaven was representing death, not lifting an eye to it. "Concious of his fleeting time here" does mean, in other words, "aware that life passes quickly." How can this not make sense?


What does not make sense to me is how the line is put together, if the implied message was only to fathum lifes short existance.

I feel the line is meant to imply that every human can/should be able to realize the peacefull existance that's possible here. Not about death or even heaven at all. "Concious of his fleeting time..." is just an obvious observation.

Again, I have no problem understanding all interpretations of the song. Just a hearing problem, I guess.

Peace.

æmoeba•°·.
03-16-2007, 07:33 PM
Moving back to the 'What's He Saying?' portion of the thread:

I listened to the TOOL - Right In Two in Japan video, along with the album, again earlier today. I feel pretty certain he's saying:

"Cut my love right in two."

I think it sounds as if he goes, "Cuuut my loove right in two." I'm pretty sure he says 'my' directly after the the 't' in "cut", making sound a little like the letter 'n'. As for the "love" lyric, it sounds like he decresendo's after the 'o' a bit and sings the 've' in "love". If you grasped that concept, you'd agree with me, or you did from the beginning. If you don't agree, good luck searching somemore.

Take care.

-Andrew

benjamin
03-16-2007, 08:05 PM
Moving back to the 'What's He Saying?' portion of the thread:

I listened to the TOOL - Right In Two in Japan video, along with the album, again earlier today. I feel pretty certain he's saying:

"Cut my love right in two."

I think it sounds as if he goes, "Cuuut my loove right in two." I'm pretty sure he says 'my' directly after the the 't' in "cut", making sound a little like the letter 'n'. As for the "love" lyric, it sounds like he decresendo's after the 'o' a bit and sings the 've' in "love". If you grasped that concept, you'd agree with me, or you did from the beginning. If you don't agree, good luck searching somemore.

Take care.

-Andrew

This live version I did hear the "love". It makes me think that it sounds like "law" though, also. This does sound particularly good too when sung aloud to ones self (love, that is). My problem with the thought of love/law is the lyricist. The whole song he speaks from a non-biased observer standpoint. A) this would be, I think, the first time in the song that Maynard speaks from "gods" perspective. B) Nard would actually be speaking from "gods" perspective. C) The thought of "his love" would be a huge implied metaphore that is never mentioned in this context. D) This song is specifically about petty squabbles over land, and indeed stating that all disputes over land are petty in comparison of reality, not about love, law, or even religion.

But I have to add one small point. Within myself I feel that some, to half, of the lyrics on this album were authored by Judith herself. Strange, I have no basis other than extreme dissection of the content of the words. I feel, at points, the lyrics are down right elementary. Not in an artistic, simplistic, exquisite way that maynard can sometimes do, just down right amateurish. Like it was all he could do to just make it flow.

Like the line in Jambi
"Wish this all a waaaayy"
When this line rolls by I can't help but think, "He's the only singer around that could pull that off and still be a badass mo-fo.

Right in Two, to me, sounds like it was written, in large part, by Judith.
along with Jambi and 10,000 Days (Wings Pt. 2)

Peace.

æmoeba•°·.
03-16-2007, 08:26 PM
Alright, well, what if what you say is true, and Maynard is speaking from "God's" perspective. It would make sense if he did sing, "Cut my love right in two," because, throughout the song he's listing dispute and struggle around the world, and in the chorus, "Cut my love right in two," he's demanding, (or to say lightly, "suggesting"), for everyone to divide his love around, or "God's" love, or Maynard's perspective within "God's" love. Ponder on that.

He could also be instructing to pick one or the other, (Still on the "God's Perspective", or observation from a " Take one step backward " metaphorical concept).

-Andrew

PShepherd11
03-17-2007, 06:40 AM
You know, that's what I thought he was saying at first, Cutting my love right in two." But then after hearing it a bunch of times, I started hearing, "Cutting my law right in two" and not even every time that line is said. It's not bothering me as much as it used to, but I wish the official lyrics would come out already!

æmoeba•°·.
03-17-2007, 06:54 AM
I really don't think it's "Cutting" though, but again, I'm in no position to say beacause both of us could be right at the moment. They're playing this for the 2007 tour now, and I would think, after Danny heals, they're still going to be adding it to the set list, so the best thing to do is wait for HungtonSt, or us, to capture some concerts and study them well enough.

The reason it's so hard to hear is because he's using a sweeping-delay effect, and it's adding on to the words after so it overlaps like this, (using my idea):

"1...Cut my love right in two..."
"delay.Cut my love right in two..."

That's how it sounds, and it's too confusing because Maynard is decresendo'ing at certain parts, and this lets the delay fill the lyrics a bit, scrambling up what's noticeable to our ears.

(Watch me be completely wrong)

Anyway, take care.

-Andrew

PShepherd11
03-18-2007, 05:55 AM
That's an interesting idea. It could explain why it sounds so weird. But it's "love" that I'm not hearing anymore. Sometimes I hear "law" or "it all" in its place.

æmoeba•°·.
03-18-2007, 12:50 PM
Well, that's why I kept "Law" open to ponder on as well. I have, and still do have an urge to sing "Law" along with Maynard, but you remember, the delay come straight after, so it sounds like and "aw" sound, but then balances out. It's almost like:

"..Lloove.."
"....Lloove.."

Holding the "L" in 'love' overlaps the delayed word, but you then hear Maynard decresendo, and the delay decresendo's late, overlapping the "ve", thus making it hard to hear because of him lowering the volume of his voice. I'm sorry if that's confusing, but there is delay, or actually more of a combination of post delay reverb effect filling in, because you can clearly hear throughout the live version, and one the recorded version.

Take care.

-Andrew

P.S.- As an example, picture maynard doing this, so you better understand how he sings it:

"..Cuuut my lloove.."
"......uuuut....yyy...oo......"

You wouldn't hear the delayed "ve" because it's too quiet. The reason the first letters aren't there is because of the way the delay comes in. It sweeps, so it automatically swells to whatever lever of intensity it is set at.

(Again though, I'm probably overanalyzing, but it's always a possibility.)

Inner_Eulogy
03-19-2007, 09:23 AM
Moving back to the 'What's He Saying?' portion of the thread:

I listened to the TOOL - Right In Two in Japan video, along with the album, again earlier today. I feel pretty certain he's saying:

"Cut my love right in two."

I think it sounds as if he goes, "Cuuut my loove right in two." I'm pretty sure he says 'my' directly after the the 't' in "cut", making sound a little like the letter 'n'. As for the "love" lyric, it sounds like he decresendo's after the 'o' a bit and sings the 've' in "love". If you grasped that concept, you'd agree with me, or you did from the beginning. If you don't agree, good luck searching somemore.

Take care.

-Andrew

I've been saying this since day one

tryptosaur
03-19-2007, 09:52 AM
This weekend I was listening to the son and came to the conclusion that the line in question is or at least SOUNDS more like "Cutting our idol right in two" than anything else and the grammar isn't a fabrication (for the most part).

I was going to fix my typo where I meant to write "song" and instead typed "son".
It actually makes sense, though.

To elaborate on the IDOL-thing... Even though it definitely sounds that way, does it actually make sense?

I believe it does, even though it sort of brings an extra dimension to the meaning.

I'm quite convinced that I've decifered the line.

Intertwined
03-19-2007, 10:39 AM
I don't think we can be too sure of what he says until the official lyrics are posted, it's a good guess though, I'm sticking with cutting our love right in two or cut my love right in two, just seems most sensical in my opinion.

tryptosaur
03-19-2007, 12:02 PM
The reason I lean towards "our idol" is that you don't have to picture MJK altering the pronunciation of anything.

Who knew this song was really about Clay Aiken? :0~(fat Japanese guy with his mouth wide open and laughing---wearing a goatee that has an elegant wave to it) In blackface

tryptosaur
03-19-2007, 12:26 PM
laying on his right side
(:O~3 and a set of tits and only half of him is there. Could have been a Buddha statue---or IDOL! Now DO YOU SEE?
There are so many ways to prove my exegesis. Exe-WHAT?
JESUS! Now do you see?
Exactly my point. Take a Buddha, take a Jesus-statue, statuette, whatever you can find. Now cut it in half and either way what you've got is essentially the same thing---half an IDOL. Physics does not discriminate.
Now here's the weird part: You know when you cut a worm in half, you create an extra worm in the process? Cutting an idol in two pieces is the same thing.
If cut along the abdomen, both the top and the bottom half of the object retain their RIGHT sides. Hence "Right in Two".
And, of course the word "Righteousness" has for its root the word "Right". That's right!
Just imagine the wars that would be fought over who had the right half. Is the top somehow right and the bottom wrong?
Silly monkeys.

RedMetalSox
03-19-2007, 03:41 PM
"kye lie all" is all i ever hear.

not that it means anything

sicbanana
03-27-2007, 03:32 AM
ehm,

"cutting LIGHT right in two"?

anybody?
(dunno if it was mentioned before, so plz forgive my laziness :) )

Scampkidwell
03-27-2007, 03:05 PM
It seems to me that the first lyrics in the song are .....

Angels on the sideline
Puzzled unamused.....

Not 'and amused', but 'unamused'. It seems to fit with what these angels do the rest of the song. like being baffled, puzzled, confused... why amused also... seems unamused is the thing they would be....

first post... so leave me alone!!!

æmoeba•°·.
03-27-2007, 08:39 PM
ehm,

"cutting LIGHT right in two"?

anybody?
(dunno if it was mentioned before, so plz forgive my laziness :) )

I'm now about 80% certian he's saying "Cut my love right in two". I figure out the way he's saying it. There is no delay on the album as I had suggested, (just live). He sings it very abrupt, that's why it's hard to hear. He moves from the 't' in "cut" to "my" rather abruptly. He fades the 'y', from "my", into "love". He fades the 'o', in "love", out, (while singing 've' at piano volume after fade), pauses, and returns with "right in two". This is what I hear, and it's very logical.

You guys may also be listening to it a bit loud as well. I can hear it much better when you turn it down because the lyrics, then, stand out over the guitar/bass/precussion.

-Andrew

bassmaster
03-29-2007, 03:29 PM
It seems to me that the first lyrics in the song are .....

Angels on the sideline
Puzzled unamused.....

Not 'and amused', but 'unamused'. It seems to fit with what these angels do the rest of the song. like being baffled, puzzled, confused... why amused also... seems unamused is the thing they would be....

first post... so leave me alone!!!

I think it's "puzzled and amused", for the perspective of the angels would be to look at the monkeys with their small errors much in the way adults look at children and their small mistakes - with loveable amusement coupled with a little puzzlement as to how they reached such an odd conclusion.

Then they're "baffled and confused" because not only are the monkeys misguided, they're also killing each other and they can't figure out why. That's how I see it anyway.

FriendlyAlien
03-30-2007, 02:17 PM
Cut 'em (it?) like a log, right in two......

no question about it!!!!!

Esurient4Truth
03-30-2007, 02:28 PM
cut it right in all right in two

omg I hate arguing this - it fits - if you have ipod, download the song from the CD in highest mp3 quality, and use the treble booster equalizer setting

you can clearly fucking hear it.

o m g

jevons
04-01-2007, 09:41 AM
Try and say these words without laughing: noodle, cookies, naan.

jevons +1

Esurient4Truth
04-09-2007, 08:48 AM
Try and say these words without laughing: noodle, cookies, naan.

jevons +1

I laughed. Damn.

wickedwatson
04-09-2007, 10:31 AM
Cut (and divide ??) it all right in two... Ok, here's the updated lyrics of what we've all contribued: (4/19 at 4:45 pm EST)

Things in [...] are disputed and could be what the lyrics are.

TOOL – Right in Two
10,000 Days

Angels on the sideline,
Puzzled and amused.
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they’re all confused.”

Don’t these talking monkeys know that Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys
Where there's one you're bound to divide it
Right in Two

Angels on the sideline,
Baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason,
And this is what they choose?

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs they forge a blade
And where there's one they're bound to divide it
Right in two.
Right in two.

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club,
And beat their brother down.
How they survive so misguided is a mystery.
Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability,
To live tonight in heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here.

Cut it all right in two [Guide on right in two or Glide on right in two]
Cut it all right in two
Cut it all right in two
Cut it all right in two

Fight all the time,
Over the blade, over sky
Fight over, lie over, blew over,
?????? of a winner ????????
Fight for me, die for me, live for our lies.

Angels on the sideline again,
Been so long [Been too long or Bent along] with patience and reason.
Angels on the sideline again,
Wondering where this tug of war will end.

Cut it all right in two. [Guide on right in two or Glide on right in two]
Cut it all right in two.
Cut it all right in two.
Right in two.

wickedwatson
04-09-2007, 10:32 AM
Indeed.
It seems to me that the first lyrics in the song are .....

Angels on the sideline
Puzzled unamused.....

Not 'and amused', but 'unamused'. It seems to fit with what these angels do the rest of the song. like being baffled, puzzled, confused... why amused also... seems unamused is the thing they would be....

first post... so leave me alone!!!

Cheesegreater
04-09-2007, 02:43 PM
"Lift an eye" not "Live tonight in"

Arkham Asylum
04-09-2007, 03:34 PM
To me it sounds like Maynard is singing in a way to make it sound like he is weeping, thus causing the "slurring" we all hear during the chorus.

It's a passionate call for help, one last chance at waking humanity. Hope that helps, doubt it will though.

Rubb.
04-09-2007, 09:20 PM
edit: nvm.

ColdLogic
04-10-2007, 06:29 AM
"Guide my love right in too / in two / into (you) ."

My love could be his love, or his Love (as in a person).

I used to hate this song. It took me almost a year to be able to appreciate it. Now I see what everyone was talking about when they said it was one of the best on the record.

benjamin
04-10-2007, 08:17 PM
Every time I listen to this chorus...

*shakes head confoundedly*

...I don't know, I curse Maynard for this one. ;) It defines awsome. That non-slang type of awsome. The one that should be used on rare occasion, like for this song.

*slinks away having said nothing* :(




Peace.

EternalEnergi
04-12-2007, 08:04 AM
"...to lift an eye to heaven..." sounds more like it to me

Cheesegreater
04-12-2007, 11:29 PM
Cause that's what it is.

Caduceus11
04-18-2007, 04:49 PM
This is the song I'd really like to see the officials on....I've been away from this board for a long time and still this one hasn't come out...but I feel really strongly about the "Live tonight/lift an eye" line...(the chorus, I'm still not sure of)
I really must say that its "Lift an eye to heaven, conscious...."
I really can't believe we are still talking about this....

benjamin
04-20-2007, 08:35 PM
Confide all right in two?*

Confine all right in two?

Consign all right in two?

*I think this might be it...

That, or cutndivideitall...

wtf?

Caduceus11
04-21-2007, 10:45 AM
...the world may never know

superhobojoe
04-21-2007, 01:13 PM
Fight over the clouds, over wind, over sky
Fight over your lie, over blood, over anything
Fight over love, over sun, over nothing
Fight till they die,
(Ahhh!) over what? for their ending

After listening to live versions of this song I'm pretty damn sure that the last word in this verse is "rising", not ending like the lyrics say. I also think he might start the song with "Fight 'til they die" instead of "Fight over clouds". But I'm not positive on that one. I am however on that last line. It's rising.

bassmaster
04-25-2007, 05:19 AM
Hahaha.


I reckon Maynard deliberately slurred all the words and obfuscated the meaning slightly so we'd all be thinking so hard about it, and just maybe take on board the message.

subatomicman
05-01-2007, 06:57 PM
[Cutting it all right in two
/ Cut it all right in two]
/ Cutting our love right in two]

I think he is singing:
Got to divide it all right in two (x4)

I don't hear "our love" at all.

Thanks,
Will

ASnakeForEveryEden
05-09-2007, 06:49 PM
To live tonight in heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here.

Fight for me, die for me, live for our lies.


i'm having trouble buying these two lines. u don't "live" in heaven, so i doubt maynard would use that; not that i presume to know what the hell maynard's thinking. and why would he change from a third-person perspective into a first-person perspective on the "fight for me" line? that doesn't make sense. did he suddenly change into the devil's point of view? i doubt that.

Icculus
05-09-2007, 11:06 PM
Definately GOTTA DIVIDE IT ALL RIGHT IN TWO, but I think "cut it all" might be over the top of it on the album version.

jevons
05-10-2007, 02:05 PM
cutting it all right in two.
cut, (delay?, ''cut'') it all right in two.
Cut, cut it all right in two
A riiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeet in twooooooooooo who oooooooooooooooooh.


for the last fucking time.

ASnakeForEveryEden
05-10-2007, 06:33 PM
cu-UT it all right in two.

jevons
05-11-2007, 05:55 AM
sometimes i agree with the love bit, sometimes i don't.


www.pointlessthings.com

Buddie
05-21-2007, 08:35 AM
Cutting Our love right in two.

It is easiest for me to hear this during the last repition of the chorus...although I'd admit it does sound different here then in other spots.

ProdigyDub
05-26-2007, 09:14 PM
I downloaded a recording of this show live at OKC from 5-19 and you can CLEARLY hear Maynard's vocals during the part toward the end. It's:

"Fight til they die, over sun, over sky,
They fight til they die over air, over ground,
And fight til they die over blood, over love
They fight til they die over words, over [lies they....]"

The only part that is even remotely hard to hear is that last part in brackets, due to that weird sound effect that hits just before that. It may be "lies they..." or it may be "rising..." or it may be "horizon...". One of the three. Everything else I am 110% absolutely positive--it's quite clear on this recording.

vinegar_tom
06-07-2007, 01:15 PM
I downloaded a recording of this show live at OKC from 5-19 and you can CLEARLY hear Maynard's vocals during the part toward the end. It's:

"Fight til they die, over sun, over sky,
They fight til they die over air, over ground,
And fight til they die over blood, over love
They fight til they die over words, over [lies they....]"

The only part that is even remotely hard to hear is that last part in brackets, due to that weird sound effect that hits just before that. It may be "lies they..." or it may be "rising..." or it may be "horizon...". One of the three. Everything else I am 110% absolutely positive--it's quite clear on this recording.

that last bit sounds like "over writing" to me. I'm listening to the same show.

vinegar_tom
06-10-2007, 05:22 PM
The last is quite clearly "over writing."

endless_nameless
06-11-2007, 06:19 PM
He might say "cutting it light, or right in two", as in make a shallow, temporary cut or a deep permanent separation.

Seriously, I've listened to it a couple more times, and I'm pretty sure this is what he's saying. The angels on the sidelines are asking the question "are the humans too far gone to dig themselves out of this hole they've dug?" Is this constant fighting and dividing going to split the race right in two (between those who have "learned to swim" and those who have not)? The humans, who have free will, use it to forge a blade and cut themselves.

So,
are they cutting it (themselves, the whole race) light, or right in two?

And with the last line Maynard answers the question: Right In Two

ProdigyDub
06-12-2007, 10:51 PM
The last is quite clearly "over writing."

Nice. I hear it now that you mention it. Very good.

Before I Pine Away
06-13-2007, 02:21 PM
Cutting a line, right in 2?

bassmaster
06-16-2007, 04:13 AM
The only thing about the live gigs is he changes the lyrics. I've listened to two different recordings on youtube and they're noticeably different to the album, even though the words aren't all that clear to begin with on the album.

TomAce
06-24-2007, 12:51 PM
After listening to several different live versions:

Fight, till they die, over sun, over sky,
Fight, till they die, over air, over ground,
they fight, till they die, over blood, over love,
they fight, till they die, over words or (of) their rising.

The last part (words of their rising) is the only part I'm not 100% on.

Thanks.

TortusTool
06-25-2007, 01:00 PM
My two cents...

Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven conscious of his fleeting time here.

***

(quietly behind the guitar he mutters "over" about 7 times before it starts)

Fight for their clan, over earth, over sky.
They fight over life, over blood, over air and light,
over love, over some, over none.
They fight or they die, over words.
Over writing!

Mass
06-27-2007, 12:18 AM
I listened to a live version on youtube and this is what I got.


They fight til they die,
Over sun, over sky.
They fight til they die,
Over land, over air.
They fight til they die,
Over blood, over love.
They fight til they die,
Over words, over writing.


The album sounds like:

They fight til they die,
over earth, over sky.
They fight over life, over ground, over air and light,
over love, over sun, over nothing.
They fight til they die? For what? For their rising.



Two entirely different things. They sound completely different.

dirkz
07-05-2007, 04:48 PM
I listened to a live version on youtube and this is what I got.


They fight til they die,
Over sun, over sky.
They fight til they die,
Over land, over air.
They fight til they die,
Over blood, over love.
They fight til they die,
Over words, over writing.


The album sounds like:

They fight til they die,
over earth, over sky.
They fight over life, over ground, over air and light,
over love, over sun, over nothing.
They fight til they die? For what? For their rising.



Two entirely different things. They sound completely different.

Yea, Maynard messes with the lyrics live, I wouldn't go by those when trying to decipher the real lyrics.

As for the [Cut it all, cutting it all, cutting our love] part, none of that sounds right when I listen to the song. I hear an "L" sound where the "T" would be in [cut/cutting]. Except that doesn't make sense in the lyrics.....

Damn.

iswingonthespiral
07-06-2007, 05:47 AM
I really think that he sings:

Fight over cloud, over earth, over sky,
Fight over life, over blood, over air and light,
Fight over love, over sun, over nothing,
Fight til they die, over what, over lies and greed.

This song is 1 of the best on the album and is mindblowing live.

PShepherd11
07-06-2007, 08:54 PM
Unfortunately, I didn't get to hear it live.

ahhnevermind
07-07-2007, 07:47 PM
Collide all right in two?

not sure what that would mean, but it's all i hear now since I thought it.

bassmaster
07-17-2007, 07:11 AM
I just sing some words that fit with a dash of mild gibberish evertime I hear the song.
It works.

ahhnevermind
07-19-2007, 07:07 AM
"Apparently, God has given us reason, but at the same time, divine images really have no clue either, considering how baffled and confused the angels are. How can we be given coherent reason by something that is just as irrational as we are? you could argue this song kind of points out the flaws in the idea of intelligent creation, saying that if God did indeed make the Earth and model ourselves after him, he is just as confused and clueless as humans are. And honestly, how religion has survived so misguided is a mystery to me. Is this the intended meaning or submeaning of the song? Maybe. Maybe not.

Refute as you will."

The angels described are not baffled and confused in the sense you mean it. You seem to imply they are confused in some 'general' way. But, quite rationally, they are merely confused by us humans, because our ways are so insane and incomprehensible. How and why do we live like this? This is what the angels cannot work out. But the entire point of this song is conveyed precisely because the angels are able to see this madness for what is is. They are the rational voice of the song.



well said

toolrox19
07-21-2007, 07:59 PM
angels on the sideline again picture love with patience and reason'

'crying about it all right in two'

the crying part makes sense cuz of the angles being sad, or somthing like that

toolrox19
07-21-2007, 08:02 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uolWFe1ubcU 8:20 'picture love with patience and reason'

toolrox19
07-21-2007, 08:03 PM
another thought, 'trying to hide it all right into'

nocatharsis
07-22-2007, 06:22 PM
i used to love this song getting the gist of it but now when i listen to how indistinct some parts are it's just so frustrating! i think the last part of the "fight over" sequence on the album anyway, is "for horizon" though. "over writing" makes more sense going with the "fight over words" part but it definitely sounds different on the album one...

nocatharsis
07-22-2007, 06:23 PM
ps, does anyone else see the irony in this though as we are fighting over words now!

hushypushy
07-27-2007, 08:10 PM
Ok, that line near the end definitely has to be "pendulum of patience and reason". Gotta swing back and forth between those, maybe?

littlejason
07-28-2007, 01:36 AM
Ok, that line near the end definitely has to be "pendulum of patience and reason". Gotta swing back and forth between those, maybe?

Glad to see SOMEbody else hears what i hear

toolrox19
07-28-2007, 06:58 AM
kinda divide it all right in two, but the kinda divide is slurred together

hobbitcore
08-01-2007, 05:40 PM
Could it be:

"Cut it all, it all right in two?"

Sounds like he signs "it all" twice.

to me it sounds like it's layered...first layer is "cutting it all..." and then on the "all" the other layer comes in as "cut it all right in two"

so i interpreted as two different voices...one is the sad, disheartened voice of the angels commenting on how the humans are "cutting it all right in two"...the other is the voice of humanity--a sadistic, aggressive voice that is ordering the masses to "CUT IT ALL RIGHT IN TWO"

thoughts?

nocatharsis
08-01-2007, 09:23 PM
okay, so I was listening to this on my iPod and put the EQ setting on Vocal Booster, and this is what I heard as far as the "Fight over" part (album version)...

"Funny how they die
over herd
over sky they
Fight over life
over blood
over enemyline (or an-y light/any lie?)
over love
over sun
over blood they
fight for they die
over one (as in "where there's ONE they're bound to divide it)
for their rising"

i used to think it was "horizon" for the last word but it definitely sounds like "ising" to me. it SOUNDS like he says blood twice, maybe for emphasis, but then again that's just what i HEAR and isn't necessarily SO, and that applies to the whole thing i guess.

Aunt Acid
08-01-2007, 09:55 PM
Has anyone come to the conclusion that maybe Maynard isn't saying anything? Maybe he's making sounds with his throat and mouth and is just expressing pure emotion, beyond words?

Notch
08-02-2007, 02:32 PM
What I hear at the end...

Angels on the sideline again.
Blessed them all with patience and reason.
Angels on the sideline again.
Wondering when this tragic world will end.

Comments welcome.

hobbitcore
08-02-2007, 06:07 PM
Has anyone come to the conclusion that maybe Maynard isn't saying anything? Maybe he's making sounds with his throat and mouth and is just expressing pure emotion, beyond words?

if you think about it none of us are saying anything...we're just making sounds with our throat to express emotions or thoughts...if you came from another planet it would be nonsense...in fact there are many languages and most people don't speak most of them so those languages are nonsense to them...and so on...

dirkz
08-02-2007, 07:13 PM
if you think about it none of us are saying anything...we're just making sounds with our throat to express emotions or thoughts...if you came from another planet it would be nonsense...in fact there are many languages and most people don't speak most of them so those languages are nonsense to them...and so on...

stfu and talk about right in two.

To Aunt Acid - I personally can't accept that Maynard would kick our ass like that and not actually say anything.

toolrox19
08-04-2007, 10:13 AM
he probably mumbles and then says right in two just so he can read thin ang laugh

dirkz
08-04-2007, 01:10 PM
he probably mumbles and then says right in two just so he can read thin ang laugh

God, I would be so pissed if that was true.

PShepherd11
08-04-2007, 09:27 PM
What I hear at the end...

Angels on the sideline again.
Blessed them all with patience and reason.
Angels on the sideline again.
Wondering when this tragic world will end.

Comments welcome.

It sounds good, but I definitely don't hear "blessed them all" or "tragic world." Good thought though.

magiclessmarker
08-08-2007, 01:41 PM
My final draft of Right in Two!

Right in Two (Studio Version)
Words/Vocals: Maynard James Keenan
Music: Tool

Angels on the sideline, puzzled and amused.
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they’re all confused.

Don’t these talking monkeys know that Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys,
Where there's one, you're bound to divide it right in two.

Angels on the sideline, baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason,
And this is what they choose?

Monkey killing monkey, killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys, give them thumbs, they forge a blade.
And where there's one, they're bound to divide it right in two.

Monkey killing monkey, killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys, give them thumbs,
They make a club, and beat their brother down.
How they survive so misguided is a mystery.
Repugnant is a creature who will squander the ability
To lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here.

Cutting our love right in two.

Fight till they die,
Over earth, over sky.
They fight on the line,
Over ground, over air and life,
Over love, over sun, over blood,
They fight till they die. Over what? For the rising!

Angels on the sideline again,
Picture love with patience and reason.
Angels on the sideline again,
Wondering when this tug of war will end.

Cutting our love right in two.

æmoeba•°·.
08-09-2007, 03:36 PM
It's either "Cuuut my love right in two", or "Cutting my love right in two". I've listened to the track long enough to know not to over analyze anymore than that because it's now too obvious. The "my" is obvious enough as it is.

Take care.

-Andrew

Cheesegreater
08-09-2007, 04:03 PM
My final draft of Right in Two!

Right in Two (Studio Version)
Words/Vocals: Maynard James Keenan
Music: Tool

Angels on the sideline, puzzled and amused.
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they’re all confused.

Don’t these talking monkeys know that Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys,
Where there's one, you're bound to divide it right in two.

Angels on the sideline, baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason,
And this is what they choose?

Monkey killing monkey, killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys, give them thumbs, they forge a blade.
And where there's one, they're bound to divide it right in two.

Monkey killing monkey, killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys, give them thumbs,
They make a club, and beat their brother down.
How they survive so misguided is a mystery.
Repugnant is a creature who will squander the ability
To lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here.

Cutting our love right in two.

Fight till they die,
Over earth, over sky.
They fight on the line,
Over ground, over air and life,
Over love, over sun, over blood,
They fight till they die. Over what? For the rising!

Angels on the sideline again,
Picture love with patience and reason.
Angels on the sideline again,
Wondering when this tug of war will end.

Cutting our love right in two.

You made my fucking day. I've been screaming that it's "Picture love with patience and reason." for such a long time. It's good to know that others are finally hearing it.

Cheesegreater
08-09-2007, 04:19 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uolWFe1ubcU 8:20 'picture love with patience and reason'

THIS IS SOLID FUCKING PROOF!! Listen to this version, and you'll see beyond the shadow of a doubt that this is what the line is. To think five months ago I was telling everyone this was the line, and they all responded like "You're so stupid! It's 'benched along'!"

dirkz
08-09-2007, 05:40 PM
and they all responded like "You're so stupid! It's 'benched along'!"

lol, I've said that.

Except I doubt I called you stupid, you're pretty cool to me.

toolrox19
08-09-2007, 08:45 PM
THIS IS SOLID FUCKING PROOF!! Listen to this version, and you'll see beyond the shadow of a doubt that this is what the line is. To think five months ago I was telling everyone this was the line, and they all responded like "You're so stupid! It's 'benched along'!"



yea i got u

toolrox19
08-09-2007, 08:47 PM
and at the beggining it is gotta divide it all right in two then at the end crying about it all right in two(makes no sense but works 4 me

Blackdakhma
08-11-2007, 12:03 AM
Hahaha.


I reckon Maynard deliberately slurred all the words and obfuscated the meaning slightly so we'd all be thinking so hard about it, and just maybe take on board the message.

I think he did it because he couldn't remember the lyrics in the studio and he can just make shit up at the concerts! haha. No, I love you Maynard.

ivasativa
08-11-2007, 01:45 PM
Ok, here's the updated lyrics of what we've all contribued: (4/19 at 4:45 pm EST)

Things in [...] are disputed and could be what the lyrics are.

TOOL – Right in Two
10,000 Days

Angels on the sideline,
Puzzled and amused.
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they’re all confused.”

Don’t these talking monkeys know that Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys
Where there's one you're bound to divide it
Right in Two

Angels on the sideline,
Baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason,
And this is what they choose?

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs they forge a blade
And where there's one they're bound to divide it
Right in two.
Right in two.

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club,
And beat their brother down.
How they survive so misguided is a mystery.
Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability,
To live tonight in heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here.

Cut it all right in two [Guide on right in two or Glide on right in two]
Cut it all right in two
Cut it all right in two
Cut it all right in two

Fight all the time,
Over the blade, over sky
Fight over, lie over, blew over,
?????? of a winner ????????
Fight for me, die for me, live for our lies.

Angels on the sideline again,
Been so long [Been too long or Bent along] with patience and reason.
Angels on the sideline again,
Wondering where this tug of war will end.

Cut it all right in two. [Guide on right in two or Glide on right in two]
Cut it all right in two.
Cut it all right in two.
Right in two.

I have been hearing for the longest time: Cut a line in all right in two.

toolrox19
08-11-2007, 03:56 PM
ok hear me out the first time he sings the right in two parts b 4 drum bridge is diffrent then the end when he sings it think about it and listen

ikahari
08-13-2007, 09:12 PM
Angels on the sideline,
Puzzled and amused.
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they're all confused.

Don't these talking monkeys know that
Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys,
where there's one you're bound to divide it

Right in two

Angels on the sideline,
Baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason.
And this is what they choose.
(and this is what they choose)
Monkey killing monkey killing monkey
Over pieces of the ground.

Silly monkeys give them thumbs,
They forge a blade,
And where there's one they're
bound to divide it,

Right in two.
Right in two.

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey
Over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs, they make a club
And beat their brother down.

How they survive so misguided is a mystery.
Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability
to lift an eye to heaven conscious of his fleeting time here.

cut it, divide it all right in two


They fight, till they die
Over earth, over sky
They fight
Over lies, over blood, over air
And light, over love, over son
Over blood
They fight, till they die, over what? for our lies!

Angels on the sideline again
Benched along with patience and reason
Angels on the sideline again
Wondering when this tug of war will end

cut it, divide it all right in two
Right in two

Right in two...


how this?? btw im new to these forums been to the site millions of times just never joined lol

ikahari
08-13-2007, 09:28 PM
and listen CLOSELY im pretty sure it damn near dead on

Cheesegreater
08-14-2007, 03:42 PM
and listen CLOSELY im pretty sure it damn near dead on

I think you've got it for the most part. Seriously though, the last chorus he "Picture love with patience and reason."

If you need proof, download the Right in Two video for the Japan show and skip to 8:20 in the song, and you'll see what the lyrics clearly are. It's just not "Benched along" sorry. I've just been trying to communicate this for a real long time.

Cheesegreater
08-14-2007, 03:43 PM
and listen CLOSELY im pretty sure it damn near dead on

I think you've got it for the most part. Seriously though, the last chorus he "Picture love with patience and reason."

If you need proof, download the Right in Two video for the Japan show and skip to 8:20 in the song, and you'll see what the lyrics clearly are. It's just not "Benched along" sorry. I've just been trying to communicate this for a real long time. Other than that it's perfect.

dirkz
08-14-2007, 05:42 PM
Unless Maynard changed the lyrics for that concert, therefore driving Cheesegreater insane.

ikahari
08-22-2007, 03:10 PM
no i think it is" Benched along with patience and reason" because i think hes meaning that that patience reason and the angels have been put on the side while we fight over everything why would he say picture love with patience and reason? this song is pretty straight foward

Cheesegreater
08-22-2007, 03:53 PM
Has anybody on gods green earth ever been told to picture something in your head?

It's as if everyone here has forgotten this expression.

toolrox19
08-24-2007, 08:58 PM
^^ so right why dont you all get it it's 'picture love with patience and reason' like angles think our love has niether and they r picturing it in their minds

miketh74
08-24-2007, 11:05 PM
^^ so right why dont you all get it it's 'picture love with patience and reason' like angles think our love has niether and they r picturing it in their minds

Makes perfect sense to the song and that's what I heard listening. I can picture it in my mind.

;p

toolrox19
08-25-2007, 08:01 AM
good, getting more ppl to show everyone else the way, it doesnt matter that much but still you all gotta get it right benched doesnt make sense

dirkz
08-25-2007, 01:18 PM
It makes sense, even if he doesn't say it.

toolrox19
08-25-2007, 07:33 PM
haha yea

Brokenstring13
08-26-2007, 08:32 PM
Angels on the sideline,
Puzzled and amused.
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they're all confused...

Don't these talking monkeys know that
Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys,
where there's one you're bound to divide it...

Right in two...

Angels on the sideline,
Baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason.
And this is what they choose...
(and this is what they choose)

Monkey, killing monkey, killing monkey
Over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs,
They forge a blade,
And where there's one they're bound to divide it...

Right in two...
Right in two...

Monkey, killing monkey, killing monkey
Over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs, they make a club
And beat their brother down.

How they survive so misguided is a mystery.
Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability
to lift an eye to heaven conscious of his fleeting time here.

Cutting it all right in two.
Cutting our love right in two.
Cutting it all right in two.
Cutting our love right in two...


They fight, 'till they die
Over earth, over sky
They fight over love
Over blood, over air and light.
Over love, over sun, over blood
They fight, 'till they die, over what? Over lies and...

*Me...

Angels on the sideline again
Been so long with patience and reason
Angels on the sideline again
Wondering when this tug-of-war will end...

Cutting it all right in two.
Cutting our love right in two.
Cutting it all right in two, right in two...
Right in two...

(at 6:29 maynard says "Me"... listen)

miketh74
08-26-2007, 09:19 PM
Angels on the sideline,
Puzzled and amused.
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they're all confused...

Don't these talking monkeys know that
Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys,
where there's one you're bound to divide it...

Right in two...

Angels on the sideline,
Baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason.
And this is what they choose...
(and this is what they choose)

Monkey, killing monkey, killing monkey
Over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs,
They forge a blade,
And where there's one they're bound to divide it...

Right in two...
Right in two...

Monkey, killing monkey, killing monkey
Over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs, they make a club
And beat their brother down.

How they survive so misguided is a mystery.
Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability
to lift an eye to heaven conscious of his fleeting time here.

Cutting it all right in two.
Cutting our love right in two.
Cutting it all right in two.
Cutting our love right in two...


They fight, 'till they die
Over earth, over sky
They fight over love
Over blood, over air and light.
Over love, over sun, over blood
They fight, 'till they die, over what? Over lies and...

*Me...

Angels on the sideline again
Been so long with patience and reason
Angels on the sideline again
Wondering when this tug-of-war will end...

Cutting it all right in two.
Cutting our love right in two.
Cutting it all right in two, right in two...
Right in two...

(at 6:29 maynard says "Me"... listen)

I'm not hearing that....but what's your point anyway??

<Just wondering>

Brokenstring13
08-27-2007, 10:12 AM
If you can't hear "me", I'm not sure what to tell you.

The point would be: now it makes sense "to me" why he ends the "over lies" with an "AND"... Also, if he does say "me" it's the only time he mentions anything about himself besides what he sees. It may shed light on who he is using as a viewpoint.

Other changes have been made also. "Been so long" instead of "benched along", "benched along" making no sense to me, and I don't hear "picture love" at all. I am sure those that DO hear those things have a way it makes sense, but I have not been convinced thus far.

ikahari
08-28-2007, 09:30 PM
OKOK LISTEN BENCHEND ALONG WITH PATIENCE AND REASON it says angels on the sidelines ok think football field when the players are on the sideline they are benched so why cant it be benched along with....as if to say we have put them on the sidelines as if to forget about them altogether and act on irrational reasoning or no reasoning at all and grater thats a LIVE version how often has maynard changed lyrics live huh? all the time thats how often i rest my case

benjamin
08-29-2007, 08:45 AM
and listen CLOSELY im pretty sure it damn near dead on
Damn near.

"...how they'll survive.

benjamin
08-29-2007, 08:48 AM
silly 'ol monkeys...

benjamin
08-29-2007, 08:50 AM
to live tonight at heaven concious...

benjamin
08-29-2007, 08:52 AM
this tag of war...

benjamin
08-29-2007, 08:57 AM
Live versions prove only that you're capable of posting a nice little link... jesus, they're not a basis for interpreting lyrics!!!

NEVER!! EVER, EVER!!! infinity!!!

We're talking studio version or nothing. In fact, live versions do more to disprove anything you've said in the past than they do to help your case.

benjamin
08-29-2007, 09:11 AM
Cu - ut all right in two
Gottadivide all right in two
Cut'ndivide itall right in two
Gotta divide it all right in two
...
Con - fide all right in two
Cut'n d'vide itall right in two
Gotta divide it all right in two, right in two!

I (creator) must split (divide) the responsabilities of this reality (all) between two individuals (man and woman)
"Gotta divide it all right in two."


EDIT: having said all that, I still think that Nards "official" lyrics sheet simply says,
"Cut it all right in two."

...the world may never know.

Inner_Eulogy
08-29-2007, 09:24 AM
"Cuttin' our love, right in two"

benjamin
08-29-2007, 09:30 AM
"Cuttin' our love, right in two"What's the perspective for that?

PShepherd11
08-29-2007, 10:32 AM
I actually hear that some of the time. As well as "Cut it all right in two" sometimes and "Cutting my law right in two" sometimes (at different times in the song).

Inner_Eulogy
08-30-2007, 09:25 AM
What's the perspective for that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDQJEvE3Spc

Listen to it...you can clearly hear him say "cuttin' our love, right in two". Listen closely and you can hear the "V" sound...cuttin' our lo-ove, right in two". He also says "to lift an eye to heaven" I'm pretty sure.

PShepherd11
08-30-2007, 09:33 AM
I agree with Inner on both of those lines.

Inner, what about the "Benched along with..." line? What do you hear?

benjamin
08-31-2007, 10:02 AM
I'd like to know what your thoughts are on where the singer is coming from. ie: gods perspective, the angles', etc... It seems the song is sung third person, but the line "...our love, or my law." would be a first person lyric. Which "persons" perspective do you think it would be?

It's my feeling the perspective remains the same throughout the song, and the chorus goes, "cut it all right in two, gotta divide it all right in two,...yada yada..." always a third person naration.

"lift an eye to heaven" doesn't fit with the amount of T or D-sounds I hear in that part. Sounds like, "...lift an eye dat heaven..." to me, and what is lifting an eye da heaven anyway, I think if you're listening always on your pc you should change venues, doesn't matter what anyone says, even w/ the best 'phones, I don't think the pc is as good as stereo, in car or home.

Peace.



go browns

Inner_Eulogy
08-31-2007, 10:07 AM
I agree with Inner on both of those lines.

Inner, what about the "Benched along with..." line? What do you hear?

I'll have to listen again to that one, I'm at work so I don't want to make it too obvious that I wasn't working...lol But when I did hear it I couldn't quite tell, it was either "benched along" or "penchulant" but, I'm leaning towards "benched". I'll listen again during lunch.

Inner_Eulogy
08-31-2007, 10:27 AM
Ok, I listened again and I definately believe he says "benched along" which as people have said kind of fits with the angels being on the sideline theme.

Esurient4Truth
08-31-2007, 02:44 PM
CUT IT RIGHT IN ALL, RIGHT IN TWO!!!

Cheesegreater
08-31-2007, 03:57 PM
I wish the lyrics would come out for fucks sake.

Benjamin, I see you like to be the devil's advocate. In other words, ANY lyrics in question, you have to put the Benjamin spin on. "Live tonight at heaven." Saying "they'll" instead of "they." The list goes on. I know with some of us, it's this sense of pride that makes people go at each other's throats. I personally don't care what the lyrics are anymore, and it's a shame that Maynard didn't annunciate them properly. Everyone on this goddamn forum wants to be accredited for hearing that one syllable no one else could detect. All I know is that if you really let this get to you, you are positively ruining the song.

Never in my life have I heard someone say "Cut that apple right in all right in two." Onion, bell pepper, whatever the case may be, I've cut a lot of things right in two. All I really want to know, what does the phrase "Right in all." even mean? I have no doubt you can attach a meaning to it, after all, we seem to be pretty adept in doing that here at tdn.

But I have to say, this is about the most childish thread I've ever read here. Yes, I'm just as guilty as the rest, but have you thought about what we sound like?

"It's 'live tonight in heaven...'"

"No! It's 'LIVE TONIGHT AT HEAVEN!!!"

"You're so stupid!"

"No, I'm not!"

"Yes you ARE!"

"NO I'M NOT!!!"

"stupidpeoplesaywhat."

"What was that?"

"Haha, you're so stupid!"


First graders. That what it ends up devolving in to. Elementary shenanigans. I'll stop proposing my ideas on the lyrics if everyone else will. :) Let this thread die a cold and lonely death, so we can enjoy the song for once, instead rewinding the song 90 million times when it comes to the chorus. If I focus on two seconds of audio exclusively, I'm missing out on %99.98 of the song.

benjamin
08-31-2007, 06:31 PM
Everyone on this goddamn forum wants to be accredited for hearing that one syllable no one else could detect..This is what I truely can't stand, and I realize it may seem to be my motive too, but it's not, this is a pretty annonymous forum anyway, what "credit is there to be had? I understand what you're saying and agree, but I continue to use this thread as was intended

lol, for every post I've made here, I've thoroughly enjoyed the song for what it is, whithout contemplation or pause for...

Peace.

dirkz
08-31-2007, 06:59 PM
CUT IT RIGHT IN ALL, RIGHT IN TWO!!!

lol, does that make sense?

orcaloverbri9
09-03-2007, 08:07 PM
Um...

Benched along with patience and reason.

Sounds like it, makes sense, stop making up words that don't work so you can feel special. We don't need a Jambi pt. 2.

As for the chorus, I still say it's "Cu-ut it all right in two". All this "cutting thine all"/"cutting our love"/"cutting our law"/whatever is ridiculous. It doesn't fit and to me it doesn't sound like Maynard.

PShepherd11
09-04-2007, 05:53 AM
It doesn't matter much what others hear, I am stubborn and I still hear what I've heard from the beginning. I also don't care about proving others wrong. I just look at it like we're all sharing our perspectives on the lyrics and some are more adamant about it. There's no reason to get angry or be demeaning towards others because they don't agree with something, especially something as trivial as this. The lyrics I hear make sense to me, so what I hear will be correct to me.

Inner_Eulogy
09-04-2007, 08:23 AM
Um...

Benched along with patience and reason.

Sounds like it, makes sense, stop making up words that don't work so you can feel special. We don't need a Jambi pt. 2.

As for the chorus, I still say it's "Cu-ut it all right in two". All this "cutting thine all"/"cutting our love"/"cutting our law"/whatever is ridiculous. It doesn't fit and to me it doesn't sound like Maynard.

That's fine but, one day I'll be the one with the last laugh when the official lyrics come out and it says "cuttin' our love right in two". And it DOES make sense, if you can't see how that woudl at least make sense then you should request to re-enlist to 3rd grade.

dirkz
09-04-2007, 12:58 PM
Um...

Benched along with patience and reason.

Sounds like it, makes sense, stop making up words that don't work so you can feel special. We don't need a Jambi pt. 2.

As for the chorus, I still say it's "Cu-ut it all right in two". All this "cutting thine all"/"cutting our love"/"cutting our law"/whatever is ridiculous. It doesn't fit and to me it doesn't sound like Maynard.

You sir, are an ass.

orcaloverbri9
09-04-2007, 05:43 PM
You sir, are an ass.

Whatever you say.

Really, though, people insist on posting whatever they hear rather than what really makes sense, and it's ridiculous. Could I be wrong? Yeah. But I guarantee it's not "Been too long"/"been so long" - it's not even grammatically correct, in a song with a line like "Repugnant is the creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here".

You're entitled to your own belief (it is not, in point of fact, an opinion), but think it through first. If it's just, to quote someone several posts up, "a clusterfuck of words" without any real meaning, chances are it's wrong.

Also: I'm not getting angry, I just think people should think their interpretations through more before posting nonsense like "been so long with patience and reason" - that just makes no sense.

toolrox19
09-04-2007, 06:04 PM
^^^^^ dayum stright

dirkz
09-04-2007, 06:06 PM
It makes sense to them, and maybe your interpretation doesn't make sense to them.

I'll go back to my basic argument of - this is an opinion forum, so you telling people that they don't make sense is redundant. Does it affect you if they think it's "Been so long"? Hell no. IMO, you should follow your own advice and think your interpretation through before claiming it's better than others.

orcaloverbri9
09-04-2007, 10:10 PM
It makes sense to them
Assumption. Just because they said it, doesn't mean they've thought about it and decided it makes any sort of sense rather than just being a jumble of words that sounds similar to what they hear.

I'll go back to my basic argument of - this is an opinion forum, so you telling people that they don't make sense is redundant. Does it affect you if they think it's "Been so long"? Hell no. IMO, you should follow your own advice and think your interpretation through before claiming it's better than others.
...and you for some reason think I haven't thought about mine? It makes perfect sense, and I can't imagine a single argument against it. Also...if we all decided not to debate it, what the hell would be the point of this topic?

This isn't the first time I've seen this, and it shows a substantial lack of rational thought at the time of posting - I mean, this entire subforum is DEDICATED to discussion about WHAT HE'S SAYING. That means people are going to do exactly that. And yet we have people coming in here saying "it doesn't matter, stop arguing". Of course it doesn't matter! That's not why we're here, and if you're here to tell us to stop doing what this section exists for, well...you're an idiot. It's separated and if you don't want to read our arguing over what he's saying in the "What's He Saying" forum there are plenty of others with more meaningful discussions - perhaps you'd like to pay the douchebags over in the Reviews section a visit?

dirkz
09-05-2007, 01:21 PM
I'm not even going to argue with you anymore. If you think calling me a douchebag is a good way to argue, it's not even worth trying to debate in a civilized manner. There's a difference between debating and arguing.

Your opinion is not truth. No one's is. Apparently you can't see that.

parables in the world
09-05-2007, 02:02 PM
i'd laugh if he actually said all of what we thought of during the chorus....

miketh74
09-05-2007, 08:42 PM
Wow...I can't believe this is still progressing. If we all saw the 10,000 Days tour, there would be no arguing in here. I heard the song perfectly live. I'm not even jumping in this debate or whatever it is.

PShepherd11
09-06-2007, 06:00 AM
I did go to the show during the 10,000 Days tour, but they didn't play this song.

Why don't you tell us what you heard? Or are you that guy that said he knew what was being said and refused to tell us some time ago?

dirkz
09-06-2007, 01:00 PM
I went to a show, but was on the floor and the vocals were non-existent down there. I was really listening, but couldn't tell because the instruments just drowned everything out.

miketh74
09-06-2007, 07:15 PM
I did go to the show during the 10,000 Days tour, but they didn't play this song.

Why don't you tell us what you heard? Or are you that guy that said he knew what was being said and refused to tell us some time ago?

No, I'm not that guy. Sorry, should have posted what I heard.

Over the whole "benched" theory, I have to say that I DID NOT hear that. I concluded it's just "been so long with patience and reason".

But don't take my word for it. People hear different things and I find it rather interesting what they are. After all, "benched" certainly fits in, but Maynard left it out on the night I saw them.

By the way, the sound at the concert wasn't the best, but I could hear them fine out in the halls. Was waiting for my gal to piss while they played Right in Two, so I heard it perfectly. That was probably more info than you needed though....my apologies.

orcaloverbri9
09-07-2007, 05:42 AM
If you think calling me a douchebag is a good way to argue
I never called you a douchebag. I quite clearly said "some of the people in the Reviews forum."

There's a difference between debating and arguing.
That line is razor thin; it's easy to step on the wrong side without intending it.

Your opinion is not truth. No one's is. Apparently you can't see that.
Frankly, this is offensive. I have nothing but the utmost respect for the individual's right to have their own opinion, provided it is, in fact, a matter of opinion. Hell, the people I referred to as douchebags were so described for this very reason. Anyway, this isn't a matter of opinion. He's saying something, so some people are wrong, and some people (depending on what he says) may be right. There's no in-between in a case like this.

Look. I just think that people should think more about their interpretations. The other theories thus far sound like a jumble of words, and while some make more sense than others (making sense as in being actual English), few of them would fit in the song at all. I can't think of a single one that, lyrically (even if phonetically), fits in the song, other than the benched one.

toolrox19
09-07-2007, 07:50 PM
picture love, with patience and reason

dirkz
09-08-2007, 03:46 AM
I can't think of a single one that, lyrically (even if phonetically), fits in the song, other than the benched one.

picture love, with patience and reason

lawl

PShepherd11
09-08-2007, 06:44 AM
No, I'm not that guy. Sorry, should have posted what I heard.

No problem. :)

I really wish I were able to have heard this song live. Maybe they'll come back around and play it this time. I know that's really wishful thinking. :(

toolrox19
09-08-2007, 10:41 AM
lawl

lawl... meaning???

miketh74
09-08-2007, 11:31 AM
No problem. :)

I really wish I were able to have heard this song live. Maybe they'll come back around and play it this time. I know that's really wishful thinking. :(

Keep the faith alive.....

I don't think Tool will wait as long to put out another album, so.........I'm there with ya. <fingers crossed>

:)

nocatharsis
09-08-2007, 05:17 PM
Here's what I hear... I'll also upload a clip of that hard part edited so you can hear the vocals more easily (it's actually surprisingly better when you listen to it through speakers than headphones)

Fighting til they die, over earth, over sky
They fight and they'll lie over pride, over air and light
Over love, over sin, over blood
They fight, til they die, over ones, who are rising.

http://www.omgosh.com/fighting.mp3

your links dead. but THANK YOU! your interpretation fills in a lot of my blanks. Heres what I hear now:

funny, how they die
over herd
over sky they fight
and they'll lie over brother(?)
over air and light
over love over sun over blood
they fight til they die
over WANT for their rising

...what do you think?

Cheesegreater
09-09-2007, 09:10 AM
I heard this song live in Southaven, and I have to say I clearly heard "Picture love with patience and reason."

In sentence form, it makes a great sentence: Angels on the sideline again, picture love with patience and reason.

I also tend to agree with one of the above posters. We are entitled to our own opinions, however in the case of deciphering lyrics, there is a right and wrong. That's why we feel so adamant about our interpretations, some of us are indeed wrong.

The only line I've really been trying to drive home is "Angels on the sideline again, picture love with patience and reason." I just remember one day really trying to figure out that part out. It came in pieces. I was like "Okay, I hear the word picture. How does that make sense in the context of this sentence?" Once I pieced the whole line together, it hit me like a ton of fucking bricks. So, there you have the story behind why this line has been driving me mad.

:)

toolrox19
09-10-2007, 06:20 PM
cheeseyman i am right behind you its like only a few ppl hear the right one 'picture love w/patience and reason'

miketh74
09-10-2007, 06:42 PM
cheeseyman i am right behind you its like only a few ppl hear the right one 'picture love w/patience and reason'

It's funny, I can hear it both ways......I'm torn.

>O

Tool_Is_Sick
09-12-2007, 11:06 AM
I definately hear "Picture love with patience and reason."

Inner_Eulogy
09-12-2007, 01:21 PM
CUT IT RIGHT IN ALL, RIGHT IN TWO!!!

That doesn't even make sense. You speaka' english?

Inner_Eulogy
09-12-2007, 01:44 PM
Your opinion is not truth. No one's is. Apparently you can't see that.

My opinion is the all and everything and will forever be flawless. ;-)

Inner_Eulogy
09-12-2007, 01:45 PM
Wow...I can't believe this is still progressing. If we all saw the 10,000 Days tour, there would be no arguing in here. I heard the song perfectly live. I'm not even jumping in this debate or whatever it is.

I saw them twice during this tour..HA

Inner_Eulogy
09-12-2007, 01:48 PM
picture love, with patience and reason

Isn't that a rhetorical statement? Love IS having patience and reasoning. Not to mention if anybody took the time to listen to any live recordings of the song you would know it's "benched along"

gjamison27
09-12-2007, 01:50 PM
My opinion is the all and everything and will forever be flawless. ;-)

Nuh uh! Mine is!

Poo poo head!

So's your face!

I know I am but what are you!

I'm rubber glue!

Nanny nanny foo foo!

Bounce and stick to you!

I fling poo!

gjamison27
09-12-2007, 01:52 PM
Isn't that a rhetorical statement? Love IS having patience and reasoning. Not to mention if anybody took the time to listen to any live recordings of the song you would know it's "benched along"

My inner eulogy is correct.

On the sideline...

Benched along with...

Sports reference...

Game of life...

Oooo...Maynard said that Angels are "ridin' the pine"!

toolrox19
09-12-2007, 04:41 PM
Isn't that a rhetorical statement? Love IS having patience and reasoning. Not to mention if anybody took the time to listen to any live recordings of the song you would know it's "benched along"

the angles are refering to so called 'fake' love lacking both ot the above so they are tired of it and in their minds picturing love with paitence and reason

toolrox19
09-12-2007, 04:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLvrxEuni50 7:49

JERUSALEM
09-13-2007, 05:42 PM
this song could easily be about the holy war. If you think about it and are familiar with the biblical account of isaac and ishmael (spelling?) it goes back to those two splitting the holy nations each one's descendants believing they are the chosen ones of god. just an idea fuck if they are willing to fight this war over something as trivial as god they will fight over anything.

JERUSALEM
09-13-2007, 05:46 PM
what i mean is there are two nations involved hince..........right in two

dirkz
09-13-2007, 06:30 PM
if they are willing to fight this war over something as trivial as god they will fight over anything.

I highly doubt they see God as trivial.

Cheesegreater
09-13-2007, 09:18 PM
There's no such thing as a rhetorical statement, Inner. Rhetorical questions on the other hand are different.

You really shouldn't say that people who don't see it your way "obviously haven't listened to live versions." Listening to a few live versions cemented my belief it was "picture love with patience and reason."

That's neither here nor there. The fact is, someone's wrong. If it's me, fine. If it's you, fine.

The point is, everyone is in a little state of denial with the lyrics. Those who say it's benched along act as if it couldn't possibly be 'picture love,' and vice versa. The fact simple fact is, both could be right. After all, they're both the same amount of syllables. The line is under the influence of heavy distortion. The vocals are obviously not predominant in the mix. With all these factors in mind, it's absurd to act as if these lines couldn't be one OR the other.

I believe it's 'picture love,' others believe it's 'benched along.' That doesn't mean that I or the others have not listened to it closely enough, of enough times, it simply means that we've drawn different conclusions from the same material.

I still say it 'picture love' until my grave. ;)

Inner_Eulogy
09-14-2007, 09:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLvrxEuni50 7:49

All that video did was reaffirm my belief in "benched". Even if I turn out to be wrong, it just makes more sense than "picture love". I mean, why would you say you're "on the sideline again, picture love with patience and reason" I mean, those are like 2 totally different statements and ideas. It makes PERFECT sense though to say "on the sideline (like in football), BENCHED along with patience and reason". Basically saying the coach took patience and reason and sat them out the game on the sideline, then they sat the angels there right next to them. It's a metaphor. He's making a point like "how the fuck do you expect to win if you sat out all your star players"

HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT NOT MAKE SENSE TO YOU PEOPLE?!?

gjamison27
09-14-2007, 11:39 AM
Again, I have to agree with my inner eulogy. Been doing that too much lately, I don't want to die soon!

Anyway, benched just makes more sense from a lyrical stand point. Taken out of the context of the song and viewed simply as a poem, benched fits where as picture doesn't.

The angels are on the sideline (not playing), benched along with love and reason. Meaning love and reason aren't playing either. Meaning that the situation is absent of angels, love, and reason which is very bad. If the angels aren't playing, why would I picture love and reason? I'm more concerned with why the heck the angels aren't playing and it is catostrophic if love and reason aren't playing either.

Without these 3 in the game, I guess I'd just use my thumbs to forge and blade and start beatin fools down yo!

Father gave us free will and now we're all confused. Wait...what?

Inner_Eulogy
09-14-2007, 11:49 AM
Again, I have to agree with my inner eulogy. Been doing that too much lately, I don't want to die soon!

Anyway, benched just makes more sense from a lyrical stand point. Taken out of the context of the song and viewed simply as a poem, benched fits where as picture doesn't.

The angels are on the sideline (not playing), benched along with love and reason. Meaning love and reason aren't playing either. Meaning that the situation is absent of angels, love, and reason which is very bad. If the angels aren't playing, why would I picture love and reason? I'm more concerned with why the heck the angels aren't playing and it is catostrophic if love and reason aren't playing either.

Without these 3 in the game, I guess I'd just use my thumbs to forge and blade and start beatin fools down yo!

Father gave us free will and now we're all confused. Wait...what?

Exactly.....wait a minute, isn't that exactly what I just said but reworded???

gjamison27
09-14-2007, 12:09 PM
Yes it is!

I am incapable of original thought and I also have an addiction to blatent plagiarism so...

I just figured they weren't getting it after I already said what you said I said in the beginning...or was it the end of the middle...

Inner_Eulogy
09-14-2007, 12:53 PM
Yes it is!

I am incapable of original thought and I also have an addiction to blatent plagiarism so...

I just figured they weren't getting it after I already said what you said I said in the beginning...or was it the end of the middle...

LMAO! I concur, whatever the hell....

gjamison27
09-14-2007, 12:56 PM
And while we're at it, Chicago really is a beautiful city.

The Sears tower is quite impressive.

Tall and phallic.

Like Tool.

toolrox19
09-14-2007, 04:13 PM
All that video did was reaffirm my belief in "benched". Even if I turn out to be wrong, it just makes more sense than "picture love". I mean, why would you say you're "on the sideline again, picture love with patience and reason" I mean, those are like 2 totally different statements and ideas. It makes PERFECT sense though to say "on the sideline (like in football), BENCHED along with patience and reason". Basically saying the coach took patience and reason and sat them out the game on the sideline, then they sat the angels there right next to them. It's a metaphor. He's making a point like "how the fuck do you expect to win if you sat out all your star players"

HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT NOT MAKE SENSE TO YOU PEOPLE?!?



does anyone else, other than the few who are with me on the lyrics, know about tool writing in metephors sidelines could stand for somthing else and i really dont see how benched along with patience and reason makes sense it needs to be refering to somthing in the same sentence or mor distingushed so picture love is just better IMO

ikahari
09-14-2007, 05:14 PM
im sticking with benched i just dont see picture at all making sense i cant wait till official lyrics come out sheesh

miketh74
09-14-2007, 09:24 PM
Anyone still think it's "been so long with patience and reason"?

LMAO!! I gotta try and keep this going......

At this point, everyone's gonna disagree with that.

PShepherd11
09-15-2007, 05:07 AM
I'm actually glad this debate is still going on. Now I don't really care much anymore what the lyrics really are. It will be "benched along" to me, always. I'm not so adamant about finding out what all the lyrics are to any song because no one will know for sure. It makes no difference, we're all so stubborn.

miketh74
09-15-2007, 08:02 AM
I'm actually glad this debate is still going on. Now I don't really care much anymore what the lyrics really are. It will be "benched along" to me, always. I'm not so adamant about finding out what all the lyrics are to any song because no one will know for sure. It makes no difference, we're all so stubborn.

LMAO....this is true. My thoughts exactly.

:)

Cheesegreater
09-16-2007, 11:31 AM
This really cracks me up guys. Every time I come in here I get a good laugh.

Anyway, Inner, I know you're pretty adamant. Here's the thing I am to. Now the person who most adamant has nothing to do with what the lyrics come out to be in the end.

Also the logic you're using isn't entirely flawless. You seem to think that since the opening clause is "Angels on the sideline again," the following prepositional statement HAS to be about sports because the word sideline is mentioned. THINK about that for a minute.

For instance, I can be enjoying a cup of coffee and picturing something that has fuck all to do with that cup of coffee. "Angels on the sideline again, picture love with patience and reason."

Okay, for you sports fans out there: The angels are picturing the strategy that we need to use in order to end this 'tug of war.'

Oh well, I've made my case clear.

benjamin
09-17-2007, 09:09 AM
This is such a non-issue. God benched the angels, and in doing so also benched their immortality and their knowledge of the "divine truth" of reality.

.

Inner_Eulogy
09-17-2007, 09:11 AM
This really cracks me up guys. Every time I come in here I get a good laugh.

Anyway, Inner, I know you're pretty adamant. Here's the thing I am to. Now the person who most adamant has nothing to do with what the lyrics come out to be in the end.

Also the logic you're using isn't entirely flawless. You seem to think that since the opening clause is "Angels on the sideline again," the following prepositional statement HAS to be about sports because the word sideline is mentioned. THINK about that for a minute.

For instance, I can be enjoying a cup of coffee and picturing something that has fuck all to do with that cup of coffee. "Angels on the sideline again, picture love with patience and reason."

Okay, for you sports fans out there: The angels are picturing the strategy that we need to use in order to end this 'tug of war.'

Oh well, I've made my case clear.

....not really....

dirkz
09-17-2007, 03:54 PM
lol

miketh74
09-17-2007, 04:25 PM
Spiral out......KEEP this thread GOING....

LMAO!!

:)

RiseToYourHalo
09-21-2007, 05:49 PM
I think the lyrics can be ‘benched along’ AND ‘picture love’, depending on the perspective or perception you choose.

From an ego perspective, the ‘angels in the hearts of men’ are surely benched, along with patience and reason (Vicarious lyrics).

From a perception of Unity, ascended angels are certainly picturing us (Love) with patience and reason.

Maynard refers to this perception of Unity in 10,000 Days when he sings:

Set as I am in my ways and my arrogance
Burden of proof tossed upon the believers
You were my witness, my eyes, my evidence
Judith Marie, unconditional one


Judith is ‘picturing’ (or seeing) Maynard’s holiness, even as he denies it himself and fights his own internal battles.

Ascended angels have no ego and witness the world with a Unified Mind. Any ego concept of separation or duality (two sides) would be inconceivable.

They are eternal and beyond time (been too long).

They would not be uncertain (puzzled, baffled, confused) because they see the bigger picture.

And they are never inactive (sidelined, benched).

They would definitely not be entertained (amused) by our state of war.

In every moment, ascended angels picture (or intentionally see) our divinity (Love) while we divide and cut it in two to play tug of war with ourselves and ‘others’.

Our monkey mind (ego) and angel mind (divinity) are IN TENSION in the game of two sides.

Choose to bench your inner angel to the sidelines and then 'wonder' when division and war will end,

Or, choose to lift an eye to Heaven and play in the holy garden as One.

cade_nce
09-23-2007, 08:06 AM
Holy shit, I can't believe I'm posting here.

So this is my first real post on this board ever. I posted a few on the tour threads for shows I went to, but never on the main board. Anyway, hello all!

I've been lurking for a while, and the Right in Two lyrics thread kind of compelled me to post. There have been some great suggestions on here for my personal lyrics I've compiled, and...well..some shit too. But that's par for the course.

I should also add that what prompted me to post was that I'm a little high right now and thought it funny that one of the clearest lyrics to me on this song has not been said by anybody on this board, at least as far as I can tell. I'm high, so if I ramble a bit, I apologize in advance :).

I also apologize if this has been said before, but I've checked this thread for many months and I don't think it has. If it has, please say so.

Let me just start out by saying that I am all for personal exploration and personal interpretation of songs and Maynard's lyrics. But I think that one of the things plaguing any growth in terms of discovering these lyrics is a kind of over-bias that some bring as to what they want the lyrics to be. I guess that's normal, but still, it seems like it is stifling any progress here, at least until the 'nard releases these lyrics. Also, after seeing some of the harshness on some sections of the board, I hope that nobody takes personal offense when I criticize some of the suggestions made about the lyrics here.

Aiight? Aiight.

I am most concerned with the "chorus" and of course, the "Fight..." section. It feels strange "defending" these things, and "putting my cards on the table" regarding lyrics of a rock band, but hey, whatever :).

After listening to the youtube recordings (there are only like 4 complete RiT videos on there), I am about as sure as I can be that Maynard is saying "Cutting our love right in two." At first I hated that lyric, but I've grown to see it's beauty in relation to the song. I could be wrong, of course, but in my mind it's pretty set in stone.

I am here to talk about the Fight breakdown. Here's what I did:

I listened to those youtube clips, and I took one and tried to figure out the lyrics on it. I believe that I used this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLvrxEuni50

and another for the second line of this section (forgot which video).

But I took that one and deciphered that section nearly completely. It is about as sure as one can get. Now, obviously, Maynard changes his lyrics around live, especially during those sections of songs where he rattles off a list of various things (like in 46&2 and Aenema), and RiT is no different. Whether it's because he forgets them or likes some new variation, who knows. What I'm trying to say is that while they are different, figuring out his different live lyrics can definitely help inform the album lyrics.

Here are the ones I found live. And they make a motherload of sense:

"Fight til they die over sun, over sky.
They fight til they die over ground, over sea.

[NOTE: I don't think, for the second line, he is saying this on the version linked to above, but it was clear as day on the other video I cannot find right now. In any case, it gives an idea of what he's conceptualizing.]

They fight til they die over blood, over love.
They fight til they die over war, over lies and greed.

Cutting our love right in two"

I'd mentioned a line I thought completely obvious above, and it is the last of that part, "They fight til they die over war, over lies and greed." I have heard that since mid-2006, and it makes complete sense, much more than anything involving writing or whatever has been said on the board.

So I used these lines and looked at RiT on the album in a new light. Maynard seems to categorize what humans fight over in certain general areas of existence.

The first is over the sky and the "heavens", hence sun and sky. The second is over the ground, or our resources, hence ground and sea. The third is over our personal relationships, so blood and love. Finally, the large scale travesties of human existence: war, lies and greed.

Here is what I've deciphered on the album version so far. What I'm unsure of, I've placed a question mark after, and some of these are guesses when I can make them, others are "phonetic" guesses that I hear, but cannot discern what he's talking about:

"[They] fight til they die over wind?, over sky.

They fight over light, over prayer, over '-ell???' and 'might???...' [like power]
OR
They fight over light, over prayer, over '-ell???' and 'fight???...'

...over love, over sin, over blood.

They fight til they die over wars, over lies and greed."

The only difference here on the last line is that "wars" is plural.

Thoughts? Obviously some of this is wrong and can be tweaked, but I think it much more along the right track than previous suggestions. I'd love to hear some input!

Cheesegreater
09-23-2007, 09:55 AM
Man, that was a great post. I don't have to agree with your interpretation to see eye to eye with what you were saying about people's 'over-bias.'

Like you said, a lot of people are making up the lyrics they want to hear. Now, if I end up being wrong with my interpretation, that's fine, and you can bet your ass I'll adjust to the corrected version of the lyrics. A lot of people here won't.

For instance, a lot of people want to hear 'live tonight AT heaven' and it wouldn't matter if Maynard himself told them it was 'lift an eye to heaven,' they'd still choose to hear what they want to hear.

I really liked the post though, makes a lot of sense. ;)

Cheesegreater
09-23-2007, 10:02 AM
....not really....

Damn, I let this slide for a few days, but decided you're just being difficult.

I made my case DAMN clear, and anyone can see that. What you meant to say is: "Aaron, I see what you're saying, but I still disagree with you."

Sorry, I had to say something. People on this thread like to act like others ideas don't make any sense. That's really pretty absurd. I may not think the lyric is 'benched along,' but I could never say it doesn't make sense.

cade_nce
09-23-2007, 11:55 AM
Man, that was a great post. I don't have to agree with your interpretation to see eye to eye with what you were saying about people's 'over-bias.'

Like you said, a lot of people are making up the lyrics they want to hear. Now, if I end up being wrong with my interpretation, that's fine, and you can bet your ass I'll adjust to the corrected version of the lyrics. A lot of people here won't.

For instance, a lot of people want to hear 'live tonight AT heaven' and it wouldn't matter if Maynard himself told them it was 'lift an eye to heaven,' they'd still choose to hear what they want to hear.

I really liked the post though, makes a lot of sense. ;)

Thanks for the input, CG, much appreciated. Definitely encouraging me to post on the other areas of this board. Fucking hell, here comes another message board to lose precious hours of my life over.

I just don't see how people get bent out of shape over something where you have to make educated guesses about something where there is a definite right and wrong as to the answer. I think it's the whole internet anonymity thing that people are still getting used to. Or maybe I'm just still spaced out and in less of a 10000 Days mood and more of a Lateralus mood. Fuck it.

I obviously have my own biases, which I hope are sufficiently out in the air enough. Anyway, I hope that post stimulates some new thoughts on the lyrics. Not looking for confirmation or rejection, but some well thought arguments as to why the lyrics are this or that (and hopefully avoiding some of the very "out there" reaching that I've seen sometimes).

cade_nce
09-23-2007, 12:14 PM
Oh, and CG, after looking at the whole debate over "picture love" and "benched along", while you're certainly right that Maynard isn't adverse to mixing his metaphors in his lyrics (he does it all the time, and frightfully so on his APC ish!), from my ears at least, I think that he is keeping that one consistent with "benched along."

Like you said, you can make a case for both. But if you take a listen at that same youtube link, whatever he says at the start of that line (benched or picture) is still a bit ambiguous, but it is more clear to my ears that he's saying "along".

But in any case, I'm sure you guys have been creating arguments for 26 pages now and have exhausted the subject, so I won't belabor the point, lol. But I do agree with you on "lift an eye to heaven". Just my two cents.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT, discuss, my droogies.

Inner_Eulogy
09-26-2007, 09:12 AM
the angles are refering to so called 'fake' love lacking both ot the above so they are tired of it and in their minds picturing love with paitence and reason

Now are we talking about right angles here or what? 90 degree? 60 degree?

Inner_Eulogy
09-26-2007, 09:13 AM
There's no such thing as a rhetorical statement, Inner. Rhetorical questions on the other hand are different.

Whatever dude, it sounded good to me.

Inner_Eulogy
09-26-2007, 09:18 AM
This really cracks me up guys. Every time I come in here I get a good laugh.

Anyway, Inner, I know you're pretty adamant. Here's the thing I am to. Now the person who most adamant has nothing to do with what the lyrics come out to be in the end.

Also the logic you're using isn't entirely flawless. You seem to think that since the opening clause is "Angels on the sideline again," the following prepositional statement HAS to be about sports because the word sideline is mentioned. THINK about that for a minute.

For instance, I can be enjoying a cup of coffee and picturing something that has fuck all to do with that cup of coffee. "Angels on the sideline again, picture love with patience and reason."

Okay, for you sports fans out there: The angels are picturing the strategy that we need to use in order to end this 'tug of war.'

Oh well, I've made my case clear.

Well, I was joking about being flawless...in case you didn't catch that. Secondly, I never implied that it HAS to be sports related. I mean when I hear it I don't think about sports, but the analogy is definately there.

And if you wanna put it that way, it wouldn't be the angels thinking through the gameplan/strategy...it would be the coach or GOD aka BOB. He would be the one thinking over the nickel defense or blitzing. But screw it, there's no logic to it because he BENCHED all his star players....you silly monkeys

Inner_Eulogy
09-26-2007, 09:21 AM
After listening to the youtube recordings (there are only like 4 complete RiT videos on there), I am about as sure as I can be that Maynard is saying "Cutting our love right in two." At first I hated that lyric, but I've grown to see it's beauty in relation to the song. I could be wrong, of course, but in my mind it's pretty set in stone.

HA! I been screaming that since day one

Inner_Eulogy
09-26-2007, 09:24 AM
Oh, and CG, after looking at the whole debate over "picture love" and "benched along", while you're certainly right that Maynard isn't adverse to mixing his metaphors in his lyrics (he does it all the time, and frightfully so on his APC ish!), from my ears at least, I think that he is keeping that one consistent with "benched along."

Like you said, you can make a case for both. But if you take a listen at that same youtube link, whatever he says at the start of that line (benched or picture) is still a bit ambiguous, but it is more clear to my ears that he's saying "along".

But in any case, I'm sure you guys have been creating arguments for 26 pages now and have exhausted the subject, so I won't belabor the point, lol. But I do agree with you on "lift an eye to heaven". Just my two cents.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT, discuss, my droogies.

Bingo, right and right again...I'm starting to like this guy

ikahari
09-26-2007, 07:22 PM
This really cracks me up guys. Every time I come in here I get a good laugh.

Anyway, Inner, I know you're pretty adamant. Here's the thing I am to. Now the person who most adamant has nothing to do with what the lyrics come out to be in the end.

Also the logic you're using isn't entirely flawless. You seem to think that since the opening clause is "Angels on the sideline again," the following prepositional statement HAS to be about sports because the word sideline is mentioned. THINK about that for a minute.

For instance, I can be enjoying a cup of coffee and picturing something that has fuck all to do with that cup of coffee. "Angels on the sideline again, picture love with patience and reason."

Okay, for you sports fans out there: The angels are picturing the strategy that we need to use in order to end this 'tug of war.'

Oh well, I've made my case clear.

ill give u credit grater you hypothesis makes sense im not trying to be an asshole and start a flame war BUT im stick with my opinion of benched lol kudo 2 u bro

cade_nce
09-26-2007, 11:12 PM
ill give u credit grater you hypothesis makes sense im not trying to be an asshole and start a flame war BUT im stick with my opinion of benched lol kudo 2 u bro

...Henh.

Now that that's is not settled...Any thoughts on Fight til they die? Or shall we call it a day and give into the illusion that Maynard has the power of speaking multiple words at the same time?

By the way, I'm really glad that the 'nard tried out "monkey" lyrics on A Perfect Circle before he did them with Tool:

"Someone feed the monkey while I dig in search of China/White as Dracula as I approach the bottom"

Ouch. Everyone fucks up sometimes...