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ArizonaBay
05-03-2006, 08:53 AM
Alchemy, kabballa and Hermetics- favourite topics of Tools
Spark becomes the flame flame becomes the fire- http://www.levity.com/alchemy/secret-fire.html
In the vast majority of humanity, this Secret Fire, or liberating energy of self-consciousness, lies dormant, asleep at the base of the spine, coiled like a serpent. Only a small amount manages to escape, reaching a sepherothic level, or so-called chakra, thus creating a loci of consciousness for each person. If it reaches the top of the skull, and beyond, a spiritual awakening can occur, allowing for a descent and re-ascent of the energy, during which the psychic centers can be awakened allowing for the manifestation of psychic powers and related phenomena.
The Secret Fire ascends as a result of a temporary weakening of the Vital Energy in the physical body. This is why so many spiritual awakenings take place under great physical stress, times of illness, or near-death-experiences. When the Secret Fire will ascend through the various psychic-physical currents causing it to be enveloped in a sphere of luminous light.
The experiencing of the Secret Fire, as a result of the suppression of the physical body’s Vital Energy, can create condition which manifests in various forms:
-Some perceive the bright light as an angel, their Higher Self, or “Holy Guardian Angel”, others as a spiritual teacher.
Explains most of the album methinks
T-13h
05-03-2006, 09:04 AM
That's a pretty straight forward article. Nice.
epinephrine_redux
05-03-2006, 09:05 AM
You're definately on to something. Perhaps the "stone" they speak of is the "Philosopher's Stone", the means to all man's ends. Makes sense given the lyrics of "Right In Two".
Edit: read this. http://www.quackgrass.com/stone.html
ArizonaBay
05-03-2006, 09:55 AM
You're definately on to something. Perhaps the "stone" they speak of is the "Philosopher's Stone", the means to all man's ends. Makes sense given the lyrics of "Right In Two".
Edit: read this. http://www.quackgrass.com/stone.html
Yeah stone is mentioned in the first article too later on - I also wondered whether whether the Masons cornerstone (as mentioned on The Grudge) and the Philosophers Stone are the same thing.
T-13h
05-03-2006, 10:01 AM
"With values solidly rooted in life, the universal means is absurdly easy to identify. It is life! Absent the action of some living organism, the things in the universe would exist, but they would not be values. Each organism's actions are the means to all its values; it is those actions which make a thing a value. An organism's ends extend precisely as far as those means. An organism's living action is the fully adequate means to all its ends: its life is its universal means."
I don't know about some of the conclusions in that second link, but I think this is worth quoting here.
epinephrine_redux
05-03-2006, 10:33 AM
"But forth from the fourfold fire, up from the altar of the ages, springs the Liberated One, the Flame. Back to the fire of Cosmos springs the dual flame. Into the Three is absorbed the essence, and becomes one with its Source. The Spark becomes the Flame, the Flame becomes the Fire, and forms part of the great Cosmic blaze that holds the secret of the Five hidden within the heart."
ArizonaBay
05-03-2006, 02:52 PM
Awesome where is that from? ^^^
The Rays and the Initiations ---- I not going to even pretend i know what the hell this is
Dr. Jake Destructo
05-03-2006, 05:29 PM
Wow, good stuff there.
epinephrine_redux
05-03-2006, 08:11 PM
Awesome where is that from? ^^^
The Rays and the Initiations ---- I not going to even pretend i know what the hell this is
Yeah, I have no fucking idea either. Just doing my part in this esoteric brainstorm we've got going on here. I read the context (these things are very difficult to understand without guidance) and it's safe to say that I have no clue what's going on or what the secret of the "Five hidden within the Heart" is. Maybe someone could shed some light on this?
epinephrine_redux
05-03-2006, 08:18 PM
"Fire, the inner fire,
is the most potent of all force,
for it overcomethall things and
penetrates to all things of the Earth.
Man supports himself only on that which resists.
So Earth must resist man else he existeth not."
--Emerald Tablet III of the Thoth Tablet
Dr. Jake Destructo
05-03-2006, 08:54 PM
So is this secret fire thing just a real powerful chakra or what?
ArizonaBay
05-04-2006, 05:46 AM
http://www.hermetics.org/secretfire1.html
More stuff on secret fire
For some reason my similar thread on the album theme on the main page has been removed, but the crappy miserable "The Album Has No Theme" remains. Seems people prefer blind cynicism to thinking.
epinephrine_redux
05-04-2006, 07:58 AM
http://www.hermetics.org/secretfire1.html
More stuff on secret fire
For some reason my similar thread on the album theme on the main page has been removed, but the crappy miserable "The Album Has No Theme" remains. Seems people prefer blind cynicism to thinking.
Nice link. Blind cynicism abides on these boards just about as much as The DUDE.
ArizonaBay
05-04-2006, 04:44 PM
Nice link. Blind cynicism abides on these boards just about as much as The DUDE.
lol Ive got no tv what else am i supposed to do when there's noone around..?
Does anyone know of any good books on the history of alchemy, preferably from a objective point of view?
Ahhh got a good link...
http://www.alchemylab.com/history_of_alchemy.htm
ArizonaBay
05-07-2006, 06:31 PM
Ill post this here-- dunno who this women is, her face annoys me on the website, but the guy talking is Timothy Freke author of the Jesus Mysteries-- So a nice listen about Gnostism :)
http://www.lauralee.com/audio/asx/111501.asx
http://www.lauralee.com/audio/asx/111601.asx
Listen if you have the time... lots about two becoming one
groanoftedium
05-09-2006, 07:37 PM
In the vast majority of humanity, this Secret Fire, or liberating energy of self-consciousness, lies dormant, asleep at the base of the spine, coiled like a serpent. Only a small amount manages to escape, reaching a sepherothic level, or so-called chakra, thus creating a loci of consciousness for each person. If it reaches the top of the skull, and beyond, a spiritual awakening can occur, allowing for a descent and re-ascent of the energy, during which the psychic centers can be awakened allowing for the manifestation of psychic powers and related phenomena.
this would explain the piece of inner album art that shows the serpent flame extending from the chakra of the human body... it made a lot of sense after you posted this info
ArizonaBay
05-14-2006, 06:12 AM
In the vast majority of humanity, this Secret Fire, or liberating energy of self-consciousness, lies dormant, asleep at the base of the spine, coiled like a serpent. Only a small amount manages to escape, reaching a sepherothic level, or so-called chakra, thus creating a loci of consciousness for each person. If it reaches the top of the skull, and beyond, a spiritual awakening can occur, allowing for a descent and re-ascent of the energy, during which the psychic centers can be awakened allowing for the manifestation of psychic powers and related phenomena.
Apparently this was one of the practices addmited by the Knights Templar under torture. This was the significance of the kiss on the ass that was part of their initiation.
astraka
06-09-2006, 02:11 PM
[Does anyone know of any good books on the history of alchemy, preferably from a objective point of view?]l
Maybe you should read "Psychology & Alchemy" from C-G Jung and "Alchemy" from his wife, M-L von Franz, including a comment of the emerald tablet text. Jung's views on life and human evolution have obviously been a major influence on Tool's lyrics, as well as his views on alchemy...
Have fun...
ArizonaBay
06-13-2006, 12:22 PM
^^ Thanks will do
Pancthulhu
06-17-2006, 08:47 AM
From a wikipedia entry on Kundalini:
'Kundalini (कुंडलिनी, Kuṇḍalinī) is a Sanskrit word meaning either "coiled up" or "coiling like a snake." There are a number of other translations of the term usually emphasizing a more serpent nature to the word— e.g. 'serpent power'. The caduceus symbol of coiling snakes is thought to be an ancient symbolic representation of Kundalini physiology.
The concept of Kundalini comes from yogic philosophy of ancient India and refers to the mothering intelligence behind yogic awakening and spiritual maturation (Sovatsky, 1998). It might be regarded by yogis as a sort of deity, hence the occasional capitalization of the term. Within a western frame of understanding it is often associated with the practice of contemplative or religious practices that might induce an altered state of consciousness, either brought about spontaneously, through a type of yoga, through psychedelic drugs, or through a near-death experience.
According to the yogic tradition Kundalini is curled up in the back part of the root chakra in three and one-half turns around the sacrum. Yogic phenomenology states that kundalini awakening is associated with the appearance of bio-energetic phenomena that are said to be experienced somatically by the yogi. This appearance is also referred to as "pranic awakening". Prana is interpreted as the vital, life-sustaining force in the body. Uplifted, or intensified life-energy is called pranotthana and is supposed to originate from an apparent reservoir of subtle bio-energy at the base of the spine. This energy is also interpreted as a vibrational phenomena that initiates a period, or a process of vibrational spiritual development.'
And, interestingly:
'Contemporary spiritual literature often notes that the chakras, as described in the esoteric kundalini documents, bear a strong similarity in location and number to the major endocrine glands, as well as nerve bundles called ganglions. One speculation is that the traditional practices have formalized a method for stimulating the endocrine glands to work in a different mode which has a more direct effect on consciousness, perhaps ultimately by stimulating the release of DMT by the pineal gland, which may be analogous to the 'pineal chakra''
Perhaps DMT (which is stored in the brain) is the alchemists' 'fire'?
I'm sure Blair wrote an article on something similar to this in Sub Rosa magazine. I'll try to find the link.
EDIT - Aha, here it is: http://subrosa.dailygrail.com/download.html
Issue two - see the article on Crowley, DMT and Magick.
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